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« Reply #140 on: November 12, 2009, 04:15:44 PM »




Hey do we know where the rev limiter kicks in on this bad boy?


Good question.  Maybe it's just the max limit on the display.  What's the rev limit for the non-Strada 1198 engine?
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« Reply #141 on: November 12, 2009, 04:23:45 PM »

My ST3 didn't have a "red line" on the tach.  I'm not sure if that's indicative of other Ducs or not.
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« Reply #142 on: November 12, 2009, 04:26:23 PM »

There isn't one on the 1098 (or 1198 AFAIK) either.

Redline is 10,500 RPM for 1098.  Journo stuff says the same for 1198.



My ST3 didn't have a "red line" on the tach.  I'm not sure if that's indicative of other Ducs or not.
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« Reply #143 on: November 12, 2009, 04:32:53 PM »

Just to be clear: Desmo engines don't have redlines.  The factory sets a rev limiter.  In the case of my 1000DS MTS, it's around 8800 rpm.  If you look at hp and torque curves, it's significantly past the peak of both.
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« Reply #144 on: November 12, 2009, 04:35:35 PM »


Just to be clear: Desmo engines don't have redlines.  The factory sets a rev limiter.


Redline (on the instrument) is an indication of rev limit.  The original question is where is that indication on the instruments?
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« Reply #145 on: November 12, 2009, 04:41:15 PM »




Redline (on the instrument) is an indication of rev limit.  The original question is where is that indication on the instruments?


It's not marked on my tach either.  Just know when I hit it Razz

Actually, pretty handy for upshifts: toe under shifter, hit rev limiter and ding! upshift.  Inlove
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« Reply #146 on: November 12, 2009, 05:13:09 PM »

WebBikeWorld has a preview up. Man, is it gorgeous...

http://www.webbikeworld.com/ducati-motorcycles/multistrada-1200/

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« Reply #147 on: November 12, 2009, 05:29:02 PM »




Redline (on the instrument) is an indication of rev limit.  The original question is where is that indication on the instruments?


Have you ridden a Ducati before?  All the ones I've seen and ridden are like that.  It's silly not to show the rev limiter On the tach - there is an explanation given in this linked thread.

http://www.ducati.ms/forums/showthread.php?t=2371
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« Reply #148 on: November 12, 2009, 06:16:26 PM »


...When I was still at the dealership the ones for the new Testasretta Evolution motor were I believe in the neighborhood of $365.00/each...


Wow so were talking over a $700 buy-in to do your own adjustments. Maybe we can work out some group co-op buy and share dealio. Actually kinda surprised there isn't somebody that already bought the tools that would rent them out to help re-coup the cost.
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« Reply #149 on: November 12, 2009, 07:59:40 PM »

Not sure I understand the distinction unless that's Ducati's marketing-speak for "We're special!"   Headscratch

Wikipedia's definition of redline:

Redline refers to the maximum engine speed at which an internal combustion engine or traction motor and its components are designed to operate without causing damage to the components themselves or other parts of the engine.[1] The redline of an engine depends on various factors such as stroke, mass of the components, displacement, composition of components, and balance of components.

Presumably the fact that there is a rev limiter indicates that a redline, such as described above, does in fact exist whether it's labeled on the tach or not.




Just to be clear: Desmo engines don't have redlines.  The factory sets a rev limiter.  In the case of my 1000DS MTS, it's around 8800 rpm.  If you look at hp and torque curves, it's significantly past the peak of both.
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« Reply #150 on: November 12, 2009, 08:43:42 PM »


Not sure I understand the distinction unless that's Ducati's marketing-speak for "We're special!"   Headscratch

Wikipedia's definition of redline:

Redline refers to the maximum engine speed at which an internal combustion engine or traction motor and its components are designed to operate without causing damage to the components themselves or other parts of the engine.[1] The redline of an engine depends on various factors such as stroke, mass of the components, displacement, composition of components, and balance of components.

Presumably the fact that there is a rev limiter indicates that a redline, such as described above, does in fact exist whether it's labeled on the tach or not.





Historically, redline was set where valve float became signficant. Not an issue for a desmodromic valve train
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« Reply #151 on: November 12, 2009, 09:07:37 PM »

Gotcha.  I started on the car end of the equation and usually big piston mass was the limiting factor rather than valve float.




Historically, redline was set where valve float became signficant. Not an issue for a desmodromic valve train
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« Reply #152 on: November 12, 2009, 09:44:18 PM »


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In that pic it looks like you make out the rubber boot cover on top of the forks to protect the wiring for the electronic adjustable suspension.
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« Reply #153 on: November 13, 2009, 12:04:53 AM »




Historically, redline was set where valve float became signficant. Not an issue for a desmodromic valve train


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« Reply #154 on: November 13, 2009, 08:37:40 AM »

More pics from the Milan show:









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« Reply #155 on: November 13, 2009, 08:40:03 AM »

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« Reply #156 on: November 13, 2009, 08:53:58 AM »

Thanks for the new pics.

Ok, now I'm sure I want a black S model with touring accessories added at point of sale (or a touring model with the carbon fiber bits added).  Smile
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« Reply #157 on: November 13, 2009, 09:03:33 AM »


More pics from the Milan show:

http://www.ducatinewstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Ducati-Multistrada-1200_12.jpg




Interesting shot up the nose with the oil cooler there.

I finally watched the cartoon concept video, and I am impressed with the ESA, Traction Control, ABS control integration.  But I wonder if it is much different or better than the GS's ESA and Auto-Stability Controls, which has been out for a year or two.  For the high-end touring models, the GS-ADV with similar techno-wizardry and price, would win out in terms of a much better fuel range with the larger tank.  The 5.2 gallon Duc tank should give 200-miles, IF you aren't using all that HP for sport-riding - but the GS-ADV will give over 300+ miles to a tank.

7500 mile service costs on the 1098/1198 seem to be in the $600-$1100 range.  
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« Reply #158 on: November 13, 2009, 09:22:38 AM »

Hmmm....

Yes, the view up the snout of the oil cooler is interesting. I was wondering if it's possible to just chop the beak off and not affect power or cooling.

Interesting (in a bad way) that the right pannier has a huge cutout for the exhaust. People bitched about that on the Tiger. Really cripples the bag.

Also curious that there are are two different Termi exhausts shown: the cool stubby one and the big ass one (requiring the pannier cutout). What's up with that? It appears that the big one doesn't have the "collector" under the engine that the shorty has. Anyone have more info?
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« Reply #159 on: November 13, 2009, 09:24:38 AM »


Hmmm....

Yes, the view up the snout of the oil cooler is interesting. I was wondering if it's possible to just chop the beak off and not affect power or cooling.

Interesting (in a bad way) that the right pannier has a huge cutout for the exhaust. People bitched about that on the Tiger. Really cripples the bag.

Also curious that there are are two different Termi exhausts shown: the cool stubby one and the big ass one (requiring the pannier cutout). What's up with that?


Dammit man, you beat me to it!  I was just composing my "bummer about the right bag cutout"...  Smile
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