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« on: June 15, 2009, 09:20:07 PM »

I am considering selling my Blackbird, and not quite sure which route to take on a new purchase. I love the Honda build quality, and reliability, but also realize that the ST 1300 is the heaviest of the 3, with the least HP and torque. I have riden the ST 1300, but not the other 2. Has Yamaha fixed the knocking engine problem, and heat issue of the earlier FJR ? (would only purchase the manual shift model) Is the Kawasaki C 14 a "proven" ST'er for reliability? I do respect all opinions, so send them!
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« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2009, 09:23:14 PM »



K1200GT??   Shrug  Just sayin'.

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« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2009, 09:43:01 PM »

From best to worst comparing ABS models which is what I rode (I've put 28K on a Gen2 FJR, a 500 mile day on the C14 and a 50 mile jaunt on the ST1300) :

Paint: ST1300, C14, FJR
Fuel mileage: FJR, ST1300, C14 (premium)
Luggage integration/capacity: FJR, C14, ST1300
Heat management: FJR, C14, ST1300
Acceleration: C14, FJR, ST1300
Brakes: C14 = FJR, ST1300
Transmission: C14, ST1300, FJR
Suspension: C14, FJR, ST1300
Looks w/bags on: C14, FJR, ST1300
Looks w/o bags: FJR, C14, ST1300
Maintenance: tie
Tire costs (my guess): ST1300, FJR, C14
 
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2009, 10:16:02 PM »




K1200GT??   Shrug  Just sayin'.




I love the looks and the quality of the Beemers. I just don't like the service/maintenance costs, and INTIAL cost. Engineering is the best, hands down tho'.
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2009, 10:24:33 PM »

I have an XX as well and had your same questions.

I ended up going with the C14 simply because it had the smoothest engine.  The FJR is noted for being "vibey" and I couldn't / wouldn't deal with that coming from the smooth engine of the XX.  The C14 probably has the sportiest riding position as well.  My fuel economy is between 33 and 36 mpgs.  Some people get better...don't know how though.  The suspension is much better on the C14 as well.  Since your coming from an XX, you'll appreciate modern suspension. Wink

Also the FJR only has 5 gears.  Kawi throws in 6th gear for free.

I've ridden an ST and they are nice machines for sure.  I just wanted something sportier and it's my opinion the ST's are overpriced as well.


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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2009, 11:00:24 PM »

You might add the new K1300GT to your list. I read a recent write-up and it sounded pretty good. (As long as you have deep pockets.)
I ride an ST1300 and have never ridden an FJR or a C14, so I can only tell you about my experience with my '06 ABS. (BTW, I paid about $2,000 under retail when I bought the bike new.)

After 32,000k miles...
What I like:
Mileage: 50 MPG
Range: 385 miles (if I were to run the tank dry)
Tip over wings
Windshield adjustability (lots of travel and an extra 2 inches of manual adjustment)
Overall wind protection
Silky smooth motor and tranny
Tons of Honda dealerships
Honda build quality

What I don't like:
New tires every 9k.
Other people complaining about heat (No issues here for me. It's hot when the temps get over 90. Tell me what bike isn't.)
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« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2009, 07:55:11 AM »

To be practical the ST1300 is best bike but it is   boring
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« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2009, 09:01:43 AM »

the FJR is the easiest and most well thought-out bike to maintain that I have ever owned.

27k valve adjustment intervals are good.
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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2009, 09:46:14 AM »




I love the looks and the quality of the Beemers. I just don't like the service/maintenance costs, and INTIAL cost. Engineering is the best, hands down tho'.


I agree with the initial cost part, but the maintenance costs have been on par with the jap bikes I've owned. You just need to pick you dealerships wisely.
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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2009, 09:59:46 AM »

The FJR actually looks like a motorcycle.
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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2009, 10:08:15 AM »

They are all good mounts.  Buy the one that fits your body the best and feels right to you.  Ride the hell out of it and don't worry if another bike has something your's doesn't.  Every bike is a compromise in some way.

I see it this way:   The ST1300 has a slight highway / 2 up advantage, the FJR is sportier, and the C14 is sportiest.  The more sport, the less comfort.  If you want to Iron Butt or have to cross 3 states to get to real twisties, then go with the ST1300.  The weight didn't bother me on the Dragon last week, but I'm a big guy and ride an even bigger work bike.
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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2009, 10:14:23 AM »

I can't see the advantage of plunking down the coin for a new ST mount when you already have a hyperbike tourer.  The price of a new bike is like seven good road trips.

Is there something the XX isn't doing for ya?
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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2009, 10:31:47 AM »

I'd go with a FJR or K1300GT.
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2009, 11:26:11 AM »


Also the FJR only has 5 gears.  Kawi throws in 6th gear for free.


6th gear is pretty useless when the FJR's 5 still gets better gas mileage.  Just sayin.
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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2009, 11:48:13 AM »



What I don't like:
New tires every 9k.


I'm also a ST1300 owner and very happy with the bike after 76,000 miles on it. As far as tire mileage goes, I use Metzler Z6 front and ME880 rear and get 12,000 miles without the tire being totally shot.
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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2009, 11:49:25 AM »



6th gear is pretty useless when the FJR's 5 still gets better gas mileage.  Just sayin.

Why not make 5th higher?
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But...  this one goes to 6.
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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2009, 12:00:13 PM »

Own an FJR.
Have ridden an ST1300.
Haven't ridden a C14.

I didn't care at all for the ST1300.  It felt like a huge scooter (sorry ST owners  Embarassment ) and you can't really take the bags off it without it looking absolutely hideous.  I found the instruments hard to read in the sunlight.  And for a 1300 it's underpowered, especially considering the ST1300 is a behemoth.  It doesn't sound like much of a motorcycle either. Embarassment

The C14 looks like a nice bike, but I have a long term feud with Kawasaki (the corporation)...so I won't ever be owning one.

There are two things I dislike about my Gen I FJR.  No 6th gear (which isn't that big of a deal) and the heat when the ambient temp gets above 80 F or so (yes, I'm sensitive to it...ymmv).  The FJR could probably get 60 mpg with a 6th gear and all that torque.  If you consider an FJR I would only look at a Gen II with all the heat fixes, or wait for a Gen III.

The K-GT looks like a nice bike, but I've never had a chance to ride one...and it's going to cost you a pretty penny more than an FJR...or about 1 million more pennies ($10,000).
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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2009, 12:05:49 PM »




6th gear is pretty useless when the FJR's 5 still gets better gas mileage.  Just sayin.


I've also noticed that in top gear at the same speed they are all turning about the same RPM... Shrug

With 97lbs of torque, who needs 6 gears...trust the engineers grasshopper!

ps. as high as 57mpg at altitude on my FJR
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« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2009, 12:06:02 PM »

Are there serious insurance cost differences?  Might be worth a look.

I have been having similar thought for a while and looking a lot.  For the occasional long distance ride the big bikes are awesome, but getting them around the garage and normal commuting stuff, the big boys get old.  The more I look, the lighter I want.

I've sat on all 3 and the C14 just feels OMFG big, the FJR feels lower to me, but still big.  The ST just leaves me bland.  

As I'm always ending up on dirt for some portion of the ride, I expect I'll get and adventure poser bike instead and start the GS, KTM UglyStrom thread.
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« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2009, 12:33:00 PM »

I looked at all 4 and have ridden all 4, including the new BMW.

ST1300 - too heavy and bland for me. Hated the instrument panel. Very smooth though. Hated it without bags on too. It's a mini-goldwing
Concourse - Nice engine and transmission, feels bigger than it is for some reason. Definitely felt the heat, the riding position is a touch more sport. There's something vaguely cheap about the build quality to me, but it's a bike I would consider the next time I go looking for sure. Did I say nice engine?
BMW 1300GT - They've definitely improved the gearbox from the K1200, the engine is very nice, but not as nice as the Kawasaki to me. The gadgetry doesn't do much for me except worry me. I do like that it comes stock with heated grips. I am addicted to them now. Nice fit and finish. Personally it's the one BMW where the price really does keep me from buying one, it's just not 7-10k better a bike than the other 3, and I could have afforded it if I wanted to. I also owned an RT that was a nightmare, so I am still gun shy at the moment of getting back into a BMW.
FJR (Gen 2) - Not as strong an engine as either the BMW or Concourse, but it's no slouch for sure. Looks good  with the bags off. Handles the best I thought, although the lean angle can seem shallow at times. It is more vibey, but not in a way that bothered me.  It seems to be the best all-around still to me comparing price/performance. It's not perfect, the throttle still is a little snippy. Sometimes I think a 6th gear would be nice.  

Bought the FJR, but I'll look at the Kawasaki and BMW again some day when I get to that point.



 

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