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« on: April 30, 2012, 11:58:45 AM »

Just announced this morning:  http://www.newsroom.gov.bc.ca/2012/04/province-rolls-out-new-motorcycle-laws.html
We all knew it was coming, and I don't necessarily see it as a bad thing.  However, what I'd prefer to see is some money put into motorcycle training, to make it more accessible--I've been working with a new rider in Nelson, who currently has NO local access to training--and even if he travels to, say, the Okanagan, he's looking at an $800 bill for tuition (instead, he's going to take the American MSF course in Spokane--dunno what that will cost him, I'll have to ask).


NEWS RELEASE
For Immediate Release
2012JAG0061-000569
April 30, 2012

Ministry of Justice

Province rolls out new motorcycle laws

VICTORIA - To mark the beginning of Motorcycle Safety Awareness
Month, the Province is announcing new safety regulations aimed at
improving road safety and reducing motorcycle deaths, injuries and
crashes.

Effective June 1, all motorcycle riders and their passengers must
wear helmets that meet safety industry standards. This means
motorcycle riders will no longer be able to wear novelty helmets,
typically known as skid lids, skull caps or beanies, which do not
meet the new requirements.

In addition, the new regulations:

* Will require passengers, including children, to place their feet on
foot pegs or floorboards. Drivers can easily be thrown off balance
and risk crashing if their passengers do not keep their feet fixed on
foot rests. Children who are unable to reach foot rests will no
longer be allowed to ride as passengers.
* Will improve visibility and enforcement for police. The font size
on motorcycle licence plates has increased by 0.95 centimetres (3/8
of an inch). Since May 2011, all new motorcycle licence plates have
been issued with the larger font.

In making the announcement, Minister of Justice and Attorney General
Shirley Bond said the provincial government intends to move forward
with a graduated licensing program that includes power restrictions,
following additional consultation to determine the best model.
Feedback will be considered along with research and best practices to
develop a model that improves rider safety and reduces motorcycle
crashes especially for new riders.

The Office of Motor Vehicles and ICBC will also partner on an
awareness campaign to ensure automobile drivers are aware of how to
drive safely when they encounter motorcycles on the road.

The goal is to reduce fatalities and injuries from crashes involving
motorcycles. While motorcycles are estimated to make up about three
per cent of insured vehicles in B.C., they account for approximately
10 per cent of road fatalities. In the last five years, 203
motorcyclists have lost their lives on B.C.'s roads and 5,172 have
been injured. Motorcycle fatalities increased by about 57 per cent
between 1996 and 2010.

The new rider safety regulations are the result of extensive
consultations between the Office of the Superintendent of Motor
Vehicles, BC Coroners Service, ICBC, police and other road safety
partners to develop a comprehensive approach to improve motorcycle
safety within the motorcycling community and industry.

The month of May will allow for a transition period that will give
government time to move to the new laws by informing riders and the
public about the upcoming changes. Starting June 1, police will
begin enforcing the new laws and issuing educational materials to
riders found violating the helmet and seating regulations.

Fines for all new helmet-related offences are $138 and fines for
seating requirements range from $109 to $121. In addition to fines,
riders violating seating requirements will have their motorcycles
impounded.

Quotes:

Minister of Justice and Attorney General Shirley Bond -

"While B.C. already has mandatory helmet and seating laws, these new
standards provide even more guidance to help riders - who are more
vulnerable to injury and death than other road users- enjoy a safe
journey.

"Thanks to individuals like Denise Lodge and the Adey family, who
have shown a commitment and passion for improving road safety, we are
able to turn tragic circumstances into real improvements."

Denise Lodge, Coalition of Riders Educating Youth (COREY) -

"Since March 3, 2005, in memory of my son Corey, I've been actively
advocating changes to legislation, the culture, attitude, belief and
behaviour to ensure other young riders don't needlessly lose their
lives.

"With more people getting motorcycle licences, risks are rising. We
know that safety starts with the rider and we also know that an
approved motorcycle helmet can save a life."

"Times have changed; motorcycles are more light weight and much more
powerful. Now more than ever, riders need the tools and skills to
ride safely."

Jamie Graham, chair, BC Association of Chiefs of Police Traffic
Safety Committee -

"Police have been asking for these changes for years. We have seen
the harm that inadequate safety equipment and poor choices cause. You
have to be responsible for your actions, dress appropriately, pay
attention and focus on driving, and you will prevent a tragedy."

Dr. Roy Purssell, emergency physician and chair of the BCMA's
Emergency Medical Services Committee -

"The new safety requirements will save lives. When motorcycles and
vehicles collide, the rider of the motorcycle is the one most often
seriously injured or killed. I have provided care for motorcyclists
who arrive at the emergency department with minimal injuries after
surviving a terrible crash simply because they were wearing a well-
designed helmet and other protective gear."

Quick Facts:

* Helmet laws have been found to reduce fatalities by as much as 37
per cent.
* Each year in B.C., there are about 2,200 crashes involving
motorcyclists and about 42 rider deaths.
* Motorcyclists are eight times more likely to be killed and more
than 40 per cent more likely to be injured in a crash than other road
users.
* The main factors contributing to motorcycle crashes are speed, an
inattentive driver and failure on the part of other drivers to yield
to right-of-way of motorcyclists.
* Helmets that meet industry standards have a rigid head covering
with a strong, stiff outer shell and a crushable liner. The stiff
outer shell protects the head by distributing the impact throughout
the surface of the helmet, and the crushable liner protects the head
by being able to absorb the energy of the impact. Full-face helmets
are not mandatory.
* Helmets must comply with standards outlined by the United States
Department of Transportation (DOT), Snell Memorial Foundation 2005 or
2010, or United Nations Economic Commission for Europe (ECE).

A backgrounder follows.

Contact:

Ministry of Justice
Government Communications and Public Engagement
250 356-6961

Connect with the Province of B.C. at: Connect | BC Newsroom

BACKGROUNDER
For Immediate Release
2012JAG0061-000569
April 30, 2012

Ministry of Justice

B.C.'s new motorcycle safety law

Beginning June 1, 2012, B.C.'s new motorcycle safety law will come
into force. It has three components:

1. Helmet Safety Standards

All motorcyclists and motorcycle passengers in B.C. must wear a
motorcycle helmet that meets one of the following safety standards:

* DOT - Also known as FMVSS 218, conforms with the U.S. Federal Motor
Vehicle Safety Standard No. 218.
* Snell M2005 or Snell M2010 - In accordance with the Snell Memorial
Foundation 2005 or 2010 Standard for Protective Headgear for Use with
Motorcycles and Other Motorized Vehicles.
* ECE - In accordance with the United Nations Economic Commission for
Europe ECE Regulation No. 22.

The safety helmet must display the proper certification label. Full-
face helmets and visors are not required and riders are free to
choose any helmet colour they prefer. However, eye protection and
brightly-coloured helmets are strongly recommended to help prevent
collisions, injuries and fatalities.

Uncertified, novelty "beanies" do not meet the requirements.

Fines for all new helmet related offences are $138. Refusing an
officer's demand to produce a helmet carries a $276 fine.

2. Seating Requirements

Motorcycle operators and passengers must be seated with their feet on
foot pegs or the floorboards at all times (even when the motorcycle
is stopped at an intersection).

The operator is responsible for ensuring passengers younger than 16
years of age are properly seated. Any passengers, including children
who cannot reach the foot pegs or floorboards, are not permitted to
ride as passengers.

Fines for violating seating requirements range from $109 to $121 or
vehicle impoundment, if considered stunting. Failing to use foot pegs
and permitting a passenger to be unlawfully seated both come with a
$109 fine.

3. Licence Plate Improvements

Since May 2011, ICBC has been issuing motorcycle licence plates with
larger font. Font size has increased 0.95 centimetres (3/8 of an
inch) to assist law enforcement with identifying the vehicle.

Existing plates can be upgraded to a plate with larger font by
contacting ICBC.

The fine for an improper display of a licence plate or an illegible
licence plate has increased to $230 from $196.

Contact:

Ministry of Justice
Government Communications and Public Engagement
250 356-6961

Connect with the Province of B.C. at: Connect | BC Newsroom
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« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2012, 12:07:10 PM »


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2. Seating Requirements

Motorcycle operators and passengers must be seated with their feet on
foot pegs or the floorboards at all times (even when the motorcycle
is stopped at an intersection).

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If the operator is required to keep their feet on the pegs whilst stopped at an intersection, there are going to be a lot more tip over issues... Lol

I can't imagine letting someone ride on the back that couldn't touch the pegs...  even if I did agree to carry passengers.

What was the existing helmet law?
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If the operator is required to keep their feet on the pegs whilst stopped at an intersection, there are going to be a lot more tip over issues... Lol




Yeah, I kinda laughed at that one, too Rolleyes

But yeah...it's important for a passenger to a) be able to reach the pegs, and b) actually use them.  I've seen passengers riding down the road with their feet just sorta dangling...easy to get knocked to the side, and the possibility of putting a foot into the wheel or drive chain.  Stupid...but people do it (and a new law probably won't stop them).  Much worse, though, is young children.  A few years ago, my wife and I watched a motorcycle go past in Nelson with a child--barely a toddler--perched on the passenger seat.  No way could the child reach the pegs, and really no way for him to maintain balance (plus, the kid was wearing a helmet that was waaay too big, as well as an oversized light nylon jacket with pretty much zero protective capability).  My wife commented to me that she thought that might be considered child endangerment...

As far as the helmet law...BC has had a helmet law on the books for decades, but it simply states that a rider must wear a helmet, without specifying whether the helmet must meet any standards.  Thus, bikers here can get away with tiny "pudding bowl" novelty helmets (or old WWII Nazi helmets, complete with the spike, or whatever...).  All they've really done is specify that helmets must meet certain standards (and I'm glad to see ECE 22.05 is included as a valid standard...it's not in the States, and some European ECE helmets may not be DOT rated).

Also mentioned is the future move towards limiting displacement for new riders.  This one is facing a LOT of opposition, mostly from the motorcycle industry--dealers, and specifically Harley dealers.  They know that many of their customers would rather not have a bike at all than face the ignominy of riding a 250cc "girl's bike..."  Oh, the horror Crazy
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« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2012, 04:31:54 PM »

Oh Boy..... what is the worold coming to Headscratch

I see they threw in stunting with the seating/feet req.  and the font size of the plate  getting bigger? What's with that?  How will they ever read my Ontario plate?
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« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2012, 05:04:04 PM »

Helmets? We don need no steenkeen helmets! Twofinger
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2012, 06:39:07 PM »

Wow! Draconian laws! Wear a helmet, and don't drag your feet. Way to go B.C. Only about 20 years behind the times!
Ontario and Quebec and the Maritimes have had graduated licensing for decades now.
It made all the middle aged accountants pretty mad they couldn't get a Fat Bob as their first bike to impress the guys back at the office.
I'm sure there are statistics out there to support both positive and negative, but I can't help but think that the most important safety amendment they could make would be better training courses.
You have to book months in advance in Nova Scotia to get on the list. That, and starting off with a little less than a 'Busa has GOT to help!
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« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2012, 07:04:15 PM »

I have no problems with these laws but the implementation of the graduated licencing and power restrictions will be interesting. I wonder how enforceable they will be. But as Kootenanny pointed out, it would be great to have money dedicated for affordable rider training. I heard on a Pace podcast that BRC training was like 75 bucks. A rider course in BC is at least $500. I think that's money worth spending but for a lot of people it's a big deterrent so they'll learn on their own.

The old helmet law was unworkable because it named specific helmets as acceptable, not a standard. Of course those helmets no longer were available so basically everything is illegal, even your thousand dollar Arai with DOT and Snell certification.

But for the record, I'm glad to be an old fart who got his drivers licence 3 weeks after my 16th birthday back in the day.  Wink
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« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2012, 07:20:23 PM »

B.C. Reg. 237/99

O.C. 890/99    Deposited July 19, 1999

Motor Vehicle Act
Motorcycle Safety Helmet

Exemption Regulation
Exemption

1 The following persons are exempt from the requirements of section 221 of the Motor Vehicle Act:

(a) a person who

(i)  practices the Sikh religion, and

(ii)  has unshorn hair and habitually wears a turban composed of 5 or more square meters of cloth.

[Provisions of the Motor Vehicle Act, R.S.B.C. 1996, c. 318, relevant to the enactment of this regulation: section 221 (3)]

Copyright (c) Queen's Printer, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada




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« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2012, 07:23:05 PM »

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"Thanks to individuals like Denise Lodge and the Adey family, who
have shown a commitment and passion for improving road safety, we are
able to turn tragic circumstances into real improvements."


That quote alone makes me question of anything they put after it.  Generally people in those positions and situations have a tendency to thing with nothing but extreme emotion.

http://superbikeblog.blogspot.com/2011_05_01_archive.html

Above is a good example of a fight we had to put up last year during the Legislative session.  The proposed law referenced in that link was completely fronted and pushed by one family and their friends.  They acted solely on emotion.  Even prominent members of the Texas MC community offered to assist them put their daughters name behind a more focused education effort.  They were generally met with hostility that anyone would question what in the family's mind as something that should be pushed through "for the good of everyone".
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Wow! Draconian laws! Wear a helmet, and don't drag your feet. Way to go B.C. Only about 20 years behind the times!
Ontario and Quebec and the Maritimes have had graduated licensing for decades now.
It made all the middle aged accountants pretty mad they couldn't get a Fat Bob as their first bike to impress the guys back at the office.
I'm sure there are statistics out there to support both positive and negative, but I can't help but think that the most important safety amendment they could make would be better training courses.
You have to book months in advance in Nova Scotia to get on the list. That, and starting off with a little less than a 'Busa has GOT to help!
For the record, Quebec doesn't have graduated licensing. You can buy as big a bike as you want.
There is however a lengthy (11 months) apprentice period during which you must be accompanied by a fully licensed motorcyclist.
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For the record, Quebec doesn't have graduated licensing. You can buy as big a bike as you want.
There is however a lengthy (11 months) apprentice period during which you must be accompanied by a fully licensed motorcyclist.


And, for the record, BC currently does have tiered licensing (for both motorcycles and cars), but it's based solely on time--the size or type of motorcycle doesn't enter into the equation; this is what the government hopes to add, probably next year or so.  Currently, there are three steps:  one is a "learner" permit, which you get by taking a written test--with this, you can ride only with another licensed rider (on another bike, or in a car).  No passengers, no riding after dusk, and certain highways are not allowed.  Once you've had a learner's for a while, you can take a "skills test"--the basic range test with cones, etc.--which, if you pass, will qualify you for a "new rider" permit.  Some of the restrictions are removed at this point (I think you can ride on your own, for instance) but others remain.  Again, you must wait a certain length of time before taking your "traffic test," after which you will get a full license.  There are differences, too, depending on age..."new" drivers have to wait longer between the different license tests than "experienced" drivers.

As for size restrictions on beginner's bikes, AFAIK, the loudest objections to the idea is coming from dealers--specifically, Harley dealers, for the exact reasons jp mentioned.

Oh, and BTW, I tend to agree with jeepinbanditrider--I'm not fond of these emotionally-driven campaigns for new laws which often create more problems than they solve.  We have a few already on the books here in BC (for example, the law requiring all fuel to be paid for before filling, due to one young attendant who was run down and dragged by a delinquent stealing $15 worth of gas...this may work in the major centres, but it's a pain in the sticks where few gas stations have pay-at-the-pump...).
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B.C. Reg. 237/99

O.C. 890/99    Deposited July 19, 1999

Motor Vehicle Act
Motorcycle Safety Helmet

Exemption Regulation
Exemption

1 The following persons are exempt from the requirements of section 221 of the Motor Vehicle Act:

(a) a person who

(i)  practices the Sikh religion, and

(ii)  has unshorn hair and habitually wears a turban composed of 5 or more square meters of cloth.

[Provisions of the Motor Vehicle Act, R.S.B.C. 1996, c. 318, relevant to the enactment of this regulation: section 221 (3)]

Copyright (c) Queen's Printer, Victoria, British Columbia, Canada




If you really have a problem with helmets, here's your out.


Is this a joke?  Even the safety nazis must bow to political correctness.  Glad to live in the USA.
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Is this a joke?  Even the safety nazis must bow to political correctness.  Glad to live in the USA.

Not a joke (well, it is, but it's real...).

However, when you think about it...a Sikh man is duty-bound to never cut his hair after a certain age, and he binds it up in a turban.  It's a religious custom no less valid than Catholics holding mass on Sunday.  

This started initially on worksites, where Sikh workers refused to remove their turbans to don hardhats (although, many of them would simply remove all the interior fittings of the hardhat and jam the empty shell over their turban--problem solved!).  It became a political issue.  Then, in places where helmets are required, Sikh men felt they were being discriminated against, because they couldn't ride a motorcycle legally (how would it go over wherever you live if only Presbyterians were told they couldn't ride motorcycles?).  And while a turban certainly isn't a motorcycle helmet, it's not quite the same as being bare-headed.

My take on it is this:  it'd be much MORE onerous to wear a turban pretty much every waking moment of every day, than to simply put on a helmet when I go to ride a motorcycle.  And, even though this has been on the books for several years now, I have never yet seen anyone riding a motorcycle wearing a turban.  Never.  Not once.  It's a non-issue (but it keeps the peace).
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And, even though this has been on the books for several years now, I have never yet seen anyone riding a motorcycle wearing a turban.  Never.  Not once.  


If you lived in the Lower Mainland, you would have a different view of the situation.  Check out this site, http://www.sikhmotorcycleclub.com/

My take on this is twofold.  First, if my religion precluded certain behavior and I was devout, why would I choose to participate in it.  When was the last time you heard of a BBQ judge who was Jewish refusing to eat the ribs or whole hog and still wanting to choose the winner.  Second, if the helmet laws are in place to enhance public safety ( and save ICBC money they don't have to shell out for life altering head injuries) then why is there not a requirement to have a waiver of damages in place that anyone who was foolish enough to ride without protection would need to sign and abide by?

Really, this is just another example of PC (Political Cowardice) gone crazy, and it makes a mockery of any attempts to call changes to the current laws a safety move.
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My take on this is twofold.  First, if my religion precluded certain behavior and I was devout, why would I choose to participate in it.  When was the last time you heard of a BBQ judge who was Jewish refusing to eat the ribs or whole hog and still wanting to choose the winner.  Second, if the helmet laws are in place to enhance public safety ( and save ICBC money they don't have to shell out for life altering head injuries) then why is there not a requirement to have a waiver of damages in place that anyone who was foolish enough to ride without protection would need to sign and abide by?

First off, AFAIK the Sikh religion precludes members from removing their turbans to don a helmet--it doesn't preclude them from riding a motorcycle.  But I see your point.  

I wonder if a Sikh could fit a helmet shell over his turban, like the construction workers do with hardhats?  But still, it seems only a small number are affected.  And as far as a waiver is concerned, well, we've never required that of the guys who've been wearing those stupid little beanies, have we?

(Personally, I think all these religious customs are silly, but then again, who am I to say?)

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« Reply #15 on: May 01, 2012, 01:18:04 PM »

As to the footpeg requirement that is a misquote it reads:

2.      Seating Requirements

 

The operator of a motorcycle must be seated astride the driver’s seat. Passengers must be seated behind the operator astride the passenger’s seat with their feet on foot pegs or the floorboards at all times (even when the motorcycle is stopped – e.g., at an intersection), or be properly seated in a side car.

 

The operator is responsible for ensuring passengers younger than 16 years of age are properly seated. Any passengers, including children who cannot reach the foot pegs or floorboards, are not permitted to ride as passengers.

 

Fines for violating seating requirements range from $109 to $121 or vehicle impoundment, if considered stunting. Failing to use foot pegs and permitting a passenger to be unlawfully seated both come with a $109 fine.

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Not a joke (well, it is, but it's real...).

However, when you think about it...a Sikh man is duty-bound to never cut his hair after a certain age, and he binds it up in a turban.  It's a religious custom no less valid than Catholics holding mass on Sunday...


BS.  They don't like the helmet law(s) - they can GTFO.
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« Reply #17 on: May 01, 2012, 04:42:05 PM »

And here it is, in detail:  http://www.pssg.gov.bc.ca/osmv/road-safety/motorcycles.htm
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For the record, Quebec doesn't have graduated licensing. You can buy as big a bike as you want.
There is however a lengthy (11 months) apprentice period during which you must be accompanied by a fully licensed motorcyclist.



OOps! Sorry Pat! Been away too long! I was living in Queerbec at the time they changed the driver's licenses to car/bike/big truck/bus, etc...
All the big nasty bikers in the Satan's Choice gang (summer club house was down the street from me) did not read their license renewals and did not check off the "Do you wish to retain your motorcycle category" on that year's applications. When they got their licenses back for the new year, they only had 'car' on the permits.
In theory,  they would have to start off again with something less than a 250 I think.
It just so happened at the time that Harley (or AMF) were trying to sell those stupid Aermacchi pieces of two-stroke junk. The rest of us 99% were thinking they would have to put away the Hawgs and ride ring-a-dings to the rumbles!
Never happened that I know of, but it would have been pretty funny...

I hear that the province has found a back door to regulations about new riders though. They've just raised the insurance rates so high, no kid can afford anything more than a moped!
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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2012, 07:26:23 AM »

Someone needs to point me to where Ontario has graduated displacement regs either??
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Dood, interesting bike. Did you customize it yourself or was it all f#@ked up when you bought it?
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