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« on: July 31, 2010, 11:39:10 AM »

So far, so perfect.  That’s how I feel about my recent decision to trade the Super Duke (after three years of wonderful time together) for a more dedicated off-road machine.  

Over the past two weeks, I’ve been able to ride the new (to me) 530EXC more than 250 miles of gravel roads and double track.  The previous owner had the bike set up for street riding and realized quickly the bike isn’t designed for that.  He purchased the bike in April of this year, put 290 miles on it, and traded it in for a 690 SM.  The day after the bike was a traded in, I acquired it for a great deal.

The EXCs come with Metzler street legal knobbies from the factory.  The previous owner installed Pirelli Scorpion ATs (same tires which come stock on the 990 Adventure).  The Scorps are still on the bike but I do have the Metzlers out in the garage to swap out later.  

To date, I have added a larger fuel tank, jetted the carb, added hand guards, added frame protectors, put on a rear rack, and added a skid plate.  I believe this bike will perfectly feel the void left by the larger Adventure.  I really enjoy touring, carving twisties, and storming fireroads on the Adventure.  It’s not as much fun on double track and not fun at all on single track.  The primary purpose of the EXC will be gravel roads, double track, and single track around WV, PA, OH, and MD.  I will do day rides and weekend camping trips (once I can acquire a GiantLoop or similar bag).  I plan to trailer the bike to far away ORV areas to play as well.  Later, I will save up and acquire some motard wheels for the bike to go play on motard tracks and local twisties.  

Compared to previous dual sport bikes I’ve owned, this EXC feels more like a motocross bike in terms of its motor, excellent suspension, and weight.  The KayTom makes the DR650 feel like a tractor and the KLR like a 400 pound wet noodle.  If you come up on a down tree or a big rock, all you have to do is give the EXC some throttle and front wheel will lift of the ground to help you get over the obstacle.   This bike gives me the confidence to take on large rocks and down trees that the DR would have me shaking in my boots.  The motor likes to GO.  I’m not sure I’ll get used to that.  The DR and KLR would happily lug along.  Not the KTM, this motor likes to be revved and gets really jerky when it’s run in the low RPM range.  

According to KTM, this bike can be taken in its stock form and race a GNCC Enduro race today.  Though that is not my plan, it’s good to be on a bike that is MORE than capable to handle what I’ll toss at it.  The last “real” dirt bike I owned was a Yamaha YZ250 back in the early 80s.  The only thing we did, back in the day, was ride some trails and build jumps to get our bikes airborne.  Other than basic cornering techniques (i.e. weight outside, bike below you, etc…), my off-road skills are about 50% of my street skills.  I have a lot of work to do in order to become more proficient at off-road riding.  But so far, I can tell I’m going to have a blast moving up the learning curve on this bike.  Once I get a better fell of it, I will put the knobbies on it and go explore some single track.  

Pros:

*  Very light weight for a 510cc bike @ 251 lbs.
*  Top notch suspension.  
*  Amazing power with smooth delivery  
*  6-speed transmission with gearing a bit taller than KTM’s dedicated dirt bikes for the paved parts.
*  Separate engine and transmission oil for better longevity.  
*  Very versatile machine with the ability to ride on paved roads

Cons:

*  Very tall bike with no ability to lower the chassis via links.  I’m 5’8” with a 30” inseam and the only way I can ride this bike is due to its low weight.  
*  Short maintenance intervals.  
*  Low oil capacity (leads to point #2 above)
*  Poor comfort level for long day and weekend trips.  I could be on the DR’s stock seat nearly all day long.  After about 30-40 miles of paved roads on this seat and I’m ready to start standing on the pegs.  
*  Limited luggage capacity for the weekend camping trips.  Companies like DirtBagz do not make rear racks for this bike (yet?).  However, with the tail rack I’ve added, I nice GiantLoop bag may do the trick.

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« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2010, 11:59:00 AM »

Nice bike, Doug!  Looks super clean.  I doubt you'll have those Pirellis on there for long -- those are what I run on the 690 presently, and they're great considering I've spent most of my time on the road.  But you'll mostly pine for something more trial oriented as you get used to the capabilities of the EXC.

I have been surprised at how much grip I get out of the Scorpions on the road though -- they're pretty sticky in the dry.  

Have you thought about dropping a tooth up front to make the powerband more manageable offroad?

Out of curiosity, how do you like the front brake?  The one on the 690 is a bit touchy -- great for street use, but I consciously try to stay off it on any kind of loose surface (I lack any kind of real offroad pedigree, so I have to tamp down on my on-road riding instincts, which tends to favor front brake).  One of my friends who rides offroad a lot didn't like how sensitive it seemed and he's a big KTM fan.
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« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2010, 08:08:07 PM »

The Scrops ATs came on the Adventure.  I have scraped the pegs with these tires on dry pavement on that bike, I know what you mean about their ability.  The tires are whoot whoot fun on EXC in the twisties.

Since this bike will see more off than on road riding, I do plan to drop a tooth up front to help it out.  Heck, it would most likely make it even better for the limited street riding I'll do with it.

Regarding the front brake, it's powerful but I don't find it to be touchy or grabby.  If you get on the binders while on the road, it can lift the rear wheel.  I do find the feel of it to be progressive though.  

How's the listing of your 690E going?  
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« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2010, 03:12:29 PM »

Slow.  I owe some people a response this week -- too much going on last weekend.  Smile


How's the listing of your 690E going?  
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« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2010, 06:38:25 PM »

Looks like a blast!
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« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2010, 12:34:38 AM »

 Thumbsup  That things gotta be a hoot!  

Other than basic cornering techniques (i.e. weight outside, bike below you, etc…), my off-road skills are about 50% of my street skills.  I have a lot of work to do in order to become more proficient at off-road riding.  But so far, I can tell I’m going to have a blast moving up the learning curve on this bike.  Once I get a better fell of it, I will put the knobbies on it and go explore some single track.  


This I get.  I'm still getting a feel for humping my DR around the desert and mountains, but its a fun learning process.

What kind of fuel range are you getting with the bigger tank?
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« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2010, 03:45:05 AM »


 Thumbsup  That things gotta be a hoot!  


This I get.  I'm still getting a feel for humping my DR around the desert and mountains, but its a fun learning process.

What kind of fuel range are you getting with the bigger tank?



The new tank is 3.4 gallons and I'm getting about 50 miles per gallon.  Personally, I don't expect to go more than 150 miles between fuel stops.  
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2010, 07:18:45 PM »

I'll tell ya one thing, dirt riding will improve your street ability big time. I'm just about the opposite, my street prowess is probaly less than half of my dirt worthiness. I just can't commit as much as I'd like and it's all due to my fear of road conditions and loosing traction. Who knows, maybe I wouldn't have it if I never rode dirt? Anyway, I've been through a handful of orange off road bikes and have settled on the trusty 200. I recognize just about all the off road pics you have posted, we should kick up a little dirt sometime!
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« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2010, 08:27:15 PM »

Almost forgot, If you haven't already discovered ktmtalk ya need to check it out. Get that 530 running right, jetting and gearing are way off from the factory. Sag is critical on orange dirt bikes as well. Make sure the air filter is seated perfectly when you service it, easy to get wrong. Take a serious look at the factory fan kit, especially if you don't plan to change the factory jetting. Great choice by the way!
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« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2010, 03:06:55 AM »

Great tips, thanks!
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« Reply #10 on: September 15, 2010, 05:38:38 PM »

Hey no problem, look to jdjetting to cure your lean jetting woes. Make sure not to overtighten the chain, it runs looser than jap bikes because KTM's have no linkage. Enduro Engineering makes nice soft seats for a reasonable price unless you care to splurge for a Renazco. And again check out ktmtalk
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« Reply #11 on: September 15, 2010, 06:10:01 PM »

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Just in case you didn't know - you can lower the bike some with the X bushing and by raIsing the forks in the tripple clamps.  I've done this + reduced the shock full extension by 1/4" to net about a 1" overall reduction.  This makes it easier for an OLD fart like me to handle - even though I'm 5' 11'+

I've got an 07 KTM 200 XCW and a Yamaha WR250R now so maybe we can do some off road and/or dual sport riding!
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