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« Reply #120 on: May 02, 2012, 11:08:19 AM »

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« Reply #121 on: May 04, 2012, 06:02:12 PM »

I got excited when I saw there was new activity in this Buell thread.  Then I realized what it was....     Rolleyes
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« Reply #122 on: June 01, 2012, 01:01:56 PM »

Bumping this thread in hopes that anyone with alerts on will read my other thread in the Buell forum. Smile Buddy is selling his XB12R with 38,000 miles, it needs a few parts but he will let me have it for $1,000. What do you all think?
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« Reply #123 on: June 01, 2012, 02:54:07 PM »

I sold my '06 last year with 30k miles on it for $3k.  I gave it away really but it went to a good home and a fellow Bueller.

For $1k, I'd jump all over it.  Bikes are easy to work on but do yourself a favor and get a Service Manual.  Don't expect your local H-D dealer to help you much.  American Sportbike will be your best friend for parts and advice.
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« Reply #124 on: June 05, 2012, 03:27:23 AM »


Bumping this thread in hopes that anyone with alerts on will read my other thread in the Buell forum. Smile Buddy is selling his XB12R with 38,000 miles, it needs a few parts but he will let me have it for $1,000. What do you all think?


I'd go for 06-07 year model or 2010.  06 - 07 were the peak of the early generation and with ECMSpy you own your bike.

2010 has the independent front and rear cylinder fuel scaling and these will be the ones that retain most value.  One of the members of a forum down here has converted his 09 to independent mapping (seems you can do it on all 08+ if you have the latest 2010 flash).  He also added a baro sensor (same physical ECM as the 1125R and it seems it supports the baro if connected).  Gunter also told him the pins to connect wide band sensors to (seems to be an undocumented feature of the ECM).

I'd still go 06-07 - you won't feel like you have to do so many mods.

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« Reply #125 on: June 05, 2012, 08:35:39 AM »




I'd go for 06-07 year model or 2010.  06 - 07 were the peak of the early generation and with ECMSpy you own your bike.

2010 has the independent front and rear cylinder fuel scaling and these will be the ones that retain most value.  One of the members of a forum down here has converted his 09 to independent mapping (seems you can do it on all 08+ if you have the latest 2010 flash).  He also added a baro sensor (same physical ECM as the 1125R and it seems it supports the baro if connected).  Gunter also told him the pins to connect wide band sensors to (seems to be an undocumented feature of the ECM).

I'd still go 06-07 - you won't feel like you have to do so many mods.




While the 06-07 choices do allow you more flexability from the ECM standpoint, there are other issues to consider.  I would only get an 08+ for these reasons!
Larger crank pins and bearings - allow more robust design, and higher redline
larger capacity oil pump
can run throttle calibration on your own (no computer needed)
has spark plug anti-fouling protocall than can also be run (although I have never needed it)
better ECM with more processing power.
If you are only going to do simple intake/exhaust mods...go with the 08+ bikes and just buy the Buell race ECM.  I have only new airfilter, and exaust and race ECM...the thing runs night and day different than before...its just a dream.  
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« Reply #126 on: June 05, 2012, 11:26:04 AM »

Anything from '08 had the more restrictive EPA emissions tuning so it almost needs an EBR ECM to make them run optimal.  Many bikes sold (of all makes) that complied with this new EPA emissions had fueling issues, not sure why.  

My '06 XB12R had perfect fueling right from the factory.  My '08 1125R fueling sucks even after the latest ECM flash.  The EBR ECM put my 1125R to where it needed to be--perfect fueling.  I hate those emissions mandated fuel-choking parameters!
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« Reply #127 on: June 05, 2012, 05:51:18 PM »

My 05 is stock with no problems whatsoever...and I intend to keep it that way.   Bigok
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« Reply #128 on: June 06, 2012, 09:30:24 AM »


My 05 is stock with no problems whatsoever...and I intend to keep it that way.   Bigok

Ditto my 03... Smile
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« Reply #129 on: June 06, 2012, 09:49:21 PM »

On a Buell forum that I regularly read, there are tons of threads about people installing new ECMs, different pipes, different airbox mods.  Too many of them are horror stories.  The bike no longer idles smoothly...the bike has flat spots afterwards...the bike doesn't start at all...etc.

Simply put, this is not a bike I want to ruin.  I'd love to unleash a little (just a little) bit of that v-twin rumble.  But I'm not going to risk spoiling it.  I installed an aftermarket slip-on for my SV.  That seems to be a lot more foolproof and resilient to changes.  
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« Reply #130 on: June 07, 2012, 02:19:17 AM »


While the 06-07 choices do allow you more flexability from the ECM standpoint, there are other issues to consider.  I would only get an 08+ for these reasons!
Larger crank pins and bearings - allow more robust design, and higher redline
larger capacity oil pump
can run throttle calibration on your own (no computer needed)
has spark plug anti-fouling protocall than can also be run (although I have never needed it)
better ECM with more processing power.
If you are only going to do simple intake/exhaust mods...go with the 08+ bikes and just buy the Buell race ECM.  I have only new airfilter, and exaust and race ECM...the thing runs night and day different than before...its just a dream.  


I bought an 07 and felt ripped off for having bought too early.  I don't think that way now.

The 08+ has some significant improvments
 - The entire crank is better on the 08+. The crank is a larger diameter - not just the pins. And the conrods are stronger.
 - The biggest advantage with all this is that the front pulley is held on with a bolt and not a nut.
   This little thing addresses a common mid-life failure.
 - The 08+ has an "almost forged" piston.  The pistons are the reason the rev limit could be extended.
 - The 08+ was supposed to have a shorter travel throttle which I wanted - when I measured them the travel was the same.
 - The 08+ foul plugs more easily because they run richer and (and use more fuel).  The anti-fouling protocol rarely works
 - The 08+ ECM samples more that 10x faster.  
   With this the tune will run a wider range of mufflers without the same problems of the early models.
 - Crank Position sensor that never needs static adjustment
 - TPS reset protocol using throttle movements
 - Redesigned oil pump that is effectively the Cam cover
 - Automatic idle adjustment - a bit of a pain because the idle is high


My comments are
 - I know only one person who has bent a rod on a pre-08 and no one who has done a crank.
   The friend who did the rod had the front wheel against another bike and was trying to do a burnout force-em-back.
 - The 08+ pistons retrofit to the earlier models and you could then increase the rev limit on the pre 08
 - The increased rev limit is not a big advantage with stock and Buell Race mufflers. These produce peak power at 6500 RPM
   There are aftermarket mufflers that will keep producing more power well beyond this
 - The crank nut has a revised torque and it is now a very rare failure. (The pulley bolt is still the best mod on the 08+)
 - The advice with the 08+ was never to warm the bike longer than fitting the helmet and gloves.
   The early models rarely foul plugs if they are tuned to the muffler
 - 08+ will run mufflers like Jardines or Drummers OK off the stock ECM.
   They still have running issues and I'd recommend the EBR ECMs for them
 - Mufflers like the TorqueHammer and systems like the Micron don't run well at all on them.
   You need to tune an 08+ to an exhaust same as the pre-08
 - Tuning for a pre-08 is often easier and cheaper.
 - With a Micron, tune and taller gearing on my Firebolt I could get 300+ km (over 200 miles) on a 14 litre tank.
   A short wheel base 08+ model won't get near that no matter what you do.
 - The charging systems seem to fail a little more oftem on the 08+. That is my observation and not proven.

We had some club drags recently and my 07 with a TorqueHammer got away quicker than any of the other XBs. (08+ or not) One friend with a Micron on his 07 wasn't there and I'd expect him to be quicker.  I'm running gearing that is 11% higher than stock so it was a surprise.

A friend bought a TorqueHammer off me a few weeks ago. It comes with a free tune for 04-07 models. He lives in a cold area and he found it wasn't running well when it was cold.  I told him that I'd bumped up my cold start enrichment in the bottom cell and got him to do the same.  Perfect.  He has control of his ECM and so he owns his bike.

You can get ECMSpy for the later models (and I'd recommend it) but the early one is simple.

I am really happy with my 07
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« Reply #131 on: June 17, 2012, 05:59:18 PM »

I'll be posting the ad for my 08 in the for sale section shortly.
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