Just how Fat are we going to get!

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misanthropist:
If what you have been saying all along is that calorie restriction is overwhelmingly the most important factor in losing weight, but that you can tweak the specific effects of calorie restriction on your body by controlling the manner in which you restrict them, then that study definitely supports your position. It also means that you have the same position as I do.

Kneescrubber:
Quote from: misanthropist on June 26, 2012, 05:29:46 PM

If what you have been saying all along is that calorie restriction is overwhelmingly the most important factor in losing weight, but that you can tweak the specific effects of calorie restriction on your body by controlling the manner in which you restrict them, then that study definitely supports your position. It also means that you have the same position as I do.

No. What I've been saying is that what you eat is just as important, if not more than how much you eat. Ever see a report on someone dying from eating too many strawberries, sweet potatoes, avocados, greens, sour kraut...

My issue with what we eat is; WHAT we eat. Prepared (packaged/boxed) foods are the problem. Not candy bars, not sodas. Packaged food.

tomek:
The low-fat diet had the worst effect" on energy expenditure, Dr. Ludwig said. Participants on that diet also had increases in triglycerides, a type of fat, and lower levels of so-called good cholesterol. "We should avoid severely restricting any major nutrient and focus on the quality of the nutrient," he said.

lol .

I`ve always laughed at all those low fat dairy products like milk , yogurt , farmers cheese and sour cream .
They don`t taste as good as a real things and consequently you eat more of them , basically they are Fail - Fail .

I won`t even mention that coffee with skim or 2 % milk taste like shit , IMHO of course .

misanthropist:
Quote from: Kneescrubber on June 26, 2012, 07:18:29 PM

No. What I've been saying is that what you eat is just as important, if not more than how much you eat. Ever see a report on someone dying from eating too many strawberries, sweet potatoes, avocados, greens, sour kraut...

My issue with what we eat is; WHAT we eat. Prepared (packaged/boxed) foods are the problem. Not candy bars, not sodas. Packaged food.

In that case that study does not particularly support your position...unless you do not include "being overweight" as a key health issue.

As people in this thread have said something in the neighbourhood of a dozen times, there's eating healthy food, which is good for you but doesn't correlate particularly closely with being fat or not, and there's eating healthy AMOUNTS of food, which correlates perfectly with how fat you are.

Since this thread is title "just how fat are we going to get" not "just what are our triglyceride levels going to be" almost everyone in here is talking about the number of calories consumed, because that IS the main factor in how overweight people are.

It definitely won't hurt you to ensure that, as you consume the correct number of calories, that they are in the form of healthy food, not Oreos and Doritos. But that won't have a huge impact on whether or not you're fat. At most, this study generated a difference of 300 calories between diets. I can run a deficit of a thousand calories a day (and I currently am doing exactly that) by controlling my food intake.

So what you eat is important in the details of sorting out all the various aspects of being healthy. It is not, however, a critical factor in not being fat.

That is particularly true for seriously fat people. I am running a BF% around 13-14 right now and if I want to go down to 10, I need to control my carb and fat intake, and prioritize proteins, particularly if I want to maintain my LBM. But for an average person who is 50 pounds overweight, that's almost completely irrelevant. Will you drop weight faster if you stop consuming carbs and fats, and live on proteins only? Yes, you will. But can an average fatty drop 50 pounds by eating 4 twinkies and a big mac every day? Absolutely. It may not be the best approach, but again, this thread is not about why people have elevated or reduced cortisol levels, it's about why they're fat.

They're fat because they eat too much.

Fourstring:
Quote from: tomek on June 26, 2012, 07:31:36 PM

They don`t taste as good as a real things and consequently you eat more of them...

What's the logic there? I eat less of something if it tastes bad.

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