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VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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March 16, 2011, 05:56:01 PM »
Browsing cycletrader.com I saw that there are a few shops selling the VFR12 for $12K.
Don't know what the final OTD price is but this still sounds like a screaming deal.
1200cc V4 140rwhp shaft drive ABS brakes for $12K...
The Suzuki GSXR600 is $11.6K fercryinoutloud!
Doods, that is a deal.
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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My local dealer didn't even order one.
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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March 16, 2011, 07:21:39 PM »
My local dealer has two or three. I should go sit on them to see how they feel out of curiosity and check their price.
I agree they seem like a good deal at that price, but I'm not in the market for a bike of that caliber.
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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March 16, 2011, 10:30:47 PM »
Great time to be in the market for a new ride.
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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March 16, 2011, 10:53:18 PM »
Should send out a message to all of us not to buy something in the 1st model year release.
I have always thought that bike was way over priced initially. I remember it's debut at the bike show here. People laughed pretty loudly when the price was mentioned by the Honda Rep. I hoped that he took the message to his bosses.
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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Quote from: atadaskew on March 16, 2011, 05:56:01 PM
Doods, that is a deal.
Just buy one already!
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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Quote from: Rogue on March 18, 2011, 10:32:39 AM
Just buy one already!
He should. It's quite scooter-like.
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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March 18, 2011, 11:07:06 AM »
Quote from: scottzilla on March 18, 2011, 10:35:04 AM
He should. It's quite scooter-like.
When ya already got da real thing, who needs an imitation?
Maybe if this VFR came out 5 years ago, as it should have, it could have taken a slice out of Vespa's market...
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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March 18, 2011, 04:14:23 PM »
12k is an excellent price for that bike.
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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March 18, 2011, 04:48:57 PM »
I sat on one today. Not bad. It was $14.5K.
The $12K one above is used in Texas with only several hundred miles...don't remember exactly.
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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March 18, 2011, 06:17:27 PM »
I got mine for less than $15k OTD with the bags. ...maybe not a screaming deal, but fair. The bike is awesome; no regrets at all!!!
If you could find one for $12k OTD, that *would* be a screaming deal!!!
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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Quote from: motormike on March 18, 2011, 04:48:57 PM
I sat on one today. Not bad. It was $14.5K.
The $12K one above is used in Texas with only several hundred miles...don't remember exactly.
Nope, there are a bunch new for $12K
http://www.cycletrader.com/find/listing/2010-Honda-VFR1200F--97493027
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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Quote from: ZenMoto on March 18, 2011, 06:17:27 PM
... The bike is awesome; no regrets at all!!!
Sweet!, glad you're enjoying your new purchase. I gotta give you props for your photography as well, that's a sweet shot of the machine. Doesn't quite fit for inline post on my laptop, need to pan back and forth, but opening up as an image in a separate window, I can take it all in
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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Quote from: atadaskew on March 19, 2011, 11:20:27 PM
Nope, there are a bunch new for $12K
http://www.cycletrader.com/find/listing/2010-Honda-VFR1200F--97493027
Yeah. I looked, but I said didn't remember exactly. I use Cycle Trader all the time for searching for fun, but their mobile site doesn't work as well as their regular site so maybe I looked on my phone.
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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Quote from: ZenMoto on March 18, 2011, 06:17:27 PM
I got mine for less than $15k OTD with the bags. ...maybe not a screaming deal, but fair. The bike is awesome; no regrets at all!!!
If you could find one for $12k OTD, that *would* be a screaming deal!!!
Great pic! Is that the Carrizo Plains?
I see you're in Moorpark, did you get the bike local?
I think $15K otd with bags is a very good deal, seeing the MSRP is $16K w/o bags
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March 20, 2011, 12:33:23 PM »
That, sir, is an outstanding photo - and a great looking bike.
Quote from: ZenMoto on March 18, 2011, 06:17:27 PM
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March 21, 2011, 06:31:30 PM »
Saw one on eBay in arkansa for 10k plus fees
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Quote from: ZenMoto on March 18, 2011, 06:17:27 PM
Something about this pic and the reflection off the headlight and windscreen screams to me 'Flight of the Navigator'
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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Quote from: atadaskew on March 19, 2011, 11:20:27 PM
Nope, there are a bunch new for $12K
http://www.cycletrader.com/find/listing/2010-Honda-VFR1200F--97493027
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Quote from: GTS_Rider on March 20, 2011, 12:10:56 AM
Sweet!, glad you're enjoying your new purchase. I gotta give you props for your photography as well, that's a sweet shot of the machine. Doesn't quite fit for inline post on my laptop, need to pan back and forth, but opening up as an image in a separate window, I can take it all in
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The bike's so clean on a dirt road!
I saw one at the local Honda dealer and the paint is amazing. No wonder Honda was bragging about how smooth it is
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Quote from: ZenMoto on March 18, 2011, 06:17:27 PM
I got mine for less than $15k OTD with the bags. ...maybe not a screaming deal, but fair. The bike is awesome; no regrets at all!!!
If you could find one for $12k OTD, that *would* be a screaming deal!!!
Gee I know that bike and Picture.
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Quote from: Major 662 on March 25, 2011, 06:26:53 PM
The bike's so clean on a dirt road!
I saw one at the local Honda dealer and the paint is amazing. No wonder Honda was bragging about how smooth it is
He just pulled in off the highway 10 feet in the other direction and turned it around
But yeah, that is a superb shot
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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I signed up to test ride one of these last Saturday. The ergo was so bad (sport bike like) for my 6'2" frame that I jumped on a GS1200 instead. The VFR is made for women, children, and tiny men.
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The ergos are bad only if you don't want to lean over for whatever health related reasons.
I'm fine with that position and prefer it over the sit up and beg for fast riding.
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Quote from: Rogue on April 06, 2011, 06:03:06 PM
The ergos are bad only if you don't want to lean over for whatever health related reasons.
I'm fine with that position and prefer it over the sit up and beg for fast riding.
Yeah, there are plenty of people that can't handle sit up and beg for health reasons as well...
You might recognize the keen photography in this thread...
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15293686#post15293686
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There was a time when the VFR riding position was the standard for that class. BMW actually used it extensively and the VFR continues to use it. It's in keeping with the type of riding the bike is meant to be used in.
What's funny is some people think the C14 riding position is also too sporty even though it is already relaxed compared to a VFR800.
I do think referring to it as a "bad" riding position is a misnomer.
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Quote from: spd2918 on April 06, 2011, 04:27:55 PM
I signed up to test ride one of these last Saturday. The ergo was so bad (sport bike like) for my 6'2" frame that I jumped on a GS1200 instead. The VFR is made for women, children, and tiny men.
You ride a Harley and ST. Your basis of comparisson is skewed a bit.
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Honda does clasiffy both the VFR800 and VFR1200F as a Sport Bike.
I haven't checked out a VFR800 in person yet but I really want to see one in person and sit on it.
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Their riding positions are almost identical.
Trust me when I say, they are nowhere near as sporty ANY sportbike out there. I think the rise is at least 5"+ compared to those bikes. Definitely not upright but not anywhere low down either.
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Quote from: Rogue on April 07, 2011, 11:59:27 AM
Their riding positions are almost identical.
Trust me when I say, they are nowhere near as sporty ANY sportbike out there. I think the rise is at least 5"+ compared to those bikes. Definitely not upright but not anywhere low down either.
Yup, it's all relative. Before the VFR I had a Yamaha R6. The VFR is luxurious in comparison.
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Quote from: scottzilla on April 07, 2011, 08:45:24 AM
You ride a Harley and ST. Your basis of comparisson is skewed a bit.
Yes, I do have bikes that I don't have to lean onto my wrists to ride. But I wasn't comparing them to my current bikes.
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Quote from: Rogue on April 07, 2011, 11:59:27 AM
Their riding positions are almost identical.
Trust me when I say, they are nowhere near as sporty ANY sportbike out there. I think the rise is at least 5"+ compared to those bikes. Definitely not upright but not anywhere low down either.
Amen to that, my '06 cbr1000rr was truly uncomfortable on long rides. VFR 800/1200 is a much better traveling bike. The new 1200 is really quite a nice bike, fast, shaft drive, wind protection.
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Quote from: motormike on March 18, 2011, 04:48:57 PM
I sat on one today. Not bad. It was $14.5K.
The $12K one above is used in Texas with only several hundred miles...don't remember exactly.
Any other price reports of $12K VFR1200s or is this an isolated case?
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Quote from: Orson on April 08, 2011, 04:16:42 AM
Any other price reports of $12K VFR1200s or is this an isolated case?
Since you quoted me, I will respond. Well, according to Cycle Trader...
Arizona $11,499 new
Texas $11,599 used
California $11,995 new
New York $11,999 new
Arizona $12,399 new
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wow
I wonder if that'll be enuff to offset all the hate dished out so far.
I think a beef wuz that the K1300S had electronic gizmos that the Honda didn't
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Quote from: Orson on April 08, 2011, 11:53:39 AM
wow
I wonder if that'll be enuff to offset all the hate dished out so far.
I think a beef wuz that the K1300S had electronic gizmos that the Honda didn't
$12K gets rid of all the issues I had with the bike!
IMO it's a screaming deal at that price level.
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Quote from: atadaskew on April 08, 2011, 01:20:00 PM
$12K gets rid of all the issues I had with the bike!
IMO it's a screaming deal at that price level.
How do I know yer not just repeating whut you've read on the Vespa forums?
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Quote from: Orson on April 08, 2011, 01:40:51 PM
How do I know yer not just repeating whut you've read on the Vespa forums?
The Vespa forums, bless their little hearts, are populated with questions like "is it ok to use my front brake?"
(FYI the answer is yes...
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Big fish in little pond, and all that..
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Re: VFR1200 being sold for $12K at some shops
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April 09, 2011, 07:22:51 AM »
I agree - 12k is a strong pricepoint for that bike. Unfortunately, the momentum that the VFR1200 had is gone due to the initial sticker-shock. Folks aren't shopping, which is really a shame for the dealers...because that's a heck of a bike for 12k.
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They would probably interest even more people if they would bring them over in multiple colors. I really don't understand why they only offer the red option in the US and White and Silver in Europe. Not that that is a major deciding factor for most bike purchases but I have to admit I am not a fan of single color production models.
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Quote from: atadaskew on April 08, 2011, 01:20:00 PM
$12K gets rid of all the issues I had with the bike!
IMO it's a screaming deal at that price level.
SOOOOooooo.....what are you waiting for? Christmas?
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Quote from: Rogue on April 10, 2011, 04:06:58 PM
SOOOOooooo.....what are you waiting for? Christmas?
Garage is full, and I prefer the ST that I have in there. 250 mile range, lighter, bigger hard luggage, paint that is not soft, v-twin roar with a dry clutch that has that wonderful 2 toaster humping sound....
Butt if I needed an ST, this is a no brainer at $12K.
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Quote from: atadaskew on April 11, 2011, 12:11:47 PM
250 mile range, lighter, bigger hard luggage, paint that is not soft, v-twin roar with a dry clutch that has that wonderful 2 toaster humping sound....
It lacks the gravitas of a Guzzi.
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I'll take top end power over gravitas any day. At least for an ST bike, I found it useful often.
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Quote from: Rogue on April 11, 2011, 02:37:16 PM
I'll take top end power over gravitas any day. At least for an ST bike, I found it useful often.
Wait a sec, I thought you had a VFR800?
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http://www.cycletrader.com/find/listing/2010-HONDA-VFR1200F--96500181
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Wait a sec, I thought you had a VFR800?
I do.
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I hope to meet one in the wild when I'm on the king.
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I hope to meet one in the wild when I'm on the king.
It's good to be the King.
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going today to testride one,$10400 otd!!! brand new. thats less than i paid for my fjr 5 years ago! that is without bags, havent decided - honda or givi. dam exaust,st windsheild, heili bars, throttlemeister and will be good to go!! at that price i think its a great bike!!
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Sweet, we need details after the test ride.
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Quote from: speedie on December 26, 2011, 04:59:28 AM
going today to testride one,$10400 otd!!! brand new. thats less than i paid for my fjr 5 years ago! that is without bags, havent decided - honda or givi. dam exaust,st windsheild, heili bars, throttlemeister and will be good to go!! at that price i think its a great bike!!
2 things:
1/ That is an incredible price for the bike. Totally worth it.
2/ This shows that the VFR12 has been a complete sales disaster for Honda.
p.s. what shop/area is giving you that price OTD?
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It is Altus motorsports in altus oklahoma, where i bought my fjr also, there great guys, serched the net for lowest price i could find and they matched it, deleted destination $ title fee. didn't get to test ride, there closed on mondays but there serviceing it tomorrow, and doing the service bullitin reflash for the low speed mapping issue.bulletin no 07072011 ECM Rewrite
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Quote from: speedie on December 26, 2011, 04:59:28 AM
going today to testride one,$10400 otd!!! brand new. thats less than i paid for my fjr 5 years ago! that is without bags, havent decided - honda or givi. dam exaust,st windsheild, heili bars, throttlemeister and will be good to go!! at that price i think its a great bike!!
Shoot for that price I would go and pick one up. I have a 6 gen and I had 5 previous VFRs. The 7 gen for me -I am sure is a fine machine that will do everything a Honda Motorcycle should. The problem I had with it was the $$ for what you get. There are just way too many other bikes with alot more option for less money that will do everything the VFR could do.
That price put the VFR in the hunt if you ask me.
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I thought the BMW K1300S was around $16k? Isn't this the bike the VFR1200 is competing against? If so then the price is right in line.
Read a road test from Motorcycle USA against the K1300S, Kawi Z1000, Yami FZ1. The VFR1200 won the comparison but the testers bemoaned the high price (just like they did with the K1300S. The Honda was also the heaviest by 20 lbs.! It was the best handling, smoothest, highest quality bike.
The comparison was for the "Sport-Street" class that M-USA classifies as a new niche.
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Quote from: atadaskew on December 26, 2011, 09:22:37 AM
2/ This shows that the VFR12 has been a complete sales disaster for Honda.
I wonder how much of the blame is Honda's?
BMW produced a K1300 with a 5.0 gallon tank and receives accolades.
Honda produces a VFR1200 with a 4.9 gallon tank and the pitch forks are out
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Quote from: Rogue on December 27, 2011, 09:14:16 AM
I thought the BMW K1300S was around $16k? Isn't this the bike the VFR1200 is competing against? If so then the price is right in line.
Have you compared features?
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Quote from: Orson on December 27, 2011, 07:58:07 PM
I wonder how much of the blame is Honda's?
BMW produced a K1300 with a 5.0 gallon tank and receives accolades.
Honda produces a VFR1200 with a 4.9 gallon tank and the pitch forks are out
Haven't you heard Japanese bikes, lordy especially Hondas, SUCK. Euro is the way to go man, keep up wid da hep katz.
For me if I were to cut down to one bike the vfr1200 would work well... better still when/if Honda imports their adv styled 1200 tourer I'd be all over it. That sucker looks comfortable enough to ride into retirement.
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I am intrigued by the VFR12, but not enough to actually buy one. Maybe in a few years when I see a great deal on a used one.
I still can't decide if it's an overweight sportbike or an uncomfortable sport tourer.
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Quote from: UFO on December 27, 2011, 08:06:33 PM
Have you compared features?
Like?
Heated grips? The bigger tank?
Those are not deal breakers for me. But hey, it's a BMW.
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Quote from: Orson on December 27, 2011, 07:58:07 PM
I wonder how much of the blame is Honda's?
BMW produced a K1300 with a 5.0 gallon tank and receives accolades.
Honda produces a VFR1200 with a 4.9 gallon tank and the pitch forks are out
Let's be honest here. It has nothing to do with the size of the gas tank. It's because the bike is too ugly to sell at $16K.
If this thing was gorgeous people would be all over it. And Honda has done gorgeous before - RC30, NC 30, 1984 VF1000R etc
You think Ducati has any chance of selling its 1098/1198 bikes if they were ugly? Look what happened to the sales of the 999.
But people willingly pay the cash for the 848 and 1198 (and soon 1199) not just because of the way they perform, but because of how they look.
I ran into a bunch of Honda engineers test riding the VFR12 before it was released (I have a pic of my old Guzzi 850 Lemans next to them), and the head engineer told me that he knew it was called 'Shamu' by the press.
Pretty much writing on the wall right there.
But still, for $10K new it is unbeatable.
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Quote from: Tpoppa on December 28, 2011, 07:56:07 AM
I am intrigued by this the VFR12, but not enough to actually buy one. Maybe in a few years when I see a great deal on a used one.
What is a great deal used? Right now they are $10K new, discounted from $16K.
You will not be able to beat that used for a loooooong time. And then you will be buying a used bike...
I'm thinking after this year Honda will only offer it as a special order model.
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Quote from: atadaskew on December 28, 2011, 10:21:21 AM
What is a great deal used? Right now they are $10K new, discounted from $16K.
You will not be able to beat that used for a loooooong time. And then you will be buying a used bike...
I'm thinking after this year Honda will only offer it as a special order model.
As slow as sales of new ones have been, I expect resale value to be low.
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Quote from: atadaskew on December 28, 2011, 10:21:21 AM
Let's be honest here. It has nothing to do with the size of the gas tank. It's because the bike is too ugly to sell at $16K.
If this thing was gorgeous people would be all over it. And Honda has done gorgeous before - RC30, NC 30, 1984 VF1000R etc
You think Ducati has any chance of selling its 1098/1198 bikes if they were ugly? Look what happened to the sales of the 999.
But people willingly pay the cash for the 848 and 1198 (and soon 1199) not just because of the way they perform, but because of how they look.
I ran into a bunch of Honda engineers test riding the VFR12 before it was released (I have a pic of my old Guzzi 850 Lemans next to them), and the head engineer told me that he knew it was called 'Shamu' by the press.
Pretty much writing on the wall right there.
But still, for $10K new it is unbeatable.
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What is a great deal used? Right now they are $10K new, discounted from $16K.
You will not be able to beat that used for a loooooong time. And then you will be buying a used bike...
I'm thinking after this year Honda will only offer it as a special order model.
Gotta love the fickle shallow nature of some motorcyclists. For those that love the pose factor of certain bikes it seems no price is too high for them, it's just gotta look good parked up at Starbucks. Not my bag but whatever floats the boat. I'm not seeing anything ugly about the vfr 1200 but hell if it drops the price more, hell ya it's ugly and that gas tank oh my god!! You will die while riding that small tank....oh no let's not forget about the 'soft' paint and the ugly exhaust & headlight. WA WA it's so uglyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Quote from: gritsngravy on December 28, 2011, 03:41:50 PM
Gotta love the fickle shallow nature of some motorcyclists. For those that love the pose factor of certain bikes it seems no price is too high for them, it's just gotta look good parked up at Starbucks. Not my bag but whatever floats the boat. I'm not seeing anything ugly about the vfr 1200 but hell if it drops the price more, hell ya it's ugly and that gas tank oh my god!! You will die while riding that small tank....oh no let's not forget about the 'soft' paint and the ugly exhaust & headlight. WA WA it's so uglyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
It's not the fickle nature of some motorcyclists but apparently most motorcyclists. Otherwise the VFR1200 would be selling at or close to the MSRP.
What explanation do you have for it not selling? It's not the economy as many mfgs have shown gains in these trying times - including Ducati, Triumph and BMW.
The reality is once you price a 'toy' at $16K, it becomes a luxury and needs more than performance to sell. It also needs looks.
Not just my opinion, but obviously the opinion of those in the market who have avoided it while buying other high end/high priced brands.
No matter to those who are getting a killer deal at $10K. A black eye for Honda's perceived flagship - selling for less than their 600cc sport bike! - but a bulls eye for the savvy shopper.
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The success of BMW motorcycles rest mostly on their GS models (twins and singles). In addition, BMW offers aggressive and very convenient financing options. Bottom line, it's not BMW's K1300S that is pushing BMW motorcycle sales!
OTOH, Honda's financing deals suck and they are weak. Not even near competitive. Honda dealers are not pushing their financing deals either, which is a problem with most of the Japanese makes (not just Honda). Keep in mind that Suzuki didn't even import much of any bikes in 2010 and/or 2011? I can't recall which year. Sportbikes are just NOT selling and it doesn't help that Financing for younger buyers are not easy to get if impossible.
Honda gave VFR naysayers just about everything they wanted: more power, hard bags, shaft drive. Yet the same naysayers who said they will buy a VFR with all these features did not materialize in 2010. Of course not. They were unemployed or struggling or cautious. I agree that $16k is a big pill to swallow and those who did were not in the market for a VFR1200 nor a BMW K1600S either. My theory is a large majority of buyers with this kind of coin are older and fatter so they go buy more upright riding position sport-tourers because they are all old and want to be pampered.
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Quote from: atadaskew on December 28, 2011, 10:21:21 AM
Let's be honest here. It has nothing to do with the size of the gas tank. It's because the bike is too ugly to sell at $16K.
If this thing was gorgeous people would be all over it. And Honda has done gorgeous before - RC30, NC 30, 1984 VF1000R etc
This is the sport touring segment...
we appear in public wearing an aerostich suit without a hint of shame, so it stands to reason we would feel the same about our motorcycle's appearance
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Picked it up yesterday, short testride, ergos are a little tight, heli bars for sure, can't speak to the power as it only has 5 miles on it so didn't even hit the real power, handling seems very good, seems smaller than it is. i've been interested in this bike when it came out but $1600k was just too much. but at $10445 otd i couldn't pass it up. I know bmw has more standard features but for $6000 more $$ it should have! more impressions as i break it in.
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Can somebody let me know where you're finding these for ~$10k OTD?
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Quote from: atadaskew on December 28, 2011, 10:21:21 AM
Let's be honest here. It has nothing to do with the size of the gas tank.
I don't understand why people focus so much on gas tank size when the real problem is the shitty mpg. If you look at Fuelly and check the stats on this motorcycle for the riders who have 25+ tanks in their stats you see that it's mid-high 30's for avg. mpg. That's pathetic. That's about equal to my wifes Civic. I normally get about the best mpg for a given vehicle compared to others on Fuelly so realistically I'd be looking at very low 40's for my avg. mpg. No thanks. Other than that I think the VFR has a lot to offer IMO.
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My VFR800 gets mid to high 30's. It may get into the 40's on the highway but not average with twisties, city, and highway.
It's the same with my Buell 1125R with its stingy fueling.
To be honest, those kinds of mileage numbers are plenty high enough for me. If I wanted more I would get a Yamaha T-Max 500cc Scooter (which I really like too).
As for overall range, if I can ride 180 miles on a tank of gas that is way plenty! After 120 miles I'm ready to take a break! I did the SS1000 on my VFR800 and I was regularly pushing 160-180 miles at a time in the Hwy, and trust me, I NEEDED to stop by then. So people complaining about not having 200+ mile range boggles my mind.
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Quote from: Orson on December 29, 2011, 02:15:05 AM
This is the sport touring segment...
we appear in public wearing an aerostich suit without a hint of shame, so it stands to reason we would feel the same about our motorcycle's appearance
Sez the dood who owns an Aprilia Mille, Guzzi Le Mans and Thairumph Thruxton.
Wearing a 'Stich while riding those bikes reminds me of the scene where James Bond swims to shore to a party in a dry suit. Once he gets to shore he takes the dry suit off, revealing a tuxedo underneath. Sure it was a little crumpled, but it was still a tux..
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Quote from: Rogue on December 29, 2011, 09:06:42 AM
My VFR800 gets mid to high 30's. It may get into the 40's on the highway but not average with twisties, city, and highway.
It's the same with my Buell 1125R with its stingy fueling.
To be honest, those kinds of mileage numbers are plenty high enough for me. If I wanted more I would get a Yamaha T-Max 500cc Scooter (which I really like too).
Not good.
My Duc St4s makes a lot more powah than your VFR, and I average about 40mpg in the twisties, closer to 50mpg on the highway.
It also has a 5.8 gallon tank which gives it about a 250 mile touring range.
The point is not how long you can bear to sit on the bike - I too like to stretch after about 150 miles - but the fact that you can stop and relax anywhere. Instead of having to look for a gas station.
p.s. the Tmax only gets about 55mpg. The MP3 500 that I had got about 65mpg.
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I think the VFR800 tanks is smaller than 5.8 gallons. I have to check.
In my limited experience of riding on even the longest day rides, 120 mile range is minimum requirement. It's barely adequate really but will do as long as you pay attention to distance traveled. I had to deal with that with my XB12R and it was a pain sometimes. With the VFR800's 180+ mile range, I found it to be plenty and gave me ample opportunity to explore roads less travelled.
Yes I hear you on the convenience of not having to look for a gas station every 180 miles. But here's the rub: if you have a 250 mile range you postpone fueling up 100 miles before the VFR800. Fair enough. What happens when you do that and you get to the end of that 250 miles and there is no gas station around? Meanwhile, the VFR800 rider who filled up at 180 miles now has more fuel than you! It's a theoretical situation at best. Just saying that if you are not traveling across Hwy 50 in Nevada regularly, it shouldn't be such a big deal.
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Quote from: swimmer on December 29, 2011, 08:39:11 AM
I don't understand why people focus so much on gas tank size when the real problem is the shitty mpg. If you look at Fuelly and check the stats on this motorcycle for the riders who have 25+ tanks in their stats you see that it's mid-high 30's for avg. mpg. That's pathetic. That's about equal to my wifes Civic. I normally get about the best mpg for a given vehicle compared to others on Fuelly so realistically I'd be looking at very low 40's for my avg. mpg. No thanks. Other than that I think the VFR has a lot to offer IMO.
This VFR1200 owner sez fuelly told him he got a 42-43 mpg
Quote from: NickR on June 29, 2011, 06:48:32 AM
Clearly being biased as I have VFR1200(!), i'm just back from a touring trip of just over a couple of thousand miles to the south of France and back in just over a week. I'd classify the trip as high speed touring too i guess in general - much of the motorway mileage in France is at a speed significantly higher than is legal in other countries
My best tank on the trip was 47.7 US MPG (over 57 UK MPG!) according to fuelly, and the average tank was around 42-43 US MPG I'd guess.
My average over more than 5200 miles is over 38 US MPG
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Let's be honest here. It has nothing to do with the size of the gas tank. It's because the bike is too ugly to sell at $16K.
+16,000
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Quote from: falconati on December 29, 2011, 07:43:18 AM
Can somebody let me know where you're finding these for ~$10k OTD?
Abernathy Honda Union City,TN. I just bought one 0 miles brand new no demo $9600 OTD and they have on left.
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Just got back from a break in ride, this bike is very fast, granted I'm not a racer and have never owned a sportbike but i do like to ride fast and this is the fastest bike i've had so far. still think the ergos are too tight for long days, i'm 50 years old so probably will take some getting used to. heli bars should help. handling is very good, still getting used to the bike but was able to do some high speed sweepers and was impressed. I agree with and am following the break-in on this site
http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm
. have 45 miles on it now and going to change oil and filter. don't care for the stock exaust, better when the valve opens but aftermarket pipe is comming. taller windsheild also, i'm 6 ft and was getting a lot of wind on the face, not sure what kind yet, any input on what others have and how you like it would be appreciated. love the sportbike power just need to make a little more TOURING friendly.
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Quote from: falconati on December 29, 2011, 07:43:18 AM
Can somebody let me know where you're finding these for ~$10k OTD?
http://www.cycletrader.com/listing/2010-Honda-VFR-1200F-(Manual-Transmission)-98407492
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Quote from: speedie on December 29, 2011, 03:58:55 PM
Just got back from a break in ride, this bike is very fast, granted I'm not a racer and have never owned a sportbike but i do like to ride fast and this is the fastest bike i've had so far. still think the ergos are too tight for long days, i'm 50 years old so probably will take some getting used to. heli bars should help. handling is very good, still getting used to the bike but was able to do some high speed sweepers and was impressed. I agree with and am following the break-in on this site http://www.mototuneusa.com/break_in_secrets.htm. have 45 miles on it now and going to change oil and filter. don't care for the stock exaust, better when the valve opens but aftermarket pipe is comming. taller windsheild also, i'm 6 ft and was getting a lot of wind on the face, not sure what kind yet, any input on what others have and how you like it would be appreciated. love the sportbike power just need to make a little more TOURING friendly.
I put the heli-bars,givi shield,putting lower pegs on tom.I like the shield I am 6'2.I also cant stand the exhaust ,I e-mailed DAM exhaust to get a quote on one shipped to me should here back soon.I like the DAM exhaust because I probably will eventually get hardbags.
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nice, where did you get the lower pegs from? I also want the dam exaust,let me know what they say! I guess great minds think alike!!
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Quote from: robrm250 on December 29, 2011, 12:45:01 PM
Abernathy Honda Union City,TN. I just bought one 0 miles brand new no demo $9600 OTD and they have on left.
Damn, nice price.
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This is starting to remind me of the run on Guzzi Sport 1200s, when they too were being blown out for insane prices.
Huh, Honda following in the footsteps of Guzzi.
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I'll be getting this if they take my MV on trade.
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I'll be getting this if they take my MV on trade.
There is one in Waukesha, WI for $9999
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Quote from: atadaskew on December 30, 2011, 09:44:39 AM
Huh, Honda following in the footsteps of Guzzi.
actually, Moto Guzzi wuz just luring Honda into a sales war
and Honda bit...hook, line and sinker.
once people see how desperate Honda is, they will become suspicious that sumthin must be wrong with their bikes, and then they'll stop by the Guzzi shop on the way home.
dastardly
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Quote from: Prubert on December 30, 2011, 11:09:43 AM
There is one in Waukesha, WI for $9999
Thanks for the heads-up Prubert! I'll pursue this. It would obviously be even easier for me to work out.
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Quote from: speedie on December 30, 2011, 02:59:28 AM
nice, where did you get the lower pegs from? I also want the dam exaust,let me know what they say! I guess great minds think alike!!
Sorry so late but been out of town for new years,I bought a set of Buell Ulysses pegs from GR Harley and grinded on them a little,lowered a inch to inch quarter they were only $37.00.Wild Hair Accesories has a set that are nice but could not pay the $180.00 for them.I am waiting to get the final price from DAM going with polished plus satin.
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Quote from: Orson on December 30, 2011, 11:32:43 AM
actually, Moto Guzzi wuz just luring Honda into a sales war
and Honda bit...hook, line and sinker.
once people see how desperate Honda is, they will become suspicious that sumthin must be wrong with their bikes, and then they'll stop by the Guzzi shop on the way home.
dastardly
who the hell has a Guzzi Shop anywhere near to their home
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who the hell has a Guzzi Shop anywhere near to their home
George Clooney, duh.
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George Clooney, duh.
that explains why he said he once considered suicide only bike dealer within miles of him probably.
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Quote from: robrm250 on January 04, 2012, 07:07:34 PM
that explains why he said he once considered suicide only bike dealer within miles of him probably.
akshully once he found out that the Guzzi factory was just down the street from his Lake Como pad, he felt much better.
He realised his lot in life was actually not so bad..
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