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« on: April 04, 2011, 09:48:29 AM »

I thought a K16GTL Vs the "redesigned" Gold Wing thread could be interesting.  Pros/Cons, comparisons, etc.  I'm interested as a spectator, not a buyer myself.  

My dad is still on the fence in regards to these two bikes, and I expect he'll move on one soon.  Some ammo to get him out of his Gold Wing rut would be great.  I make it no secret that I think he should try something new with the BMW.  

BMW Pros: 160hp figure, electric windscreen, traction-control.

http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/PhotoGallerys/xlarge/2012-bmw-k1600gtl-8.jpg

Gold Wing Pros: has a reverse, and an air-bag.  More passenger comfort and existing trailer hitch options (important item).

http://powersports.honda.com/Assets/Models/2012_GoldWingAudioComfort_2000x1275_PearlWhite_42515B.jpg
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« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2011, 10:22:16 AM »

How does your dad ride?  Is passenger comfort the most important factor or canyon carving?  These comparisons always come down to rider needs.

I was at the Moon Motorsports open house two days ago (test rides, hot dogs, etc).  My K1200LT riding buddy was late to the party so we signed him up to ride a Goldwing.  His take was that it felt a lot like his bike, but with less clearance and had him sitting lower.
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2011, 10:26:08 AM »

No reason to own either of these bikes.  Sport tourers have gotten so smooth and comfortable, why give up so much performance by owning one of these?
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2011, 10:43:25 AM »


How does your dad ride?  Is passenger comfort the most important factor or canyon carving?  These comparisons always come down to rider needs.

I was at the Moon Motorsports open house two days ago (test rides, hot dogs, etc).  My K1200LT riding buddy was late to the party so we signed him up to ride a Goldwing.  His take was that it felt a lot like his bike, but with less clearance and had him sitting lower.


He rides about 90% of the time 2-up.  
It's about 85% touring, 15% general transportation.  Tours are ~4-6 days.
90% with a trailer.  
75% of the touring time is with other full-dressers (E-Glides, G-wings, Visions, etc)
And about 10% of the time riding with a certain Triumph rider that blows his socks off.  Lol

So, passenger comfort is most critical most of the time, and canyon-carving is important more when riding with me.  
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2011, 10:58:00 AM »

'wing.  But he should ride them both with his passenger.  She will tell him to get the wing.  Razz
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2011, 10:58:26 AM »

Wing.
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2011, 11:00:52 AM »


'wing.  But he should ride them both with his passenger.  She will tell him to get the wing.  Razz


I don't know, that Roundel does funny things to women.  Shrug

I wonder when demo K16's will be available - maybe May...?
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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2011, 11:07:03 AM »




I don't know, that Roundel does funny things to women.  Shrug

I wonder when demo K16's will be available - maybe May...?


Problem solved.
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2011, 11:24:08 AM »




The same reason people "give up performance" available in, say, a Z28 to do things like haul their families around in minivans, or to take carpet to customers' homes in pickups or fullsize vans, or to take a leisurely drive along the river in a Sebring convertible.

Long live the diverse marketplace.  Thumbsup


Nope, you are totally missing what I said.
I'm not comparing a Z28 to a mini van, More like a Porsche Cayenne to a mini van.  Neither will haul more than the other, yet one has a distinct performance advantage.  Take money out of the equation and The Porsche has more to offer the consumer.
If you were to compare a 'Wing to a modestly farkled C14/FJR or even ST1300 you would be giving up a lot of performance for....nothing.  Is a 'Wing that much more comfortable?  Nah. (Mind you , "Performance" is not necessarily just outright speed, "Handling" is part of the equation Wink).
These big 'ole touring rigs are dinosaurs.  
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2011, 11:35:03 AM »



These big 'ole touring rigs are dinosaurs.  


They are dinosaurs ridden by dinosaurs.  Lol

This morning I rode dad's Goldwing out to his dealer for annual servicing.  I "get" what makes a GW special over a FJR/C14 - it's gizmo's for starters.  There are even buttons for your knees to push!  And the GW has a much more enclosing fairing, and comfort such as floor boards.  Plus there is that huge dollop of torque - 104  lb-ft.  While the FJR/C14 will spin up to much higher HP figures, the GW has torque by the boatload.  I call it the "SS Goldwing."
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2011, 11:44:51 AM »

My concerns would be with a new model and engine.

Give the BMW a model year or two to find out what (if any) issues may arise.

I agree with the "Wing" crowd. Tried and true and fixes available for any niggly problems.
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2011, 11:48:04 AM »




Actually, for the passenger, yeah, very much so. Most of the Sport-Touring bikes haul a 90lb woman just fine.

I think the 90lb woman is a myth. They don't exist.  Lol


2 up, you have a point.
90lb women are only found in strip joints.
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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2011, 12:37:00 PM »

I would have guessed there'd be more pro-BMW comments.   Headscratch

Der BMW has:

6-speed instead of 5-speed transmission
Ride by wire instead of Ride by cable
3-way Adjustable FI mapping
Traction control and Electronic Suspension Adjustments
Fancy adaptive headlights and electronic screen (STILL no e-screen on the Wing)
Over 150-lbs lighter
Detachable vs Fixed top box
BMW likely has superior handling
Duolever front suspension
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A design from the current decade, not ten years ago

It seems like a no-brainer to me.  
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2011, 01:10:48 PM »

Well, it pretty much depends on which one weighs the least if he is gonna sport tour.
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2011, 01:17:22 PM »


I would have guessed there'd be more pro-BMW comments.   Headscratch

Der BMW has:

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It seems like a no-brainer to me.  


Until the wife bitches about being tired after 2 hours.

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« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2011, 01:40:15 PM »


I would have guessed there'd be more pro-BMW comments.   Headscratch

Der BMW has:

6-speed instead of 5-speed transmission
Ride by wire instead of Ride by cable
3-way Adjustable FI mapping
Traction control and Electronic Suspension Adjustments
Fancy adaptive headlights and electronic screen (STILL no e-screen on the Wing)
Over 150-lbs lighter
Detachable vs Fixed top box
BMW likely has superior handling
Duolever front suspension
Bluetoth
A design from the current decade, not ten years ago

It seems like a no-brainer to me.  


The Touring genre makes me wanna  Hurl but to each their own. I would also think the Beemer would get a better response but you gotta remember a lot of the guys on this site have serious Honda bias. Seeing as I'm a maintenance man I look at things like ease of maintenance and service durations. Is the oil change on the BMW a 2hr. job?... etc.
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« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2011, 02:11:37 PM »




And 70lbs of that is usually silicon.  Lol


Talk about top heavy.  Lol
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« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2011, 02:21:55 PM »

Sounds like the Gold Wing fits your Dad's riding preferences.   That would be the one I'd take if I had the time and inclination to tour the country by bike.  
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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2011, 02:39:23 PM »

I'd say Wing, but if you dad doesn't have to absolutely buy now, he might want to wait a year. Rumors are that the Wing is getting a new design . . . and the Beemer will be in version 2.1 with various fixes.

That said, about the only thing more reliable in the 2-wheeled world than a Wing is a Schwinn. I know of several Wings at 200K-plus mark with no real issues and ready for another 200K. I've owned two Wings in the past and there's a LOT to be said for having a comfortable, no-fuss, no-muss mile-eating bike. Throw some clothes in the bags, get on, aim it for the other coast, only stopping for gas.

Plus far more reasonably priced accessories for the Wing.

Admit it. You want your dad to get the Beemer so you can take it for a test ride whenever you get the urge.
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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2011, 03:27:13 PM »



Admit it. You want your dad to get the Beemer so you can take it for a test ride whenever you get the urge.


I can't deny that.  But I also think the BMW will be the better performing bike.

I emailed him this video link today, and told him to listen around the 4min mark.  Sounds like a good wail to me!

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