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« Reply #100 on: March 27, 2012, 11:24:33 AM »

My Buell had lots of engine braking; the most i've ever experienced on a motorcycle. Shrug
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« Reply #101 on: March 27, 2012, 11:39:48 AM »


My Buell had lots of engine braking; the most i've ever experienced on a motorcycle. Shrug



I didn't notice it when I tested the XB9CX.  But when I tested the later Ulys, I'd let off the throttle and the engine would hang around at higher RPM for a second, then drop lackadaisically to a lower RPM above idle and hang there, all the meanwhile seeming disconnect from the braking process.  I felt it odd at the time that it did not provide progressive engine braking as I've come to expect it.
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« Reply #102 on: March 27, 2012, 11:57:37 AM »

Rince, it sounds like what you experienced was "hanging revs".  

It's not lack of engine braking but the ECM telling the engine to hang on to the revs for a second before dropping.  This is annoying.  The only time my Firebolt did this was when the Throttle Position was not reset properly by the dealer.  

What year were the Uly's you tested?  In 2008, all XB's had automatically resetting TPS so it should not have this issue.  If it does, it may be emissions related?  I'm only speculating.  
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« Reply #103 on: March 27, 2012, 12:08:16 PM »

Sorry I don't recall which year bikes.  I tested one soon after they came out, then another two yellow ones later (one of which had been to Alaska), and later a blue one.  I recall the issue most with the two yellow ones.  Thanks for the info, but I don't expect I'll be going Buell anyway.

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« Reply #104 on: March 28, 2012, 06:31:33 AM »

Hang on decel is a classic symptom of leaking intake manifold seals.  The seals aren't great and it is a fairly common problem that dealers don't often diagnose.

You can mask it by lowering the idle.  If you set the idle at or just over 1000 rpm (factory spec) and the revs hang it is leaking seals.  With the warm idle set to 1000 the idle may gradually creep up when the bike gets hot - like city summer riding.
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« Reply #105 on: April 04, 2012, 06:53:38 AM »

A friend thought that he'd talked his way into a 2010 XB12R for $11,500.  Went to pay and he had been gazumped at $13,500.
Another friend just bought a 2009 XB12R from US eBay.  By the time he gets it on-road here it will be $10,000 and he figures that is a bargain.
There is a 2009 XB12Ss - 0km never registered - at dealer for sale as  new bike for $17,000.

These are a lot higher than last year's prices.
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« Reply #106 on: April 04, 2012, 03:53:42 PM »

At the current AUS $ exchange rate that is astronomical!

My friend just sold his 2006 Lightning SS with 19k miles on it for a mere $4k.  Perfect condition and meticulously maintained (by me and him).  No issues.

My other friend is looking to purchase an 1125CR with 12k miles for $6k and I'm telling him that is a bit too much.  Maybe $5k since it's right under the Major Service interval.
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« Reply #107 on: April 04, 2012, 05:03:59 PM »

I'm thinking that in Australia, Buells probably don't suffer the "OMG it's a Harley!" stigma.  Here in North America, H-D is so strongly reviled by so much of the motorcycle community they get a bad rap IMO, with many riders--most of whom have likely never ridden one--assuming they're just some kind of weird-looking Harley (I've had more than one comment to that effect).

Also, there is a cult of horsepower here, and many riders will use horsepower numbers as their sole criteria when assessing a bike.
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« Reply #108 on: April 11, 2012, 08:18:19 AM »

The Harley thing does work here.  Big well organised distribution system, lots of dealers, and now that the second hand prices have improved you are seeing Buells fairly prominently displayed in dealerships.
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« Reply #109 on: April 11, 2012, 12:21:15 PM »

Hell, Buells weren't "prominently displayed" in a lot of Harley dealerships here even when they were most popular.  

I think the whole Harley distributorship thing was both a blessing and a curse.  There's this divisiion in North America between "Harley riders" and "motorcycle riders," and it seems never the twain shall meet...the problem is, Buells were aimed at "motorcycle riders" but sold at dealerships that dealt with "Harley riders"--most of the latter group had zero interest, and many of the former group refused to be seen riding anything even remotely associated with Harley, or even enter a Harley boutique.  

When I first got my Firebolt, I was trying to describe the bike to a friend who'd never heard of Buell.  I told him a bit of the company's history, and mentioned that they were owned by H-D.  Some months later, when he saw the bike for the first time, he was surprised--he'd been expecting some big-ass cruiser, because no matter what I'd said, the only thing that stuck was the name H-D.
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« Reply #110 on: April 12, 2012, 12:15:46 AM »

The curse of Buell in bed with H-D is the whole mentality of H-D owners towards sport bikes...more like their hatred of them and anything that was not "made in the USA" or looked like it was a modern machine.  This mentality probably do not exist in other countries of the world.  
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« Reply #111 on: April 13, 2012, 10:16:02 AM »


The curse of Buell in bed with H-D is the whole mentality of H-D owners towards sport bikes...more like their hatred of them and anything that was not "made in the USA" or looked like it was a modern machine.  This mentality probably do not exist in other countries of the world.  


While I did have to deal with a crappy sales manager that said I would be back for a real bike in a few years; I find the Buell/HD problem to be the people that Buells are targeted towards are Anti-HD.
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« Reply #112 on: April 13, 2012, 04:55:49 PM »


While I did have to deal with a crappy sales manager that said I would be back for a real bike in a few years; I find the Buell/HD problem to be the people that Buells are targeted towards are Anti-HD.

Well, a lot of us current Buell owners are certainly anti-HD, now.

BTW, your sales manager was probably just quoting the company line.  I believe that the way many dealerships were enticed to take on Buells in the first place was with the idea that they'd act as a sort of "entry level" Harley for younger riders.  Of course, as you mention, the main market for Buell was with people who simply weren't interested in Harleys, and this meant that many of them never even bothered trying one due to that bias--and most of us who did brave the Harley boutiques and bought Buells still have no interest in a Harley (personally, I'm much more interested in a Guzzi, Ducati, or maybe a Triumph, if/when I get another street bike).
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« Reply #113 on: April 14, 2012, 01:36:35 AM »

I blame the Baby Boomer H-D die hards out there.   Twofinger
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« Reply #114 on: April 14, 2012, 10:34:26 PM »

While out riding today, I stopped for an ice-laden glass o' water at a country H-D bar. The only person who asked about the Buell was a Beemer rider.  Wink
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« Reply #115 on: April 15, 2012, 12:30:18 PM »


While out riding today, I stopped for an ice-laden glass o' water at a country H-D bar. The only person who asked about the Buell was a Beemer rider.  Wink

That's 'cause the Harley guys were embarrassed Wink
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« Reply #116 on: April 16, 2012, 01:01:15 PM »


Well, a lot of us current Buell owners are certainly anti-HD, now.

BTW, your sales manager was probably just quoting the company line.  I believe that the way many dealerships were enticed to take on Buells in the first place was with the idea that they'd act as a sort of "entry level" Harley for younger riders.  Of course, as you mention, the main market for Buell was with people who simply weren't interested in Harleys, and this meant that many of them never even bothered trying one due to that bias--and most of us who did brave the Harley boutiques and bought Buells still have no interest in a Harley (personally, I'm much more interested in a Guzzi, Ducati, or maybe a Triumph, if/when I get another street bike).


If they would knock a 100lbs off the Scrambler I'd be first in line for a Triumph (or use the Daytona motor).  If Harley could get 80-90hp out of an 883R and get it down to 500lbs or less that would be the only way for me to walk into their store again.
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« Reply #117 on: April 16, 2012, 11:58:24 PM »




If they would knock a 100lbs off the Scrambler I'd be first in line for a Triumph (or use the Daytona motor).  If Harley could get 80-90hp out of an 883R and get it down to 500lbs or less that would be the only way for me to walk into their store again.

The whole idea of the Scrambler is to evoke the 60s...the Daytona engine wouldn't do that (wouldn't suit the bike very well in other ways, either).

As for a lightweight Sportster with 90 hp, well...ever look at a Buell Lightning?  Less than 450 lb (listed below 400), with a rated 92 bhp, and it handles better than any Harley...
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« Reply #118 on: April 18, 2012, 06:31:59 PM »



  If Harley could get 80-90hp out of an 883R and get it down to 500lbs or less that would be the only way for me to walk into their store again.


H-D had a bike that did just that--the Buell Lightning XBP9s.

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« Reply #119 on: April 30, 2012, 02:13:18 AM »

I had 5 XB Buells never had service problems dealer was awesome.  You could tell on his face when he returned from the 1125r intro as he was not full of excitement and could only describe the bike as kinda fat in front.  I had said I would buy no matter what until the photos were released.  Don't blame Harley Eric "anonymous" on Bad Web barged and barged how this was his team bike come true 25 years of work.  You don't have to be a rocket engineer to know this thing was slapped together and not ready for prime time.  It was Erik's ego to have his 25th that killed buell.  Harley's only mistake was not watching over his shoulder. If they did not car they never would have invest million over years to grow the brand..  Buell killed Buell. Not Harley. Harley is doing fine thank you. Erik is an narcissistic idiot.
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