New Triumph Trophy.....

[Croak]

The problem is, the 1050 is already stroked to hell and back, remember it started as an 885, stroked to 955, then stroked to 1050.  The block won't support much in the way of boring either.

Long story longer, they've pretty much come to end of life with the 885-based motor, the next big triple will need to be a clean sheet.  

[BobW]

^ That's my understanding as well. The 675 has a whole generation of improvements that allowed for the current 800 where as the current 1050 is maxed and they're due for a whole new "big" motor " to meet future applications as well as noise/emissions. Real Big is no problem either with a few Rocket engineers in the house looking to create the next new killer 3  

[GRN]

^ That's my understanding as well. The 675 has a whole generation of improvements that allowed for the current 800 where as the current 1050 is maxed and they're due for a whole new "big" motor " to meet future applications as well as noise/emissions. Real Big is no problem either with a few Rocket engineers in the house looking to create the next new killer 3  

Croak - I forgot the progression leading to the 1050, I agree, makes sense that it's at it's end. You mentioning that actually scuffs a dim memory of reading something quoting Triumph along the same lines regarding the development of the new mill.

I don't see them going super big though... 10 years ago the market was asking for more power, and displacements expanded. Now we're making more power than you really need. A 560 lb VFR 1200 with 172 hp/92 lb.-ft. could (should) be the new platform for Honda ST... why?... because it will weigh in well south of the current ST1300's portly 720+ lb, and run circles around the 110 hp/88 ft-lb R1200RT. The current market wants lighter and in the premium ST segment the RT is the target. Given the love or hate character of the boxer and residual paranoia about their final drive, it's an easy target when you aim a Triumph Triple at it. To really hit the mark in the ST market I believe the emphasis has to be a balance between additional power and moderate weight, the segment already has its quota of whales. Given what we have seen Triumph do in the last few years, I believe that's the direction they will take... it would certainly be consistent with the development of the Tiger 800 targeting the 800GS, and done quite well to boot.

[BobW]

I agree with the target you describe (I was simply giving a little acknowledgement that Triumph certainly could go as big or bigger than any other OEM). I was very happy with my Sprint, yet the new GT doesn't "do it" for me and I was hoping for a new Trophy class bike when they gave us the T-Bird (great bike with modern tech, wrong platform for me). Triumph also has a great conquest sales opportunity with a top notch offering if BMW retires the remaining K-1300 bikes. The 6 is a very interesting and powerful motor, but it's complexity and HUGE platform will help create a bigger void in their ST coverage if the S joins the GT. Not every rider wants a 2 wheeled BMW Buick.

Good times ahead if the economy can give them the needed sales.

Cheers

[rgbeard]

I'll be "second in line", or more accurately, "in line for a second (hand)."

So far I've made it to age 43 without ever purchasing a brand-new vehicle.  I guess I'm allergic to the first years of depreciation and especially allergic to dealing with the games that dealerships play.

So I'll let someone buy one of these in late 11 or early 12, and look for them to have their wife lay down the law.

Those wives are my best friends in a transaction such as this.  

[stevent]

I don't mind paying new prices but I usually try to find a leftover, I save a couple of bucks that way and the dealers are usually more willing to wheel and deal to move last years product. My '02 Trophy was a leftover, likewise my '09 GS and in fact most of the other new bikes I've bought.

I remember now how Triumph said they were sticking to twins and triples, I had forgotten. I actually thought they might have dusted off the design for the 1400 4cyl they had a few years back.....time will tell and a large triple would certainly be cool too. I'm pretty pumped to see what they come out with..

[GRN]

I don't mind paying new prices but I usually try to find a leftover, I save a couple of bucks that way and the dealers are usually more willing to wheel and deal to move last years product. My '02 Trophy was a leftover, likewise my '09 GS and in fact most of the other new bikes I've bought.

I remember now how Triumph said they were sticking to twins and triples, I had forgotten. I actually thought they might have dusted off the design for the 1400 4cyl they had a few years back.....time will tell and a large triple would certainly be cool too. I'm pretty pumped to see what they come out with..

Agreed, late fall purchases on second year of the generation models of my ST13 and Sprint ST saved me over $5K in two years... that funds a few nice long rides!  

[camaroz1985]

I'm trying to convince my step father to wait another year (or until the fall, whenever they are available).  He is wanting to replace his Thunderbird (I think its a '99), and I think this would be the perfect bike for him as he is looking for something sporty, but still comfortable.  He is going to look at the Sprint GT, but I think that will be too sporty for him, and he will end up on a cruiser again because he didn't wait for what looks like an excellent fit for him.  Especially because there is nothing wrong with the Thunderbird, he just has the itch for a new bike.

This is going to be a 2012 right?

He couldn't wait.  Bought a 2008 Rocket III with less than 3K miles.

[GRN]

He couldn't wait.  Bought a 2008 Rocket III with less than 3K miles.

Nothin' wrong w/ that.

[BlueRidgeKat]

Any new information on the Trophy? Theres got to be some more pics out there somewhere.

[CGameProgrammer]

I too am eager to see what Triumph does with this bike, but no, no news. Hopefully Triumph will release more information later this year, as opposed to abandoning or postponing the bike like Honda did with the VFR1200T (though admittedly only sketches of the latter where shown, versus an actual working prototype in the case of the Trophy).

[GRN]

I too am eager to see what Triumph does with this bike, but no, no news. Hopefully Triumph will release more information later this year, as opposed to abandoning or postponing the bike like Honda did with the VFR1200T (though admittedly only sketches of the latter where shown, versus an actual working prototype in the case of the Trophy).

The ST13 is done, and like the transition from the ST11 they are not offering a "new" model this year while dealers clear the leftover 2010's out. There is no official word yet on the "new" ST, but there is official word on a new "P" (police) variant on the 1200 platform that is not a VFR, and appears to be very ST like. We may finally see Honda's new ST offering announced at the end of this year. Hopefully, like versions past, we don't have to wait a year while listening to Europe gloat about how great it is. If they had done it a year ago I might have been interested...

[GRN]

One point forgotten in the previous post... from what I heard the VFR1200 in it's current configuration will not be in the 2012 line up...

[BlueRidgeKat]

One point forgotten in the previous post... from what I heard the VFR1200 in it's current configuration will not be in the 2012 line up...

Doesnt surprise me, this thing was a flop from the beginning.

[GRN]

Doesnt surprise me, this thing was a flop from the beginning.

No doubt... only one of four Honda dealers I frequent have ever sold one, and only one... they sell more NT's and DN's!  

[Rincewind]

New pic, though I think it's from the original set previously linked in this thread... source

[sammyseaman]

New pic, though I think it's from the original set previously linked in this thread... source

 

[ANZAC]

Oh yes - please bring this bike over  

Make sure you hang some Union Jacks on it too just like the old Trophy's  

[tigertom1965]

That last picture is N..I..C..E!!!!
When I saw the original pictures it looked too much like the size of the ST1300.
That looks like it should be smaller and does look a lot like my R1200RT.
The original links said it would be 1200cc and possible going to 1400cc if needed.
I am starting to dig the 2011 1050 Sprint GT though. I would definately need a Scottoiler though. The GT is 581 (Or 591?) lbs wet so what would this new Trophy 1200 weigh? I am guessing over 600 lbs which is too much weight for me and the costs would be much higher since the research costs would be tacked on since it is new.
I certainly hope they keep the GT for sale for awhile after the Trophy comes out. I may just think about trading to the GT but the trophy will be too much weight and money for me.

[caddydaddy]

I certainly hope they keep the GT for sale for awhile after the Trophy comes out.

Since they got rid of the ST, I'd think they'd keep the GT for those who want a lighter Sport-Touring bike.