George Zimmerman arrested

[Hambonee]

4 witnesses make significant changes to their testimony in favor of Martin. I guess having 39 million people in a blind rage at me might make me rethink what I saw too.

Or actually evaluating what you saw. Since these witnesses are known as nothing more than witness # something they are usually pretty shielded from said blind rage. That same rage goes both directions.

[Giaka]

4 witnesses make significant changes to their testimony in favor of Martin. I guess having 39 million people in a blind rage at me might make me rethink what I saw too.

Witnesses are skured.

[zer0netgain]

Or actually evaluating what you saw. Since these witnesses are known as nothing more than witness # something they are usually pretty shielded from said blind rage. That same rage goes both directions.

Until they are called to testify...never mind the rumor mill of neighbors who know who talked to the cops.

[Hambonee]

Until they are called to testify...never mind the rumor mill of neighbors who know who talked to the cops.

Hmm..so most people accept that the injuries reported after the fact to Zimmerman shed some new light on the case...

HOWEVER..when the reverse happens and we find out some things we MAY have taken as fact may need to be reconsidered on the side against Zimmerman's self defense claim it's suddenly all do to fear, coercion, etc etc..seems it's pretty ok to armchair it one way..

interesting...

[Giaka]

Hmm..so most people accept that the injuries reported after the fact to Zimmerman shed some new light on the case...

HOWEVER..when the reverse happens and we find out some things we MAY have taken as fact may need to be reconsidered on the side against Zimmerman's self defense claim it's suddenly all do to fear, coercion, etc etc..seems it's pretty ok to armchair it one way..

interesting...

Mostly because a witness changing their story many days after what happened to the contrary to what they said minutes after what happen is straight up bullshit.

[Mr. Whippy]

Mostly because a witness changing their story many days after what happened to the contrary to what they said minutes after what happen is straight up bullshit.

Well, there is that...

I heard George Zimmerman was at Woodstock.  Someone came forward and now remembers him there.

[Hambonee]

Mostly because a witness changing their story many days after what happened to the contrary to what they said minutes after what happen is straight up bullshit.

Actually..if you look at the changes they all make perfect sense..

Once actually thought it was Trayvon on top..she later said Zimmerman was on top because she recognized his size based on news reports..
One just confirmed they can't actually tell who was yelling..voice analysis came to the same conclusion.
Both of these relied on "common sense" arguments that OF COURSE Trayvon was on top and the aggressor....I'll let YOU determine why you feel this is an OF COURSE thing..

Another just clarified their testimony by adding..He later went into detail and described Zimmerman’s tone right after the shooting as casual, like the shooting was “nothing.”
Another just clarified that she only saw one person running and couldn’t distinguish much because she had removed her contact lenses.
Both of these are additions under further questioning. Not sure if they qualify as changing their story..

Please explain to me how any of this is BS?

Ohh..feel like Perry Mason hahaha  

[coho]

Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable.

[Hambonee]

Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable.

except both sides want to quote them to prove their argument..until it floats the other way and then it's just BS.  

[Mr. Whippy]

except both sides want to quote them to prove their argument..until it floats the other way and then it's just BS.  

I believe the physical evidence tips towards Zimmerman's story.  At least most unbiased sources seem to think so.

[bomber]

I believe the physical evidence tips towards Zimmerman's story.  At least most unbiased sources seem to think so.

Whip -- how do you ID an unbiased source? Sincere question.

[Mookie]

Whip -- how do you ID an unbiased source? Sincere question.

Well, if it agrees with his preconceived notions, then it's unbiased.  

[Mr. Whippy]

Whip -- how do you ID an unbiased source? Sincere question.

Of course, no one is truly unbiased, but legal consultants on MSNBC, CNN, and NPR.  All have said that the physical evidence seems to support Zimmerman's account.--at least none of it is inconsistent with his account.

[Mr. Whippy]

Well, if it agrees with his preconceived notions, then it's unbiased.  

Aw,  so grouchy on a Wednesday afternoon.  IPO problems?

[Mookie]

Hah!  I'm not dumb enough or rich enough to blow my money on FaceBook.

[bomber]

Of course, no one is truly unbiased, but legal consultants on MSNBC, CNN, and NPR.  

Fair enough.

All have said that the physical evidence seems to support Zimmerman's account.--at least none of it is inconsistent with his account.

These are not equal statements, in a court of law, yes? Just trying to be specific, neutral, and allowing the process to work out before, you know, jumping to conclusions.

;-}

[Mr. Whippy]

These are not equal statements, in a court of law, yes? Just trying to be specific, neutral, and allowing the process to work out before, you know, jumping to conclusions.

;-}

No they're not equal.  But going back to the innocent until proven guilty:  If the physical evidence is not inconsistent with Zimmerman's account, that goes a VERY LONG way to establishing reasonable doubt--

Or so my son (who graduated from Georgetown Law on Sunday--and started work on Monday  )  says.

[bomber]

No they're not equal.  But going back to the innocent until proven guilty:  If the physical evidence is not inconsistent with Zimmerman's account, that goes a VERY LONG way to establishing reasonable doubt--

Or so my son (who graduated from Georgetown Law on Sunday--and started work on Monday  )  says.

All true -- congrats to the recent grad dand proud poppa, both!

[Hardware]

Funny..everything I read states the following:
"Among other issues, it didn't conduct a drug or alcohol test on Zimmerman, although that's standard practice in homicide probes,"

News agencies, press releases, from local to national etc etc..hell..its even common sense as a piss test or taking a piece of hair isn't very..umm..invasive..and might..umm..be a good idea in the case of a shooting.

There are a lot of procedures in general with anything that are followed grounds or not as it's good practice...suspected or not...

Unless there's specific authority under statute, or reasonable grounds to obtain a warrant, any evidence gathered from a person (or private property) simply because Monday morning quarterbacks feel it's "common sense" runs the risk of becoming inadmissible.  "Grounds or not"...that's a mistrial right there...

[satxbonneville]

Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable.

"Rashomon"