2010 Supermoto T

[Dave the slave]

Yes my friends it is coming to the USA!

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/25september09_ktmstous.htm

enjoy  

[xbud]

  The question now is, can I afford it??  How much is a good kidney going for now?

[kendenton]

 

I'm sure I won't be able to afford it, but maybe when it hits the used market.

[Castaway]

Bikes keep gettin' better and better.  

[mugwump58]

How much is 1.71 million yen?

[kendenton]

How much is 1.71 million yen?

$18,901.  While the bike is going to be pricey here, no way it's going to be nearly 19 grand.  I'd bet $14,995.

[Schneegz]

  The question now is, can I afford it??  How much is a good kidney going for now?

I'm in the same boat!  

[mugwump58]

$18,901.  While the bike is going to be pricey here, no way it's going to be nearly 19 grand.  I'd bet $14,995.

We'll see. That was the price quoted in a video from a show in Japan.

[Hotbrakes]

F the new VFR...by the time Honda releases that I'll be in the market for a SMT.

[Dave the slave]

F the new VFR...by the time Honda releases that I'll be in the market for a SMT.

Soooo many freaking cool bikes... so little time.  I want both, but then... I want everything.  

[R Doug]

I wonder if there will ever be a hard luggage option for it?  

[mugwump58]

I can't remember which site it was but I believe some consideration was given to luggage. If I get all of the to do list done I'll see if I can find that.

[Rincewind]

I wonder if there will ever be a hard luggage option for it?  

I don't think there are any factory hard luggage options for it currently in the euro market.

Mark me as very interested in this bike.  Thanks for the heads up!  

[Dave the slave]

I check to see if Givi makes anything for the Hyper 1100.  Nothing, so don't hold your breath.  But there is always soft bags, or custom made mounting by your local welder.

[Rincewind]

Givi page show a three box setup.  I wonder if sw-motech also does SMT racks.

http://www.givi.it/My-motorcycle/?ma=KTM&mo=990-SMT-09

[Dave the slave]

Givi page show a three box setup.  I wonder if sw-motech also does SMT racks.

http://www.givi.it/My-motorcycle/?ma=KTM&mo=990-SMT-09

Ooops!!! I'm a dumbass, I was thinking about the Hypermotard 796....  I can't keep all this new motorcycle news straight.

Thanks for the link, that looks f'ing awesome!

[R Doug]

[Rincewind]

Any idea on tank size and range?  12k valve checks?  Normal filters, or special double ktm setup?  

[mugwump58]

This'll answer some of the questions:

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/firstrides/122_0905_2009_ktm_990_supermoto_t/index.html

[Rincewind]

This'll answer some of the questions:

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/firstrides/122_0905_2009_ktm_990_supermoto_t/index.html

5-gallon tank.  Not bad.  This is the most exciting new 010 model for the US so far, IMO.

[xbud]

5-gallon tank.  Not bad.  This is the most exciting new 010 model for the US so far, IMO

 I agree, unless Triumph upgrades the Tiger with an 1150 engine, and sportier suspension...

[R Doug]

Any idea on tank size and range?  12k valve checks? Normal filters, or special double ktm setup?  

The LC8s in all other KTMs have a valve adjustment due every 15,000 kilometers which (I believe) equates to around 9,500 miles.  I'm not sure if the SMT would  be any different.

Regarding the oil filter and screens, I'm assuming the STM's motor will be the same as all other LC8s too based on the fact I see the remote oil reservoir.  The LC8 uses a dry sump system to keep the motor as low as possible for weight hence the need of the remote oil reservoir.  There are two screens to clean and one oil filter to change.  Also, oil is drained directly from the motor and as well as the remote reservoir.  It's really not that bad comparred to other bikes.  Only the Adventure is a pain because you have to remove one of the two fuel tanks to access one of the oil screens.  

[Rincewind]

 I agree, unless Triumph upgrades the Tiger with an 1150 engine, and sportier suspension...

Not gonna happen.  The only thing the tiger gets for 010 is a higher price, and the SE edition w/special paint.  The new prices are up at their website now.

Thanks for the info there Doug.  I would love to read a SMT vs Tiger comparo.

[kendenton]

Not gonna happen.  The only thing the tiger gets for 010 is a higher price, and the SE edition w/special paint.  The new prices are up at their website now.

Thanks for the info there Doug.  I would love to read a SMT vs Tiger comparo.

Yes, thanks Doug!

I don't think the Euro mags have done any comparos with the SMT yet.  Reviews, yes, but no comparos.  In the reviews it's all raves.  They love the SM to begin with, and the T just extends it usability range.  

[ksann]

Dang, now you can get arrested in town, and in a far away place, all on the same hooligan bike.



Sounds just like what I need.



ken

[Schneegz]

Yes, thanks Doug!

I don't think the Euro mags have done any comparos with the SMT yet.  Reviews, yes, but no comparos.  In the reviews it's all raves.  They love the SM to begin with, and the T just extends it usability range.  

[mugwump58]

What's become of Adam Child? Does this mean the price on 'Strada's will drop?

[Schneegz]

I wonder if the SM-T will be offered with ABS.  

[Thundergod]

Damn....this bike will get me in trouble.
It has been the only bike lately that makes me think of my credit rating....

(How many wife points have I collected?)

[atadaskew]

Ruins the bike.  If ya want to carry that much junk, UPS it to your destination!

[kendenton]

I could live with the tailbag and a tankbag - I'd pack light for that.

[atadaskew]

I could live with the tailbag and a tankbag - I'd pack light for that.

Agreed.

[Schneegz]

From KTM's official site:














All these sport-touring accessories fit the 990 Supermoto, Supermoto R and Supermoto T, so start saving your pennies.

You can also buy the following for the 990 Supermoto R.

[mugwump58]

Hopefully it's way too tall for me. It's got every I want, but my little 'tard has brought the stupid back out of me enough to think that it must go to the local track and stay there. It reminds me of my first, a 20" black Rollfast.

[Rincewind]

Thanks Shneegz, it's good to see these options.  The Trax cases look awesome.

[mugwump58]

Crickets... Clearly not as controversial as the Dullville or the 1200 VFR. Patience is a virtue, for those who have to wait.

[Dave the slave]

It is a beauty, no doubt.  

But it would be 4th or 5th on my list right now, and I'm not that wealthy

[mugwump58]

Of course this is all fancifull. Haven't even sat on one I suppose I should go and visit. See if their interested in what I have to trade. See what I've got will bring on the market. Contemplate removing all the special stuff and think about putting it up for sale. Hmm let's see, side the house or..... I'm thinking, I'm thinking .....

[kendenton]

I wish there was a KTM dealer near me that treated the brand like the other Euro-bikes.  All the KTM dealers here are multi-line shops with mostly Japanese brands.  Which means no demo rides.  

[Rincewind]

Still no confirmation on the KTM US website that this bike is actually coming to the States....  

[Schneegz]

KTM SMT vs. Triumph Tiger 1050, Ducati Multistrada 1100 and Benelli Tre-K.

[kendenton]

"It looks fantastic.  It's the bike I'd most like to polish in the garage".

The Multistrada?  Really?  I don't trust anything this guy says.

 

[atadaskew]

that was a nice video.  The KTM is #1 in their view, but it seems their main beef against the Ducati was the uncomfortable stock seat.  Which is about the first thing that is ditched anyway!

[Schneegz]

"It looks fantastic.  It's the bike I'd most like to polish in the garage".

The Multistrada?  Really?  I don't trust anything this guy says.

 

Hey, it's the best I could do, alright?  I can't help it if MCN was the only English-speaking magazine that posted a comparo video on YouTube!  

[Oilhed]

Love the KTM V twin, Love the KTM tellis frame, Love the underseat exhaust and Love the Trax bags.  So is it over 5 gallons of fuel and over 40 mpg?  If so it's everything I want in a SPORT-tourer!!!

[Schneegz]

Love the KTM V twin, Love the KTM tellis frame, Love the underseat exhaust and Love the Trax bags.  So is it over 5 gallons of fuel and over 40 mpg?  If so it's everything I want in a SPORT-tourer!!!

The KTM website claims 5.02 US gallons (19 liters).  I have no idea about fuel mileage.  

[R Doug]

The KTM website claims 5.02 US gallons (19 liters).  I have no idea about fuel mileage.  

Expect 38-42 MPG which would yield a tank range of 200 miles.  

[Rincewind]

Still no confirmation on the KTM US website that this bike is actually coming to the States....  

No confirmation on my local dealer site either - they have the 2010's listed, with neither the SMT, SMR990, or RC8R listed.  The only source for the news that I have seen is the original link...

Anyone confirm the SMT's arrival with their dealer?  

[kendenton]

No confirmation on my local dealer site either - they have the 2010's listed, with neither the SMT, SMR990, or RC8R listed.  The only source for the news that I have seen is the original link...

Anyone confirm the SMT's arrival with their dealer?  

Don't toy with me man!  This is one of the few bikes I'd replace the Multi with (once I can buy one used, that is).  Of course if Honda brings over the CB1100F, or if anyone brings over any big retro standard all bets are off.

[Rincewind]

Cycle World December says it "appears" to be coming in 2010.  Touchy fueling and excessive driveline lash are cited, but otherwise a pretty good review.  

I asked the international tiger1050 board on their in-market comparison between the two bikes.  The impression is that the KTM has edgier performance.  The Tiger has similar levels but with a more livable feel.  

I'm looking forward to seeing the new SMT.  Between this and the new Duc, it's an exciting year for tall streetbikes.

[Dave the slave]

CONFIRMED  

[former230]

I wonder if there will be any additional options or features for the US market on this bike? (ABS, different stock luggage, etc)

I am just happy that they are bringing this thing over! This bike and the Multistrada 1200 are on my short list. Decisions, Decisions....

[Schneegz]

I wonder if there will be any additional options or features for the US market on this bike? (ABS, different stock luggage, etc)

I am just happy that they are bringing this thing over! This bike and the Multistrada 1200 are on my short list. Decisions, Decisions....

I posted some of the touring accessories from KTM's European site:











I also posted a link to a pdf copy of the 2010 KTM USA brochure.

[Schneegz]

Thanks for the brochure link.  That SMT is tasty.  Any word on price?

Not that I know of.  It may not be a big improvement over your Tiger, though.  The suspension may be better, but that's a relatively inexpensive fix.

[kevrider]

Regarding the oil filter and screens, I'm assuming the STM's motor will be the same as all other LC8s too based on the fact I see the remote oil reservoir.  The LC8 uses a dry sump system to keep the motor as low as possible for weight hence the need of the remote oil reservoir.  There are two screens to clean and one oil filter to change.  Also, oil is drained directly from the motor and as well as the remote reservoir.  It's really not that bad comparred to other bikes.  Only the Adventure is a pain because you have to remove one of the two fuel tanks to access one of the oil screens.  

i've read a lot of complains about this oil change (mostly regarding the ADV) but this is actual, useful information.  thanks for posting the details.  

[jim williams]

Damn. I'm loving my Uly so far that I got a month or so ago, but, this is the bike I really wanted. I didn't think it'd come to the US anytime soon. Looks perfect!

[some_finn]

i've read a lot of complains about this oil change (mostly regarding the ADV) but this is actual, useful information.  thanks for posting the details.  

I did one extra oil change on my SMT (long story) myself. There are two drain plugs (sump + engine) and to drain all the oil one has to undo a couple of hoses and fish out the filter. But all in all it's not a big deal as everything is easily accessible. I had a full fairing Suzuki before and just unscrewing the oil filter behind the fairing, in between the headers was much more aggravating.

[Flyer]

CONFIRMED  

I contacted my local (100 miles distant) KTM dealer:

"Please advise, is the SM-T coming to Ontari-ari-ari-O?"
That's Canada guys...  

President "Dave" replied:

Yes sir! Price will be announced this week. I was in California last weekend at the KTM Street Launch. Got to ride the RC8s at Laguna Seca and take a 100 mile trip through the mountains on a 990 SMT & 990 SMR. The SMT will be my pick for a demo next year. What a cool bike!

 

[expatbrit]

I saw $13,998 as the official price.

The question is ... 'when'!?

[coho]

The world's most expensive V-Strom.

[expatbrit]

So...

Is it me, or does KTM list the weights differently than other manufacturers.

423lbs without fuel, as opposed to 440, or whatever, for the MTS1200 'dry'

Given how much my Sprint goes up from 'dry' to 'ready', if that's just adding 5gal of fuel
is the Katoom that much lighter than the MTS?

[some_finn]

The world's most expensive V-Strom.

It's painfully obvious you haven't tried the KTM...
Even by the specs: The V-Strom's dry weight is nearly the same as the Katooms curb weight, and of course the Brembo brakes and WP suspension are way higher spec etc.
Go test ride both and then try to convince yourself again they are the same  

[some_finn]

Is it me, or does KTM list the weights differently than other manufacturers.

There are many ways... For example BMW's "dry weight" means "without fluids" so apparently it includes the battery which many manufacturer's don't include in the "dry weight".
On the Ducati MTS1200 page here it says the dry weight is 417 lbs for the basic model and 423 for Sport and Touring models. So it looks like the MTS is a bit heavier but not quite as much as you suspected.

[expatbrit]

There are many ways... For example BMW's "dry weight" means "without fluids" so apparently it includes the battery which many manufacturer's don't include in the "dry weight".
On the Ducati MTS1200 page here it says the dry weight is 417 lbs for the basic model and 423 for Sport and Touring models. So it looks like the MTS is a bit heavier but not quite as much as you suspected.

Yeah. I thought a lot of places were 'dry' was no battery, no fluids, no nothing. (Again, witness the 100lbs or close to my Sprint gains from 'dry' to 'wet' weights. I'm not altogether sure how Ducati rates their 'dry'.

Ah well. I don't think  can afford an MTS1200S, and I can't find a KTM dealer to even sit on a 990 SM.

[vulcanbill]

I was just told that the KTM truck will be at JT Motorsports in April 3.  

[kendenton]

That's a bit far for me for a demo.... but I'm tempted.

[garry]

So...

Is it me, or does KTM list the weights differently than other manufacturers.

423lbs without fuel, as opposed to 440, or whatever, for the MTS1200 'dry'

Given how much my Sprint goes up from 'dry' to 'ready', if that's just adding 5gal of fuel
is the Katoom that much lighter than the MTS?

I believe there is a move among mfgrs to list "curb weight" which is ready to ride, but no fuel (or something close to that). That way mfgrs don't get dinged for offering a 5 gallon tank versus a 3.5 gallon one.

[expatbrit]

That's be smart, I think. At least then you can easily compare and figure it all out.

[AV8OR]

so any more news?

[mugwump58]

I saw $13,998 as the official price.

The question is ... 'when'!?

And where. I think I'll spend the evening and see if there is even a KTM "street" dealer left in the state.

[FizDog74]

I was just told that the KTM truck will be at JT Motorsports in April 3.  

I was there, and the bike is simply awesome to ride. Super comfy and relaxed ergos, good wind protection, light handling and one of the best transmissions I've experienced on a bike.



The fuel delivery was flawless too. What I can't understand though is why it is so good on this bike and the Super Duke, but so horrible on the 990 Adventure I also test rode the same day.   I have never experienced such horrendous on/off fueling as I did on the Adventure.

[R Doug]

What I can't understand though is why it is so good on this bike and the Super Duke, but so horrible on the 990 Adventure I also test rode the same day.   I have never experienced such horrendous on/off fueling as I did on the Adventure.

The Adventure's EFI delivery is pretty bad.  Like you, I can't understand how the other KTM 990 road bikes are fine and the Adventure is so wrong.  

[FizDog74]

The Adventure's EFI delivery is pretty bad.  Like you, I can't understand how the other KTM 990 road bikes are fine and the Adventure is so wrong.  

The last Adventure I rode was a 950 with all of the smog crap removed and was smooth like butta'. I have to say after Saturday, that I think I would be looking for an '06 950 with carbs.

[R Doug]

Though the Adventure's throttle is on/off-ish.  It's not been to the level of annoyance for me to do anyting about it.  I have read that a new cam throttle is a BIG help and performing the "canisterectomy" is another help.  I  can't speak to their effectiveness because I have not completed either one.  

What I can say is that with the addition of the Renazco Racing seat, the Adventure is as comfy as a Big GS.  The seat makes the bike nearly perfect for touring.  

RideWV had my Super Duke all day last Saturday with the exception of about 40 miles on the Adventure.  We agreed that the SM-T would most likely be the perfect blend of both bikes.  

[FizDog74]

RideWV had my Super Duke all day last Saturday with the exception of about 40 miles on the Adventure.  We agreed that the SM-T would most likely be the perfect blend of both bikes.  

If dirt was no consideration, it would be the obvious choice after riding them all back to back this weekend.

[Hotbrakes]

I was there, and the bike is simply awesome to ride. Super comfy and relaxed ergos, good wind protection, light handling and one of the best transmissions I've experienced on a bike.



The fuel delivery was flawless too. What I can't understand though is why it is so good on this bike and the Super Duke, but so horrible on the 990 Adventure I also test rode the same day.   I have never experienced such horrendous on/off fueling as I did on the Adventure.

How did you snap the pic with the guy I was standing next to in line and didn't get me?  Haha...wish I had known there were other STN'ers out there.  
My GF and I both rode the SMT.  What an amazing, comfy bike!  It definitely lived up to my expectations although the factory bags are teeny.  It has a very upright seating position with high bars and still retains a flickable chassis that mimics the SD.  But as long as I have a VFR and SD that combined cost me a little over half of a new SMT I'll be sticking with them.  KTM is doing a fine job of building phenomenal street bikes whose quality is much higher than the Japanese counterparts but those prices are a bit steep.
The RC8 was very comfortable as well but there was only one available to demo and we didn't have enough time to wait.  

[FizDog74]

Ha! I figured someone from this forum had to be there. Sorry I missed you. I agree the price is a bit steep, but most euro bikes are these days. A slightly used one a year or two from now wouldn't be out of the question though.  

[Spiffious]

I was there, and the bike is simply awesome to ride. Super comfy and relaxed ergos, good wind protection, light handling and one of the best transmissions I've experienced on a bike.

lol....  I was there too.  The guy in the blue jacket is a buddy that went with me.  I had just gotten through the line.  I took the black Buell 1125cr that was parked there... I think I saw the STN VFR there.    

I didn't ride the SMT, but I did ride the SD990, and the RC8.  The RC8 was amazingly comfortable... beautiful bike.  I was surprised to find my 1125 felt revvier and faster SOTP on the ride home.  But I did love the KTMs.

[atadaskew]

The Adventure's EFI delivery is pretty bad.  Like you, I can't understand how the other KTM 990 road bikes are fine and the Adventure is so wrong.  

The one I demoed a while back was horrendous.  Also surgy on a constant throttle.  And I wanted that bike until then.  I keep hearing about fixes, but this begs the question as to why the factory/dealerships/whoever don't fix it before the public gets their hands on them.

[Kraz]

This bike looks like the total package.  

I've heard bad maintenance/reliability stories about KTM's and don't really think that's something I want to get into - but I really like the bike - it may be worth the leap.  Good to hear the fueling is right though - I figured it'd be similar to some other KTM's, which I heard was horrible.

Either way, 14 g's (is that with bags?) is a bit high for me - but certainly isn't out of line with the rest of the market.

EDIT: Sat on one - not bad - Adventure seems better and more like a do-it-all for me...

[falcon4]

This bike looks like the total package.  

I've heard bad maintenance/reliability stories about KTM's and don't really think that's something I want to get into - but I really like the bike - it may be worth the leap.  Good to hear the fueling is right though - I figured it'd be similar to some other KTM's, which I heard was horrible.

Either way, 14 g's (is that with bags?) is a bit high for me - but certainly isn't out of line with the rest of the market.

EDIT: Sat on one - not bad - Adventure seems better and more like a do-it-all for me...

I got my 2010 for closer to 12K with a thousand dollar GPS, and bags included.

[nater]

I got my 2010 for closer to 12K with a thousand dollar GPS, and bags included.

What more can you tell me?  A good friend of mine is looking seriously at getting one.  Seriously enough that he sold his GSXR 1000.  Said he wanted something more touring-friendly with a major emphasis on the "sport" bit.  

[Dan]

A friend of mine bought one of these a few weeks ago.  I had a ride on the it at the weekend and all I can say is.....

F**king awesome!

That bike is just nuts - it comes with a free pillion, a little devil whispering in your ear. It makes you want to do bad things.

The engine is brilliant. It spins up (and down) so quickly, and loves to rev. The more you rev it, the more it screams COME ON!!! The throttle is often described in the magazines as being jerky on KTMs, but I just found it to be very precise - you need a good throttle hand, if you're ham fisted it won't like it. It's almost digital - you select exactly how much power / revs you want with the throttle and wallop, it's delivered.

The gearbox is nice and smooth, better than my Hondas.

The handling on the twisties is superb. It's like riding a 1000cc mountain bike. The steering is light and the bike flicks from side to side so fast. It wants you to lean more and more, that little devil egging you on.

The suspension was superb, tight in the corners yet long enough travel to soak up the bumps on the crappy roads we have. It's decent kit too, WP is owned by KTM I believe.

The brakes (when you need them, there's so much engine braking available) are excellent too, Brembo calipers with loads of power and feel. It comes with Marchenisi (sp?) wheels too.

It really is a mad piece of kit.

Bad points?

The first time I rode it was on a straight section, and I found the seat a little uncomfortable. Not a problem in the twisties though. The guy that owns it is a lot lighter than me and has no problem though. The riding position is generally good though, with much better visibility than you get on a sports bike. This is one of the real advantages of this sort of bike.

I didn't ride it in the dark, but I suspect the headlight won't be up to much. I might be wrong, but it's a small, H4 set-up so I wouldn't expect it to be great.

And it's a bit thirsty when thrashed. Probably 10% more fuel used than my Blade. Not an issue if you only do a few thousand miles per year, but for everyday use a consideration. Even so, I reckon it could be worth it.  Averaged 41mpg (UK) over the weekend, including a fair bit of thrashing.

Even so, this is by far the best bike I have ever ridden. If I didn't have plans to move, I would be looking for one now. Loved it.

[mugwump58]

So I'm grateful that KTM has made sure that I don't have a clue where a street dealer is.

[falcon4]

What more can you tell me?  A good friend of mine is looking seriously at getting one.  Seriously enough that he sold his GSXR 1000.  Said he wanted something more touring-friendly with a major emphasis on the "sport" bit.  

Sorry I took so long to answer, but I'm loving the bike. Just got back from some good runs up in the N GA mountains last weekend. Some curves and some back-roads up to the Appalachian trail. Anybody heard of Wildcat Rd? I was surprised how well the bike worked when it got rougher and also in deep gravel. I needed to lower the tire pressure a bit for that, but was going right back out on the hwy, so I didn't bother. Still worked fine.

Packing in those small bags was a breeze for the weekend and just pop em off and bring them in at nite. Rode with a Multi Strada 1200 for a few miles and had no prob keeping right with him when there was no traffic. We caught up to and passed several bikes as we went. We got behind some cagers and he started passing cars on curves to get on by. I wasn't that motivated, but it was nice to get a good look at one of those beauties in action.  
Smt gave me the best weekend of this yr and I slept Sunday nite with a grin on my face, lol.

[Holden]

Agreed - LOVE MY SMT

That bike is just nuts - it comes with a free pillion, a little devil whispering in your ear. It makes you want to do bad things.

[expatbrit]

I got my 2010 for closer to 12K with a thousand dollar GPS, and bags included.

I just saw a /used/ 2010 for $12,700. There's a reason we call that dealership what we do, though.

[expatbrit]

So I'm grateful that KTM has made sure that I don't have a clue where a street dealer is.

I'm glad that the local KTM street dealer terrifies me, after what we went thru' with my 950SM.