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« on: April 10, 2012, 06:28:59 AM »

So, I've been molding my body imprint on my couch for over a week now as I heal from my reconstructive surgery on my ankle. Not very mobile and all I can do is sit on the couch and hobble to the garage on crutches to look at my VF1000R. With two online college courses I still have a ton of free time so I've been reading tons of threads on here and other forums.

This topic has been brought up briefly in some way shape or form on here before but never really with much thought.  

I know,  for many of us,  the first thing we would like to do to our bikes when we buy them is the suspension.  Working the stock suspension on any bike can range from $500-$2000 depending on what your looking for it to do.

So why don't we just make it easier on ourselves? I've been searching craigslist, ebay, etc and 2004-2008 Yamaha R1's, Honda CBR1000RR's, ZX10R's and GSXR1000's can be found all day with less than 15000 miles in good shape for less than $7000. Usually in the $4500-$6500 price range with less than 10000 miles.

With these bikes you get fully adjustable suspension, gobs of power, nice instrumentation, tons of braking power, etc, etc. The only thing you don't get is comfort but......................Spiegler makes a very nice handlebar kit for all of those bikes sitting you up straight (as seen here http://www.spiegleru...on-kit-4394.htm)

The kits runs about $550. Combine that with a corbin/sargeant/whatever for your bum and you have a high performance sport tourer for the same price or less than a 6th gen VFR all farkled out, or a Sprint, or a Tiger 1050 or whatever. Legs still cramped? I'm sure someone makes peg lowerers or whatever for less than $100. Pretty sure Buell pegs would give you another 1". Anyway,

Am I missing something? I'm sure others have thought of this but why isn't it more popular?

What are your reasons for modding your bike or whatever when you could have gone the SS route?

I guess it's all subjective since we all have our own opinions but to me,  it just seems like I've been doing it backwards.  Finding a sport touring bike and dropping money for performance, suspension and comfort when I could have been buying a SS and dropping less money on just comfort.  
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2012, 07:40:19 AM »

I'm with you on modding a sport bike for all-day solo twisty strafing. But that doesn't work if you want factory hard luggage, two-up comfort, lots of alternator output to run farkles, no windblast on the super slab, etc. Different strokes and all that...
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2012, 07:49:08 AM »

I agree, for the most part.  Thumbsup

I bought a Hayabusa because it was lighter than almost all the dedicated ST bikes (although it’s still heavy by sportbike standards). It has fully adjustable suspension front and rear, strong brakes, and it’s roomier and more comfortable than the “RR” bikes. It has PLENTY of power/torque and it’s as reliable as a hammer. I bought mine with 23k on the clock, in excellent condition, for $4200; Hard to beat that combo. As a bonus, I can raise the bars and lower the pegs for more comfort for very little cost (I actually have a set of Buell pegs sitting in the garage).
The downside though is that I will never have the kind of wind protection afforded by a dedicated ST rig. I will never get the kind of seating position a ST bike has. I will never have roomy hard bags like a ST bike. Those are all compromises I decided I was OK with though for the sake of performance.

With a true “RR” bike you do have some other compromises to consider:
-Most lack low end torque. The liter bikes are certainly OK but they are still short compared to some of the big bore ST’s.
-because of the  soft low-end torque most are geared quite short. That means LOTS of revs out on the open road. A typical 600 will be running 6000rpm+ at interstate speeds. The engines take that kind of spinning just fine but the noise is kind of fatiguing on long trips (been there/ done that).
-The super light weight tends to make them get blown around a lot in cross winds or turbulence off of the back of trucks.
-The overall layout is very compact. 2-up in comfort isn’t going to happen and no matter what kind of risers ect you put on it will never be as roomy as a ST bike. It also means limited space for luggage, although you can pack a pretty good amount on one with some creativity, especially for one person
-The riding position is a bit extreme. You can only raise bars and lower pegs so much and even still you will be stuck with a “sporty” riding position.

All that being said, it can be done and if those compromises  don’t bother you they can make a pretty decent medium range tourer for a good price.
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2012, 07:51:59 AM »

Yeah I think there are more potential gotchas modding an R1 than sporting up an FZ1. Not insignificant in the discussion is the light weight, twist-n-flex tail/subframes on most rr/SS bikes. They can hold a 98lb pillion just fine but slap on a real-sized pillion and the game changes. Add real luggage to the mix and it gets messy. Add in tiny pillion seats, tightly tucked knees for both rider and passenger, "perchy" seating for the pillion.... It's just not the right tool forthr job. If you solo tour out of a tank bag and you don't mind the ergos then yeah...

I've done what you're discussing a number of times on a couple different SS bikes and the results are always the same; crappy handling due to extra weight and wind resistance not designed in and complete lack of comfort for the pillion.
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2012, 07:54:57 AM »

The main problem for me has always been lack of hard luggage options. It's pretty much the only reason I bought a Kawasaki ZZR600, I read a thread about some guy who modded a Kawi ZR7 kit to the ZZR. Same thing with the VFR, it's kinda sporty but has nicely integrated OEM saddlebags. Although SW Motech's system looks like a pretty good option for a lot of different bikes. Not fully integrated hard bags, but better mounting than traditional soft luggage.
http://www.twistedthrottle.com/article/articleview/420/1/18/


This is probably the perfect super sport tourer, from an old thread in the Kawi forum:
http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,48971.0.html


Okay, here's a pic of the ZX with the Helibars, Corbin and Vortex rear-sets.  It's hard to tell how much room to get with the higher handlebars and lower footpegs because I don't have a comparison picture... but the handle bars are 2" higher and the footpegs about 1" lower.






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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2012, 08:05:40 AM »

Interesting question with an obvious answer....this Sport-Touring.Net where most ride big fat touring bikes which the Mfg has marketed as a "sport tourer" so the purchaser can comfortably reinforce the illusion that there is something "sporty" about a big fat touring bike.

(It should be noted that nowhere in this post did I mention the FJR) Bigsmile
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2012, 08:20:04 AM »

I bought a 636 to do this, then sold it when I realized I would eventually lose my license if I kept it.  Razz
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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2012, 08:30:24 AM »


Interesting question with an obvious answer....this Sport-Touring.Net where most ride big fat touring bikes which the Mfg has marketed as a "sport tourer" so the purchaser can comfortably reinforce the illusion that there is something "sporty" about a big fat touring bike.

(It should be noted that nowhere in this post did I mention the FJR) Bigsmile


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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2012, 08:36:42 AM »

Thanks for the input!!!  

I ride by myself 99% of the time so 2-up riding isn't an issue or a concern.  I have soft saddle bags that I don't think I could fit 100lbs of weight in them if I filled them with cement.  Besides,  how much underwear do you have to pack for a weekend?  

Yes,  there are compromises with a SS.  No,  it'll never be FJR comfy but I'm looking for VFR comfy.  I'm looking for light weight, good power and easy riding for 500 mile days.  The LSL/spiegler superbike bar kit looks like it really helps the ergos a lot.  

All I'm saying is that the cost to performance to comfort ration seems as though you'd get more bang for your buck with a SS outfitted correctly.

Ultimately,  yes the compromises are on both sides and it's up to the rider (money spender) what is worth more and what isn't
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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2012, 08:54:51 AM »

Meh, ride whatever you want.  In 99% of the cases the bike is much more capable than the rider.  I've yet to be left behind on my pig on the streets (slab or mountain road) when riding alone.  

The ability to comfortably carry a passenger and enough gear in hard luggage for a weekend or a week is just the cherry on top.  The purpose built "sport-touring" machines are exceptional at being the swiss army knives of motorcycles.  The same could be said for the big adventure tourers.  The real compromise is the RR bikes.
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2012, 10:10:00 AM »

Heli-bars, lower pegs, soft bags, and I even have a hard trunk if I care to use it. I did modify the suspension as it's a bit too soft for a larger rider but that's me.



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« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2012, 11:21:47 AM »

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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2012, 11:37:59 AM »

My biggest issue with SuperSports and touring is that unless you are hauling ass they kill you ergo wise. Is just not something I would ever want to do. I rode the GSXR1000 to work a few times (120 miles rt) and that was far enough for me. Why anyone would want to sit on that thing all day is beyond me.  Nuts Shrug
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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2012, 12:20:24 PM »


Thanks for the input!!!  

I ride by myself 99% of the time so 2-up riding isn't an issue or a concern.  I have soft saddle bags that I don't think I could fit 100lbs of weight in them if I filled them with cement.  Besides,  how much underwear do you have to pack for a weekend?  

Yes,  there are compromises with a SS.  No,  it'll never be FJR comfy but I'm looking for VFR comfy.  I'm looking for light weight, good power and easy riding for 500 mile days.  The LSL/spiegler superbike bar kit looks like it really helps the ergos a lot.  

All I'm saying is that the cost to performance to comfort ration seems as though you'd get more bang for your buck with a SS outfitted correctly.

Ultimately,  yes the compromises are on both sides and it's up to the rider (money spender) what is worth more and what isn't


For what you described (riding solo, packing light, 500mi days max) a modded RR will work pretty well. As a bonus, you're not lugging around 200lbs of excess bike during all the times when your not on a trip. I don't see any reason why a GSXR/CBR/ZX/whatever couldn't be made just as comfy as a VFR with a set of risers and some different pegs/rearsets.
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My biggest issue with SuperSports and touring is that unless you are hauling ass they kill you ergo wise. Is just not something I would ever want to do. I rode the GSXR1000 to work a few times (120 miles rt) and that was far enough for me. Why anyone would want to sit on that thing all day is beyond me.  Nuts Shrug


I rode 1500mi in 3 days on a Buell Firebolt (which has similar ergos to your average Japanese SS) with nothing more than a set of the Lightning pegs (1" drop vs. std Firebolt pegs). I actually found it to be quite comfortable with one exception, that plank they call a seat!  Crazy MAN that thing was killing me after the 1st 1000mi!
My brother rode his R1 from Indiana to Cali, up to Washinton state and back home a few years back.
"comfortable" ergos are such a subjective thing.
I really prefer a forward lean with my feet under me so long as my knees aren't crunched up too much. Most modern SS's I find to be pretty comfy, especially the GSXR's with the pegs in their lowest position.
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2012, 12:43:48 PM »

One other consideration is insurance. In many cases a SS is outrageously expensive compared to an ST. Some ST's like the Sprint are considered touring bikes by the ins. companies so are priced like a standard. ($300 yr for full coverage vs. a GSXR 1000, more like $1,000+)
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(It should be noted that nowhere in this post did I mention the FJR) Bigsmile



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One other consideration is insurance.


Agreed.  Why do I need a 180+hp bike for sport touring?  And why would I want the extra worry of having a highly desirable sportbike stolen while I'm traveling somewhere?
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« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2012, 02:38:19 PM »

 You can tour on anything if you want to bad enough.
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« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2012, 03:22:20 PM »

Is the 'busa a SuperSport? I didn't think so but others may have other opinions.

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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2012, 04:18:01 PM »

I still like the idea of touring on a ZX14 or Busa.  Problem is my riding is pretty much commuting to work and jaunts back and forth to Michigan with maybe 30 minutes of curves that arguably could be called twisties, but are really only fun at double the legal speed limit.  Just doesn't seem to justify that kind of power.  Of course, the occasional 300 mile days for fun.  

The insurance is what stopped me in the past.  Plus, I have the Sprint almost where I want it now and it only has 14k+ miles.  I've been toying with the idea of selling the Daytona and replacing it with a dedicated track bike for maybe half the cost and replacing the Sprint with something a bit nicer with the difference, but we'll see.  Anyone see any B-King's for sale?   Cool

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My biggest issue with SuperSports and touring is that unless you are hauling ass they kill you ergo wise. Is just not something I would ever want to do. I rode the GSXR1000 to work a few times (120 miles rt) and that was far enough for me. Why anyone would want to sit on that thing all day is beyond me.  Nuts Shrug


Because a bolt-upright seating position is not good for your back. People are generally too lazy to take the time and train their body to lean forward properly, which allows your back to act more like a springboard than a shock absorber right through your spine. They'd rather have the immediate gratification of a right-now comfortable touring bike. 100 miles on a sport bike is ridiculously easy. I can honestly say that I've felt better after a 650 mile day on my old ZZR600 than I do after 500 miles on the RT-P.
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I still like the idea of touring on a ZX14 or Busa.  Problem is my riding is pretty much commuting to work and jaunts back and forth to Michigan with maybe 30 minutes of curves that arguably could be called twisties, but are really only fun at double the legal speed limit.  Just doesn't seem to justify that kind of power.  Of course, the occasional 300 mile days for fun.  

The insurance is what stopped me in the past.  Plus, I have the Sprint almost where I want it now and it only has 14k+ miles.  I've been toying with the idea of selling the Daytona and replacing it with a dedicated track bike for maybe half the cost and replacing the Sprint with something a bit nicer with the difference, but we'll see.  Anyone see any B-King's for sale?   Cool

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My insurance is $208/yr w/ full coverage/$500ded. I'm 32, married and have 1 ticket on my record (which oddly enough was in a gutless Ford Focus; not the Busa  Lol )
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I prefer the middle ground. Given my low-back issues, a mild lean-over is far, far more comfortable than fully upright, or RR/SS extreme positions.

I could never go back to day-long riding on either of the extremes (RR or cruiser).


Somewhere in the middle seems to be best for me also. My Busa is slightly "forward" of ideal for me but it works. My knees are what really complain on certain bikes. Folding them up tightly for 500+mi/day is a recipe for walking with a limp for a couple of days.  Sad
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« Reply #25 on: April 10, 2012, 05:41:24 PM »

I tour on an r1 no problems. I can do 500+ miles a day for weeks strait. I modded the seat to be flatter and more comfortable and added adjustable apex clip ons. The bikes as comfortable as anything.

For luggage I use a renntec rack. This allows me a 30 litre bag on the rack, a 40 litre on the tail, and a 20 litre tank bag. Thats all I need to use including my camping gear, as I prefer to camp. I've managed 3 week trip with this setup.

I've gone on rides with guys on their 'touring' bikes that have hard saddle bags, hard tail bag, then bags strapped onto those, with a million other things bungied to the top. I'm like wtf are you guys needing all this shit for? and these guys are staying in hotels. People go hiking for months strait with a lightweight backpack!

If I do a trip and plan on staying in hotels I just use a tail bag. So what is the need for all this luggage? I do wish I had hard luggage for security reasons, but if I plan on leaving my bike somewhere I'll check into a nearby hotel that day.
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« Reply #26 on: April 10, 2012, 06:00:53 PM »


Is the 'busa a SuperSport? I didn't think so but others may have other opinions.

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Technically, yes.  I think it's the best compromise between a true lightweight sport bike and a heavy tourer myself.

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Technically, yes.  I think it's the best compromise between a true lightweight sport bike and a heavy tourer myself.




I agree. It had everything I wanted (adjustable suspension, power, handling and more room than a supersport) but far less unnecessary bulk than a touring rig. I can easily get everything I need for 3-5days on the road in my soft bag setup (as well as my tent) , which fits with room to spare on that big ol Busa "ghetto booty"  Lol so I'm good to go.  Thumbsup I can't wait to get some miles on her this year.  Cool
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I agree. It had everything I wanted (adjustable suspension, power, handling and more room than a supersport) but far less unnecessary bulk than a touring rig. I can easily get everything I need for 3-5days on the road in my soft bag setup (as well as my tent) , which fits with room to spare on that big ol Busa "ghetto booty"  Lol so I'm good to go.  Thumbsup I can't wait to get some miles on her this year.  Cool



I'm up to just about 55k now Smile

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« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2012, 07:06:39 PM »

106,000 right now with a three week, 8,000 mile trip coming. I am jonesing for this trip (starts May 20th).

And the 'busa is significantly more comfortable than either Harley (10,000 and 30,000 miles) or the Goldwing (less than 1,000 miles; what a pain in my back and head, not to mention the crazy passenger that insisted I do the speed limit and don't lean so much  Rolleyes )

For a slightly less forward lean, the C14 was really well set up that way. But I still like the 'busa Smile

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« Reply #30 on: April 10, 2012, 07:30:43 PM »


 I've yet to be left behind on my pig on the streets (slab or mountain road) when riding alone.  




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I'm up to just about 55k now Smile

Got in another 1701 miles last weekend - she still runs like a champion and pulls like a train.


I'm just shy of 27,000 right now (bought it the end of last year with a little under 23k). The weather here has been less than cooperative the last several weeks though.  Sad
I hoping I can have another 8000mi year this year. It's hard for me to get much more than that in with 2 young un's and all. Planning on a 1500-2000mi trip this summer and hopefully a few shorter "overnighters". We'll see, gotta wait for mother nature to throw me a bone first.
Seems like I have little to worry about with the big girl though. It's great to hear from other people that have put some more substantial miles on a Busa. I have little doubt that this bike will last the long haul.  Thumbsup The looks may not be everyones cup o' tea but there's little denying that the Busa is one heck of a bike. Cool
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« Reply #32 on: April 10, 2012, 08:45:17 PM »

http://i1120.photobucket.com/albums/l496/hunter261/Picture044.jpg

My buddies 07 ZX-10 in weekend tour mode. Tent, sleeping bag and pad and clothing for a weekend. My little Thruxton had everything but the kitchen sink but I did have the pots and pans.

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While it doesn't have the power of the SS's it has the cramped riding position down pat. The early models (like this one) had the low clip-on's and relatively high and back rear sets but with a Pro Pad gel seat I still managed easy 4 to 500 mile days meandering my way back east.

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I'm planning my next trip in June or July, Maine this time. I figure get a Lobster or 2 for lunch and head back. I'll be taking the 9 as it's a couch in comparison plus the fairing and extra power would only add to the enjoyment of the trip.

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« Reply #33 on: April 10, 2012, 09:56:44 PM »

Always loved the ZX-9R, nice bike. Thumbsup
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« Reply #34 on: April 10, 2012, 10:14:46 PM »

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« Reply #35 on: April 10, 2012, 10:29:11 PM »

Running an older Daytona 1200 for the past year as my touring/LD rig.  With the 5.5 gallon stock tank, a Corbin seat and some 20mm drop foot pegs, I can withstand 1000 mile days.  I have some Fieldsheer saddlebags and top bag to haul the camping gear and stuff.  Just added an Axio hard shell tank bag for the electronics and personal storage.  It's about to reach 50k miles this week after a SS1000 to Moonshine for the festivities and it's not even broken in yet.

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« Reply #36 on: April 10, 2012, 11:30:42 PM »

Okay I'll play... here's my ss in sport-touring mode. I think a 1,500 mile weekend qualifies.
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« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2012, 01:18:45 AM »

My draw to most middleweight ST bikes is that they are good at everything and comfy for me on a day to day basis. I could say the same about adventure bikes but I'm short (it's taking a lot of adjusting to get used to the Multistrada there). As for why I didn't consider getting a SS and using it? Insurance, running cost, no luggage and I don't like inline fours which rules out most of them.
I thought long and hard about doing something like buying a current middleweight standard and adapting it to me needs but I couldn't get decent suspension on any of them.
Every day I ride the multi I love her a little more. I wish her bars were a little lower and she had a banana seat (ST3/Futura was my ideal bike) but I'm adjusting to the up right riding position slowly. It does give you a wonderful amount of control over the bike, especially at low speed.
To the people that want to adapt a SS to ST.. more power to them. Insuring any of the big four liter bikes (600s suck a lot in urban traffic) would cost me 3-4 times what it cost me to insure the Multi or any of the other middleweight ST bikes. Showa stuff on the MTS 1000 DS is quite good suspension wise. I have no complaints 3 weeks in. I'm hunting for a set of bags.. if that fails I'll slap a givi top case on her, get the mounting brackets and find some ST2/3/4 bags to put on her. I suppose I'd rather start with someone designed with compromises I want for the riding I'm doing than try to modify something with a whole different set of compromises into something else.
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« Reply #38 on: April 11, 2012, 01:59:53 AM »

After owning a C-10 Concours and hating the weight and bulk the idea seemed sound to me. I don't ride all that far anymore and I use soft luggage so the lack of hard bags wasn't an issue. I ride mostly by myself so passenger accommodations aren't a big deal. I have no interest or need for 1000 watts of electrical farkles. Unfortunately in this area there's no such thing as a decent SS bike with 15K or even 10K miles. By that time the initial squid owners have crashed them at least once and run the hell run out of them in addition.

I'll pass on a thrashed bike. I bought a new Ninja 1000 instead. The fairing/windshield could be better on the Ninja but the main thing I really miss from the Concours is the seat. The real upside is it's better in every way as a day to day bike.
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« Reply #39 on: April 11, 2012, 07:25:58 AM »

I miss this bike (2005 ZX-6R). Cortech luggage, LuggageLocker tank bag, Alaska Leather sheepskin, and a Puig double-bubble (so I could see the gauges). Otherwise bone stock...

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« Reply #40 on: April 11, 2012, 09:30:02 AM »


Garry, how tall are you and what's your inseam?


6' 3" with a 34" inseam. I was good for all-day rides even though my legs were folded up pretty good under me (YMMV). Not much lean to the bars if I sat up toward the tank (34/35 sleeve length helps there). I wouldn't have minded a set of brackets to lower the pegs an inch, but I was otherwise good with it. Even the stock seat.
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« Reply #41 on: April 11, 2012, 09:48:14 AM »

I'm happy to tour on my naked super-sport.  It has the same handling, suspension and brakes as a supersport, with much less insurance costs.  The power is slightly less than a full-blown supersport, but it also take 87-grade gas and is easy to ride with higher mid-range torque.  

No need for an expensive handlebar kit - it came with one.  I added a center stand, rear rack with topcase adapter, heated grips, flyscreen, Zumo, Sargent seat, and electric vest hook-up.  It has a respectable alternator output - 402w - to run electrics.  I like faired supersports and superbikes, but I don't want to pay the extra insurance money or deal with plastics.

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« Reply #42 on: April 11, 2012, 09:51:02 AM »

I am 6' 2"

I had a BMW K 1200 RS, I sold that and bought myself a Ducati ST 4s

Not exactly a SS, but very small for an ST Bike.
I got fully adjustable suspension and hard bags with itIt also has bar risers and a Corbin (came with them).
I am suprised i don't miss the wind protection the BMW had.
My trip last year was 5500 miles in three weeks which also included qualifing for an Iron Butt Saddle Sore 1000.

I have a friend who ride his Ducati 916 as a touring bike.
He got some soft bags and a soft trunk (?) from RKA and loves it.

So yea, you can tour on whatever you want to.

As a side note, both my buddy and myselfare in the market for a bit bigger of a bike for two up. But we will keeep our Ducks.
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« Reply #43 on: April 11, 2012, 10:00:28 AM »

My favorite touring bike has to be my zx-14. I've added a seat from a C-14, bar riser blocks, PR-2s, Givi plx-v35 bags on removable hardware from Twisted throttle, and sometimes a taller windshield. I had the magnetic tank bag base modified to fit the metal/plastic of the tank. So now it's part strap-on, part magnet. I add a Willie and Max "the hooker" under the seat so I have a place for tie downs.
As long as my 51 year old body can take it, I'll keep riding it...


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« Reply #44 on: April 11, 2012, 10:05:08 AM »

Frenchie, have you had the chance to ride a SS with HeliBars on it? My friends 07 ZX-10 has them, while I find it weird feeling being long armed/legged, he finds it very comfortable. He is only 5'8 or so and I think he has less forward lean than I do when I'm on my 9.

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« Reply #45 on: April 11, 2012, 10:09:53 AM »




I'm 5'6" with a 29.5" inseam. I generated these images on cycle-ergo.com. I find the 636 bordering on unridable for me with stock ergos. Short torso and short arms don't do much for the SS/RR riding position.  Sad

The first image shows you on your bike, then the second shows me on your bike.

You're at a 38* forward lean where I'm at a 45* forward lean.



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« Reply #46 on: April 11, 2012, 10:11:32 AM »

You'd think these midgets could ride a bike built for little Japanese folks.


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« Reply #47 on: April 11, 2012, 10:14:28 AM »

I left the remainder of my front tire on the range last night.  I'm sitting here waiting for brown Santa to arrive.
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« Reply #48 on: April 11, 2012, 10:36:19 AM »

and to top it off now it's snowing.
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« Reply #49 on: April 11, 2012, 10:43:29 AM »

I miss my 636

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Although if I went back to SS bikes I would try to find an 05 ZX10R, or maybe by then Kawasaki will have redesigned the body work to look good and I would just buy new.
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« Reply #50 on: April 11, 2012, 11:36:05 AM »


Okay I'll play... here's my ss in sport-touring mode. I think a 1,500 mile weekend qualifies.
http://i956.photobucket.com/albums/ae42/axelwik/P1020047.jpg


 That's pretty much the same setup my neighbor had on his '96 last month on our 1250 mile trip through Death Valley 'cept he had a tailpack too. Bastard averaged well over 50 MPG too with flat slides, and a Spaghetti exhaust. Course he only weighs 140 soaking wet.
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« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2012, 01:22:32 PM »

Insurance is barely more for my CBR than for my Adventure. my '11 adventure is $312/yr. '03 CBR954 was $318, and the new to me '04 CBR1000 that I traded the '03 for is $328?? I don' see insurance being an issue unles you are young. The reason I like touring on a SS (or adventure bike) is that you can find a nice area and get a room for a couple days, leaving all your crap in the room and allowing you to run the twisties or explore the back roads with an "appropriate machine" Wink Smile
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« Reply #52 on: April 11, 2012, 03:11:58 PM »

I did.

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What is that thing on top of the front tire?  'cuse me....tyre.
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« Reply #54 on: April 11, 2012, 05:07:42 PM »

I'm with the OP. I've been wanting a 2003 GSXR1000 to make into a SPORTtouring bike for years. I think they look great, and are an LSL kit and luggage away from being very good weekender+ bikes. I was about to do it this past winter, but a very good deal on a CBR1100XX all farkled up came along, so the GSXR has been postponed. Maybe next winter...
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What is that thing on top of the front tire?  'cuse me....tyre.


Petrol tank. 1/3 brake horse power engine. The electrical bits. In three parts-just like the Trinity.  Smile
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« Reply #56 on: April 11, 2012, 09:38:32 PM »

notarian has posted numerous drool worthy reports with him touring Europe-land on his stock Ducati 1098.
All he had was a tail bag.

I think some of you lot are just soft.

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« Reply #57 on: April 11, 2012, 10:39:38 PM »


I miss this bike (2005 ZX-6R). Cortech luggage, LuggageLocker tank bag, Alaska Leather sheepskin, and a Puig double-bubble (so I could see the gauges). Otherwise bone stock...

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Last good looking ZX-6R. How was the torque on those things? Did the extra 36cc make a difference versus the usual 600?
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Last good looking ZX-6R. How was the torque on those things? Did the extra 36cc make a difference versus the usual 600?


I agree on the looks. Torque was better than a 600, but not majorly so. Part of the reason for selling it to buy the KTM was wanting to be lazier on the street and just surf a bit more torque. As much as I liked the bike, I never got my head around life at 10K-12K RPM on the street. The bike pulled cleanly from 6K, but things got more interesting once you got to 10K.
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« Reply #59 on: April 11, 2012, 11:44:57 PM »


I still like the idea of touring on a ZX14 or Busa.  Problem is my riding is pretty much commuting to work and jaunts back and forth to Michigan with maybe 30 minutes of curves that arguably could be called twisties, but are really only fun at double the legal speed limit.  Just doesn't seem to justify that kind of power.  Of course, the occasional 300 mile days for fun.  

The insurance is what stopped me in the past.  Plus, I have the Sprint almost where I want it now and it only has 14k+ miles.  I've been toying with the idea of selling the Daytona and replacing it with a dedicated track bike for maybe half the cost and replacing the Sprint with something a bit nicer with the difference, but we'll see.  Anyone see any B-King's for sale?   Cool

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On the open road I've seen 45mpg with a few runs into triple digits.   It's no lightweight touring bike but its hella fun and reasonably comfortable for all day riding.  Fully adjustable suspension and stout chassis keep things civil.  

Insurance is very affordable despite the Busa powerplant.   Progressive insures mine + my vfr full coverage for ~ 700 year.    The kings are a lot more flexible than they look.   The screen and top box turn a great naked bike into a nicely overpowered weekender.  

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notarian has posted numerous drool worthy reports with him touring Europe-land on his stock Ducati 1098.
All he had was a tail bag.

I think some of you lot are just soft.

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« Reply #61 on: April 12, 2012, 10:38:51 AM »




I think some of you lot are just soft.

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« Reply #62 on: April 12, 2012, 12:13:27 PM »


notarian has posted numerous drool worthy reports with him touring Europe-land on his stock Ducati 1098.
All he had was a tail bag.

I think some of you lot are just soft.

 Razz


Agreed.  
If you have to pack so much that it destroys the handling of a SS maybe you could leave a few "luxuries" behind :pokestick:
Here's me with 3 days worth of stuff, a tent, and TONS of emergency supplies (my fellow travelers were less than prepared for an emergency so I doubled up for their sake) as well as some stuff from the others since I still had room left. It's not like an XB is a roomy bike either.  Lol
Running the dragon I couldn't even tell that stuff was back there. Pack light and distribute it evenly with the heavy stuff mounted low. That setup worked fantastically for me and I could have easily stretched it another 2-3days without packing any more (a laundry stop would have been in order).
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Agreed.  
If you have to pack so much that it destroys the handling of a SS maybe you could leave a few "luxuries" behind :pokestick:
Here's me with 3 days worth of stuff, a tent, and TONS of emergency supplies (my fellow travelers were less than prepared for an emergency so I doubled up for their sake) as well as some stuff from the others since I still had room left. It's not like an XB is a roomy bike either.  Lol
Running the dragon I couldn't even tell that stuff was back there. Pack light and distribute it evenly with the heavy stuff mounted low. That setup worked fantastically for me and I could have easily stretched it another 2-3days without packing any more (a laundry stop would have been in order).



That's a Dowco luggage set. I have the same one including their small tank bag. The stuff is low $ and works great. I also own a larger Fieldsheer tank bag I use when I don't want to take the all the luggage.

If I need to take more stuff along I'll take my 4Runner.
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That's a Dowco luggage set. I have the same one including their small tank bag. The stuff is low $ and works great. I also own a larger Fieldsheer tank bag I use when I don't want to take the all the luggage.

If I need to take more stuff along I'll take my 4Runner.


Yup.
 I took a chance and bought cheap. Turned out to be a pretty nice set with PLENTY of room. I can't speak for water resistance as I've only had them in a light rain; kept the water out in that though. I always pack my stuff in 2gal zip-lock bags so even if the they do leak I still have dry undies.  Bigsmile
I kept the luggage even though I sold the Buell. I use the tail bag ALL the time on my Busa. The beauty of soft luggage, to me, is that it'll fit on ANY bike quickly and easily.  Thumbsup
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« Reply #65 on: April 12, 2012, 01:44:24 PM »




Yup.
 I took a chance and bought cheap. Turned out to be a pretty nice set with PLENTY of room. I can't speak for water resistance as I've only had them in a light rain; kept the water out in that though. I always pack my stuff in 2gal zip-lock bags so even if the they do leak I still have dry undies.  Bigsmile
I kept the luggage even though I sold the Buell. I use the tail bag ALL the time on my Busa. The beauty of soft luggage, to me, is that it'll fit on ANY bike quickly and easily.  Thumbsup


+1 The little tank bag lives on my Ninja. I use it as a glove box. The other stuff can be on in under 2 minutes if I need it. And I don't have a ton of plumbing hanging on my bike.

The attached pull-out rain covers work ok in light rain. I haven't tried them in a downpour and I don't intend to ride in one ever again. Famous last words...
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« Reply #66 on: April 12, 2012, 02:16:25 PM »




Isn't Europe like 3 hours from end to end?   couch


On a Ducati 1098, yes.
On a Guzzi about 5 hours (it takes a while to fight off the adulating crowds)

On the land marshmallows that some of you seem to prefer, about 1 week...
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« Reply #67 on: April 12, 2012, 06:39:31 PM »

I've ridden both types.  It all boils down to wants and needs.

SS type bike -  minimum luggage (If you're gonna slap 50 lbs on an SS why bother, handling is gonna suck) -   No large mods to ergo's (if you're gonna drop the pegs and raise the bars, again, why bother with an SS, compromising ergos for comfort defeats their purpose.) As they are designed the are great for attacking the turns at go to jail speeds.  Inlove

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« Reply #68 on: April 12, 2012, 11:23:07 PM »

Here's my '04 SV1000 w/ LSL kit:
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« Reply #69 on: April 13, 2012, 12:21:13 AM »

I toured on my Buell Firebolt with a duffel bag and a small tank bag.  I found it to be a very good highway companion due to a relaxed engine, relaxed but sporty sportbike ergos, maintenance-free belt drive, and when the road got twisty it was a ton of fun at a mere 450 lbs. wet.  

What I don't enjoy when I'm touring is how heavy a bike can be when loaded down with all kinds of touring shit.  Especially at low speed.  My preferred mode of touring is "light".  Pack a minimum of crap and just ride.  The most essentials are cold weather/warm weather gear, personal hygiene stuff, flat tire repair kit, cell phone, and wallet.  The rest I can just buy.  No camping for me.  Too much stuff to carry.

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« Reply #70 on: April 13, 2012, 12:27:44 AM »

Having said all that, you can just buy one of the best do-it-all motorcycles for that mythical $7k price and be done with it in one fell swoop.  Centerstand, fuel gauge, wind protection, reliability, single sided swingarm for easy chain maintenance, and comfortable sporty ergos.  

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« Reply #71 on: April 13, 2012, 01:55:04 AM »

I modded my 2004 CBR1000RR for touring.  I put the Convertbars adjustable handlebars, a corbin seat, laminar lip, soft bags and would tour for two weeks at a time at age 52.  It was okay; can't say I was really comfortable but it was tolerable.  The bike was great in the canyons and good on tour.  But there is only so much you can do to make it comfortable on an RR.  

I sold that and bought a ZX14 new.  Put Heli's on, a corbin seat (only for touring), same soft bags and a laminar lip.  Now I can tour in full comfort. The bike is great on tour and very good in the canyons.  That is a better balance for me than the CBR was.  Oh yes, the CBR would get blown all around in the winds.  The ZX is stable as hell.
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« Reply #72 on: April 13, 2012, 02:04:09 AM »

FWitsW, on the weekend I passed 180,000kms on my '02 BlackBird. I'm 67, retired, and only tour or do day rides. I have a full Givi hard bag set up, Corbin GFL, Heli Bars, and upgrades suspension rear and front. I average 18,000 kms per year in the last ten years of Bird ownership. My closest riding friends ride BlackBirds also. I could post up pics of scraped fairings. A well set up Bird is a pleasure to tour on and can scratch with many litre bikes. It's very user friendly, bullet proof engine, and it's a Honda. I added a full lighting kit to the Givi, running, brake, turn signals for safety and when riding at dawn or dusk. There are still Birds for sale in the USA that have been farkled out, low milage, for as low as $3,500 to $5,500. It's one of the best ST bikes for your money.  
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« Reply #73 on: April 13, 2012, 02:27:25 PM »


Having said all that, you can just buy one of the best do-it-all motorcycles for that mythical $7k price and be done with it in one fell swoop.  Centerstand, fuel gauge, wind protection, reliability, single sided swingarm for easy chain maintenance, and comfortable sporty ergos.

Head says VFR, midlife crisis says CBR. Decisions, decisions...

I notice the 800 isn't even on the Honda site anymore -- 1200 only for the foreseeable future?
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« Reply #74 on: April 13, 2012, 02:36:52 PM »






Great pic, Carmel Valley Road?
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I notice the 800 isn't even on the Honda site anymore -- 1200 only for the foreseeable future?


The upside is you can buy a new 1200 for less than a new (I guess leftover now) 800.
1200 is going for $10K last time I checked.
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« Reply #75 on: April 13, 2012, 02:56:06 PM »

zx14 with hard luggage.  Pertty easy to do from twisted throttle.  Don't think you can do this with a 'busa

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« Reply #76 on: April 13, 2012, 03:08:42 PM »


zx14 with hard luggage.  Pertty easy to do from twisted throttle.  Don't think you can do this with a 'busa




Do you have a pic of it from the rear?

The problem with doing it this way is the bags stick waaay out, as the bike was never originally designed for those generic bags.
On my Duc St4s, the bags are designed for the bike, so they mount really close and follow the curves of the bodywork.  This means the widest part of the bike are the mirrors.  Handy for cutting through traffic etc. (as well as looking better)
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« Reply #77 on: April 13, 2012, 03:48:23 PM »


zx14 with hard luggage.  Pertty easy to do from twisted throttle.  Don't think you can do this with a 'busa




The only problem with saying such things about my 'busa is we'll find the pics Smile



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I know one guy here who had the 40 liter hard cases mounted as saddlebags.

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Do you have a pic of it from the rear?

The problem with doing it this way is the bags stick waaay out, as the bike was never originally designed for those generic bags.
On my Duc St4s, the bags are designed for the bike, so they mount really close and follow the curves of the bodywork.  This means the widest part of the bike are the mirrors.  Handy for cutting through traffic etc. (as well as looking better)


You have the Corbin Beetle Bags which are configured to fit the bike. They're a tad on the expensive side though. I like my soft bags really.

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« Reply #79 on: April 13, 2012, 04:02:09 PM »

always toured on sport bikes, Ducati 900 ss, ZX-9, Hayabusa, RC-51 and lately a 06 GSXR 1000, which after using it for deer hunting has been replaced with a new 2011 GSXR 1000. On the 06 i lowered the pegs 3/4 inch, added some heavy stainless bar ends to tame some high freq. vibes and.... well that's it. Mounted up some ventura lugage and a tank bag and good for a couple week trip. Oh and a GP pipe..Mmmm.

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Do you have a pic of it from the rear?

The problem with doing it this way is the bags stick waaay out, as the bike was never originally designed for those generic bags.
On my Duc St4s, the bags are designed for the bike, so they mount really close and follow the curves of the bodywork.  This means the widest part of the bike are the mirrors.  Handy for cutting through traffic etc. (as well as looking better)


Out of curiosity I went into the garage to measure.....

Zx-14 with Givi bags on Twistedthrottle/swmotech rack system = 41" at the widest.
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'06 FJR with factory bags = 37" at the widest.
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The racks on the Zx-14 couldn't fit much closer. The plastic on the tail section gets a little wider near the middle of the bag.
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t307/erikramsted/DSCF3099.jpg


I guess I don't really care how far they stick out. I can't split lanes here. What matters is the set up works for me. If it's not for you, well then, I guess you won't put Givis on a '14. I tried soft bags for a few years, but they rubbed through the paint on the tail section. The Givis worked perfectly for 2 5000 miles road trips last year.
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« Reply #81 on: April 13, 2012, 06:17:15 PM »

Thanks for the real life measurements.
Slightly off topic, I wonder how wide the Motus is with bags, seeing that they are using generic Givi bags too.
Or did Motus work on keeping it narrow?
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« Reply #82 on: April 13, 2012, 06:18:54 PM »

Because it's a factory option, I'm assuming the width was taking into account in the design of the bike and the racks for the side bags.  Hell, they better have gotten it right for $30+K!!!

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always toured on sport bikes, Ducati 900 ss, ZX-9, Hayabusa, RC-51 and lately a 06 GSXR 1000, which after using it for deer hunting has been replaced with a new 2011 GSXR 1000. On the 06 i lowered the pegs 3/4 inch, added some heavy stainless bar ends to tame some high freq. vibes and.... well that's it. Mounted up some ventura lugage and a tank bag and good for a couple week trip. Oh and a GP pipe..Mmmm.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o117/Hinterlan/IMG_0144.jpg

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  I sorry but I find absolutely nothing appealing about your set-up.
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« Reply #84 on: April 13, 2012, 07:28:14 PM »


I guess I don't really care how far they stick out. I can't split lanes here. What matters is the set up works for me. If it's not for you, well then, I guess you won't put Givis on a '14. I tried soft bags for a few years, but they rubbed through the paint on the tail section. The Givis worked perfectly for 2 5000 miles road trips last year.


I used contact paper under my soft bags, but after the 2nd or 3rd time it fell over in the garage, I wasn't too worried about it any more Smile I figure if I do sell it, I can just grab a replacement set of plastic for a few bucks and keep the old plastic as a trophy in the garage Bigsmile

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always toured on sport bikes, Ducati 900 ss, ZX-9, Hayabusa, RC-51 and lately a 06 GSXR 1000, which after using it for deer hunting has been replaced with a new 2011 GSXR 1000. On the 06 i lowered the pegs 3/4 inch, added some heavy stainless bar ends to tame some high freq. vibes and.... well that's it. Mounted up some ventura lugage and a tank bag and good for a couple week trip. Oh and a GP pipe..Mmmm.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o117/Hinterlan/IMG_0144.jpg

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o117/Hinterlan/100_0756.jpg


HOLY CRAP! Maybe you should go back a page or 2 and read the conversation on "packing light with a SS"  Lol
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« Reply #86 on: April 13, 2012, 08:41:36 PM »



The only problem with saying such things about my 'busa is we'll find the pics Smile





+1 - swmotech makes multiple luggage racks for the busa - one for the e series and one for the v series.

I just use the top case myself. If you pack smart it's more than enough - and I like the narrow profile. If I need more room, I just strap a drybag on the back seat.
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  I sorry but I find absolutely nothing appealing about your set-up.


Well since we're all voicing opinions, I think it's awesome. Thumbsup
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« Reply #88 on: April 13, 2012, 10:39:01 PM »

10 things you can not easily (edited) modify on a race replica bike.

1) Fuel Range. A deal breaker in southern Nevada
2) Close ratio transmissions. They do over 100 in 1st, and every shift after that feel like a wasted effort
3) Engine vibs. None are counterbalanced
4) Touring amenites. You'll miss those bungie straps.
5) Ultra light weight flywheels. Pull in the clutch and the revs plummet, makes shifting a pain
6) Stability in the wind.
7) Narrow seats and less potential for aftermarket improvement.
8) Peaky powerbands.  All that power goes to waste on tour (Unless you ride like an a-hole)
9) Weather protection
10) Small alternators

This thread is done  Lol Just kidding...

All of those things can be rendered pointless complaining but here's what it all boils down to.  All these high and mighty numbnuts like to proclaim how "you can't use all that power anyway" so I will argue you can't use all that cornering ability of a race replica on the street.  So why not give up some cornering prowess and treat yourself to a bike that is better suited for touring and buy a novice owned $2500 used race bike.
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1) Fuel Range. A deal breaker in southern Nevada


That can be fixed.

tourtank.com

Of course, there goes your room for luggage.


10) Small alternators


Say's the blackbird rider.  Lol
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« Reply #90 on: April 14, 2012, 01:23:16 AM »

AT, yup Carmel Valley Road.  You and I probably have near-identical pictures of roads in the Central Coast.  Love riding there.  My dream is to retire anywhere there and just ride around all day every day.

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Head says VFR, midlife crisis says CBR. Decisions, decisions...

I notice the 800 isn't even on the Honda site anymore -- 1200 only for the foreseeable future?


No more VFR800 in the US.  It's replaced by VFR1200 since 2010.  The 800 has now morphed into the more fashionable adventure sport bike with the same chassis with longer wheel travel and different body.  

But if you're looking for a bargain then any well cared for VFR800 will do very well.  Not that a CBR would be bad.  It's just easier to tour on a bike with the stuff all street bike should have but been deleted since the late 1990's--things like a centerstand, fuel gauge, and a nice big windscreen.  I like the VFR800 because it occupies the middle ground.  Equivalent bikes are the Triumph Sprint ST, BMW F800ST (still available new), a few others I can't think of right now.
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« Reply #92 on: April 14, 2012, 08:48:45 AM »




HOLY CRAP! Maybe you should go back a page or 2 and read the conversation on "packing light with a SS"  Lol
Is that a kitchen sink I see in that rear most blue bag?????  Rolleyes Lol



This set up was for a solo trip down to Kentucky, I set up camp at Natural bridge State Park and then went out on day trips with just the tank bag. And the kitchen was In the blue bag, Msr stove, pots, bowls, the whole camping setup, tent, bag, pad, pillow. The blue bag on top had my folding chair in it. Twofinger
This is the usual set up, tank bag and Ventura,

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o117/Hinterlan/DSC01887.jpg
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« Reply #93 on: April 14, 2012, 12:18:51 PM »





This set up was for a solo trip down to Kentucky, I set up camp at Natural bridge State Park and then went out on day trips with just the tank bag. And the kitchen was In the blue bag, Msr stove, pots, bowls, the whole camping setup, tent, bag, pad, pillow. The blue bag on top had my folding chair in it. Twofinger
This is the usual set up, tank bag and Ventura,

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o117/Hinterlan/DSC01887.jpg


Just givin' you a hard time.  Lol
I tend to pack pretty light so to me that looks like about 1/2 a years worth of supplies.  Lol
You obviously use your bike and seem to have a good time so you'll never get more than a mild ribbing from me.  Beerchug
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« Reply #94 on: April 14, 2012, 04:06:56 PM »

My CBR1100XX has helibars, pegs from a Buell X12 lowering my feet an inch (I'm 5'10"). I added a Zero Gravity touring screen to give me a little more air deflection. It's pretty comfortable. You should squeeze the tank with your knees to keep from sliding forward- that's with any sport bike. The set up lets me sit fairly upright if I'm just cruising along. A laminar lip might be added to deflect the air a little higher on me, but that's it. A guy in my club just sold his- a '99 with 9,000, yes 9,000 miles on it with lots of extra goodies for $4200.

On my SV650, I put higher handle bars (from an XR100+longer brake&clutch lines)- it's a naked SV), lower pegs, and a national cycle windscreen, done.

Both bikes have head light pulsers (Kisann), rear racks, center stands and light weight mufflers.  I've done 500 mile days on the CBR, and the SV would be even easier. Make sure you have a tire plugger kit and first aid kit.

BTW, I find that a heavy tank bag (Oxford)makes the bike want to tip over, especially the XX when I'm parking or just moving  it at walking speed, so watch how you load your bike. Go to RiderWarehouse for light weight stuff.  I especially like the micro fiber pants. Jeans are heavy & bulky. Have fun. Thumbsup  
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