Visited a H-D Dealership

[Cricket1]

they pretty much go together as the profits won't continue without the rest

Oh come Black Hills, don't you know?  Companies are supposed to be in business to treat employees well, help the environment, heal the sick, tend to the poor, etc.  What is this profit you speak of??  Must be some evil rich guy sceme to screw all the hard working folks. 

[black hills]

Oh come Black Hills, don't you know?  Companies are supposed to be in business to treat employees well, help the environment, heal the sick, tend to the poor, etc.  What is this profit you speak of??  Must be some evil rich guy sceme to screw all the hard working folks. 

what was I thinking

[Kootenanny]

Oh come Black Hills, don't you know?  Companies are supposed to be in business to treat employees well, help the environment, heal the sick, tend to the poor, etc.  What is this profit you speak of??  Must be some evil rich guy sceme to screw all the hard working folks. 

So, you're happy that so many jobs are "outsourced" to Asia just so the shareholders (who've done nothing but purchase stock in the company) can make a profit?

I have nothing against profit (I run my own business), but I do disagree with business practices which are designed to maximize profit at the expense of the people doing the actual work (although, I also realize that 12-year-olds in China need to make a living, too ).

[Kootenanny]

Come up with a better system. Stock holders keep many companies afloat by buying in.

Well, a start would be to allow boards of directors to plan for long term viability rather than short term profit.  As it is now, many (most?) shareholders want the fastest ROI possible, and damn the long term consequences.  This attitude can influence decisions such as plant locations (for example, moving operations to a foreign country with cheap labour).