Have you ever thought about adding a Stebel Air Horn to your bike? Today I did.

[cbsnbiker]

Yea , but the same scenario can happen if the guy on the bike decides to use his horn/his vest is really bright and causes momentary blindness/headlight modulator/etc   .

BTW , I don`t drift out of my lane .

My message may not have been clear. The first person is the car driver.

Also , straight pipes are out of the question , they are obnoxious , it does not matter how many lives they potentially save .
 I`m talking about aftermarket pipe with functioning baffle . IMHO they do increase your safety .

That is your opinion. It is not supported by research. I'll be interested to see if upcoming studies will shed any light on this.

Well you're obviously someone who believes they can completely control everything going on around them. good luck with that!

 

[stealth1]

Bahh, horns.

I wanna see more pics of this Dog. This looks like Beautiful Dog.  

[cbsnbiker]

 

[M.Brane]

Well you're obviously someone who believes they can completely control everything going on around them. good luck with that!

 Nobody can control the actions of others, but I can control my own actions. I am also completely responsible for the consequences of such actions. I know that's a foreign concept to many people, and the main reason why horns exist.

 BTW there is no such thing as luck.

[AzItLies]

 Nobody can control the actions of others, but I can control my own actions. I am also completely responsible for the consequences of such actions. I know that's a foreign concept to many people, and the main reason why horns exist.

BTW there is no such thing as luck.

So... let's see... you first start riding a bike and you blow a corner and go into the other lane. No one is coming and you don't get taken out... not luck?

You're on an airplane that crashes, everyone dies but you... not luck?

You've been riding for years, and never practice emergency swerving, but fortunately you haven't had to use that skill... not luck?

Let me ask you this one; you're going around a serious corner, it's sharp, not a big sweeper but something more like Deals Gap. You're half way round and realize someone else is coming the other way, but they are in your lane and heading straight for you...

Which way do you swerve to avoid them? (assuming you don't target fixate and run straight into them)...

Do you go right? hoping they "wake up" and go back in their lane? (yeah... yer gonna want a loud horn to help here), or do you swerve left? thinking they are out of control and are unable to "correct" their mistake?

You make the right choice and you still don't think yer ass is lucky? No, I mean really... how old are you?

[Windblown]

Azitlies, I'll give you the benefit of doubt and assume you seem to feel slighted in some way over this issue and that's the reason you're lashing out at those who prefer to rely on their own actions versus trying to change the behavior or someone elses with a horn.  But seriously, WTF?


BTW, in regards to "luck" some would call what you described good fortune, not luck.  It's just semantics.  I don't know if you were just being deliberately obtuse but it was obvious to me that the other poster was alluding to the idea that one should not count on luck when it comes to staying alive. Something you obviously agree about, yes?

If there is one thing I've learned in life it's that there is more than one way to skin a cat (Q, Connie). No one here suggested you stop using your horn. Relax. LOL

[coho]

Does the dog have an air horn?
How about ABS?

[AzItLies]

Does the dog have an air horn?
How about ABS?

I don't think abs is helping these poochies...

[swimmer]

Why does the motorcycle in the video have the ignition switch on the side of the engine.?

[cbsnbiker]

Why does the motorcycle in the video have the ignition switch on the side of the engine.?

Because that's where some manufacturers put it. I assume it's supposed to look cool.

[cbsnbiker]

I don't think abs is helping these poochies...

I love that photo.    

[ConPilot1]

I love that photo.    

I don't. Those poor dogs are being dragged by the neck. WTF is wrong with people?  
Asshole owner.

[cbsnbiker]

I don't. Those poor dogs are being dragged by the neck. WTF is wrong with people?  
Asshole owner.

I understand your point. I assumed it was staged for the photo. Maybe not.

It's still a good demonstration of doggie ABS.  

[hovmaven]

Perhaps they see a shark?  

[AzItLies]

Perhaps they see a shark?  

Maybe the shark has a horn? and it was loud enough they could hear it?  

[Papa Lazarou]

you is teh funny.

[AzItLies]

you is teh funny.

I find that repeatedly and frantically stabbing the starter button by mistake works nearly as well as a horn.

Hey yer the one that started it!

[turbo.mp]

I'm not a loud bike fan generally AND I'm a fan of the Hurt data. However... The issue with this type of data collection is that unquantifiable factors exist that can't be easily addressed.  

For example: It's possible that a higher percentage of poorly trained riders prefer loud exhausts and that is why the accident data does not indicate a safety benefit for loud exhaust. Same for looking at accident statistics by motorcycle type. By accident statistics alone it would be obvious that sportbikes are more dangerous than any other bikes on the road. However the fact is sportbikes are the safest motorcycles on the road due to superior braking and handling.  The skewed results are due to the "human" factor.
 

Figures lie and liars figure is much more harsh than I intend but until the "human" element can be successfully calculated we shouldn't take figures that can't or don't take it into account too literally.

Another consideration, which I'm surprised hasn't been brought up about loud pipes vs the Hurt Report:
Statistically, one of the largest dangers to a motorcyclist are left-turners in intersections.  Well, statistically, "dangerous" would have to do with probability of injury and the relative frequency for which they occur.  Obviously, loud pipes will have no real effect in a situation like that, yet the comment about over representation of loud pipes in the Hurt Report accounts for ALL types of accidents.

So no, loud pipes will not have a measurable impact in preventing the types of accidents that are statistically the biggest threat, but I don't care... a threat is a threat, and if something can save my life then I'm all for it.  Though it's not statistically likely, a zoo-escaped elephant can run out in front of you while you're cruising down the street; not the peak of my worries, but a valid threat if it were to happen.

Having logged a considerable amount of miles on bikes both with and without aftermarket exhausts, I CAN, with great certainty, tell you there is a noticeable difference in people that check their blind spots when I'm on a louder bike.  Having to spend an unfortunate amount of time riding in heavy traffic, I'm put in situations where I wouldn't normally like to be, with cars riding along side me.  I went directly from a CBR with a louder-than-stock aftermarket exhaust to a VFR with stock exhaust, and I was blown away at the difference.  In the 10k miles running the CBR with that exhaust, I don't recall having to ever use the horn.  However, on each of the three rides I've made on the VFR in the last couple weeks (totally no more than 150 mi) I've used the horn 5-6 times.
I've seen first hand the effect that it has on people when they can actually hear you; they actually look for you before changing lanes.

As a disclaimer, I'm extremely defensive and avoid blind spots and riding along side other vehicles.  However, the latest instance of having to use my horn was last week when I was sitting at a red light in the left turn lane.  Light turned green and as I started to go the car to my right (in the straight lane) started moving over on me, wanting to turn.  I was blown away because my torso was directly out from his driver side window.  As I laid on my horn he looked over and I was able to look him in the eyes.  I really couldn't have been in a better position given the circumstances, but he was oblivious to my presence because he couldn't hear me.

Needless to say, a slightly louder exhaust is definitely on my list for the VFR... I never fully realized how big of a difference it actually makes.

[coho]

I really couldn't have been in a better position given the circumstances, but he was oblivious to my presence because he couldn't hear me be bothered to turn his empty fcuking head and look where his stupid oblivious ass was going.

FTFY

[turbo.mp]

FTFY

Thanks for catching me, I forget I'm not on just a Utah forum... your edit is a normal assumption for people in this state.

Utah drivers ed 101:  stick head up ass, grab your cell phone, your breakfast, makeup, and 8 Mormon children all under age 10, then see how quickly you can get from point A to point B regardless of safety or other people.