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« on: September 01, 2010, 12:31:58 PM »

Yamaha Announces 2011 Availability in U.S. Market of Super Ténéré and FZ8

Special order needed for the Super-Ténéré.



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Yamaha made some 2011 model announcements for the U.S. Market this morning.  A number of our readers have expessed an interest in the Super Tenere adventure bike previously available in the European market, only.  Well, Yamaha is bringing the bike to the U.S. for the 2011 model year through a “Priority Delivery Program” at Yamaha dealerships beginning in September.  To get one, you will have to place a $500 deposit with your dealer, and expect delivery of the bike beginning in May of 2011.  The starting U.S. MSRP will be $13,900, and the bike will be available in blue (as pictured above).

The Super Tenere was tested by MD here, and left a quite favorable impression.  It offers huge gas tank capacity and capable handling, both on-road and off.  Yamaha has stressed mass centralization, and the handling prowess of the Super Tenere, and early returns indicate they hit the mark.

Also available in the U.S. for 2011 will be the FZ8 Naked announced last year in Europe.  In many ways, it is a smaller displacement version of the U.S. market FZ1.  At 779cc, it reportedly offers a good mix of low-end torque and high-end pull . . . a merging of the characteristics of 1,000cc nakeds with 600cc nakeds.  We will see what we think when we get a chance to test one.  





http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/09/yamaha-announces-new-2011-star-stryker-and-availability-in-u-s-market-of-super-tenere-and-fz8/
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2010, 12:38:47 PM »

Attention JamesG: here you go.


Seriously, that is good news.
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2010, 12:41:28 PM »

Yamaha USA Super-Tenere Page  - $13,900

Yamaha USA FZ8 Page - $8,490

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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2010, 12:45:02 PM »

The FZ8 makes no sense.  Dealers are giving away FZ1's and it's simply a better bike (If you think a better suspension, less weight and more HP/Torque is "Better").
The Tenere will be tire kicked to death, especially by cheap-ass STN members. Bigsmile
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2010, 12:54:28 PM »

I dunno, I like the FZ8, that's a bike I would put on any short list if/when I'm shopping.
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2010, 12:54:45 PM »


The FZ8 makes no sense.  Dealers are giving away FZ1's and it's simply a better bike (If you think a better suspension, less weight and more HP/Torque is "Better").
The Tenere will be tire kicked to death, especially by cheap-ass STN members. Bigsmile


Ténéré is on a PDP-like program (think FJR when it came to the US), so that's zero risk for Yamaha.  We'll see how the FZ8 goes, but having an FZ6, FZ8, and FZ1 in the lineup long term doesn't seem like a good idea.
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« Reply #6 on: September 01, 2010, 12:54:52 PM »

I won't be tire kicking it, I simply cannot afford it. Poor timing for me.  Headscratch If only I were sleeping on a Donald Trump mattress...

Ah well, in a number of years, when I can get a used unit for half of that, I will likely get one.  Thumbsup

So, bravo Yamaha! I would if I could, but take a raincheck?  Inlove
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2010, 12:55:07 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2010, 01:04:59 PM »



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« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2010, 01:05:10 PM »

Last I checked you couldn't get a Naked FZ6 or FZ1 in the US.  the FZ8 looks like a worthy competitor to the Street Triple - I think it's right there in the sweet spot for a naked bike.

How's the Super stack up against the GS?  I never read any of the reviews because I thought we were never going to get it.
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« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2010, 01:06:58 PM »




We'll see how the FZ8 goes, but having an FZ6, FZ8, and FZ1 in the lineup long term doesn't seem like a good idea.


You forgot the FZ6R.  And the FZ6 is no more - it is not shown on their 2011 line-up.  So it goes: fully-faired 600, naked 800, or half-faired 1000.  That seems pretty diverse to me.
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« Reply #11 on: September 01, 2010, 01:08:47 PM »

FZ8, but no fazer 8 ???   I would have thought that the fazer would do better in the US.   The S10 is VERY tempting !!!
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« Reply #12 on: September 01, 2010, 01:21:32 PM »




Ténéré is on a PDP-like program (think FJR when it came to the US), so that's zero risk for Yamaha.  We'll see how the FZ8 goes, but having an FZ6, FZ8, and FZ1 in the lineup long term doesn't seem like a good idea.



Fine, but this also leads to higher sell prices which will certainly hurt overall sales (Think VMax).  They should commit and stop screwing around.
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How's the Super stack up against the GS?  I never read any of the reviews because I thought we were never going to get it.


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« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2010, 01:35:09 PM »

Hmmmn....if one reads the small print on several 'pre-release' tests, the FZ8's engine is a bored-down FZ1 engine, meaning it will be heavy for its displacement, much different from the upcoming 800cc Trumpets which are bumped-up versions of the light, modern 675 mill or the clean-sheet BMW 800cc engine. Also, the chassis is deemed to be 'very similar' to the FZ1's, so...I don't get it. Almost as heavy as the FZ1, porky engine for its displacement & HP....does nothing for moi.
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« Reply #15 on: September 01, 2010, 01:37:52 PM »


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Oh damn... What am I going to bitch about now?

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« Reply #16 on: September 01, 2010, 01:42:31 PM »


Almost as heavy as the FZ1, porky engine for its displacement & HP....does nothing for moi.


The FZ1 and FZ8 have the same listed wet weight on the website!  It's almost hard to believe.
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The FZ1 and FZ8 have the same listed wet weight on the website!  It's almost hard to believe.


Yeah, it's the odd bird here.  I think the S10 will do fine, especially with PDP.  Those that want one will get one and Yamaha will sell every single one they bring in.

FZ8....??? probably not.
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« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2010, 01:47:16 PM »

If the likes of the Katana and B-King could sell, then 'Mericans will buy FZ8s.
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« Reply #22 on: September 01, 2010, 02:22:13 PM »



Whoa!

$14k is well below what I was expecting on the Tenere if it ever got here.

This is ALL very surprising!
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« Reply #24 on: September 01, 2010, 02:28:09 PM »

14 large for a Super T?  Headscratch Confused

Seems at least 3k too high.  They are in KTM SMT or 990 Adventure territory at the current pricing and I'd rather have a KaToom.
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« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2010, 02:29:17 PM »

Wow, lots of people seem happy the Tenere is coming here. Alright... show of hands... How many of you guys are gonna go plunk down the $$$ to order one.

How many of you are gonna punk out with "Eh... I'll get one used in 3 or 4 years"?
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« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2010, 02:29:26 PM »

No Gen III FJR or cross plane Gen III FZ1..... no care.  I guess nobody except for Ducati felt like giving the public anything cool this year.  I'm still waiting to see what Triumph's got for 2011, though.
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Wow, lots of people seem happy the Tenere is coming here. Alright... show of hands... How many of you guys are gonna go plunk down the $$$ to order one.

How many of you are gonna punk out with "Eh... I'll get one used in 3 or 4 years"?


Actually neither, doesn't appeal to me.  Underpowered and overweight for what I currently would look for in a bike.  Stuck with the MTS for a long time anyway.
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14 large for a Super T?  Headscratch Confused

Seems at least 3k too high.  They are in KTM SMT or 990 Adventure territory at the current pricing and I'd rather have a KaToom.


3k to high???? OK..... $8999.00 for you..... still not happy I bet.  $14k is lower than I bet most of us here thought it would be IF it ever came here. Thanks Yamaha for not being Honda and ignoring our wishes.
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« Reply #29 on: September 01, 2010, 03:27:06 PM »

Anybody know the maintenance schedule on the S10?  Specifically, valve adjustment interval.
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« Reply #30 on: September 01, 2010, 03:31:33 PM »


Anybody know the maintenance schedule on the S10?  Specifically, valve adjustment interval.


"S10"?

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No Gen III FJR or cross plane Gen III FZ1..... no care.  I guess nobody except for Ducati felt like giving the public anything cool this year.  I'm still waiting to see what Triumph's got for 2011, though.


Triumph is the one to watch.  Thumbsup

Re: Yamaha; you're asking for more than they've traditionally delivered, anyway.

The FJR's not due; there's not really a whole lot the bike needs. The incremental changes between the Gen-1 and Gen-2 were nothing ground-breaking, just as the C14 Gen-1 and Gen-2 changes were minor niggling points. In nearly every way that matters, the Concours-14 and the FJR are completely interchangeable, and the stuff the C14 has that the FJR doesn't is a non-issue for most. The ST1300 has been static coming up on a decade(?) and still sells pretty well.

That genre isn't a cutting edge class leading machine like the RR/SS bikes are. The FZ1 has always lagged behind the R1 by some measurable time, so there's nothing to get excited about there; by rote.
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« Reply #32 on: September 01, 2010, 03:42:37 PM »

I know everyone is super excited.  How many are actually going to buy?   Twofinger
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« Reply #33 on: September 01, 2010, 03:43:51 PM »




"S10"?




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« Reply #34 on: September 01, 2010, 03:44:58 PM »




Super Tenere


oooooh, I get it.

that's a dumb name.
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« Reply #35 on: September 01, 2010, 03:46:00 PM »




A Wee with guts; I could see me switching back to Yami...


And about another 100 lbs. of weight for only $6K more.  No thanks.

I'm waiting to see what the Tiger 800 is all about.
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« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2010, 03:47:50 PM »



How's the Super stack up against the GS?  I never read any of the reviews because I thought we were never going to get it.


Every review I've read of the Yam found it disappointing to say the least. In the last multi-bike comparo vs the GS, KTM, Duc it came in last.

Apart from motorcycledaily.  But I've never read them give a bad review to anything.

I'm pretty sure there are some reviews linked in this (the Yam) section..
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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2010, 03:55:09 PM »

Loving both of these new bikes. Glad Yamaha finally noticed that the dualsports/adventure bikes are the upcoming trend in America Smile

Secondly, who let Mr. Sunshine in here?
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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2010, 03:59:32 PM »

I love Yamahas, and that Super Tenere looks awesome.

That said, I won't be buying one.   I own both my bikes outright for under $6000 total, and I just don't see dropping that much dough for another one.
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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2010, 04:04:52 PM »


How many of you are gonna punk out with "Eh... I'll get one used in 3 or 4 years"?


Heck, that's what I always do anyway. Someone else did the PDP with my '03 FJR and then I bought it in '06 for way less bucks.

So, yeah, I'll take the punk out plea now and say there's a good chance I'll be taking a serious look at a 2010 Super Tenere in 2013-2014 (assuming the world doesn't end in 2012).

And I'll also put in my vote that this is great news whether anyone here buys one or not. More choice is almost always a good thing.
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« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2010, 04:09:34 PM »


And about another 100 lbs. of weight for only $6K more.  No thanks.

I'm waiting to see what the Tiger 800 is all about.


Eh, From what we've seen the T8 (to continue the theme) is more in the Versys realm than the GS side.  Not really much of an improvement over my Uly.

But the Super Tenere promises to be a DS FJR.... That might be worth the investment, especially if it doesn't sell well or stays special order and doesn't become common as er.... dirt.
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« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2010, 04:15:18 PM »


Anybody know the maintenance schedule on the S10?  Specifically, valve adjustment interval.


I`d say 26 600 for valve  clearance check,most likely won`t need any actual adjustment till 70-80 k miles.

I think Yamaha missed the boat on this bike, a.k.a. arriving too late.


On my recent cross country road trip I`ve seem only two Charlie and Evan replica teams,,,,,,,drastic decline from previous years.

I think the ADV fad is,well,fading.
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« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2010, 04:24:50 PM »

Only the FZ8 and not the fazer Thumbsdown  Just a tweak of the FZ1 Thumbsdown  Glad I bought the last model year in U.S. of FZ6 for a way awesome price.

Will still keep an eye on the 800 Triumphs coming out in the next couple of weeks but at least I can buy at leasure knowing I'm good with my set of wheels for awhile
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« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2010, 04:43:39 PM »


Wow, lots of people seem happy the Tenere is coming here. Alright... show of hands... How many of you guys are gonna go plunk down the $$$ to order one.
How many of you are gonna punk out with "Eh... I'll get one used in 3 or 4 years"?



I know everyone is super excited.  How many are actually going to buy?   Twofinger


I'll qualify my excitement for Yam's move to bring these two bikes to the States.  First, I'll recap what I've said before about the Super Tenere, I don't like it.  It has poor plastic and radiator placement.  Also, the bike does not work as well as its competitors on paper and that's been summed up by most reviews.  Regarding the FZ8, I think it's a hot bike and would love to ride one some day.  But, I'll not purchase one.

My excitement doesn't come from the the fact that *I* have more choices.  I'm just happy to see new bikes introduced so others have more choices.  If anything, the Super Tenere expands the amount of "Adventure" bikes which brings more attention to the genre.  I would like to see more manufactures do that same to keep BMW, KTM, and (now) Ducati on their toes in the hopes they keep their adventure bikes fresh.

Finally, I hope folks buy these bikes so that other Euro only bikes make it this way.   Bigok
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« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2010, 04:48:12 PM »

Thanks alot Yamaha. For three years I have wrote you letters, made calls and sent emails for the 660 Tenere which would be a KLR650 ass kicker. But noooooo what do we get instead...... this big ass pig of a bike.
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« Reply #45 on: September 01, 2010, 04:58:56 PM »


Thanks alot Yamaha. For three years I have wrote you letters, made calls and sent emails for the 660 Tenere which would be a KLR650 ass kicker. But noooooo what do we get instead...... this big ass pig of a bike.



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« Reply #46 on: September 01, 2010, 05:04:13 PM »

No Fazer8 ABS, which is what I actually wanted.

Would have even settled for the XJ6 Diversion ABS

But no.

We get the FZ8.

Look at this list and tell me you don't want to move and/or hurt people.

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« Reply #47 on: September 01, 2010, 05:40:19 PM »


No Fazer8 ABS, which is what I actually wanted.




I was also hoping for the Fazer8 ABS.

I was ready to buy one if they came to the US.  Now I'm looking forward to the new Triumph 800's.
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Eh, From what we've seen the T8 (to continue the theme) is more in the Versys realm than the GS side.  Not really much of an improvement over my Uly.

But the Super Tenere promises to be a DS FJR.... That might be worth the investment, especially if it doesn't sell well or stays special order and doesn't become common as er.... dirt.


I haven't found jack about the Tiger 800.  Aren't they supposed to be releasing the info today?
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« Reply #49 on: September 01, 2010, 06:22:57 PM »


Thanks alot Yamaha. For three years I have wrote you letters, made calls and sent emails for the 660 Tenere which would be a KLR650 ass kicker. But noooooo what do we get instead...... this big ass pig of a bike.


Agreed, I think.  Also wish we could get a 690 Adventure; but thats another story.
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« Reply #50 on: September 01, 2010, 06:26:32 PM »

I think it's pretty cool they're making both available. I think it's interesting that the naked FZ8 is brought in. The faired bikes are bigger and smaller, and the full on naked is right in between. If I had a jones for a Japanese naked bike, the FZ8 would be right at the top of the list and the price looks good too. But even though I have a Yammie dealer in my town, I wouldn't buy either bike. Why, might you ask?

Because when I buy a new bike again, I'm 99% sure it's gonna be a Triumph.

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« Reply #51 on: September 01, 2010, 06:29:03 PM »

I just looked at the FZ8 wet weight and compared to both the Speed and Street Triples. The FZ8 is 10 pounds HEAVIER than the Speed Triple 1050, and 71 more than the Street Triple 675!
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« Reply #52 on: September 01, 2010, 07:02:04 PM »


On my recent cross country road trip I`ve seem only two Charlie and Evan replica teams,,,,,,,drastic decline from previous years.

I think the ADV fad is,well,fading.


At least in the midwest, I see a ton of thumpers around.

The days of the 20k GSADV with 5k of touratech goodies and 3k each of riding gear may be slowing a bit.
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But the roads aren't getting any better...
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Whoa

$14k is well below what I was expecting on the Tenere if it ever got here.


The only review I glanced at on this bike vs the GS was that the GS was a better value since it come loaded with items you cant get on the S-Tenere for about the same price. The S-Tenere is closer to $20k in Europe I guess?
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I think its fair to put the Super Tenere in the same class as the GS. Its closer to the GS than the VStrom for sure. Way more of an off road bike. The price is right in my opinion. Hell if this were a Honda it would be $20k so quit your bitchen.  Lol

I think the FZ8 is awesome. Not everbody likes freaking plastic on their bikes. I am becoming more of a naked guy myself. Humm that didn't come out right.
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The only review I glanced at on this bike vs the GS was that the GS was a better value since it come loaded with items you cant get on the S-Tenere for about the same price. The S-Tenere is closer to $20k in Europe I guess?


IIRC - The S-Tenere's initial release in Europe for the first year was a special edition that came with all kinds of goodies like hard bags, top case, etc.  Hence the higher price.
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« Reply #56 on: September 01, 2010, 08:35:41 PM »

Too late.Why didn't they announce this in the spring?  Twofinger
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« Reply #57 on: September 01, 2010, 09:24:39 PM »


I just looked at the FZ8 wet weight and compared to both the Speed and Street Triples. The FZ8 is 10 pounds HEAVIER than the Speed Triple 1050, and 71 more than the Street Triple 675!



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« Reply #58 on: September 01, 2010, 09:59:17 PM »

I kinda like the FZ8, I would want more than a flyscreen though. I currently have the FZ6R which is fun and pretty comfortable but in few years hope to do more longer/weekend to week long rides and the FZ8 equipped right seems a good compromise of commute short rides and more serious traveling since I'm really not ready for FJR or the like and the FZ1 for city really doesn't have great low end. Have always liked the Tiger though and an 800cc would be perfect (especially if it's an inch or so lower seat than the 1050).
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« Reply #59 on: September 02, 2010, 03:12:13 AM »

I'm liking that fz8....cheaper insurance than a liter bike, truly a naked bike like from olden times.     Only problem is Yami's got a few left over fz1's that are going for less than the fz8.     Looks wise I think the naked looks much better than the faired fz-1.....still being in love with my money I'd hit the fz1 and call it a day.

That Tenere thing is Clap Beerchug Clap Banana   Kudos to Yamaha for bringing in the forbiden fruit.  
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« Reply #60 on: September 02, 2010, 08:54:43 AM »

I was really hoping that $14k price tag included the bags, skid plate, etc that is coming on the special edition in the EU, but it seems to be the base model.  If it DID come with all those goodies I would be putting my deposit down now, but for $14k and then having to add protection, bags, etc, I think I would just go buy a used GS already set up.
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« Reply #61 on: September 02, 2010, 10:35:36 AM »

I wonder if the FZ8 headlight would bolt on to the FZ1 in place of it's half fairing.
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I wonder if the FZ8 headlight would bolt on to the FZ1 in place of it's half fairing.


The LSL Urban streetlight universal conversion would probably be cheaper and less hassle, and it looks very similar to the Fz8 headlight.
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Triumph is the one to watch.  Thumbsup

Re: Yamaha; you're asking for more than they've traditionally delivered, anyway.

The FJR's not due; there's not really a whole lot the bike needs. The incremental changes between the Gen-1 and Gen-2 were nothing ground-breaking, just as the C14 Gen-1 and Gen-2 changes were minor niggling points. In nearly every way that matters, the Concours-14 and the FJR are completely interchangeable, and the stuff the C14 has that the FJR doesn't is a non-issue for most. The ST1300 has been static coming up on a decade(?) and still sells pretty well.

That genre isn't a cutting edge class leading machine like the RR/SS bikes are. The FZ1 has always lagged behind the R1 by some measurable time, so there's nothing to get excited about there; by rote.


Regarding the FJR vs the C14... You are incorrect. They are not even close on features and they are features that matter. The FJR needs a few improvements.  Wink

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Regarding the FJR vs the C14... You are incorrect. They are not even close on features and they are features that matter. The FJR needs a few improvements.  Wink




Very true statements.  I just rode a 2010 C14 back to back with a Gen II FJR (that had a GP Suspension fork rebuild, Penske shock, and a Corbin seat) and it reminded of the day I compared a ST1100 to a C10, except this time the Kawasaki had the smooth engine, plush ride, and multiple refinements.
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The only review I glanced at on this bike vs the GS was that the GS was a better value since it come loaded with items you cant get on the S-Tenere for about the same price. The S-Tenere is closer to $20k in Europe I guess?
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I think its fair to put the Super Tenere in the same class as the GS. Its closer to the GS than the VStrom for sure. Way more of an off road bike. The price is right in my opinion. Hell if this were a Honda it would be $20k so quit your bitchen.  Lol

I think the FZ8 is awesome. Not everbody likes freaking plastic on their bikes. I am becoming more of a naked guy myself. Humm that didn't come out right.


Exactly, and Exactly.

The price comparos we did when the STEN was introduced for Europe and comparing the prices for competing machines there and here, it was looking like a SOLID $19K here.

And the naked FZ8 is a good choice, IMO. I'm gonna give one a look.

I agree with Doug's statement about more choices for everyone looking is a great thing for the market place; but when the STEN was introduced for Europe there was lots of "not again!" and "I'd buy it if it was coming here" comments. So, I'm curious to see - now that it IS! - how many of those "I'll run out NOW and get one!" people are going to do so.

I expect poor sales, but on the upside, the special order means they'll sell every one they bring here.  Thumbsup
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« Reply #67 on: September 03, 2010, 09:24:41 AM »

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I agree with Doug's statement about more choices for everyone looking is a great thing for the market place; but when the STEN was introduced for Europe there was lots of "not again!" and "I'd buy it if it was coming here" comments. So, I'm curious to see - now that it IS! - how many of those "I'll run out NOW and get one!" people are going to do so.

I expect poor sales, but on the upside, the special order means they'll sell every one they bring here.  Thumbsup



I would have bought one. I waited in the spring to see if they thought about bringing it to the US, but it was pretty clear it wasn't, so I bought the GS. I would have paid a premium (a small premium) for the Yamaha reliabilty. I know, I know, ..... but when you start to resarch all the GS troubles, I wanted something with the utility of the GS, but the reliabilty of a FJR.  It's a little different and unique, so sometimes that comes at a cost also. Guzzi owners know this, I'm sure.
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I would have bought one. I waited in the spring to see if they thought about bringing it to the US, but it was pretty clear it wasn't, so I bought the GS. I would have paid a premium (a small premium) for the Yamaha reliabilty. I know, I know, ..... but when you start to resarch all the GS troubles, I wanted something with the utility of the GS, but the reliabilty of a FJR.  It's a little different and unique, so sometimes that comes at a cost also. Guzzi owners know this, I'm sure.


 Thumbsup Thanks. Absolutely valid points and Yamaha should know they missed sales by announcing it as a Euro only machine a year before the USA release.  Thumbsdown

The "I'll buy one in 3-4 years left over or used" crowd does absolutely NOTHING to convince the MFGs that it's worth bringing a machine to a new market.
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« Reply #71 on: September 03, 2010, 10:44:17 AM »

So you think it's going to be more reliable then the Beemer?  I would think so too but just curious what others think.

What about it being more reliable then the new Triumph 800 coming out?  That's on my radar too but not sure about Triumph reliability.  Never had a problem with my FZ so think I'm kind of spoiled
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So you think it's going to be more reliable then the Beemer?  I would think so too but just curious what others think.

What about it being more reliable then the new Triumph 800 coming out?  That's on my radar too but not sure about Triumph reliability.  Never had a problem with my FZ so think I'm kind of spoiled


Simplicity = reliability.

Yamaha isn't exactly known for tossing gobs and gobs of tech at bikes unless there's a DAMNED good reason for it.

The ABS system on the FJR is very rudimentary yet capable. The ECU on it has, as I understand it, a very segmented code firmware - which means it's built from lots of little bits of simple code. Plus it doesn't do much. The most complicated thing Yamaha's got on any of their bikes, really is the ABS or some of the real top-end stuff on the SS bikes.

So, aside from the engines just grenading due to poor oiling or something, or poorly measured wheel bearings going kaput, I don't see a lot of points of failure. Even their few drive-shaft bikes are of a ridiculously simple, uncomplicated design.
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Simplicity = reliability.

Yamaha isn't exactly known for tossing gobs and gobs of tech at bikes unless there's a DAMNED good reason for it.

The ABS system on the FJR is very rudimentary yet capable. The ECU on it has, as I understand it, a very segmented code firmware - which means it's built from lots of little bits of simple code. Plus it doesn't do much. The most complicated thing Yamaha's got on any of their bikes, really is the ABS or some of the real top-end stuff on the SS bikes.

So, aside from the engines just grenading due to poor oiling or something, or poorly measured wheel bearings going kaput, I don't see a lot of points of failure. Even their few drive-shaft bikes are of a ridiculously simple, uncomplicated design.


Ahem, auto clutch FJR?  Exhaust power valves?  Ride by wire throttle?  Adjusting intake horns?  Just to name a few tech items Yamaha has thrown at us "for no good reason".  Sure they add SOMETHING to the bike, but IIRC no one asked for those items and the bikes without them sure do well enough....

This bike has far more tech than the FJR in the brake department too.

None of this means the bike wont be reliable, but what are you REALLY paying for here?  Like it or not the GS has cache and an amazing AMAZING aftermarket following.  It has tens of thousands of spare parts, new and used available and a support network that would make almost all other bikes pale in comparison.  Plus the GS is proven, on road and off road.

What does this bike bring to the table in the area of aftermarket, support, used part availability?  And if it sells in small numbers here, how does that improve?

Finally, every comparison and test ride of this bike I have read said it was a nice bike, but not the pick of the litter, the GS was, so IMHO = FAIL if you are deciding between this and the GS.

So how would Yamaha turn things around?  A stupid low price or extra/more features to bring buyers, which in turn brings in the aftermarket which then feeds to more buyers, which feeds a used market, which feeds more new buyers and so on.  At that price, while not absurd, it is too close to the GS to make it worth the "risk"....and an the one year warranty is utter BS, if you are targeting potential GS buyers, put your money where your mouth is and offer 2 or 3 year coverage.

Also one final thing to consider, accept it or not this bike HAS to compete with the used market, so that is something else Yamaha should have considered when pricing the bike.  

Bottom line, IMHO this bike at this price with the hard bags and skid plate a great value and would sell, this bike at $11,995 a great value and will sell, at $13,995, tough call, for me, I said no as soon as I saw the price and moved on.
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Ahem, auto clutch FJR?  Exhaust power valves?  Ride by wire throttle?  Adjusting intake horns?  Just to name a few tech items Yamaha has thrown at us "for no good reason".  Sure they add SOMETHING to the bike, but IIRC no one asked for those items and the bikes without them sure do well enough....

This bike has far more tech than the FJR in the brake department too.


Ok, so I was speaking in historical terms. Good point.

The auto clutch was an option; it wasn't shoved down our throats like, say, CANBUS or KiPass was.

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None of this means the bike wont be reliable, but what are you REALLY paying for here?  Like it or not the GS has cache and an amazing AMAZING aftermarket following.  It has tens of thousands of spare parts, new and used available and a support network that would make almost all other bikes pale in comparison.  Plus the GS is proven, on road and off road.

What does this bike bring to the table in the area of aftermarket, support, used part availability?  And if it sells in small numbers here, how does that improve?

Finally, every comparison and test ride of this bike I have read said it was a nice bike, but not the pick of the litter, the GS was, so IMHO = FAIL if you are deciding between this and the GS.


Exactly. Several of the reviews I've read said (paraphrasing, and in the context of $Euro) "It doesn't do anything better than the GS, there's nothing exceptional about it and it's considerably more expensive than the GS."

Price excepted, they're functionally interchangeable and it's new (read as: untested and unsupported)

So, while all of that is true, the lower price point (here in the states) will be a key consideration. At the expected, much higher price point, it would have been a non-starter at the absolute BEST of terms. The measurably lower price gives it some potential for momentum.

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« Reply #76 on: September 03, 2010, 12:16:19 PM »

Remember this bike has been out for several months in the rest of the world so the aftermarket has responded. Those bikes will have been on the road for nearly a year by the time North American buyers get them. Aftermarket will be even stronger then. As per usual, there are several threads on ADVrider including discussion from Euro and Australian owners who have been putting the miles (ok, kilometers) on these bikes. One could gather some information on reliability from them.

I dismissed this bike when it was first announced for the weight and lack of 21/18 tires. I was hoping for a new Tenere rather than a GS. Looking at the specs like ABS, tc, two maps, low center of gravity, long service intervals, spoke wheels that accept tubless tires, foam air filters, decent suspension, big tank, etc, it looks like Yamaha did a pretty good job. Many more features than a V-Strom 1k and priced less than a standard GS. Its not the perfect ADV bike or anything, but its slips into that trailie touring niche really well.
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« Reply #77 on: September 03, 2010, 02:28:01 PM »

Any questions about the new S10?

S10 owner's manual:

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« Reply #79 on: September 03, 2010, 02:57:33 PM »

Did I miss it in the owners manual but I didn't see a listing for a valve check under the maintenance chart....
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« Reply #80 on: September 03, 2010, 03:00:57 PM »


Did I miss it in the owners manual but I didn't see a listing for a valve check under the maintenance chart....


Page 6-3 (page 59 of 106 of the PDF)

It is listed at checks every 24,000 miles.  Which makes it the longest valve check interval listing of all adventure bikes.
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« Reply #81 on: September 03, 2010, 03:03:53 PM »

Must have missed it, thanks.
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« Reply #82 on: September 03, 2010, 03:15:52 PM »

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The long valve check interval, plus the shaft drive, will be strong reasons for riders to consider the Super-Tennie.  At least, that's how I see it.

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« Reply #83 on: September 03, 2010, 03:21:05 PM »



The long valve check interval, plus the shaft drive, will be strong reasons for riders to consider the Super-Tennie.  At least, that's how I see it.



Yup, some of the reasons I'm seriously considering one, but I'll be damned if I'm going to put my money down without at least being able to sit on one first.
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« Reply #84 on: September 03, 2010, 03:32:40 PM »




Yup, some of the reasons I'm seriously considering one, but I'll be damned if I'm going to put my money down without at least being able to sit on one first.


Well you figure they will have one at the upcoming bike shows.  IIRC delivery isn't until next May anyway - 8 months away - so you probably have some time to wait unless you want to be the first on the STN block to have one (in which case I would hate you).
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« Reply #85 on: September 03, 2010, 08:45:00 PM »




The only review I glanced at on this bike vs the GS was that the GS was a better value since it come loaded with items you cant get on the S-Tenere for about the same price. The S-Tenere is closer to $20k in Europe I guess?
Posted on: 01-09-2010, 16:43:27
I think its fair to put the Super Tenere in the same class as the GS. Its closer to the GS than the VStrom for sure. Way more of an off road bike. The price is right in my opinion. Hell if this were a Honda it would be $20k so quit your bitchen.  Lol

I think the FZ8 is awesome. Not everbody likes freaking plastic on their bikes. I am becoming more of a naked guy myself. Humm that didn't come out right.


The review you refer to I think did the euro-dollar conversion and came up with ~$20K for the S-Ten.  I'll bet the result would be different at the announced price...
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« Reply #86 on: September 03, 2010, 09:36:00 PM »


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« Reply #87 on: September 03, 2010, 10:39:45 PM »

I wish gambling was legal I would take bets 75% they stop shipping them here within 12 months 100% within 18 months.  They will take 5-6 years to sell the remaining inventory if they ship more than 8 or so units for the few people here that want one.  more then the 8 the general population will not understand.
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« Reply #88 on: September 04, 2010, 10:14:27 AM »

The Super 10, meh , price is high, reviews are low.
The Fz8 is going to get a look however, I am looking to replace the Speed 3 which is getting long in tooth. Unlike the current Speed triple generation I could throw a set of soft bags on  it, I ride the Speed trip with nothing but a fly screen, would have liked a ABS option , but its not a deal breaker for me. Another choice to look at.  Thumbsup
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« Reply #89 on: September 04, 2010, 03:18:07 PM »


I wish gambling was legal I would take bets 75% they stop shipping them here within 12 months 100% within 18 months.  They will take 5-6 years to sell the remaining inventory if they ship more than 8 or so units for the few people here that want one.  more then the 8 the general population will not understand.


They are only going to import those the are pre-ordered.  Probably why they aren't going to show up for delivery until March 2011.  

Now will they make a profit with US DOT homogulation costs atop the normal sunk and per unit costs? Who knows, but I appreciate Yamaha Co. taking the chance and offering the machine to this market.  
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« Reply #90 on: September 04, 2010, 04:00:49 PM »



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« Reply #91 on: September 04, 2010, 06:14:35 PM »

OK, I watched the whole thing.  Those 1200 are pigs in mud.  Sure you could, buy why?

Did they really need a support truck as well?  Its not like there was any challenging terrain.  

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« Reply #92 on: September 10, 2010, 09:52:16 AM »


I dunno, I like the FZ8, that's a bike I would put on any short list if/when I'm shopping.


Me, too.  Wish they brought the blue we first saw, it is a Yamaha!  Wonder if some bags will fit?
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« Reply #93 on: September 12, 2010, 03:44:21 AM »

I am pretty stoked about the FZ8 coming over, I love naked sport bikes.  The Tenere looks cool if that's your thing, but I prefer the more sport oriented "sport tourer".
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« Reply #94 on: September 22, 2010, 01:14:36 PM »

Ladies and Gentleman!!!

Come Check out the NEW Super Tenere' LIVE IN PERSON  at Stadium Yamaha Thursday, and be the first to throw your leg over one!!!!

The Yamaha Factory will be dropping of a Super Tenere, a new Stryker, and some NEVER BEFORE SEEN UNITS for us to display for the weekend.

Give us a call, and let us know your coming by! We will set up some finger food, possibly some wine, and refreshments for the amount we have RSVP's for.

Thanks!

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« Reply #95 on: September 22, 2010, 01:17:59 PM »

As I stated in my previous Post.....The Super Tenere' will be here at Stadium Yamaha on Thursday for the first official public viewing in the country.

WE WILL ALSO HAVE A NEW FZ8 AND A STRYKER HERE FOR VIEWING!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on by and see us STN Members!

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« Reply #96 on: September 22, 2010, 01:25:53 PM »


As I stated in my previous Post.....The Super Tenere' will be here at Stadium Yamaha on Thursday for the first official public viewing in the country.

WE WILL ALSO HAVE A NEW FZ8 AND A STRYKER HERE FOR VIEWING!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #97 on: September 22, 2010, 02:17:38 PM »


As I stated in my previous Post.....The Super Tenere' will be here at Stadium Yamaha on Thursday for the first official public viewing in the country.

WE WILL ALSO HAVE A NEW FZ8 AND A STRYKER HERE FOR VIEWING!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on by and see us STN Members!

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-1 rep for being SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO EXCITED and coming off like  Crazy Al's Used Car Emporium!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Welcome to STN.  Bigsmile

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« Reply #99 on: September 22, 2010, 03:05:12 PM »

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« Reply #100 on: September 22, 2010, 03:18:47 PM »


As I stated in my previous Post.....The Super Tenere' will be here at Stadium Yamaha on Thursday for the first official public viewing in the country.

WE WILL ALSO HAVE A NEW FZ8 AND A STRYKER HERE FOR VIEWING!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on by and see us STN Members!

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I'd gladly come down to cover the event if our staff could take the STEN and the FZ8 for a ride.
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« Reply #101 on: September 27, 2010, 03:07:03 AM »

I'd really be interested in the FZ8 if it was about 50lbs lighter.  Almost 500lbs is a bit heavy for a bike that's only 125cc bigger than my wifes Street Triple but 75lbs heavier!  Geez yamaha, did you use lead in the frame?
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« Reply #102 on: September 27, 2010, 09:59:08 AM »


I'd really be interested in the FZ8 if it was about 50lbs lighter.  Almost 500lbs is a bit heavy for a bike that's only 125cc bigger than my wifes Street Triple but 75lbs heavier!  Geez yamaha, did you use lead in the frame?


They used an FZ1 block...
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« Reply #103 on: October 28, 2010, 10:47:13 AM »

I see that the Yamaha site now has accessory package pricing.

Check out that huge engine guard!  It's like a kid's head retainer, and it's a whopping $450.  

About $1,520 for the adventure package gets you the side panniers and tank bag.  X-Country Terrain for $750 gets you the engine protection and sump guard.  About $370 for the top case if bought separate, or get the Comfort/Convenience pacakage for another  $1,020 and you get grip heaters too.



So $13,900 is for the base model.  Then if you get the packages, it's $1520+$750+$1,020 = $3290 in packages.  Back-out the overlap items in the Comf/Conv and Adv packages, and that's $3090 over the base price.

So fully equipped it would be about $16,990...  or $17 grand to make it easier to say.
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« Reply #104 on: November 03, 2010, 02:57:55 PM »

I plan on reading this later.  It's Kevin Ash's First Ride on the Super-Ténéré...

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/11/2012-yamaha-super-tenere-first-ride/
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« Reply #105 on: November 04, 2010, 07:26:59 PM »


Check out that huge engine guard!  It's like a kid's head retainer, and it's a whopping $450.  


$450??

I hope they offer a guard for the engine guard...
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I plan on reading this later.  It's Kevin Ash's First Ride on the Super-Ténéré...

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/11/2012-yamaha-super-tenere-first-ride/


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« Reply #107 on: November 04, 2010, 09:03:25 PM »

Another review out:

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2010/11/2012-yamaha-super-tenere-md-first-ride/
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« Reply #108 on: November 05, 2010, 08:58:06 AM »

Kevin Ash's review basically said, "Nice but it's no GS."   Sleepy
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« Reply #109 on: November 05, 2010, 05:01:53 PM »

quote author=Stadium#1 link=topic=56512.msg1312393#msg1312393 date=1285175879]
As I stated in my previous Post.....The Super Tenere' will be here at Stadium Yamaha on Thursday for the first official public viewing in the country.

WE WILL ALSO HAVE A NEW FZ8 AND A STRYKER HERE FOR VIEWING!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on by and see us STN Members!

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« Reply #110 on: November 22, 2010, 04:39:23 PM »


I see that the Yamaha site now has accessory package pricing.

Check out that huge engine guard!  It's like a kid's head retainer, and it's a whopping $450.  

About $1,520 for the adventure package gets you the side panniers and tank bag.  X-Country Terrain for $750 gets you the engine protection and sump guard.  About $370 for the top case if bought separate, or get the Comfort/Convenience pacakage for another  $1,020 and you get grip heaters too.



So $13,900 is for the base model.  Then if you get the packages, it's $1520+$750+$1,020 = $3290 in packages.  Back-out the overlap items in the Comf/Conv and Adv packages, and that's $3090 over the base price.

So fully equipped it would be about $16,990...  or $17 grand to make it easier to say.


Was just looking around for the heck of it and there are dealers offering deep discounts on this thing already... starting MSRP of $12,300... must be questionable market confidence and a healthy margin to play with.
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« Reply #111 on: November 27, 2010, 03:20:15 AM »


Kevin Ash's review basically said, "Nice but it's no GS."   Sleepy


A GSA here costs 25 grand with baggage so this is not a bad deal.
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« Reply #112 on: December 02, 2010, 02:40:00 PM »

FZ8 review c/o OWD.net

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« Reply #113 on: December 03, 2010, 11:36:14 PM »

One Raven Tenere coming up.


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« Reply #114 on: December 05, 2010, 01:26:11 AM »

Another positive review in the dirt...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkrvJZmJZbI
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« Reply #115 on: December 30, 2010, 03:44:05 PM »

FYI

See the ALL NEW 2012 YAMAHA SUPER TENERE Adventure Sport Tourer @ Montgomeryville Cycle Center through Monday January 3, 2011

Limited Engagement  - This bike will only be on our showroom floor through this coming Monday (1/3/11) which means your window of opportunity is short.  This specific bike is NOT FOR SALE however we will be taking orders (only w/deposits) for the first production bikes which are scheduled to begin shipping, on a first come first served basis, in May 2011.  The only other relatively local viewing of this bike will be at the New York International Motorcycle Show January 21-23, 2011 @ the Jacob Javits Center in New York City.

I have no connection with MCC, other than I spend lots of money (relatively lots for me anyway) there.

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« Reply #116 on: December 31, 2010, 07:49:33 PM »

Nice seeing you, Skee.  Thanks for the heads up.  You are looking good on it.  Bigok


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« Reply #117 on: December 31, 2010, 08:00:46 PM »

Thanks again for the ride out, Smoker.   Bigsmile

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« Reply #118 on: January 01, 2011, 01:32:23 PM »

Not quite ready to order one yet.  I forgot to ask Zeke to take the bags off so we could see what it looked like without the steamer trunks.

Yesterday goes down in my little black record book as shortest group ride ever; maybe all of 1.5 miles from MCC to the diner.  

Good seeing ya'll again - funny running into Lisa & her husband there - was a good lunch.
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« Reply #119 on: January 01, 2011, 09:39:38 PM »


Thanks again for the ride out, Smoker.   Bigsmile


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« Reply #120 on: January 01, 2011, 10:42:59 PM »

I put my deposit down on 12/16/10, I will probably keep my current '08 Kawasaki 1400 Concours until I decide if I am going to be happy on the Super Tenere.  Headscratch
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« Reply #121 on: January 03, 2011, 09:51:37 AM »


Not quite ready to order one yet.  I forgot to ask Zeke to take the bags off so we could see what it looked like without the steamer trunks.

Yesterday goes down in my little black record book as shortest group ride ever; maybe all of 1.5 miles from MCC to the diner.  

Good seeing ya'll again - funny running into Lisa & her husband there - was a good lunch.


I had the salesguy open up the cases.  They are not very huge, nor did they give the impression of hardcore durability.  Plus the guy had a deal of a time getting the latch and key to work right.  I would not jump immediately on the OEM sidecases.  

I enjoyed when they started it up for us.  As articles have said, the firing order of the twin cylinders are timed to sound sort of like a huge thumper.  I liked the meaty sound of it.

I thought the small headlights looked questionable given the girth of the front of the bike.  I'd hope they do a good job, but they look like projection cut-offs that may not be greatest at night.

Overall my impression of the bike was pretty favorable.  I like the Dakar styling, large tank, and the shaft-drive is not overly huge.

Lucky guy, Lord Jim!
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« Reply #122 on: January 03, 2011, 10:45:20 AM »

Looks like a nice alternative to a GS, but I'd have to add a third wheel to most bikes this big...
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« Reply #123 on: January 03, 2011, 02:19:18 PM »


I had the salesguy open up the cases.  They are not very huge, nor did they give the impression of hardcore durability.  Plus the guy had a deal of a time getting the latch and key to work right.  I would not jump immediately on the OEM sidecases.  


I haven't seen the OEM side cases but have heard what you experienced.  

I am planning to get Micatech V2 panniers for mine.  
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« Reply #124 on: July 27, 2011, 09:45:49 AM »

Just an FYI -

The Super Tenere's have hit the warehouses and are scheduled to hit the dealers this week or next.  Bigok
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« Reply #125 on: July 27, 2011, 11:15:03 AM »


Just an FYI -

The Super Tenere's have hit the warehouses and are scheduled to hit the dealers this week or next.  Bigok


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« Reply #126 on: July 27, 2011, 11:26:52 AM »

Sounds like the tsunami did not delay the deliveries much?

Don't forget to post pics, Gat!  
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« Reply #127 on: July 27, 2011, 11:33:41 AM »


Sounds like the tsunami did not delay the deliveries much?

Don't forget to post pics, Gat!  


The original delivery date was May so the delay wasn't too bad.  

I will be sure to post pictures!  Some stock pics and after all the farkles are on, I've been collecting parts since March.
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