Your bikes are used up after 10K miles!

[atadaskew]

The latest issue of Super Street Bike (May, p.67) remarks that at 10K miles a streetbike's engine is done.  That it's the equivalent to 100K on a car.  It's past peak.  They say "avoid the 10K mark like the plague."    

[Cablebandit]

Rats.  So I need to buy a new bike every few months?  

[gradus]

Damn, my car and bike are all used up.  Time to take the bus.  

[greench440]

There was so much shit on that linked page I didn't know where to look.  

[atadaskew]

There was so much shit on that linked page I didn't know where to look.  

I removed the website link as it is in the magazine, not on the site.

[Biking Sailor]

And I was told my bike was not properly broken in until it had 20,000 miles!  

[slvrsprint]

What a squidfest that site is.

That's what you say when buying a bike that has 20,000 on it.  Not when selling one.

I guess I've used up 17 engines worth in my 2 Triumphs so far.

[black hills]

Damn! everything I own is worn out. How my VFR or CBR made it to 50k is beyond me?? and I thought they were still running fine? Now my new to me CBR (9000mi.) and Adventure (9500mi.) are both going to have to be replaced  and I was just getting used to them......

[dm_gsxr]

I think we ought to thank them for providing us with cheap used bikes that squids think are done at 10,000 miles.



Carl

[black hills]

I think we ought to thank them for providing us with cheap used bikes that squids think are done at 10,000 miles.



Carl

   great if you are buying, not so good for selling...

[dm_gsxr]

   great if you are buying, not so good for selling...

But why would you sell it at 10,000 miles? Heck that's only a month or two after buying it, not even a full season.



Carl

[Justin]

   great if you are buying, not so good for selling...

I don't buy bikes as an investment, or even think about resale when I purchase. I ride them into the ground

[black hills]

But why would you sell it at 10,000 miles? Heck that's only a month or two after buying it, not even a full season.



Carl

true, the lowest mileage bike I wver sold was a VTX1800. I hated it and still managed 12k before I traded it for a CBR

[Kneescrubber]

I don't buy bikes as an investment, or even think about resale when I purchase. I ride them into the ground

Same here. I've never owned a bike less than 10 years and 80k+. I guess that's why I've had so few bikes even though I've been riding for 30+ years.

[Zixxerpilot]

Someone needs to tell Ed! Then be can send them a pic of hos odometer.

Who wrote that retarded mess?

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[JSharp]

There was so much shit on that linked page I didn't know where to look.  

You just don't know where to look.

Skip all the squid crap. Go straight to the girls.

[ConPilot1]

Well sure when you sit at bike night and play Slayer throttle-riffs with your squiddly homies bouncing it off the rev limiter,
of course the motors are shot at 10k.

[Joey Stalin]

OP must be misquoting or omitting other parts of the story. Because otherwise it's too stupid to believe that they would actually print that.

[kwb377]

Well sure when you sit at bike night and play Slayer throttle-riffs with your squiddly homies bouncing it off the rev limiter,
of course the motors are shot at 10k.

This right here...

You guys are assuming a bike that's ridden normally and maintained with some semblance of regularity...the target audience of that magazine generally is only familiar with lowering their bikes and pegging the throttle WFO in neutral. .

[Giaka]

Dammit, I need all new bikes. Oh wait..............

[Tpoppa]

10k may be approaching the limit for a track only bike.  That's barely broken in for a streetbike.

[falconati]

Most people on that site have trouble staying alive for that many miles.

[Rincewind]

Send all of your used up bikes to Rincewind's Recycling Service.  

[atadaskew]

OP must be misquoting or omitting other parts of the story. Because otherwise it's too stupid to believe that they would actually print that.

May edition, page 67...

[Rattlehead]

10k may be approaching the limit for a track only bike.  That's barely broken in for a streetbike.

I’m also a member over at gixxer.com and there are guys there with 60-70,000mi on their track bikes. They may not be all track miles but still.

I know there's one guy who had like 260,000mi, or something like that, before a deer ended his run on a GSXR750. I think he’s a member here????  

You’d have to try, and I mean REALLY, REALLY try to kill a modern bike by 10,000mi. It would take an epic level of stupidity to accomplish.  

That is perhaps the most idiotic thing I’ve heard of being put into print in a LONG time. The bad thing about them printing garbage like this is that idiots take it as gospel truth and anyone selling a sportbike with a few miles on it just lost their resale.  

[et]

I’m also a member over at gixxer.com and there are guys there with 60-70,000mi on their track bikes. They may not be all track miles but still.

I know there's one guy who had like 260,000mi, or something like that, before a deer ended his run on a GSXR750. I think he’s a member here????  

You’d have to try, and I mean REALLY, REALLY try to kill a modern bike by 10,000mi. It would take an epic level of stupidity to accomplish.  

That is perhaps the most idiotic thing I’ve heard of being put into print in a LONG time. The bad thing about them printing garbage like this is that idiots take it as gospel truth and anyone selling a sportbike with a few miles on it just lost their resale.  

Yes I am a member.  
http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,67510.0.html

And anyone who  thinks a motorcycle is done at 10k is an idiot.

[Bruce Bogtrotter]

I don't buy bikes as an investment, or even think about resale when I purchase. I ride them into the ground

Agree 100%

You should see bicycle forums -- it's like a bunch of girls talking about the season's hot purses, except that their purse is a $5000 piece of carbon fiber that saves them 10 watts over the previous $5000 nail.

[Rogue]

The latest issue of Super Street Bike (May, p.67) remarks that at 10K miles a streetbike's engine is done.  That it's the equivalent to 100K on a car.  It's past peak.  They say "avoid the 10K mark like the plague."    

What the heck are you doing reading that shit-azz magazine?

[cultureslayer]

I had an insurance adjuster try to pull that crap when my bike was run over with 20k on it.  

My current one is almost at 30k, I would say I'd ride it until it dies but I'd really prefer to graduate and upgrade instead.

[dietDrThunder]

I know of a CBR600F2 that had over 60,000 racing miles on it, and never had more than an oil change and valve adjustment. The bike was converted to a race bike shortly after bought new, and was raced exclusively (literally 0 street use) for something like 12 years...3 of which were endurance racing.

Obviously we all know how silly that 10k thing is, but it's fun to think up examples.

Let's see, I apparently wore out 6.5 Daytona 1200 motors, 5+ V65 Sabre motors, 4 VF700F motors, 3 VF1000R motors, and I'm into my 6th CBR1100XX motor with much of the work done my the PO. I did dyno it recently, and with slip-ons and no other tuning it only managed 144.2bhp and 86ft/lbs of torque. Those numbers are at LEAST 1% lower than what I'd expect when the bike was new. Definitely time for the scrap heap.

[dietDrThunder]

10k may be approaching the limit for a track only bike.  That's barely broken in for a streetbike.

Not even...see posts above.

[UFO]

The latest issue of Super Street Bike (May, p.67) remarks that at 10K miles a streetbike's engine is done.  That it's the equivalent to 100K on a car.  It's past peak.  They say "avoid the 10K mark like the plague."    

How do people like this get the jobs they hold?

[akahige]

Oh, and my backhoe is probably scrap iron after 500 hours...

[atadaskew]

What the heck are you doing reading that shit-azz magazine?

Vespa riders like to wheelie

[Rogue]

Maybe it's a type and they meant 100k miles?

We had a member here who put 200k miles on a CBR600 a few years ago.  If I remember correctly the bike wasn't even burning oil!

[Giaka]

Maybe it's a type and they meant 100k miles?

We had a member here who put 200k miles on a CBR600 a few years ago.  If I remember correctly the bike wasn't even burning oil!

The 2002 F4i I read about has 100+k on it. The guy didn't even adjust the valves until 50k. Its not burning oil either.  

[DogBoy]

Over in the Buell subforum, rogue will tell you that multi-cylinder bikes with shim under bucket valve trains need adjustment at regular intervals. These 50K, 100k and above bikes with few adjustments must all be legend.  

[Rogue]

There is a VFR800 owner at the VFRD board.  He has an '02 VFR with 100k miles.  Valves adjusted only once in its life.  According to him, no oil burning and engine is still running strong, only the suspension needs work.

[thirdgenlxi]

Maybe it's a type and they meant 100k miles?

We had a member here who put 200k miles on a CBR600 a few years ago.  If I remember correctly the bike wasn't even burning oil!

That would prob be me, lol..... 2004 F4i currently sitting at just a little over 234,000.... running like a dream and ridden daily (actually just got home from work on it about 45 mins ago). Still doing trackdays with it as well.... (not that I'm actually fast or anything, but I'm working on that, haha). A little maintenance and sensible riding (and some common sense too) goes a loooong ways! Still amazes me how fast a squid can kill a bike though...

200k video + some recent updates

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZUTfpw8NUM


Just put 460 something miles on last weekend in some fairly desolate locations throughout the mountains without a worry in the world

http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,71395.0.html

[stromgal]

Well, now I can just ask a prospective seller "Do you ever read Super Street Bike" and if yes, walk away.  

[Kneescrubber]

Well, now I can just ask a prospective seller "Do you ever read Super Street Bike" and if yes, walk away.  

 

[Rogue]

That would prob be me, lol..... 2004 F4i currently sitting at just a little over 234,000.... running like a dream....

Thanks for the update.

I remember reading an article in Sport Bike Rider about an owner of a 1990's CBR900RR with over 400k miles on it.  The bike finally cracked a frame at 250k miles.  Owner fixed the crack, rode the next 150k miles.

Those dang Honda engines.....  

[atadaskew]

Thanks for the update.

I remember reading an article in Sport Bike Rider about an owner of a 1990's CBR900RR with over 400k miles on it.  The bike finally cracked a frame at 250k miles.  Owner fixed the crack, rode the next 150k miles.

Those dang Honda engines.....  

I think he cracked the frame when he hit a black bear on the Angeles Crest Hwy - no joke.  Amazing the rider was ok and the bike salvageable.
FYI he used (uses?) Castrol GTX car oil in it the entire time.

[bomber]

Crap.

Now I gotta sell the Nissan pickemup (167K), the Tiger (likely roll 100K next month), AND shoot myself in head (or at the very least, look for an ice flow) . . .  .

[Mr. Whippy]

I don't buy bikes as an investment, or even think about resale when I purchase. I ride them into the ground

So what is that, about 11,000 miles or so?

[Rattlehead]

........
FYI he used (uses?) Castrol GTX car oil in it the entire time.

Impossible.
Everyone knows that bikes have to have motorcycle specific oils or else they will immediately throw a rod out in disgust.  

[Papa Lazarou]

The latest issue of Super Street Bike (May, p.67) remarks that at 10K miles a streetbike's engine is done.  That it's the equivalent to 100K on a car.  It's past peak.  They say "avoid the 10K mark like the plague."    

Any links so I can take the piss? Searching the site turned up zilch.

[atadaskew]

Impossible.
Everyone knows that bikes have to have motorcycle specific oils or else they will immediately throw a rod out in disgust.  

Friday will be complete if this turns into an oil thread.

[desertxxrider]

Most of the sqidly bikes I see out here are done long before 10k.

[Windblown]

Yep, 10,000 miles on the original break-in oil and bouncing off the limiter for extended periods every weekend does them in pretty quick.  

[Rigger]

Yep, 10,000 miles on the original break-in oil and bouncing off the limiter for extended periods every weekend does them in pretty quick.  

 I agree Windblown.  I am at 30,000 kms and my vfr still pulls nicely, funny how looking after the bike, changing oil keeps it going and going and going.....

[tomek]

Thanks for the update.

I remember reading an article in Sport Bike Rider about an owner of a 1990's CBR900RR with over 400k miles on it.  The bike finally cracked a frame at 250k miles.  Owner fixed the crack, rode the next 150k miles.

Those dang Honda engines.....  

I remember that article . The dude used plain car dino Castrol GTX , he changed oil every 5 k miles , oil filter -  every 10 K miles .

[tomek]

All those engine changes are getting old , I can do it blindfolded .



No bike spec oil and filter ever , only car synthetics , whatever they have on " oil change special " in AutoZone .

Obviously bike burns no oil whatsoever ( it is  Honda engine after all ) but also is worth to point out that the oil is brown , not black , after 6-8 k miles .

[ChrisZRX]

Think about it.  A new bike every 10K, having to farkle it all over again?  That's a lot of money to advertisers...

Nobody ever said SSB had their readers best interest at heart.

[Joey Stalin]

I remember that article . The dude used plain car dino Castrol GTX , he changed oil every 5 k miles , oil filter -  every 10 K miles .

does anybody actually use "motorcycle" oil? besides HD and BMW owners who only buy HD and BMW labeled products at highly inflated prices...

[jeepinbanditrider]

does anybody actually use "motorcycle" oil? besides HD and BMW owners who only buy HD and BMW labeled products at highly inflated prices...

I've only met a handful.

[sleazy rider]

Paging MXVet to the white courtesy phone.  Ed, pick up please?  

219k on his 2004(?) FJR and climbing daily.

[thirdgenlxi]

Paging MXVet to the white courtesy phone.  Ed, pick up please?  

219k on his 2004(?) FJR and climbing daily.

234k on my 2004...... CBR, also climbing daily (it's actually warming up now as I type this, about to head out for a ride)  

[maddjack]

The latest issue of Super Street Bike (May, p.67) remarks that at 10K miles a streetbike's engine is done.  That it's the equivalent to 100K on a car.  It's past peak.  They say "avoid the 10K mark like the plague."    

 
Yeah right

Wholly crap , I am riding two grenades by  those standards

[bassjones]

Contributor to The Pace - Denise Dickinson - has 200,000 miles on her FZ-1 with the original engine.

http://newsok.com/article/3661565

http://thepacepodcast.com/archives/537 (from 2010)

http://thepacepodcast.com/archives/1819 (from a few weeks ago)

My friend, Phil has 200K plus on his Ducati Monster.

[sagerat]

"Honey, here's proof I need to buy a new bike."  

Never underestimate the amount of moronic "facts" that see the printed page or an internet website.  

[Kat-Rider]

I guess my local shop can see both sides of the story.  When I was trying to talk to them about new tires for the bike they said that 40k was just getting broke in good for my bike. When I talked to them about trading in my bike they called 40k very high mileage.

[Silverbird]

It really is incredible how long a high performance engine will last. I bet the internals of those         200,000 mile + bikes look just fine.  Justy goes to show it the other stuff that will wear out. All the crazy electronics on the new bikes concerns me. I don't see all that new wizardry holding up for that many miles and will the bike even be operational if the electronics on the bike have crapped the bed?  

[Kat-Rider]

I would bet a lot of it is also how you treat the bike.  10k of spirited riding and regular service vs 10k of burnouts and neglect.
I have seen some pretty poor looking bikes that are only a couple years old.

[black hills]

I guess my local shop can see both sides of the story.  When I was trying to talk to them about new tires for the bike they said that 40k was just getting broke in good for my bike. When I talked to them about trading in my bike they called 40k very high mileage.

I had the same issue when I traded the 954 in. the salesman said he knows it is just broken in, but buyers see 50k as very high mileage, specially ona sport bike. He gave me a decent trade and one of thier mechanics ended up with it.

[jfurf]

I just checked out Super Street Bike's website and found this:

It's an article where the mag's writers go into dealerships posing as new riders to see what the salespeople tell them.

http://www.superstreetbike.com/features/1204_sbkp_sportbike_dealership_dilemmas/index.html

Sean: On a Saturday afternoon, I approached a salesman in regards to purchasing my first bike. I made it clear that I had no riding experience but liked the way sportbikes looked. After discussing what felt the most comfortable he brought me out to a recently traded-in 2008 GSX-R750 that would be the “perfect bike for me.” It came equipped with a full Yoshimura exhaust, Power Commander and Pazzo levers (quickly toting the high price but hesitantly pronouncing the brand name). Repeatedly, he expressed the benefits of using, “what they call an A, B, C switch” for its ability to “clip the nuts off the bike,” until I was ready for full power. He gave me absolute reassurance that this was the bike to start on for the room it left its rider to grow. We then made our way back into the showroom where he pointed out R6s to GSX-R1000s as if fishing for where my eyes would light up brightest. That is when I asked about the brand new S1000RRs sitting on the wall. I saw a steaming pile of BS fall from his lips and transform into words at that moment: “An S1000 is actually better than a 600 for a beginner because all of the electronics. It will slowly feed in the power on lower modes and all the California Superbike School instructors teach their new riders on this bike—it’s just expensive.”

[wibornz]

Just broke 50,000 the last week.  Seams as the bike has been used up five times.  My goal is to hit 200,000 on it before I buy a new one.  

[jeepinbanditrider]

I just checked out Super Street Bike's website and found this:

It's an article where the mag's writers go into dealerships posing as new riders to see what the salespeople tell them.

http://www.superstreetbike.com/features/1204_sbkp_sportbike_dealership_dilemmas/index.html

Interesting article there for sure.  

[Rogue]

I would bet a lot of it is also how you treat the bike.  10k of spirited riding and regular service vs 10k of burnouts and neglect.
I have seen some pretty poor looking bikes that are only a couple years old.

I just rode with another rider with a 3-yr old bike and 13k miles and his bike looked beat up.  Sun, wind, and rain, plus zero TLC on the finish, and ham-fisted "customization" work along with haphazard choice of aftermarket components = beat up looking bike.

[cultureslayer]

I just rode with another rider with a 3-yr old bike and 13k miles and his bike looked beat up.  Sun, wind, and rain, plus zero TLC on the finish, and ham-fisted "customization" work along with haphazard choice of aftermarket components = beat up looking bike.

My bike looks like it's been dragged through the mountains and back, but mechanically it's in great shape.  I call it theft proofing, and don't care since I paid $500 for it and have put 16k on it.  Hit 30k yesterday.  

But if I'd bought the bike new and it looked like that in three years, I'd reconsider riding.

[Mortech]

DAMN, I knew it! , I really got bent over when I bought my Concours with 63K miles on it for a measly $1999 !
Note : I use car oil in it too , Castrol GTX full synthetic .

[wibornz]

DAMN, I knew it! , I really got bent over when I bought my Concours with 63K miles on it for a measly $1999 !
Note : I use car oil in it too , Castrol GTX full synthetic .

Your fucked.........O wait it's a Kawasaki.  You should be ok.

[jay547]

i just turned 30k this morning. bought it 1 1/2 years ago with 6k.

[Morgan Buchanan]

The reason 40k is "high mileage" when you're selling is because of the perception they shop will face when they are selling your old bike as a used bike... because of squidward idiot articles like the one referenced in this thread, the general public (read moronic sheep) BELIEVES that 40K is "ultra high mileage" on a motorcycle.

Perception is reality, and the reality is, it's harder to sell a used bike with 40K miles on it than the same used bike with 4K miles on it.

[expatbrit]

Almost 10K on the Duc. Damn; can't sell it, will have to keep it. What a shame!

I did get feedback from a local dealer that, somehow, 10K is the magic number. Any (used) bike with more than that they consider 'hard to sell', since buyers just do have the impression that it's high mileage.

[atadaskew]

I think the perception that anything above 10K is a hard sell in the US is because they are mainly used as toys here.  And because of that it is really easy to find low mileage bikes.
Given the choice, I'd buy a low mileage used bike over a higher mileage one, all else being equal.  And usually it is not.  Almost all the low mileage bikes I've seen have been in much better shape than the ridden long/hard/put away wet higher mileage bikes.

[Morgan Buchanan]

I think the perception that anything above 10K is a hard sell in the US is because they are mainly used as toys here.  And because of that it is really easy to find low mileage bikes.
Given the choice, I'd buy a low mileage used bike over a higher mileage one, all else being equal.  And usually it is not.  Almost all the low mileage bikes I've seen have been in much better shape than the ridden long/hard/put away wet higher mileage bikes.

That's true often, but there are "circumstances" you need to look at.  In 2009 I bought a 2001 ZX11 with 2500 miles on it.  NOTHING but the oil had EVER been changed.  Not the tires, not the radiator, not the battery, not the brake/clutch....

[morgeen]

Wow!!! That was awesome. I wish my bike could go though all that way.

[zer0netgain]

The latest issue of Super Street Bike (May, p.67) remarks that at 10K miles a streetbike's engine is done.  That it's the equivalent to 100K on a car.  It's past peak.  They say "avoid the 10K mark like the plague."    

If the owner(s) of a street bike ride like squids...that's probably sound advice.  By the time it reaches 10K the bike's probably been ruined and never maintained.