Stradaperta 1200

[mr moto]

I am not too sure i like the look of this one , kinda bland for my tastes .
http://www.omnimoto.it/magazine/2587/ducati-stradaperta-1200

[miles]

It looks like the love child of a Multistrada and a Triumph Tiger.

I don't like it.  No sir, not one bit.

[atadaskew]

It looks like the love child of a Multistrada and a Triumph Tiger.

I don't like it.  No sir, not one bit.

that's exactly it! add a little bit anorexic too.
I hope it's a really bad photo...

[Rincewind]

It is a photoshop, albeit a very detailed one.  The illustrator is lifting elements directly from the new Monster 1100, particularly the trellis frame w/aluminum subframe, the engine, the pillion passenger peg structure, the wheels, and the exhaust routing.  The front end looks similar to the Hypermotard, but with gold forks added.  I don't know why they wouldn't call it a Multistrada 1200, as that's what it would be replacing.

There is a previous photochop, not nearly as good as this one, that showed a "Stradaperta" based on a Hypermotard.

I don't find the fairing design very appealing - looks very much like the older generation Aprilia Pegaso 650 (ie, it looks dated).

[Rincewind]

that's exactly it! add a little bit anorexic too.
I hope it's a really bad photo...

I kind of like the thin quality of it as it reminds me of a Moto Morini Granpasso.

[JonS]

The thing I like the best is that it retains 17" wheels.

[atypical1]

I don't find the fairing design very appealing - looks very much like the older generation Aprilia Pegaso 650 (ie, it looks dated).

Well it looks better than the old fairing  

We will just have to wait and see what Ducati has in store for the Multi. It is due for a change now and they are probably pretty eager to create a model that sold better than the previous one did. I do wonder if they are spreading themselves a bit too thin though with adding one more model.

james

[st ryder]

That's a "Strada Chiuso" as far as I'm concerned.  

[Attack Pug]

It looks like the love child of a Multistrada and a Triumph Tiger.

I don't like it.  No sir, not one bit.

I bet it will look better in person   Tigstrada

[atadaskew]

I bet it will look better in person   Tigstrada

Like pugs?

[atypical1]

The big rumor over at multistrada.net is that the Multi replacement will be liquid cooled, GS in style, and road only. Whatever that all means  

james

[Hickey]

That photochop is OK looking except for the windscreen, which looks borrowed from the Moto Guzzi Stelvio and looks terrible on both machines.

As to the next Strada being a water cooled road machine...  I'm guessing it will look something like a Triumph Tiger in that case.  

[Attack Pug]

   Yes

[1KPerDay]

All I can say is it's not as fugly as the multistrada. *urp*

[atypical1]

But that bike is bland. Italians don't do bland. The Brits, Germans, Japanese and the Americans do bland. Love it or hate it the Multi is a unique bike and that uniqueness is quintessentially Italian.

james

[1KPerDay]

But that bike is bland. Italians don't do bland. The Brits, Germans, Japanese and the Americans do bland. Love it or hate it the Multi is a unique bike and that uniqueness is quintessentially Italian.

james

No... Italians do beautiful. The Germans do ugly. And the multistrada is ugly. BMW should have made it. It doesn't look like a Ducati to me. It looks like hud.

[atypical1]

No... Italians do beautiful. The Germans do ugly. And the multistrada is ugly. BMW should have made it. It doesn't look like a Ducati to me. It looks like hud.

Have you been to Italy? There's plenty of ugly going on there but they do it with a certain style and flair. The only thing ugly about the MTS is the nose but the rest of the bike is simply amazing. The beauty is in the details on that bike. The frame, the motor, etc.

Germans do functional. Not sure I would call any of the BMW's particularly ugly. The R12GS is a bit on the homely side but it's supremely functional so it gets away with it.

And what do you ride?

james

[jsanford]

It looks like the love child of a Multistrada and a Triumph Tiger.

I don't like it.  No sir, not one bit.

.
Wow...my thought exactly.  Which sort of fits my impression of the 696 as an SV650 jumping the fence and getting together with a Griso.

[miles]

Germans do functional. Not sure I would call any of the BMW's particularly ugly.

R12ST.  R12CL.  Both more than ugly enough for anybody's taste.

[atypical1]

R12ST.  R12CL.  Both more than ugly enough for anybody's taste.

True. The ST is functional and the CL was trying to be American  

james

[Rincewind]

MCN news link



Details from the article:

-New Multi to have 1098-based (4-valve) engine (not a 1200)
-SSSA similar to 1098
-the 2010 model has been revealed to dealers
-traction control system
-should be revealed in Milan, Nov 09

[st ryder]

"The pictures show the bike is completely road-biased with wide sport tyres and a thick single-sided aluminium swingarm similar to the 1098."

Yes, that rear mud guard certainly sceams road and certainly, no adventure bike ever had a SSSA.

Just make it a 1098 based ST model and to hell with any adventure pretense.  

[Oilhed]

Doesnt look quite "Ducati"  But if what I wanted was a GS kinda bike with a Ducati DS motor (and I do!) well this is it.  Gotta see some panniers and a different paint job.

[mugwump58]

Eeee gods that's f'in ugly. In my opinion. I like the current 'Strada.  Donations accepted for the Multi for mug fund. I'll set up a paypal account.

[JoBu]

Just make it a 1098 based ST model and to hell with any adventure pretense.  

I like the way you think.  

Cheers,

Joe

[Rincewind]

More spy pics of the 1098 Multistrada!  

[Emerson00]

The face looks better, but the rest... no thanks. From the browsing I've done, I'm inclined to think the 1st and 2nd generation Multistradas are more interesting to me than this more complicated and bland version. I think the current/old Multi has the best looking tail end on a motorcycle, a simpler engine, and I like the dry clutch of the 1000 versions. They only needed to imp[rove the headlight fairing/front end appearance - take that spy pic's face and drop it on my old 1000DS and I'd be inclined to say it's perfect.

[Oilhed]

Any truth to the rumor no desmo?

I just wanted a Multi with a prettier face.

[Emerson00]

Any truth to the rumor no desmo?

I just wanted a Multi with a prettier face.

No desmo? I hadn't heard that. Stupid question: I thought Ducs were all desmo, no? At least the current and last several generations?

[Oilhed]

True but I heard a rumor that they might make a non-desmo motor to increase the service intervals for some of the new non-sportbikes.

[chornbe]

Better looking than the old one. 'Course... that's like saying "that ugly chick ain't so horrible".

[atadaskew]

How can anyone tell what it looks like?  It's got camo crap all over it hiding it.  Is it only my x-ray vision that isn't working?

[mugwump58]

Pity me... I think the current model is beautiful.

[atypical1]

Pity me... I think the current model is beautiful.

I think the current model has some really beautiful details about. It's also unique. If they make this one look like a Tiger then I will be sorely disappointed in Ducati.

james

[Rincewind]

MCN link

This is supposedly an accurate representation of the 2010 Multi, and it seems to match the previous spy pics.



Ducati GS rival ready for 2010

By Liam Marsden

New bikes

23 February 2009 16:39

Last week in MCN we revealed the Ducati Multistrada replacement which will take on the BMW R1200GS.

This computer-generated image shows how the new adventure-style Ducati could look when it hits dealer floors in 2010.

One Ducati dealer told MCN: "This is an accurate representation of what the bike looks like. I know I could sell loads of them this week if they were available."

The bike will be officially launched at the Milan Motorcycle Show in November 2009, and will go on sale in early 2010.

[staedtler]

 

[UFO]

That does absolutely nada for me.  I never would have thought Ducati could built a generic looking bike...but they pulled it off.  

[Rincewind]

MCN's headline calls it a GS rival, but to me it looks a lot more similar to a Tiger.

That does absolutely nada for me.  I never would have thought Ducati could built a generic looking bike...but they pulled it off. 

Have you seen a Ducati Paso?   

For me it doesn't come down to how a bike looks, but rather how useable and fun it is to ride.  A 1098-powered semi-upright, light-weight, half-faired mega-standard to me is attractive regardless of how they do the plastics.

[atadaskew]

The dealer quote sez it's "an accurate representation".
Does not mean it's spot on.
I mean, c'mon this is MCN reporting!

[st ryder]

 

+

[falcofred]

The dealer quote sez it's "an accurate representation".
Does not mean it's spot on.
I mean, c'mon this is MCN reporting!

MCN? the same MCN who revealed the V5 1000 VFR last summer?

[atadaskew]

MCN? the same MCN who revealed the V5 1000 VFR last summer?

Zigackerly!

[Rincewind]

 

[kendenton]

 

Wonder how hard bags are going to work on that back end.

[2cats]

Wonder how hard bags are going to work on that back end.

With all the smart and creative people that work there, you'd think they'd figure out the need to get rid of those hellacious brackets, and come up with a way to do it.  

[Roaddog]

More spy pics of the 1098 Multistrada!  

Where'd they get the midget test rider?

[Oilhed]

With all the smart and creative people that work there, you'd think they'd figure out the need to get rid of those hellacious brackets, and come up with a way to do it.  

You mean like the guys at SW Motech have done?

[2cats]

If you're talking about the "Quik Lok" racks compatible with popular luggage (I did a quick search), then, no.  That would be a big improvement just the same, but I am talking about a system like that on the Aprilia Futura (which I know well) or what I seem to remember from a lot of BMW's.  There's no rack at all, whether it be easy or difficult to remove, just two or three fairly subtle mounting points.  The Ducati system is lame in the extreme.

[Oilhed]

The Ducati system is lame in the extreme.

I had a few BMWs and now have a ST3.  While the Duc mounts are ugly they are simple and robust.  Never had a worry the bags were gonna fall off or broke a sweat trying to get them off.  Can't say the same for BMW.  If the ST3 mounts were easily removed, like SW Motech, they would be the best, IMHO.

[xbud]

 Just wanted to add another spy pic that shows a better shot of the front end.....Looks like there will be a basic suspension in addition to the Ohlins set up.

 

[MK96xj]

I have yet to see a legitimate photo of what I would consider to be a real replacement for the current MTS. All the mock ups or chops I have seen are way to far form the current design to be a real replacement.

I am very interested to see what Ducati finally unveils but after all the work they initially did listening to their customer base on the original I can not beleive they would go with such a drastic change with a high tail with poor pillon seating, no real luggage option (shown to date) and wannabe supermoto frontend. I will be absolutely shocked to see this.

I tend to believe that they have pulled off the best secret ever. I guess we will see later this year.

[Oilhed]

I have yet to see a legitimate photo of what I would consider to be a real replacement for the current MTS. All the mock ups or chops I have seen are way to far form the current design to be a real replacement.

I am very interested to see what Ducati finally unveils but after all the work they initially did listening to their customer base on the original I can not beleive they would go with such a drastic change with a high tail with poor pillon seating, no real luggage option (shown to date) and wannabe supermoto frontend. I will be absolutely shocked to see this.

I tend to believe that they have pulled off the best secret ever. I guess we will see later this year.

Regardless of looks the best guess will be a Hypermotard with a bigger fuel tank and some kinda fairing/duckbill.  Who knows what they will do for panniers, givi perhaps.

[st ryder]

I have yet to see a legitimate photo of what I would consider to be a real replacement for the current MTS. All the mock ups or chops I have seen are way to far form the current design to be a real replacement.

I am very interested to see what Ducati finally unveils but after all the work they initially did listening to their customer base on the original I can not beleive they would go with such a drastic change with a high tail with poor pillon seating, no real luggage option (shown to date) and wannabe supermoto frontend. I will be absolutely shocked to see this.

I tend to believe that they have pulled off the best secret ever. I guess we will see later this year.

Since when does appearance count for an "adventure" bike.   Seems to me the uglier they are, the more they're loved. Something about form following function.  

Based on the Street Fighter (design debacle IMO), I'm not counting on it looking like anything else other than a "Euro" angular clash of lines.  

[Rincewind]

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2009/07/ducati-talks-strada-aperta-cru.html

"The 'road enduro' of which many spy photos exist will be there[EICMA]...however, we don't think of it as an 'road enduro' like the mags describe it," says Diego Sgorbati, Ducati vice president of marketing in an interview with an Italian magazine. That's the first official quote related to the Ducati Strada Aperta a new adventure touring model that's expected to be in the same vein as the Yamaha TDM, new Triumph Tiger and KTM 990 SMT.



"Ducati is looking at many segments, scooters, custom, enduro, off-road...it's a normal expansion," says Sgorbati. "Before going down one road though we look at all the potential barriers, technological and distribution related. For example, how many of our dealers can sell a superbike, as well as a motocross bike? Also, does it match the 'soul' of the brand, does it make sense? What worked 20 years ago might not make sense today. [The Ducati Vyper cruiser] in any kind of near future, yes, it's out. Maybe in 4-5 years we would look at the custom market to as well as other segments to see where we could expand."

It's expected that the Strada Aperta will use a version of Ducati's water-cooled V-Twin although its not known if that will be the Ducati Streetfighter's 1099cc engine or the newer 1198.4cc motor. That engine and the street-focused running gear evident in the pictures above and in other Strada Aperta spy shots indicates that while the bike might be tall like a giant trailie, it's focus will resolutely be on-road performance, hence the name, which translates to "Open Road."

[mugwump58]

Unfortunately the Duc dealer here in Central NY just went tits up.

[Rincewind]

http://www.motoblog.it/post/20472/foto-spia-ducati-multistrada-stradaperta-2010-spuntano-le-borse-da-viaggio

[st ryder]

So the good news is, the bike is a basically ST model with a superbike engine, not a so called adventure model to compete with the GS." Good, let BMW keep that market, since I'm not interested.

The bad news is, from that latest spy shot,  it looks like it has PODS!!!!! OH NOOOOO!!!!! FHUKING PODS??!!!! On a Ducati?!!  Oh cruel world, spare me the agony, make it not so.  

[Rincewind]

The bad news is, from that latest spy shot,  it looks like it has PODS!!!!! OH NOOOOO!!!!! FHUKING PODS??!!!! On a Ducati?!!  Oh cruel world, spare me the agony, make it not so.  

Here I thought that was just taped-up bodywork!  OMG!  

[kendenton]

I'm going to go with taped-up bodywork.  Please God...

[st ryder]

I'm going to go with taped-up bodywork.  Please God...

Look at the amount of fork travel. I'd say it's a split rad system to acommodate the wheel under full compression. Hey, split rads aren't that bad, if done well/intergrated into the design like RC51, VFR etc. Those padded things don't look none too intergrated to me.  

[Roaddog]

 

Germans do functional. Not sure I would call any of the BMW's particularly ugly.

I guess you've never seen the CS model that was featured in the one Pierce Brosnan James Bond movie. You know, the one in the chase scene where Bond and the hot oriental babe were riding while handcuffed together?

[Oilhed]

I'm thinking this is just like the new Tiger.  Not really adv bike but longer travel and tall like a Supermotard but with hard luggage like a Sport-Tourer.  If it looks good it just might be for me.  Please keep the trellis frame.

[falconati]

 Please keep the trellis frame.

Best sentence in the thread

[Rincewind]

New photoshop "as interpretted by Xavier Gordillo"

http://www.motoblog.it/post/20690/ducati-mutlistrada-stradaperta-2010-interpretazione-di-xavier-gordillo

[MK96xj]

New photoshop "as interpretted by Xavier Gordillo"

http://www.motoblog.it/post/20690/ducati-mutlistrada-stradaperta-2010-interpretazione-di-xavier-gordillo

Good god I hope not

[Rincewind]

Good god I hope not

+1.  Looks like shit.    

[Oilhed]

+1.  Looks like shit.    

Don't think it looks all that bad.  I think this bike begs the new Givi bags like the Versys and Bandit use.

[Rincewind]

Don't think it looks all that bad.  I think this bike begs the new Givi bags like the Versys and Bandit use.

The spy pics, and some of the previous photoshops, have looked pretty promising.  But this last one looks cartoonish and out of proportion with a bulbous front and a flicked-high tail.  The artist didn't incorporate the spy shot features very well.

I wish for some spy pics with tape removed already!

[Roaddog]

For my part, Ducati AND BMW could lose the proboscis monkey thing on the front. The BMs that first sported one had to have a truncated front fender, anyway, and now both brands use a full fender, so that thing is the doo claw of motorcycle styling.

[Castaway]

For my part, Ducati AND BMW could lose the proboscis monkey thing on the front. The BMs that first sported one had to have a truncated front fender, anyway, and now both brands use a full fender, so that thing is the doo claw of motorcycle styling.

Agreed.

The profile looks a bit Versys (also mentioned above). Design is a funny thing ... if it looks conventional enough to not be quickly accepted, it becomes quickly boring. If it looks unconventional enough to be liked over time, it loses. Finding the balance can - being edgy but not 'weird' - can be difficult to strike.

I go back and forth on the current design - sometimes I like simply because so many people dislike it.  

[staedtler]

The Terblanche curse!!!...    ...  

[JReazor]

Good god I hope not

+1. The proportions are all wrong and the tail section looks like it belongs on a different bike. That and it's just plain ugly.

[Roaddog]

The Terblanche curse!!!...    ...  

I recently saw a Duc 999 in the flesh for the first time and I must say, other than the tiny headlights, it was a lot better-looking than photos reveal. The Terblance redesign of the 900SS, however, was an abomination.

[staedtler]

i can't belive this words would ever come from my mouth;....that thing actually makes
the multistrada look good.... i might as well just go get a f..ing V-storm, paint it red with the money I saved, and get it over with.

wtf is happening to Italian design?? what is this world coming to?
nonsense like that woudn't be tolerated in places like Ferrari, Prada, Lamborghini, Armani.... list goes on...
it has to be beautiful...HELLO!?

shame on you Ducati, shame on you....  

[Schneegz]

Let's not freak out yet.  We haven't seen what it's going to look like in its final form.  I'm actually pretty sad to see the Multistrada go.  I rode one at the 2008 Cologne show and loved it... except for the styling.  If Ducati would just restyle it, I'm sure they could sell both bikes side-by-side.  I get the feeling the Strada Aperta will offer a lot more performance with a price tag to match.

[Schneegz]

From MotoBlog.it: another spy pic!  

[kendenton]

From MotoBlog.it: another spy pic!  

[Oilhed]

A ton of tape and stuff but still a functional Givi trunk mount!

[st ryder]

Very long wheel base. The rear fender looks like the side cases are going to be "molded" into the bike like the ST's rather than look like add ons like the new VFR's or the GS's. Rear section of the seat has the ST "hump" and looks as comfortable. Cantilvered rear suspension. SSSW.

Looks interesting, but it's no substitute for ST "superbike."   Hope the final product looks better in person.

[Rincewind]

Looks pretty good, but what a tall windscreen!

I hope all the duct tape used on the prototype doesn't jack up the price too much.

[Schneegz]

Looks pretty good, but what a tall windscreen!

I hope all the duct tape used on the prototype doesn't jack up the price too much.

That duct tape is Ducati's new tip-over damage-prevention system, or TODPS.  

[JamesG]

Looks pretty good, but what a tall windscreen!

Looks like a test mule for factory accessories (windscreen and GIVI mount).

[Rincewind]

Some interesting shots testing the bike's flying abilities

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2009/October/oct1409-2010-Ducati-multistrada-squares-up-against-GS/?&R=EPI-119231

[R Doug]

The bike will line-up squarely against the BMW R1200GS, the Moto Morini Gran Passo and KTM’s 990 SM-T.

Now that's a bike I would like to try!

[st ryder]

Now that's a bike I would like to try!

That's a great photo. It certainly has a lot of interesting and desirable features.  

[marc11]

Interesting how many parts, like the brakes and location of the rear shock change from spy shot to spy shot.....

[Rincewind]

Interesting how many parts, like the brakes and location of the rear shock change from spy shot to spy shot.....

You realize the white one on this page is a Moto Morini, right?

[marc11]

You realize the white one on this page is a Moto Morini, right?

Ooops, I do NOW!  

[garry]

You realize the white one on this page is a Moto Morini, right?

That's the bike Ducati SHOULD be building. Damn shame that Moto Morini is tits up (again):

http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/2961/moto-morini-bankrupt-in-voluntary-liquidation

[Rincewind]

That's the bike Ducati SHOULD be building. Damn shame that Moto Morini is tits up (again):

http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/2961/moto-morini-bankrupt-in-voluntary-liquidation

They are not tits up.  They just can't pay their suppliers at the moment.  

http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,44780.0.html

[garry]

They are not tits up.  They just can't pay their suppliers at the moment.  

http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,44780.0.html

That article I links says that voluntary liquidation is typically a precursor to selling off the assets and breaking up the company. That's pretty tits up if you ask me. Their only hope is that someone swoops in to buy the firm.

[Rincewind]

That article I links says that voluntary liquidation is typically a precursor to selling off the assets and breaking up the company. That's pretty tits up if you ask me. Their only hope is that someone swoops in to buy the firm.

They are in full-speed ahead mode, and still releasing their street-version of the Gran Passo.  But really they are just protecting their brand and production, until a magical investor appears.  If no one buys them, yeah then it's tits up.

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2009/September/sep2509-mot-morini-everything-is-alright/?R=EPI-118780

[Rincewind]

Latest rumor says there will be multiple versions, standard, S model, T tour model with luggage cases, and even a R model ("Rock") with larger diameter front tire.

http://news.motorbiker.org/wap.nsf/52c23322c93a35c8c12575f70030478f/f5f850ab1c3d00afc125765300500341!OpenDocument

[st ryder]

That's the bike Ducati SHOULD be building. Damn shame that Moto Morini is tits up (again):

http://www.twowheelsblog.com/post/2961/moto-morini-bankrupt-in-voluntary-liquidation

Agree on both points.  

[Jeff]

Is there some sort of rule that adventure bikes need to be as ugly as the dump I took earlier today?

The Duc is gonna be ugly, the Multi is ugly. The Moto-Morini is ugly, the BMW GS is ugly, the KTM Adventure is ugly. Even the Uly is ugly. WTF?  

Jeff

They're all probably really great bikes, but no Italian motorcycle should be considered ugly. Italians are supposed to build beautiful.

[R Doug]

No no no, they're all beautiful, but not in a conventional kind of way.    

I do find the Uly to be a very good looking bike.  

[kendenton]

Rumor has it this site:

http://multistrada.ducati.com/

will have the official unveiling of the bike at 12n Saturday.  What time zone, don't know.

[Castaway]

Rumor has it this site:

http://multistrada.ducati.com/

will have the official unveiling of the bike at 12n Saturday.  What time zone, don't know.

Well I hope that they put something up on that site .... all I see now is snow.    

[ZenOfZoom]

Rumor has it this site:

http://multistrada.ducati.com/

will have the official unveiling of the bike at 12n Saturday.  What time zone, don't know.

I took a moment to pull the video and enhance a few stills so we've a better idea of the front end of the Multistrada 1200 at least (  http://tr.im/DDbH ). Also found a premature press release from Ducati UK, that gives us insight into the engine - 1198 derived, liquid cooled.  Frankly I'm really anticipating getting a crack at this beastie.

[kendenton]

Well I hope that they put something up on that site .... all I see now is snow.    

Now there's a countdown on that site - 11/9/09 for the official release

[garry]

I can't say I've been seriously interested in any of the new bikes for the last couple years, but this has potential to be good. I hope it doesn't look like ass. Chances are it's not going to be a cheap date. I'm guessing $20K for an S model with full luggage, Termis, etc.

[JamesG]

It looks like ass (and not in a good way).

[Rincewind]

I took a moment to pull the video and enhance a few stills so we've a better idea of the front end of the Multistrada 1200 at least (  http://tr.im/DDbH ). Also found a premature press release from Ducati UK, that gives us insight into the engine - 1198 derived, liquid cooled.  Frankly I'm really anticipating getting a crack at this beastie.

Great find, thanks.  

I also really like the mobile-friendly theme on your site - looks perfect on an iPhone.  

[st ryder]

It looks like ass (and not in a good way).

Based on that pic/angle, it sucks ass, not the good kind. But, I want to see the whole bike in person. That goofy looking proboscous thing may tie in well with the lines, though it's tough to see from that pic. The previous pics of the bike catching air while being tested in the dirt, shows a lower faring with duct work that "goes" with the proboscous intake thing. We'll see soon enough.  

[st ryder]

Want some candy little girl?  

[atadaskew]

It looks like ass (and not in a good way).

Looks like the business end of a giant squid.

But I think it's a really bad angle.

[JamesG]

Its not the angle thats bad...