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« on: September 25, 2009, 12:56:16 AM »

Ok, so I'm riding this bike around that I've been working on and it's got a headlight modulator.

How the hell do you guys put up with everyone giving you dirty looks, the finger, pulling over thinking you're a cop, flashing their lights at you, the questions at stop lights and the general ire I seem to be garnering on this thing. I'm putting tape over the sensors.

Ya'll are some crazy people.
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« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2009, 01:36:27 AM »

So what I hear you saying, is that you are getting noticed?
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« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2009, 08:37:52 AM »

Modulation is for pussies!  Razz


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« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2009, 08:42:06 AM »

How the hell do you guys put up with everyone giving you dirty looks, the finger, pulling over thinking you're a cop, flashing their lights at you, the questions at stop lights and the general ire I seem to be garnering on this thing. I'm putting tape over the sensors.


You are riding with licensed drivers on the road, aren't you? Not just the driver's ed crowd? I've ridden throughout PA with my modulator going and haven't seen any of that. Over the last four years, I don't think I've had but maybe four instances like that -- and three of them were in Kentucky and Tennessee. (The other was in Michigan.)

Maybe it isn't the modulator drawing their ire...
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« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2009, 09:51:33 AM »


Yeah, it's me.  Rolleyes
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« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2009, 11:31:38 AM »

Loud lights save lives!   Lol
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« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 01:56:11 PM »

Never had a problem with mine but then again I dont use it all the time. Only when shit looks iffy and the little voice says "turn it on". No one has ever given me a dirty look or flipped me off or what ever. But then again I am on a silver ST, I get mistaken for POPO all the time when I am lane splitting.
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« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2009, 10:09:59 PM »


How the hell do you guys put up with everyone giving you dirty looks, the finger, pulling over thinking you're a cop, flashing their lights at you, the questions at stop lights and the general ire I seem to be garnering on this thing. I'm putting tape over the sensors.

Ya'll are some crazy people.


I run a modulator all the time and I've never had anyone give me "dirty looks, the finger, pulling over thinking you're a cop, flashing their lights at you, the questions at stop lights and the general ire".

If they did, I wouldn't care. What I care about is they see me!.
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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2009, 12:22:38 AM »

Modulators have saved MY LIFE many, many times. City, country, freeway. Thumbsup

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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2009, 08:08:58 AM »

When I ran one on my 04 RT, many times I had people thinking I was a LEO (especially since the locals all ride RTs and my RT was a dark grey). I simply laughed when I saw people pulling over or getting out of my way. But at least they saw me.

I haven't put a modulator on my '09 RT, but mostly because the issues people have had with the CANBUS systems and modulators. I just didn't want the hassles.

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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2009, 09:10:38 AM »

I was at Deal's Gap a couple weeks ago and saw "herds" of modulating motorcycles.  Sure people see you, but to oncoming drivers its distracting and sometimes downright blinding, especially when there's 5 bikes coming at you with their pulsing retina burners blasting away.  Looks more like a parade of emergency vehicles.

Does anyone ever pull out in front of you folks who are running these because other drivers think you are flashing your lights to "wave" them on?  Seems that even one occurrence like that would completely negate any benefit.  Adding auxiliary lights would be a better way to increase your profile and conspicuity both day and night.  Not to mention the bennies of broader night vision...


Here's a video showing a modulator, then auxiliary lights, then both together.
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2009, 11:14:18 AM »

Does anyone ever pull out in front of you folks who are running these because other drivers think you are flashing your lights to "wave" them on?


Nope. Quite the opposite -- I usually see hoods diving because the driver hammered the brakes.
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2009, 11:54:36 AM »

Yeah, I just don't get this hate-train for those that run modulators. Eh, I might install modulators myself if I wasn't too lazy. Elseways...I just runs highbeems during the day. Ohhhhh....so sorry I blinded you with stock highbeams during the day...(not really, better than loud pipes or kicking off your mirrors, with bb's dropped behind...).
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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2009, 02:54:04 PM »

 EEK! WTF???!!!

I have them on both of my bikes (installing it on the Blackbird was tough).  I wouldn't ride without them!   I just      to them when they flash their high beams. It means they see you.

It's great on the highway- cagers tend to get out of the way. The downside is if you're speeding, it can get the attention of the cops.
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2009, 03:24:07 PM »

Some modulator setups are better than others. It's really annoying when the headlights are pointed straight at the oncoming cars instead of down the road like they are supposed to. It's one thing to make yourself seen, it's another thing altogether to blind/distract/etc. the other drivers so they have trouble seeing anything else. Around here people do crazy things when someone with a modulator comes up behind them. I've seen several times when cars start doing crazy things to get out of the way of the modulators. Then they pull back in when they finally realized it's not a cop and almost sideswipe another car or the bike when it tries to pull through.

I notice the auxiliary lights much better than the modulators. My $.02
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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2009, 05:00:57 PM »

I have had a few of those same reactions. But that just means they saw me. I do not ride with it on all the time though. Usually only when on the 45-50 mph four lane city roads with lots of cross traffic.

I did however have a close call last week where someone pulled out in front of me. Had the ABS kicking in to stop. I was cussing this idiot out and wondering how he could not have seen the high beam modulator going until I realized the next time I got off the bike that the modulator was not working anymore. I have never had anyone pull out with it on. Some have started and then hit the brakes hard when it got their attention.

The only people that have pulled over thinking I was an LEO were OLD people. The ones driving 15-20 mph under the limit and struggling to see over the steering wheel. And I like it when they get out of the way.

I had a female mini van driver come up beside me as I was on a freeway exit ramp. Just where the solid white line starts to divide. I was riding with 2 other bikes in a staggered formation at about 2 seconds between bikes. The female mini van bitch driver then looks over at me and decides since I see her she can now cut across the two solid white lines and cut me off. Pushes me right off to the shoulder. I brake hard, get in behind her, lay back, and then wait until we exit and get headed north on the freeway as she is now tailgating the two cyclists that were ahead of me. Once she gets the chance she passes the other bikes and takes off. I follow, turn on brights, and let the headlight modulator beam off her rear view mirrors for the next 50 miles.....Hope it annoyed the hell out of her....
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2009, 07:23:54 PM »

I have modulating high beams on the FJR and find that they really work when lane sharing.

I do not normally ride with the modulation on, but slower vehicles will on most instances pull over when the lights are pulsing  Bigsmile
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2009, 07:39:00 PM »

Head light modulators.... Perfect for folks that have a keen sense of self entitlement.  Bigsmile  





I'd never wish harm to anyone as a general rule.  But I'd laugh if all the flashing let them stranded on the side of the road with no headlights.
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2009, 07:39:25 PM »

I don't have them and don't see many. I won't start complaining about them till we do something about those HI lights on upscale cars. Hey if find that you're out running your lights slow the f*^ck down. Show off some other way ya self centered pr*&Ks.

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« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2009, 07:11:06 PM »

In five years of regular riding and commuting with a modulating headlights, I've never been cursed or flipped off by anyone, or pulled over by LEOs. I've had exactly three helpful people signal me that there was something wrong with my headlight.

I have seen numerous cagers abort attempts to turn left or otherwise pull out in front of me, and many others acknowledge my presence instead of change lanes into my space. This is the single best preventative safety measure you can add to a bike.
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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2009, 11:08:28 PM »


Ok, so I'm riding this bike around that I've been working on and it's got a headlight modulator.

How the hell do you guys put up with everyone giving you dirty looks, the finger, pulling over thinking you're a cop, flashing their lights at you, the questions at stop lights and the general ire I seem to be garnering on this thing. I'm putting tape over the sensors.

Ya'll are some crazy people.


Maybe it isn't the modulator, maybe it's the loud pipes?
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« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2009, 11:19:45 PM »

I think headlight modulators are such a good idea, I'd like to see them on all vehicles!  Bikes, cars, trucks, why not?  Rolleyes
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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2009, 11:10:54 AM »


Piss on the haters! Twofinger


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Or more.

Or pair each of them with a religious zealot and let them spend their time trying to convert each other.
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2009, 11:27:16 AM »

They are distracting.  From a distance it looks like a Police bike.  If they become more prevalent, hopefully they get banned.
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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2009, 06:00:10 PM »


Ok, so I'm riding this bike around that I've been working on and it's got a headlight modulator.

How the hell do you guys put up with everyone giving you dirty looks, the finger, pulling over thinking you're a cop, flashing their lights at you, the questions at stop lights and the general ire I seem to be garnering on this thing. I'm putting tape over the sensors.

Ya'll are some crazy people.


Actually I don't get dirty looks or the finger, but I do see people starting to pull out from side roads then suddenly stop... and I do see people slow down and move over ( Bigok)... I do see people checking their mirrors trying to figure out if I'm a cop... I have had people say, "Your headlight is flashing."... or make other signs with their fingers or hands to say the same thing... I just wave to them and think to my self, "Damn... best $80 bucks I ever spent"...  Bigok

Ban them?  pfffth...  get over it...
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Maybe it isn't the modulator, maybe it's the loud pipes?


On a GL1500 sewing maching....?  Headscratch
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On a GL1500 sewing maching....?  Headscratch


The right set of pipes can make anything loud!
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« Reply #27 on: October 10, 2009, 10:21:51 PM »


They are distracting.  From a distance it looks like a Police bike.  If they become more prevalent, hopefully they get banned.

 

Yes they are distracting. That would be the purpose of it..... Headscratch  
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« Reply #28 on: October 11, 2009, 09:56:38 AM »

I not seen any evidence that they do anything other than annoy other motorists.

Do you really think that people cannot see a normal headlight  Rolleyes
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« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2009, 10:24:21 AM »


I not seen any evidence that they do anything other than annoy other motorists.

Do you really think that people cannot see a normal headlight  Rolleyes


Buddy... where have you been?   Last I read, cars turning into the path of a motorcycle is one of the major causes of motorcycle accidents... I'm pretty sure all those motorcycles had their headlights on.  It's not enough...  Flashing gets peoples attention... which is why emergency vehicles use FLASHING lights... not just bright/colored lights...

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« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2009, 11:39:16 AM »


How the hell do you guys put up with everyone giving you dirty looks, the finger, pulling over thinking you're a cop, flashing their lights at you, the questions at stop lights and the general ire I seem to be garnering on this thing. I'm putting tape over the sensors.


Most modulators that I know of only come on if the light switch is set to high beams.  In daylight, obviously.  If it is modulating all the time, regardless of where the light control is set, it sounds like something is wrong with the installation and I'd disable it.

As for people, I have seen everything you describe (except the finger), but could probably count the instances on one hand - maybe 2... and that is over the last 6 years now I have been running it.  And mine is on nearly all the time.  The people where you ride need to relax.


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« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2009, 12:20:01 PM »

LuvMy883,

So there you have it. Based on the answers provided by the pro-modulator crowd it's like I said earlier. It requires a keen sense of self entitlement, and you're obviously lacking. Bigsmile
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« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2009, 12:39:27 PM »


LuvMy883,

So there you have it. Based on the answers provided by the pro-modulator crowd it's like I said earlier. It requires a keen sense of self entitlement, and you're obviously lacking. Bigsmile


You've made your position clear.  Repeating it looking for more satisfactory attention is just trolling.
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« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2009, 01:08:47 PM »

My modulators allow me to switch from low beam modulating (Hey, watch for me) to high beam modulating (You ass-wipe, do you see me now!).
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« Reply #34 on: October 11, 2009, 01:22:46 PM »


My modulators allow me to switch from low beam modulating (Hey, watch for me) to high beam modulating (You ass-wipe, do you see me now!).


How do you turn them off?
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« Reply #35 on: October 11, 2009, 01:34:50 PM »




You've made your position clear.  Repeating it looking for more satisfactory attention is just trolling.


And you helped affirm my position. Thank you!   Lol
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« Reply #36 on: October 11, 2009, 01:42:28 PM »

Ultimately I don't care either way...  I survive just fine without them and *MY* ability to watch around me and ride like I'm invisible has done what headlight modulators do for others. I just choose not to be the center point of that much on-road attention.
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« Reply #37 on: October 11, 2009, 01:43:56 PM »




Buddy... where have you been?   Last I read, cars turning into the path of a motorcycle is one of the major causes of motorcycle accidents... I'm pretty sure all those motorcycles had their headlights on.  It's not enough...  Flashing gets peoples attention... which is why emergency vehicles use FLASHING lights... not just bright/colored lights...




From my experience (yes, anecdotal...) - It's not the not seeing them that's the issue... it's misjudging speed and distance due to lack of depth perception on a single point of focus.

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« Reply #39 on: October 11, 2009, 08:43:59 PM »




Buddy... where have you been?   Last I read, cars turning into the path of a motorcycle is one of the major causes of motorcycle accidents... I'm pretty sure all those motorcycles had their headlights on.  It's not enough...  Flashing gets peoples attention... which is why emergency vehicles use FLASHING lights... not just bright/colored lights...



I think you are confusing the purposes of sirens and flashers.  Sirens get your attention, flashers are to distinguish typical motorists from emergency or service vehicles that need special attention.  If you heard a siren and looked to see a group of 10 vehicles with headlights on, you wouldn't be immediately able to tell which had the siren.  Lights and flashing lights are both easily visible, but the flashing light will visually distinguish the emergency vehicle.  If multiple vehicles had fashing lights it would confuse which vehicle needed special attention.

I'd be curious to hear the opinions of some of the LEOs or Firemen on the board.


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« Reply #40 on: October 11, 2009, 10:24:11 PM »

Plus, if every vehicle had flashing (head)lights, then they wouldn't be unique and people wouldn't "see" them any more. Shrug
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« Reply #41 on: October 12, 2009, 08:15:09 AM »

You guys with the modulators are amatures for annoyance. A few years back in ST.N v1.0, I documented a couple experiments I ran for lane-splitting the 405 LAX>San Fernando Valley, one of the worlds most crowded commutes.

One experiment was running a bullhorn looping a really old bugs bunny sound track "excuse me, excuse me, pardon me, excuse me...", really loud. I found that it annoyed those that were paying attention in the first place, and the clueless were still clueless, with their windows rolled up and listening to music or on their cell phone.

Another experiment, I ran a 3 million candle power spot-light at night, designed to burn the pavement between cars 4 or 5 cars ahead of me to let them know something's coming. Eh, I gave that one up after the trial run, I still didn't get much extra notice, plus the fact that I'd be sure to get mega-busted if I rolled up on a cop.

I've gone back to invisable mode (except I still run high-beams in the day, and during tight low-speed frwy lane splitting at night). Any-case, I still don't get why people complain about modulators, they just make your lights go 'off' for part of the time. It's not even close to some of the 'really annoying' shit I have tried....






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« Reply #42 on: October 12, 2009, 11:59:18 AM »


Ultimately I don't care either way...  I survive just fine without them and *MY* ability to watch around me and ride like I'm invisible has done what headlight modulators do for others. I just choose not to be the center point of that much on-road attention.


Can I have your modulator?
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« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2009, 08:57:19 AM »


They are distracting.  From a distance it looks like a Police bike.  If they become more prevalent, hopefully they get banned.


+1 - I don't like them at all.  Neither does my S.O.
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« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2009, 08:05:20 PM »

If there is a flashing light in your field of view... you WILL notice it... it's pretty much physically impossible for you not to look...  our brains are wired that way...  don't ask me why, I'm not god... (although my kids do keep calling me god... "Oh, god!"  Headscratch...)    Whether the problem is dept/speed perception... lack of sleep... cell phones... lack of intelligence or what ever... they notice you...  and getting noticed is part of the game...

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« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2009, 10:32:46 AM »

I prefer HID low beam with Halogen high beam, super bright LED turn signals, and LED visibility lights.

Never hand anyone pull out on me with that setup.
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« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2009, 11:33:07 AM »


I'd never wish harm to anyone as a general rule.  But I'd laugh if all the flashing let them stranded on the side of the road with no headlights.


And this is exactly the reason I've shitcanned mine after many years of use. I still had low beams, but a lonely straight road through forest rat habitat, the dead of night, after 14 hours in the saddle..... I wanted my high beams. The headlights themselves were fine, it was the modulator that failed. Even if I'd figured out the problem on the side of the road, my install was not easily undone. If you ride at night, maybe think twice.
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And this is exactly the reason I've shitcanned mine after many years of use. I still had low beams, but a lonely straight road through forest rat habitat, the dead of night, after 14 hours in the saddle..... I wanted my high beams. The headlights themselves were fine, it was the modulator that failed. Even if I'd figured out the problem on the side of the road, my install was not easily undone. If you ride at night, maybe think twice.



My modulator has a fail safe that just sets it to steady on. It will not fail and kill the power to the headlight. It has failed and worked as intended. I never lost use of the highbeam.
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« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2009, 04:40:22 PM »


My modulator has a fail safe that just sets it to steady on. It will not fail and kill the power to the headlight. It has failed and worked as intended. I never lost use of the highbeam.


I "thought" the Comagination (Spell?) unit I had was supposed to do this as well. It didn't. It's gone.
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« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2009, 09:26:33 PM »

I also have the Comagination that failed. I guess at least mine failed the way it is supposed to fail. But next time I will be looking at a different brand.
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« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2009, 08:03:25 PM »




+1

Or more.

Or pair each of them with a religious zealot and let them spend their time trying to convert each other.



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« Reply #51 on: October 24, 2009, 07:26:21 AM »

I have driven around 15,000 miles in the Phila Suburbs with a Modulator. I love it.

I almost always get waved ahead at 4 way stops.

I have seen hoods dive several times when people see me and slam on the brakes.

I have seen people look cautiously in their mirror to see wtf was behind them.

I leave it on 99% of the time. I try and turn it off when I see a LEO just because I don't want the hassle, but I usually forget and LEO have never given me a problem.

In rural areas I have had people pull over because they think I am a cop (very nice feature!)

I turn it off when I ride with bikes causes it tends to catch their mirrors.

I have had many people at red lights tell me that my headlight is blinking and I say "I know" and if they look particularly distressed, i say "thanks" and turn it off until the light turns green.

I had one person in TN tell me that they thought I was blinking my lights for them to go (at 120 times per minute!) he cut me off, but that is one instance where I was cut off and I have at least 2-3 per week where it is clear the modular caught the cagers attention.

You can't have it both ways, if it "annoys" you, that means it works and you are seeing it.

If a blinking headlight really cause you (or someone else) that much distress, I would suggest you seek professional help, because you got some real issues that you need to work out, and NEVER goto Vegas, your head is likely to explode!

When I do turn it off (as mentioned above) I forget to turn it on and after a few miles I start to become concerned when some cager does something unexplainable and I realize that my modulator is off! It works!
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I leave it on 99% of the time. I try and turn it off when I see a LEO just because I don't want the hassle, but I usually forget and LEO have never given me a problem.


PA State Police are fine with modulators. I've come across (and spoken with) several and not one nhas ever mentioned my modulator, not even when it was lighting up their badges.
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You can't have it both ways, if it "annoys" you, that means it works and you are seeing it.



See that's just it. I don't want it "Both ways". I figure your mere presense on the road doesn't give you the right to distract me or force me to give you special notice. What makes you special? Are you riding an emergency vehicle on your way to save lives, or perhaps arrest a murderer? No, you're just another person making there way along a public road, just like everyone else. But for some reason you think that because you are on two wheels you deserve some special notice.

Here's a thought: How about you ditch the flashing headlight and glue a big freakin glow-in-the-dark dildo on top of your helmet. I'll notice it, and be amused rather than annoyed. We both win!  Bigok
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« Reply #54 on: October 25, 2009, 09:59:04 AM »


... But for some reason you think that because you are on two wheels you deserve some special notice...


Uhhh, yeah!, but more like *any* notice. "Special-notice" may well still apply, since last time I checked, moto's don't have seat-belts or air-bags (excluding new gold-wings for the airbag bit).

You've never heard about inattentional blindness?  


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« Reply #55 on: October 25, 2009, 11:01:23 AM »

I can not tell you how many times my wife and I are doing something together that requires observation... like driving or just sitting and watching TV and I'll mention something I just saw, and she'll say something like, "I didn't see it, I wasn't looking."....  Headscratch  I'm like, what do you mean you didn't see it... you were facing that way... you were looking at it...   Point is her mind was somewhere else, or she was focused on something else...  

People are distracted... everyone frikin multitasks these days... that's the reality... anything you can do, within reason, to cut through that distraction if fair game...   it just makes sense...

To be legal they have to flash at a certain intensity, at a certain frequency... and they should have sensors that stop the flashing when you're in a dark area... like under a bridge or in a tunnel and at night...  If you ever got a ticket it would never stand up in a court or law, because a federal law allows them...  unless of course yours is not designed properly... and I'm sure there are some out there that aren't...
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Uhhh, yeah!, but more like *any* notice. "Special-notice" may well still apply, since last time I checked, moto's don't have seat-belts or air-bags (excluding new gold-wings for the airbag bit).

You've never heard about inattentional blindness?  


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+1 Very well said GTS-rider.

I guess Windblown won't mind if I take my F-250 diesel pickup out on the road and not give him any special notice when he is on two wheels. Why should I? His two wheeler is nothing special. Probably won't even put much of a dent in the truck if I would happen to run in to him while I was not paying any "special" attention.

I tried the glow-in-the-dark dildo glued on helmet trick too and it would not work. Only caused a bunch of hot gawking sluts to become distracted while driving causing even more accidents.  Bigok
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I figure your mere presense on the road doesn't give you the right to distract me or force me to give you special notice. What makes you special?


Doesn't matter what you "figure". Sounds like the feds are giving me all the "rights" I need to drive around w/ flashing headlight to attract drivers attention.

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« Reply #58 on: October 27, 2009, 06:23:25 AM »

I soooo want to add modulators to my bike. Same time I shrink back because I don't want to add extra notice as I approach or split by police cagers. Hmmm, it's a hard decision, go traditionally invisible/stealth to avoid police attention...or announce your presence to everyone in your path extra-ways? I still choose to go full invisible, but I don't get why fellow bikers are harshing on the more to be seen scene?

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I don't get why fellow bikers are harshing on the more to be seen scene?


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I soooo want to add modulators to my bike. Same time I shrink back because I don't want to add extra notice as I approach or split by police cagers. Hmmm, it's a hard decision, go traditionally invisible/stealth to avoid police attention...or announce your presence to everyone in your path extra-ways? I still choose to go full invisible, but I don't get why fellow bikers are harshing on the more to be seen scene?




I have the same feeling when out riding. I FEEL like the modulator is adding extra notice for the police. So I always have to remind myself that the only times the police have ever stopped me is when I was doing something wrong. Which was speeding every time. It didn't matter if the modulator was on or not......Their radar was correct. But you could turn it off when splitting if that is your only fear.
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+1 Very well said GTS-rider.

I guess Windblown won't mind if I take my F-250 diesel pickup out on the road and not give him any special notice when he is on two wheels. Why should I? His two wheeler is nothing special. Probably won't even put much of a dent in the truck if I would happen to run in to him while I was not paying any "special" attention.

I tried the glow-in-the-dark dildo glued on helmet trick too and it would not work. Only caused a bunch of hot gawking sluts to become distracted while driving causing even more accidents.  Bigok


Well of course I won't mind if you pay me no special attention.  If on the otherhand you are inattentive in your driving and that causes an accident you'll have answer for it like like any of us would. See? Nothing special.

Look, I understand there are drivers out there doing anything and everything besides DRIVING while behind the wheel. I also understand that in most areas headlight modulators are legal. That does not change the fact that I think it's pretentious to feel like it's ok to demand special notice by using a modulator regardless of whether it annoys, distracts, and confuses others on the road.  There are a number of ways to increase your visibility without flashing lights: aux lights, bright clothing, reflective tape, or just drive your F250. Smile

In the end I reckon those that think it's ok will use them, those that think it's not will not. I will continue to assume I am invisible to everyone on the road and react accordingly.

As with most internet debates each side will walk away smug in the knowledge that they are right and the other guy is wrong.  :bigot:
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In the end I reckon those that think it's ok will use them, those that think it's not will not. I will continue to assume I am invisible to everyone on the road and react accordingly.

As with most internet debates each side will walk away smug in the knowledge that they are right and the other guy is wrong.  :bigot:


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« Reply #63 on: October 28, 2009, 01:03:25 AM »



... I also understand that in most areas headlight modulators are legal.


Ummmm.... ALL areas both US and Canada.
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Well of course I won't mind if you pay me no special attention.  If on the otherhand you are inattentive in your driving and that causes an accident you'll have answer for it like like any of us would. See? Nothing special.


Most, but not all, of the drivers that have pulled out in front of me were not distracted or inattentive. They were not on their cell, ect. ect. but were looking down the road right at me. They just didn't see me. This is where the modulator helps. I do not see how that is being special?



 There are a number of ways to increase your visibility without flashing lights: aux lights, bright clothing, reflective tape, or just drive your F250. Smile

 


People do pay a little more attention when the F250 is coming down the road.  Thumbsup





 In the end I reckon those that think it's ok will use them, those that think it's not will not. I will continue to assume I am invisible to everyone on the road and react accordingly.

 

 


I will continue to ride the same way. The modulator does not replace that.





As with most internet debates each side will walk away smug in the knowledge that they are right and the other guy is wrong.  :bigot:



And yes I am right and YOU are WRONG.  Bigok

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Well of course I won't mind if you pay me no special attention.  If on the otherhand you are inattentive in your driving and that causes an accident you'll have answer for it like like any of us would. See? Nothing special.

Look, I understand there are drivers out there doing anything and everything besides DRIVING while behind the wheel. I also understand that in most areas headlight modulators are legal. That does not change the fact that I think it's pretentious to feel like it's ok to demand special notice by using a modulator regardless of whether it annoys, distracts, and confuses others on the road.  There are a number of ways to increase your visibility without flashing lights: aux lights, bright clothing, reflective tape, or just drive your F250. Smile

In the end I reckon those that think it's ok will use them, those that think it's not will not. I will continue to assume I am invisible to everyone on the road and react accordingly.

As with most internet debates each side will walk away smug in the knowledge that they are right and the other guy is wrong.  :bigot:


All of the products you endorse have exactly the same effect as the modulators.  You don't think aux lights blind and distract and annoy people in cars?  

For me, i don't care.  I love my plug and play HID low beam simply because the glare off the thing is rediculous.  You can see me coming miles away.  I also have rediculously bright LED running lights/turn signals, and I custom made 6 x 1watt LED visiblity lights complete with optics.  I'm like a flying saucer.  LOL

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« Reply #66 on: November 07, 2009, 12:28:34 PM »

I like the modulators but using them on single lane roads with no intersections is completely stupid, down at Deals Gap only an idiot would think they help, if people don't see you there it because its a blind corner and not do to inattention or your vehicle blending into the scenery like it might in commercial areas
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« Reply #67 on: November 07, 2009, 03:12:34 PM »

I felt kinda bad about them until it started to seem like every single person who has installed high end aftermarket lights on their ricers or trucks have them pointing STRAIGHT OUT into the person in front of them. I longer give a shit about that basic level of courtesy as it seems to have been forgotten by most.
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« Reply #68 on: July 02, 2015, 11:23:32 PM »

I have to chime in with the headlight modulator crowd.  I found that when I installed one on my ride, my daily commutes became a LOT easier, because lane splitting went from "I'm not sure I have room to fit between those cars" to Parting of the Red Sea.  No one yelled, no one bitched, they just moved aside.  Cops didn't say anything about it, other riders didn't say anything about it (well to be fair my weekend riding buddies told me to "drop the lights" but the same was said for people running high beam or aux lights in a group.  Wilford Brimley: "It's the right thing to do.")

Loud pipes/engine in higher gear? Only heard by people behind me - folks in front never had a clue until I was on top of them.

Headlamp on High Beam? no change. People still blanked out on the presence of a motorcycle.

Bright/retroreflective clothing? Effective at night, but, modulators don't work at night anyway.  During the day, hardly any change in driver behavior.

SO... even tho I cannot lane split in Texas, my Trumpet is getting one fitted, to the high beam only.  At the same time... I am mounting a Steibel Nautilus horn.   I miss the loud assertive horn on my K75, and every other bike I've had were equipped with horns that were little more than a polite cough.  I want something that has cagers diving for the curb when I hit the button!!!

And yes, there is an appropriate time to use any of this stuff.  I get that.  Smile
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« Reply #69 on: July 03, 2015, 12:58:55 PM »

A similar mentality is the root of this statement as well: Loud pipes save lives!

Same crowd, just different bikes.

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« Reply #70 on: July 05, 2016, 12:16:54 PM »


Ok, so I'm riding this bike around that I've been working on and it's got a headlight modulator.

How the hell do you guys put up with everyone giving you dirty looks, the finger, pulling over thinking you're a cop, flashing their lights at you, the questions at stop lights and the general ire I seem to be garnering on this thing. I'm putting tape over the sensors.

Ya'll are some crazy people.


   Most of the time I wave at them. The Hurt study done in the 1970s, still I believe relevant today, and the most in-depth study on the causes of motorcycle accidents found conspicuity ( seeing and being seen) as the most important element to staying out of accidents. A modulator is a great tool in that respect.
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« Reply #71 on: July 18, 2016, 05:59:01 PM »

Hurt is out of date. The initial report was released in 1981. David L. Hough, in Proficient Motorcycling, makes heavy use of the Hurt Report, which, as of the 2000 edition, was twenty years old. IIRC, even Hough acknowledged that the report was, to paraphrase, showing its age. Simple arithmetic: the report is now 35 years old. Changes in riding demographics, changes, good and bad, in laws pertaining to motorcycles, changes in motorcycles themselves, all combine to remove much of the validity of the quantitative conclusions.

If I had my way, modulators would be federally banned. They're misleading, they violate the code sections dealing lights that falsely make a vehicle appear to be an emergency or law enforcement vehicle, the list goes on far too long. Misleading... more than once I've thought a modulated light was a "I'll wait until [you cross my path]\" and almost found out the hard way it wasn't.

Favoring modulators uses the same specious reasoning that says "run with your high beams on during the day". Some lights won't matter (poorly aimed low) and some will be a distinct nuisance, if not hazard, on any but the sunniest of days.  
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« Reply #72 on: July 18, 2016, 07:34:22 PM »

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« Reply #73 on: July 20, 2016, 01:58:31 PM »


Hurt is out of date. The initial report was released in 1981. David L. Hough, in Proficient Motorcycling, makes heavy use of the Hurt Report, which, as of the 2000 edition, was twenty years old. IIRC, even Hough acknowledged that the report was, to paraphrase, showing its age. Simple arithmetic: the report is now 35 years old. Changes in riding demographics, changes, good and bad, in laws pertaining to motorcycles, changes in motorcycles themselves, all combine to remove much of the validity of the quantitative conclusions.

If I had my way, modulators would be federally banned. They're misleading, they violate the code sections dealing lights that falsely make a vehicle appear to be an emergency or law enforcement vehicle, the list goes on far too long. Misleading... more than once I've thought a modulated light was a "I'll wait until [you cross my path]\" and almost found out the hard way it wasn't.

Favoring modulators uses the same specious reasoning that says "run with your high beams on during the day". Some lights won't matter (poorly aimed low) and some will be a distinct nuisance, if not hazard, on any but the sunniest of days.  


Wow. Hate to say it, but you are dead wrong. I'veread through thisthread with some amusement regarding the misconceptions here. I've been using a modulator daily for the last 13 years.

In fact, they specifically comply with Federal regulations. They have very specific standards they must comply with including the frequency and intensity they must modulate at. It isn't on off on modulation, it's a sinusoidal wave. Here is a link that quotes the standards: http://www.webbikeworld.com/Motorcycle-technical-articles/Modulator-regs.htm

Self Entitlement? Try self-preservation! I have seen my modulator work time and time again, too many times to recount here. Just last week I had a truck turn left in front of me, and after a panic stop I realized I forgot to turn my modulator on. I only use mine when going through towns where there are cross streets. Never on the freeway, and never when stuck in traffic or stopped at signal lights. (Moderation for my modulation ha!) I'll never not have one for as long as I keep riding.
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« Reply #74 on: July 21, 2016, 08:11:27 AM »

I stand by every word of my post.

I did not say they are federally banned. I said they should be banned. NTL, that event is highly unlikely.
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« Reply #75 on: July 21, 2016, 01:28:01 PM »

Just a techie curiousity thing - how would a sine wave meet those conditions?

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(b) The headlamp shall be operated at maximum power for 50 to 70 percent of each cycle.

(c) The lowest intensity at any test point shall be not less than 17 percent of the maximum intensity measured at the same point.


Someone more on the ball today explain it (shift work messes me up) or maybe they are not using a sinusoidal signal after all. Smiley

FWIW, I've only seen that "throbbing" modulation once on a motorcycle and that was last week. It sure looked like something a cop bike on parade duty should have but if a group ride approached me, I'd go loonie.

Up to now I thought when I saw an approaching motorcycle with lights twinkling like there was a loose connection or bumpy road, that was modulation. And actually that kind of light interference I do and would be able to detect quickly and I wouldn't find it objectionable.
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« Reply #76 on: August 12, 2016, 08:02:14 AM »

Ok, so I'm riding this bike around that I've been working on and it's got a headlight modulator.

How the hell do you guys put up with everyone giving you dirty looks, the finger, pulling over thinking you're a cop, flashing their lights at you, the questions at stop lights and the general ire I seem to be garnering on this thing. I'm putting tape over the sensors.

Ya'll are some crazy people.
I am riding on new bike without one to work and I see a big difference: people looking through you, pulling out of parking lots, changing lanes, etc. It's been a week but I had more close calls than normally do in couple months.

The trick is to have modulator on low beam, just enough to be noticed but without great annoyance to others.

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« Reply #77 on: August 12, 2016, 09:15:07 AM »

Dude, short of zapping people with a green laser, it's still gonna happen. Hell, a bright yellow helmet, a hurt my eyes yellow jacket, and a "no more Mr. Niceguy" HID doesn't keep the idiots under control. A modulator is wishful thinking.
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« Reply #78 on: August 12, 2016, 07:16:52 PM »

Dude, it helps you get noticed. What's wrong with that?
Who ever said it'll keep the idiots under control?
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« Reply #79 on: August 12, 2016, 08:24:18 PM »

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« Reply #80 on: August 12, 2016, 10:31:15 PM »

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« Reply #81 on: August 27, 2016, 02:01:24 AM »

Dude, short of zapping people with a green laser, it's still gonna happen. Hell, a bright yellow helmet, a hurt my eyes yellow jacket, and a "no more Mr. Niceguy" HID doesn't keep the idiots under control. A modulator is wishful thinking.
I got mine after cabbie got me off downtown back in '04? We were coming to red light and he decided to jump to what he thought was an empty lane.

We evolved to recognize and react to movement and flashing lights simulate it. It is not about seeing if you have it in your peripheral vision you will look at it.

Now you would still have some bumbaclot who would see and still do it, but majority people are inattentive not malicious. They just need help to see you.

From personal experience on my 100mi daily commute it significantly cut number of oh-sh!t moments from 3 per ride to 3 per month, so they do work.
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« Reply #82 on: August 29, 2016, 09:15:52 AM »

Apparently, if it's not 100% effective, it's shit.
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« Reply #83 on: September 02, 2016, 10:01:17 AM »

Apparently, if it's not 100% effective, it's shit.
The only thing proven 100℅ effective to avoid motorcycle accident is to stop riding.
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« Reply #84 on: September 19, 2016, 09:41:43 PM »


The only thing proven 100℅ effective to avoid motorcycle accident is to stop riding.


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