Would the FJR be as good a touring bike if it were smaller?

[county]

Well?

Comments are welcome

This poll is optional

[stealth1]

Would a rock be a potato if it had eyes?

[RiderCoach]

I get all the fjr bashing... don't mind, I'm cool.

But on the weight issue... hell it almost feels light compared to my old st1300! that fuckn' thing was a beast!! but I would prefer it to be lighter still.

I think we all know though, once these bikes get rolling the weight isn't really noticeable (but be damn careful when going slow or stopping!).

[MadOzodi]

Oh boy...

In Before The ST.N Winter Crazies Cause Another Member To Pull A Chornbe/JustCallMeChris (or IBTSWCCAMTPAC/J for short)

 

I voted "Probably".  I do, however, think you should clarify the parameters for "smaller".

[Bounce]

Typical of the ignored creator of the thread... no entry for NO.  

[UFO]

This poll is optional

Thanks bro.

[Mr.Black]

Where's the I'd rather drive a Miata option?

[desert_rider]

Where's the I'd rather drive a Miata option?

Well... a Miata is lighter.

[schmii]

Where's the option to wish my current bike was as "light" as a FJR  

[BentAero]

As a recovering ST1300 owner, the FJR is light.
As a SV650S owner, the FJR is heavy.
Take your pick.
Where is the "no" option?

[stromgal]

Ya no puede caminar.

[Mr.Black]

Ya no puede caminar.

I wish you would stop making me look stuff up.

[5nines]

I wish it was bigger!
not heavier, not any different rider position, just over all scaled up a bit.

At 6'5" I am really tired of all the hobbit sized performance bikes out there

and BTW there is no larger size option on your poll

[county]

A lot of comments on the options.  Some complaints.

I list what I consider to be the likely options when I do a poll.  I have a great deal of experience doing polls.  Much formal training in statistics and statistical analysis.  The invitation to comment means comments on the FJR, not comments on the poll. So, you need to shut up and vote.

[Ack535]

I'm staying out of this one...

[Mr.Black]

A lot of comments on the options.  Some complaints.

I list what I consider to be the likely options when I do a poll.  I have a great deal of experience doing polls.  Much formal training in statistics and statistical analysis.  The invitation to comment means comments on the FJR, not comments on the poll. So, you need to shut up and vote.

I vote County For Moderator!!!!

[county]

I vote County For Moderator!!!!

Well, if I was moderator I never would have moved the FJR Angst thread outta GD.  

[5nines]

 So, you need to shut up and vote.

did I mention I am 6'5"

[county]

did I mention I am 6'5"

Well, that doesn't entitle you to more than one vote.

[Bounce]

A lot of comments on the options.  Some complaints.

I list what I consider to be the likely options when I do a poll.  I have a great deal of experience doing polls.  Much formal training in statistics and statistical analysis.  The invitation to comment means comments on the FJR, not comments on the poll. So, you need to shut up and vote.

I vote County For Moderator!!!!

i'm glad i have him set for IGNORE when i see quotes like this.

don't comment on the poll because it's assine and biased. if what he said is true then he knew it when he posted it. even more reason to ignore him.

[Papa Lazarou]

don't comment on the poll because it's assine and biased. if what he said is true then he knew it when he posted it. even more reason to ignore him.

But you did  

[BlueRidgeKat]

I agree with some of the others, compared to the ST1300 the FJR is a petite and nimble little thang.

That said, I think Yamaha will come out with an updated FJR within two years and it will be as big or bigger/heavier as the ST1300.

And that said.............. screw both of them..... I'm waiting on the new Triumph Trophy.

[county]

I vote County For Moderator!!!!

i'm glad i have him set for IGNORE when i see quotes like this.

don't comment on the poll because it's assine and biased. if what he said is true then he knew it when he posted it. even more reason to ignore him.

I am real sorry that you have me on ignore.  Is there anything I can do to restore harmony between us?

(I am gonna need somebody to quote this so he can see it.)

[pcrdude]

I won't quote for you, but you might want to cultivate some new brain cells when it comes to motorcycle classification.

Just sayin'
 

[ajf]

I list what I consider to be the likely options when I do a poll.  I have a great deal of experience doing polls.  Much formal training in statistics and statistical analysis.

Your specialty wouldn't happen to be political polls?

Just wondering.  

[Papa Lazarou]

I am real sorry that you have me on ignore.  Is there anything I can do to restore harmony between us?

(I am gonna need somebody to quote this so he can see it.)

There

[Bounce]

But you did  

the dychotomy that is me.
Posted on: February 11, 2011, 12:03:11 PM

There

what would undo what you've done to get to this point?

[Papa Lazarou]

the dychotomy that is me.
Posted on: February 11, 2011, 12:03:11 PM


what would undo what you've done to get to this point?

Good grief, you are attractive.  

[Andrew]

OK County the FJR would be a good ST if it were smaller but the rider would have to be less than 5'4" tall

OH wait it would be a good STer for County then

[county]

I see what you did there and it is not very funny....

[DaleFranks]

I list what I consider to be the likely options when I do a poll.  I have a great deal of experience doing polls.  Much formal training in statistics and statistical analysis.

As it happens, so do I.  So I find it interesting that you don't have a negative option on your poll.  All of your answers are positive. So, you've constructed a poll where every answer is that the FJR would be a better tourer if it was "smaller" (whatever that means. Weight? Physical size? Both?). You haven't provided anyone the option of saying that a smaller FJR would be worse. You've essentially constructed a polls that assures you will get the answer you want.

In any event, it might be interesting to ask if the FJR could be smaller, and be the same bike.

Engine: 250lbs
Frame: 200 lbs
Wheels: 100 lbs
Fuel/Fluids: 50lbs
Bags: 15lbs
Fairings: 25lbs

So, we're at 640 lbs wet--about 40lbs shy of the actual weight--just in the weight of basic components.

Given an engine of a certain displacement, and a frame to support a certain gross weight, the bike's weight and size are pretty much a given, aren't they? So, where are your weight or size savings?

[county]

 You've essentially constructed a polls that assures you will get the answer you want.

Not true. I have constructed a poll with a variety of right answers.  Everybody wins and everybody is right.

And with the exception of a few malcontents, everybody is happy

[g8rdude]

Coming off a Stratoliner the FJR would feel light as a feather.

[snopro67]

Yep, for sure. Make it an 800 and lose 50 lbs and it would be perfect.

[SLK50]

Yep, for sure. Make it an 800 and lose 50 lbs and it would be perfect.

  Then it would be even slower than that anemic VFR.

  No thanks.

[Baz]

County needs to see a professional about his FJR and man parts envy problem.  

[SoCal STrider]

the FJR is perfect the way it is.I for one prefer a bigger bike,,, obviously considering both my street bikes are huge. I rode a friends 600 and it was way to small for me.. almost went for the Honda NV700T for commuting but couldn't wrap my mind around the lack of hp... very happy dragging my knee on the ST...

[f6rider]

As a former Valkyrie rider, where's the "this bike is already small and light" button?

[cb919er]

I don't think a bike has to be heavy to be a good touring bike. I don't get to take and real long trips like I want to, (not yet anyway) but I love spending all day in the saddle on my 919. It's a lot light than the FJR, even with my luggage fully loaded...

[See red]

I had an FJR, I think it is one of the lightest for the catagory it sits in. Go ride a Triumph 1050ST, weighs a little less but more top heavy, ST1300..... Gaud you are doing leg presses, K1200gt... ok, I like em, but, not any better.


If you want a light FJR, go buy the fz6r, add bags and rewind the stator, then add a decent windshield, to be honest, it feels similar, just a little lighter. I know, I have one, and, had one.

[roadstar]

I`m new here & can spot a wish i owned an FJR pole a mile away    If it was lighter there would be alot of blackbeagles (or what ever Honka calls them)    up for sale.  

[sprocket]

I`m new here & can spot a wish i owned an FJR pole a mile away    If it was lighter there would be alot of blackbeagles (or what ever Honka calls them)    up for sale.  

Nope...somewhere along the way this guy develops a hard-on that FJR's should not be called a Sport-Touring bikes! The real beauty of that is...he has no reputation for being any kind of rider at all! It would be different if he was an experianced rider. This is classic poser stuff, a keyboard rider! And he does lots of it!

[davemeister]

Naw. then it would be a sport -touer

[greywolf]

Smaller , no .. lighter  yes .  

   a nice carbon fiber frame and wheels , and body , lighter exhaust .. ..of course the price would be as much as a Harley then...

[DaisyCutter]

If a FJR were lighter, it would be a Sprint ST.

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[olsonm3915]

I voted 'probably' but only because there wasn't a button for 'no'.  Most bikes feel too small and cramped to me.  My FJR feels just about right.  Is it heavier than it needs to be?  Yep.  Is it more touring and less sport?  Definitely.  But I really don't care if it can go head-to-head with a GSX-R1000 or an R1.  If I wanted that, I'd buy one of those. It's a great touring machine with reasonably good handling and plenty of power and it fits me.  I really don't care about what the rest of the world thinks of it- they're not riding my bike, I am.

[HipGnosis]

I voted 'probably' but only because there wasn't a button for 'no'.  Most bikes feel too small and cramped to me.  My FJR feels just about right.  Is it heavier than it needs to be?  Yep.  Is it more touring and less sport?  Definitely.  But I really don't care if it can go head-to-head with a GSX-R1000 or an R1.  If I wanted that, I'd buy one of those. It's a great touring machine with reasonably good handling and plenty of power and it fits me.  I really don't care about what the rest of the world thinks of it- they're not riding my bike, I am.

[Sprintboy]

I think the FJR is a great touring bike.  It would be sportier if it were lighter.  Then again, so would I.

[pcrdude]

I think the FJR is a great touring bike.  It would be sportier if it were lighter.  Then again, so would I.

County Sock Puppet.

 

[NoGear]

Everyone is missing the real question. If it was lighter would it be as durable and bulletproof as it is now?  This year I've seen two FJRs with over 100K miles on them for sale. I haven't seen any other bikes with that kind of mileage on them for sale in this category. (Goldwings are NOT Sport-tourers).....

[98stage2]

I took one out for a test ride recently and after being on a VFR it felt biggie-sized. I'm sure I would get used to it, it just seemed like a marked increase in size.

[Papa Lazarou]

C'mon folks, let's be real about the FJR.

It's an overweight pile of shite.

[darty411]

Road and enjoyed my FJR, but looking at the bmw this time...

[blackjaxx]

I like my FJR and I am only 5'8". I guess most sport touring bikes would be large for me.

[veefer800canuck]

Y'all need to ride one of these and an FJR back to back:

[02Tac]

I would love to see an FJR, or Honda St as a 750.  For me, I really do not need the power the bigger motors (even if I do have a 1200 bandit) offer and do not plan on any 2up touring.  The lighter weight, better mileage and cheaper insurance would be great.

[See red]

minnie fjr?










I would think this would be as close as I found thus far. It is 400lbs. and is capable of runnin g across the country, bags up with as much storage, and I have a windscreen that does a hell of a job getting the air off my chest.

[MDHCO]

I suppose if you limit yourself to pushing one around the parking lot.  

[Cablebandit]

Did you fill the frame with helium?  Yamaha lists it at 470 pounds without the 60 pounds of bags and racks I see on there.

[MDHCO]

Or park it on your foot.  

[aviationfred]

I am new to this group. My 2 cents worth is..... I really like the looks of the first gen of FJR's. I am 5'7" and I have sat on a 2012 FJR, it was a bit tall in the seat for me. The FJ1200 that I currently own has a lower seat hight that fits me better.



With full luggage


With no luggage

[Papa Lazarou]

I am new to this group.

Yes you are.  









It's a running joke on STN. Started by County. FJRs are fat and heavy.

[FJRider]

C'mon folks, let's be real about the FJR.

It's an overweight pile of shite.

This I don't get.

Honda ST1300 - 730 lbs
Kawasaki Concours 14 - 688 lbs
BMW R1200RT - 580 lbs
BMW K1600GTL - 768 lbs
Triumph Trophy SE - 662 lbs
Yamaha FJR1300 - 637 lbs

[Papa Lazarou]

+1 to you for doing research!

[PatM]

Yes you are. 









It's a running joke on STN. Started by County. FJRs are fat and heavy.

I beg to differ. It's not fat and heavy. It's just pudgy. 
It's a 640 pounds ballerina. 

[02Tac]

If a FJR were lighter, it would be a GSX1250SA.

Fixed

[chadhargis]

I recently picked up a Ninja 1000. It reminds me a lot of my FJR only about 130lbs lighter. Very comfortable riding position. Seat needs help, but so does the stock seat on an FJR.

[02Tac]

I would like to see a ST machine in the 650cc-750cc range. Why? Because for one up STing I really do not need the power and speed of a 1300 class machine. I want something like this - http://www.cfmoto-us.com/onroad/details.aspx?productId=32 - from a major manufacturer. Heck, I would even consider that one if the support was there. A Trophy 800 would be really nice!  

[SLK50]

I would like to see a ST machine in the 650cc-750cc range. Why? Because for one up STing I really do not need the power and speed of a 1300 class machine. I want something like this - http://www.cfmoto-us.com/onroad/details.aspx?productId=32 - from a major manufacturer. Heck, I would even consider that one if the support was there. A Trophy 800 would be really nice!  

( cough ) Honda's new CTX ( cough )

[sprint_st]

The answer is NO, because it wouldn't be an FJR.  The FJR is an FJR with all the good and bad attributes that come with the name.  Like it, don't like, that is YOUR decision.  You "can" go touring on an R1, Gold Wing, or even a moped but most "rational" people would say the FJR is a pretty good "sport" tourer, as is!  Then again, how many people on this or just about any other sport touring forum leave their bikes stone cold stock?  Most of us would take a 150lb lighter FJR and pack 200lbs of crap on it.  Soooooo, IMO this post was just a bit of trolling to stir some pretty useless comments (I'm sure it is entertaining to some readers).

By the way I traded my excellent 06 FJR for a 1050 Tiger because it was about 150lbs lighter.  I toured on both.

[Papa Lazarou]

I miss County.  

[SouthernCruizer]

This is my first post. I am a Sport-Touring.net virgin. My man meat is also probably bigger than yours.  
The Yamaha FJR 1300™ is probably the world's best motorcycle. If you disagree, you may have rabies or suffer from some as yet undiscovered STD.
My first FJR was a Gen I, 2004 model, purchased with only 2500 miles on it. I put an additional 43K miles in 3 yrs, 6 months, and sold it. I bought a 2008 Gen II FJR with the proceeds. I am a genius. I proceeded to put 88K trouble free miles on it in 4 yrs, 1 month, and just last month, on Jan 12th, I traded it against a shiny new Gen III 2013 FJR 1300. As of today, Feb 26, I have 3K miles on it.  So far, so good.
I also have a 2004 Suzuki Wee Strom, and consider it to be the 2nd best motorcycle in the world. If you disagree, see above for the diagnosis. My 3rd bike in the stable is a Suzuki GSX 650F, almost a mini FJR. Having said that, it's really too light for serious sport touring duty, in my not so humble opinion.

I look forward to seeing much wisdom and drama here. Please do not let me down in this respect. Signing off from da swamps of south louisiana, pass a good time, sha!

[Slartibartfast]

I look forward to seeing much wisdom and drama here. Please do not let me down in this respect. Signing off from da swamps of south louisiana, pass a good time, sha!

You're in the wrong place for the former, but definitely the right place for the latter.

The FJR is an excellent touring bike, almost on par with the GL 1800.

Where the hell is County? Should someone check with his Mom and see if he's decaying at the keyboard in her basement?

[sprint_st]

Jay,
I AM going to disappoint you.  I agree with all your pics and ranking FOR YOU!  If County or me or anyone else doesn't like your choice, f'em.  I think I clearly stated in a previous post my position on the original question.  I would like to say that the Gen III has to be classified as one of best sport tourers on the market although I would be calling Cogent or Traxxion to upgrade the suspension.  As far as I'm concerned no ST bike comes with an adequate suspension for industrial size people (anyone over 175 lbs).
Rod

[Dan K]

I would like to see a ST machine in the 650cc-750cc range. Why? Because for one up STing I really do not need the power and speed of a 1300 class machine. I want something like this - http://www.cfmoto-us.com/onroad/details.aspx?productId=32 - from a major manufacturer. Heck, I would even consider that one if the support was there. A Trophy 800 would be really nice!  

WTF is that?

- Dan

[motormike]

WTF is that?

- Dan

I think it's a Chinese parts-o-caster.

http://www.cfmoto-us.com/about/

[02Tac]

What Motormike said, but even so it is what I would like to see one of the mainline companies make.

WTF is that?

- Dan

[Cablebandit]

[Chuck 500]

I would like to see a ST machine in the 650cc-750cc range. Why? Because for one up STing I really do not need the power and speed of a 1300 class machine. I want something like this - http://www.cfmoto-us.com/onroad/details.aspx?productId=32 - from a major manufacturer. Heck, I would even consider that one if the support was there. A Trophy 800 would be really nice!  

Honda NT700V, if you can find one.  I have 39,000 miles on mine in two years.  I am medium mileage compared to some.

[motormike]

Honda NT7800VFR

 

[Chuck 500]

Touche'

[02Tac]

Honda NT700V, if you can find one.  I have 39,000 miles on mine in two years.  I am medium mileage compared to some.

Considered it, but (IMHO) they buggered up the front fairing. If they would have left ti looking like a smaller ST instead of using a partial and swooped back lower fairing it would have looked right.

[Silverbird]

It would be a better touring bike if it was lighter but not that much lighter.  All that weight makes it an absolute bullet when you want to be.

The only solution is to have an FJR and something nimble like a Versys or SV650.