FJR 1300 vs ST 1300 annual sales numbers

[jwg122843]

Just curious as to how these two bikes compare in units of sales.  Which one is the more popular bike?

[Flyer]

I've not seen any sales figures, but I wave at lots more FJRs than STs.  

[Ant]

I've not seen any sales figures, but I wave at lots more FJRs than STs.  

Elitist pig  
I must say that I see more FJRs as well...

[Gsam]

ST1300's here in south carolina, the state troopers are on them everywhere.

[Pelagic]

I've not seen any sales figures, but I wave at lots more FJRs than STs.  

AND I see a LOT more used FJR's For-Sale in the Classifieds.   That MUST mean that ST owners are happier with their purchases, ... right?
 

[mxvet57]

ST1300's here in south carolina, the state troopers are on them everywhere.

but can they catch an FJR?

[Drew]

but can they catch an FJR?

The Motorola can...

Drew

[atadaskew]

I see lots more FJRs on the road than ST13s

[Nitro]

I have sold more fjr's than st's....

[Baz]

I can tell you that we have a Honda & Yamaha dealer in my town (Next door to each other) While an ST 1300 sits forever on the Honda side, FJR's are snatched up a day or two after they get put out on the floor here.

I am sure a sales guy could get his hands on that data for US sales.

[squeezer]

My local Honda/Yamaha/Suzuki dealer -- where I bought my FJR -- won't even put ST's on the floor. He says they can't sell them.

[county]

I see lots more FJRs on the road than ST13s

Yep, it's an aging demographic.

[DogBoy]

As you have seen by the replies, no one outside of Honda or Yamaha has access to the sales numbers for these models. Unless you had access to a database of registration of new bikes (in every state, province, country), there is really no way to get an accurate answer.

[ol Rocket]

I've read that STs (Pan European) are much more popular on the other side of the pond than here.  My guess is that the FJR in the US is marketed more toward the SPORT side of things, even though the ST is a wonderful platform.  And I think there's some confusion with Honda's marketing of the Gold Wing and non-marketing of the ST.

Just my opinion.

[Baz]

As you have seen by the replies, no one outside of Honda or Yamaha has access to the sales numbers for these models. Unless you had access to a database of registration of new bikes (in every state, province, country), there is really no way to get an accurate answer.

Most manufacturers of anything have a 3rd party that tracks market share for them all. You report your monthly sales to the agency, they report your market share back. (A sale is reported once an invoice is generated).

For instance, the agency will tell Honda what their market share was last month in the Sport Touring segment, but it will not tell them what Yamaha or Kawasaki's market share was for that same segment. (Honda would have to guess) It is all done confidentially with all parties agreeing on the same standards to report sales.

In my last job, we used this tool a great deal for forecasting business down the road, or as a look at how healthy your present business is. For example if you suffered a really terrible sales month, but your market share did not move, you could come to the conclusion that business is bad all over, and dismiss the notion that your competitor was gaining on you.

[rodm850g]

Guys,
Before I retired from the motorcycle business we sold a few STs and a few FJR's they are above the average price point most younger riders can or are willing to tolerate....In Jan of 04 I ordered an A model
for myself....I had my reasons and have put them online here before, they are more than a few. Both bikes have their merits , strenghts and weaknesses.  Numbers being what they are ccan be helpful and can bemanipulated for different reasons ...however in the Fall of 04 there was a recall campaign...imagine that mother Honda with a recall, at any rate the recall notice I received detailed that there were about 4400 some STs world wide. At about this time to get a FJR one had to come in and place a $500 dollar minimum deposit on one to get it made, and that is how they were done til last year the first year Yamaha made the FJR a bike for open ordering status.
Many dealers sent in deposits, in possibly ficticious names to get them into their show rooms. The FJR was a lower priced bike, higher horsepower,longer service interval motorcycle...but track one against the opposing Honda on the N.A.D.A. book for several years..and financially it is better than thhe Yamaha.....holds value higher,longer....
For me again, Honda has supported the ST line since 1991.....look back in time those of you who can remember that far back...what was available from Yamaha and what was available from Honda...ok so its like a nit pick reason but lonjevity means part availability will be better over the long haul for a brand....other than that lil factor....the Yamaha may have been better..but I was and am still interested in longer hauls than short hauls . Having a freind with a FJR we used to ride longer distances...I felt refreshed at the end of a ride unlike my partner.....Heres hopingYamaha continues the line as long as Honda has the ST.....I would like a 25k mile service interval....17-18k will do....and if I feel I need plugs they are easily accessed by removing two lil ploastic covers....tank removal not necessary,and if my battery is in need of service 3 small allen heads and I'm there ....like I said many reasons....pro and con.......... I still have my 04and prolly will for a long time......and my friend may have  his FJR.....hell Yamaha could drop it like they have dropped so many since 91....
Rodm850g

[GoneRacin]

St1100 and ST1300 are completely differnt anumals, So you cant really conncect then as far as part availability go. They are both 44s but completely different

I like the ST1300 adn the FJR1300/ I rode to daytona with my brother inlaw on his ST1300. Seemed very capable. I am still sticking with my FJR, I like the sportier feel adn the inline 4 rush when you roll the throttle. Dont care for the belt sqweek of the st line either. But both the 1300s are great bike. I see just as many if not more ST for sale on craigslist as I do FJRs. Maybe more.

[DogBoy]

Most manufacturers of anything have a 3rd party that tracks market share for them all. You report your monthly sales to the agency, they report your market share back. (A sale is reported once an invoice is generated).

For instance, the agency will tell Honda what their market share was last month in the Sport Touring segment, but it will not tell them what Yamaha or Kawasaki's market share was for that same segment. (Honda would have to guess) It is all done confidentially with all parties agreeing on the same standards to report sales.

In my last job, we used this tool a great deal for forecasting business down the road, or as a look at how healthy your present business is. For example if you suffered a really terrible sales month, but your market share did not move, you could come to the conclusion that business is bad all over, and dismiss the notion that your competitor was gaining on you.

My point was that the general public in the US doesn't have access to sales numbers for individual models of motorcycles. if we do, I've never seen anyone publish them. There is an industry newsletter that will publish overall sales per manufacturer but not individual models. I think the auto manufacturers distribute information on sales by model but this is not the case for motorcycles AFAIK.

The UK magazines often discuss sales figures of specific models which they can gather from statistics on new bike registrations. Can the general public access information on new motorcycle registrations in Canada?

[2RR2NV]

i see a buttload more FJRs here than STs, but still nothing compared to the complete beehive populous of HD's. can't ride in any direction without seeing one....unlessssssss.... you head out to Wyoming.  it's soo open that you don't see any out there cause then the riders would have to walk so far to get help.









   jk

[Baz]

My point was that the general public in the US doesn't have access to sales numbers for individual models of motorcycles. if we do, I've never seen anyone publish them. There is an industry newsletter that will publish overall sales per manufacturer but not individual models. I think the auto manufacturers distribute information on sales by model but this is not the case for motorcycles AFAIK.

The UK magazines often discuss sales figures of specific models which they can gather from statistics on new bike registrations. Can the general public access information on new motorcycle registrations in Canada?

The motor vehicle information is kept under lock & key here. Once in a while we get numbers on total new bikes to hit the road, but I don't think you could obtain model specific information if you are just an average Joe.

Vehicle registration is handled by the Provincial (your state) Governments and each of them have their own rules.

The insurance agency's here use model specific crash data to price insurance rates, but again this data usually lumps models together. GSX 1000 is the most crashed bike here, but all 1000 cc sport bikes are grouped into high risk.

On that note, you will see car companies brag of having the best selling pickup or best selling small car so someone must get this information from somewhere. (I had a look on the Alberta Governments site and got a headache reading the regulations as to what information they will release).