"World Presentation – A new Triumph is born" - what will it be?

[Rincewind]

New Triumph to be revealed at the annual Alpen Triumph gathering, Tridays in Austria.  I wonder what it will be?  Rumors abound about a new Trophy and a new Daytona & Street Triple.  Other rumors are that Triumph may produce an electric bike, a 300cc single, or a new higher capacity Speed Triple.  We shall see...

 

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/new-triumph-this-month/20850.html

[kendenton]

A new Trophy with the Explorer 1200 motor will have me saving my pennies...

[garry]

Triumph needs to have a second bike use that new 1200cc engine. I would guess a touring bike aka Trophy replacement.

[Yankee Dog]

word is the Tiger "Sport" might get the new engine as well.

choices, choices.  

 

[Sarchi]

Maybe they'll finally sneak in the Tiger cub 675?  Five years after we all stopped holding our breath..not likely.

[MadOzodi]

Daytona 1200!!!  Yeah, I know...when pigs fly  

[ConPilot1]

Yes I agree. Another big bagger ST bike to compete with the C14, RT, FJR.

The long awaited 1200 Trophy to go along with the Explorer.

[ScottB]

Yup, another vote for Trophy here.  Those spy shots from last year looked remarkably close to production.

[falconati]

Really hoping for the 300cc single.  That would keep me from buying a..

[JReazor]

Really hoping for the 300cc single.  That would keep me from buying a..

Me too but they really need to get the 1200 and 800 in to other bikes. The 1200cc Trophy is the obvious bet.

I would also like to see a lighter 800cc Sprint with a slightly shorter wheelbase. I know that's not going to happen any time soon but it could be pretty sweet.

[Dan K]

Me too but they really need to get the 1200 and 800 in to other bikes. The 1200cc Trophy is the obvious bet.

I would also like to see a lighter 800cc Sprint with a slightly shorter wheelbase. I know that's not going to happen any time soon but it could be pretty sweet.

I agree - I'll have to deal with my Sprint ST which is only a little lighter and a little shorter in the wheelbase than the GT...

- Dan

[garry]

The Sprint 1050 is getting long in the tooth too (2005) with only minor updates over the last 7 years (including the ST -> GT change).

[bluedogok]

...of course the new Trophy will be announced, I just bought a brand new Concours14 two weeks ago.

[pushr0d]

A new 'Special Edition' Bonneville with a sidecar!

[Roadscum]

A new 'Special Edition' Bonneville with a sidecar!

Nice... I like the way you think!  

Regards, Paul

[pushr0d]

I dunno...

I was just rooting around on the Tridays site, and all I saw was this: http://www.tridays.at/News/TestNews4.aspx

Looks to be an Italian Explorer (my guess) called the T12.

I was hoping the "T" was for Trophy, but the hint shots look like a naked.

[Roadscum]

Could it be a Thruxton R with a few more hp and and a A+ suspension??????

Regards, Paul

[sprint_st]

The above was on the Triday's site.  Not sure what it is.

[DogBoy]

Sprint Executive from the '90s.

[kendenton]

Sprint Executive from the '90s.

That was one of my "wish" bikes from those days.  

[sprint_st]

Sprint Executive from the '90s.

Back to the Future wouldn't be all that bad.  Pop an upgraded suspension and that 1200 motor, not all that bad.

[ConPilot1]

Back to the Future wouldn't be all that bad.  Pop an upgraded suspension and that 1200 motor, not all that bad.

Absolutely. I think they are awesome looking bikes. My buddy has a '96 Sprint and I love that damn thing.

[stk0308]

That was one of my "wish" bikes from those days. 

I had a '98 Executive model for one year.  It's what hooked me on Triumphs.

[Rincewind]

The Trophy fans could be right on this one.  MCN UK claims they will reveal the new Trophy this Friday.





I hope it comes in Roulette Green.    

[Yankee Dog]

dang, there goes my budget    

[ConPilot1]

I can only imagine how many levels of awesome that's going to be.  

[sprint_st]

The Trophy fans could be right on this one.  


I hope it comes in Roulette Green.    

Looks like the product of DNA merge of C14, FJR and a Sprint GT.
Actually not a bad combo.

[Dan K]

That's a lot of plastic.  Almost looks like a gold wing in the front with those wide lower fairings...

Are the panniers the same as on the current Sprint GT?

-Dan

[Yankee Dog]

.......................................
Are the panniers the same as on the current Sprint GT?

-Dan

They look like it.  Which is a good thing.  The GT panniers are big.  Even the missus will have a hard time filling them.....Naaaa.  

[R Doug]

Sweet. A big triple with a shaft drive.

 

(sorry, I wasn't able to copy the image URL on the iPad.). Here is a link to a site with a pic of a red one.

http://triumph.3xmotorcycles.com/news/newsDetail.php?A-new-Trophy-with-shaft-drive-129

[falconati]

Ooooo....

[Rincewind]

Sweet. A big triple with a shaft drive.

 

(sorry, I wasn't able to copy the image URL on the iPad.). Here is a link to a site with a pic of a red one.

http://triumph.3xmotorcycles.com/news/newsDetail.php?A-new-Trophy-with-shaft-drive-129

The red and the badges are a photoshop.  

Actual image...

[bungie4]

When it comes time to replace my FJR (soon), that bike is making my taint feel licked. Or the 800XC. Or... or...

[Yankee Dog]

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I am a little worried.  it looks like a huge pig.  Not the styling, just the shear mass of it.  I am thinking ST1300 weight.  

but I am sure it will handle great once you get it moving  

I cant wait.  

[ScottB]

Here's hoping for at least a sub 600 pounder.

[Rincewind]

Here's hoping for at least a sub 600 pounder.

That should be Triumph's target as the R1200RT is claimed to be 580lbs without panniers.  The Tiger Explorer 1200 is 570lbs, also without bags.  

[pushr0d]

It looks a bit of a mess in photos.  Hopefully it'll look better in the paint!

I hope Triumph offers them in different colors than the BMW and the Honda..

[Rincewind]

At first glance I thought it was a RT.  

10,000 mile service intervals.

662 lbs with a 6.9 gallon tank.

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/revealed-2013-triumph-trophy-1200/20889.html



As worst kept secrets go, Triumph’s new 1200 Trophy possibly deserves its own trophy.

But now it’s a hushed secret no more. It's official. It will be launched into the market in September of this year. This is also the time when we find out how much it will cost. Our estimations put the pricing around £14,000 for the entry-level Trophy, aimed at BMW's K1600GT which is £15,495.00 OTR.

The Trophy shares the engine with the Tiger Explorer, but sixth gear will will be at a higher ratio on the tourer. Service intervals have been set at 10,000 for minor and 20,000 for the major.

During the presentation Triumph revealed that they are aiming to sell only 2,500 of both models, globally in the first year.

We didn’t get the chance to ride the new bike at it’s unveiling in Austria today but we got to see it and listen to a presentation about its development, purpose and role within the market.

For now, here’s the official specification and a full gallery of the Triumph Trophy 1200.
TRIUMPH 1200 TROPHY/SE in italics

Engine and transmission

Engine: 1,215cc, three-cylinder four stroke. 12 valves, DOHC
Bore x stroke: 85 x 71.4mm
Fuelling: Ride-by-wire fuel injection
Exhaust: Stainless steel 3-1
Final drive: Shaft drive
Clutch: Wet multi-plate
Gearbox: Constant mesh six-speed
Oil capacity: Four litres

Chassis

Frame: Twin-spar aluminium beam
Swingarm: Single-sided cast aluminium with shaft drive
Front wheel: Cast aluminium five-spoke 17 x 3.5in
Rear wheel: Cast aluminium five-spoke 17 x 6.0in
Front tyre: 120/70 ZR17
Rear tyre: 190/55 ZR17
Front forks: WP USD with 130mm of travel and manually adjustable rebound damping. WP USD forks with 127mm of travel and electronically adjustable rebound damping sport/normal/comfort
Rear suspension: WP monoshock with remote oil reservoir, manually adjustable hydraulic preload, manually adjustable rebound damping and 120mm of travel. WP monoshock with remote oil reservoir, electronically adjustable hydraulic preload (1up, 1up+luggage, 2up) electronically adjustable rebound damping (sport, normal, comfort) 120mm of travel
Front brake: Twin 320mm rotors, twin Nissin four-piston calipers. Linked system - Rear brake pedal partially applies front brakes. Non-switchable ABS. Nissin 14mm master cylinder
Rear brake: Single 282mm disc, Nissin sliding twin-piston caliper. Non-switchable ABS
Instrument display: Analogue speedometer and tachometer with multi-function LCD display with ambient light-level compensation. LCD display is for trip info (x2) gear position, fuel gauge, distance to empty, service indicator, clock, ambient temp, frost warning and heated grips/seats display. Dash also features headlight adjustment, hazard warning button, cruise control function. TPMS status, TES status, audio functions

Dimensions and capacities

Length: 2,235mm (87.9in)
Width: 975mm (38.4in)
Height: 1,435mm (56.5in)
Seat height: 800-820mm (31.5 – 32.3in)
Wheelbase: 1,542mm (60.7in)
Rake/trail: 27 degrees, 119mm
Fuel tank: 26 litres (6.9 US gals)
Weight: 301kgs (662lbs)
Pannier capacity: 31 litres each (8.2 US gals)
Pannier max load: 10kgs (22lbs)

Performance

Max power: 134PS/132bhp/99KW @ 8,900RPM
Max torque: 120Nm/89ft/lbs

Features and benefits

Coded key immobiliser.
Ride by wire throttle.
Linked brakes.
Non switchable ABS.
Electronically adjustable screen with memory function.
Sealed, automatically locking storage binnacle with integrated 12V socket.
Underseat storage.
Rider and pillion 12v sockets.
Self-cancelling indicators with manual over-ride.
Cruise control.
Switchable Traction Control – always default to ‘on’.
Dedicated D-lock storage under seat.
Quick release mountings for accessory tank bag.
Dedicated sat-nav mounting point.
Electronically adjustable headlamp.
Centre stand.
Audio system, TPMS, TES, 2x 20 Watt speakers with digital signal processing and three band (bass, mid, treble) equalisation with automatic volume control.
USB port with flash drive and MP3 compatability.
iPhone and iPod compatability.
FM/MW/AM radio with 15 presets per band.
RDS functionality.
TA capability.
Auxiliary input to allow sat nav to be played through speakers.
Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR providing output to two headsets using A2DP profile.
Incoming phone call support.
Low voltage detection (automatic shut down to protect battery)














More pics at the above link.

[atadaskew]

1200cc I3 vs the BMW K16 1600cc I6?

Looks like they went hunting for bear with a spear.

It had better be a lot cheaper than the BMW.

IMO this is the ugliest looking, by far, of all the sports-tankers.  K16, R12, C14, FJR, heck even St13 look more cohesively designed than this.

[ConPilot1]

I like it. A lot.  

[R Doug]

662 lbs?  What a porker!    

for reference...

BMW R1200 RT 580 wet
BMW K1600 GT 703 wet
Kawasaki Concours 14 688 wet
Moto Guzzi Norge GT 8V 600 wet
Yamaha FRJ 644 wet

[honda4ever]

622 lbs?  Is that its wet weight?  If so, that's better than most of its competitors.  

I see 662 not 622.

[Silverbird]

What on Earth are they going after a goldwing for?  Shouldn't it be the FJR/C14/ST13 croud?  With 1213cc, good luck with that.  Plenty of motor though I'm sure.

[DeansZG]

  Looks like it was designed in Munich!   Almost like the car designs, the new bikes are all starting to look alike.

[R Doug]

I see 662 not 622.

Fixed.  

[Rincewind]

New Triumph website on the Trophy - http://trophy.triumphmotorcycles.co.uk/ - tons of nice features!  Even the Goldwing does not have Bluetooth output to headsets.

Sounds like the US will only be getting the uprated SE model.

[Silverbird]

I bet they just want to compete with Goldwings and the K1600 to justify the price

I'm out...

[falconati]

I rather like the design, but I wish it weighed 100 lbs less  

[sprint_st]

I rather like the design, but I wish it weighed 100 lbs less  

  +1
If you lean toward "sport" in ST, that weight, as most of you realize is critical.  I learned my lesson going from a 955 ST to an FJR.  Learned it just pushing the two bikes around in the garage.  The FJR did handle extremely well but compared to that ST and the Tiger that followed the "ease" factor in making them handle was night and day.  Comparing the new bike to the big, and I do mean BIG, Beemer shouldn't be fair to the beemer.  Comparing that 6 to the 3 isn't fair to the Beemer either.  My experience with the triples has been they hold their own with anything other than full on sport bikes.

[R Doug]

I don't have real stats to back this...But if you look at the number of FJRs and C14s on the road compared to Sprint STs and similar bikes, one would conclude the demand is more for the sport-touring rigs and less on the SPORT-touring rigs.  For something with a little less weight, it appears Adventure Tourers are selling more than anything else.  

I keep leaning more and more towards either a R1200RT or Guzzi Norge to replace the K1200S in a few years.  

[Roadhound]

Just like all the new STs, way to many gimmicky gadgets and unnecessary junk. On top of that Linked Brakes, NO Thanks.

[expatbrit]

I rather like the design, but I wish it weighed 100 lbs less  

Yup, but that's almost where the Sprint GT is playing. If they want to have a 'complete' model line, then this fits at the top, aiming at the ST1300, K1600, etc -- most of which are in the same weight bracket.

It's not /my/ cup of tea, for sure. It makes sense in their line up.

[R Doug]

I keep leaning more and more towards either a R1200RT or Guzzi Norge to replace the K1200S in a few years.  

After some thought, assuming the 662 weight number is wet, that's not bad considering it has a 6.9 gallon tank (especially if that's imperial gallons).  Also, after reading all the specs on this, it comes with WP suspension. My experience with WP suspension has been all positive.  It's top shelf stuff.  IMHO, the suspension has been the weakest link on most of the Triumphs I've either owned or ridden.  Adding WP on this beast gives it a lot of points for me.  

This porker is getting higher and higher on my list.  

[expatbrit]

After some thought, assuming the 662 weight number is wet, that's not bad considering it has a 6.9 gallon tank (especially if that's imperial gallons).  Also, after reading all the specs on this, it comes with WP suspension. My experience with WP suspension has been all positive.  It's top shelf stuff.  IMHO, the suspension has been the weakest link on most of the Triumphs I've either owned or ridden.  Adding WP on this beast gives it a lot of points for me.  

I was definitely happy to see it; my Sprint definitely wanted some love in the suspension department. I guess when you're not cost-cutting

[Orson]

This porker is getting higher and higher on my list.  

Just so you know...the Guzzi Section monitors other sections of the forum.

[garry]

I keep leaning more and more towards either a R1200RT or Guzzi Norge to replace the K1200S in a few years.  

Saw a very nice white Norge in Franklin, WV this weekend. Met three guys from Ontario that were out on a trip, well technically four, since one had already crashed and broken his leg. Nice looking ride. The other two guys were on a Multistrada 1200S w/ bags () and a C14. Made for an eclectic group with my KTM and Jesse's Buell in the mix.

You've have that BMW for what, two weeks now, and you're already considering what to replace it with? The Bike Whore (tm) lives!!!

[R Doug]

Just so you know...the Guzzi Section monitors other sections of the forum.

 

You've have that BMW for what, two weeks now, and you're already considering what to replace it with? The Bike Whore (tm) lives!!!

At the price I was able to acquire the BMW, it's in the garage as an experiment.  Knowing I would keep it for at least two years, I wanted to experience a BMW and a shaft drive.  Ultimately, I would like a bike that can cut up twisties better than most bikes and, if needed, get me to a place far far away via a few days of super slab so I can work my way back on the good roads and see places I haven't seen before.  Who knows, this BMW K bike just may be the bike which I can do that.  

On paper, I really like this Triumph.  A large triple would rock!  I would have to see it in person.  If it's like the C14, it will grow on me.  Anymore, my bike choice may ultimately be decided on the dealer I'll be working with for major services.  At a 10k mile service interval, I'm surprised no one has picked up on that.  10K is a little short.  Hell, even Duc's touring bike goes longer than that. At least a Guzzi and a BMW boxer motor are easy enough for someone like me to do the major service jobs.  

[Rincewind]

 



At the price I was able to acquire the BMW, it's in the garage as an experiment.  Knowing I would keep it for at least two years, I wanted to experience a BMW and a shaft drive.  Ultimately, I would like a bike that can cut up twisties better than most bikes and, if needed, get me to a place far far away via a few days of super slab so I can work my way back on the good roads and see places I haven't seen before.  Who knows, this BMW K bike just may be the bike which I can do that.  

On paper, I really like this Triumph.  A large triple would rock!  I would have to see it in person.  If it's like the C14, it will grow on me.  Anymore, my bike choice may ultimately be decided on the dealer I'll be working with for major services.  At a 10k mile service interval, I'm surprised no one has picked up on that.  10K is a little short.  Hell, even Duc's touring bike goes longer than that.  At least a Guzzi and a BMW boxer motor are easy enough for someone like me to do the major service jobs.  

10k miles is the minor service interval.  20k is the major including valve checks.  It is a longer major service intervals than all but Yamaha, I believe.

[R Doug]

10k miles is the minor service interval.  20k is the major including valve checks.  It is a longer major service intervals than all but Yamaha, I believe.

Damn, dyslexia and reading comprehension issues all in the same thread.    


20k miles for the major this moved this even further up my list.  

[jfusaro]

Not what I am looking for at the moment, but if I rode two up more often with the wife and did some serious touring I would certainly be interested in it. Could it look any more like a BMW though.

[steelerider]

Not what I am looking for at the moment, but if I rode two up more often with the wife and did some serious touring I would certainly be interested in it. Could it look any more like a BMW though.

How is that Multistrada working for you Jfusaro?

[jfusaro]

How is that Multistrada working for you Jfusaro?

Its right on, everything I could ask for in a motorcycle at the moment. Probably the most enjoyable bike to date for me, I liked my 08' Sprint St as well but the MTS goes to another level

[steelerider]

Its right on, everything I could ask for in a motorcycle at the moment. Probably the most enjoyable bike to date for me, I liked my 08' Sprint St as well but the MTS goes to another level

Cool. I just traded my 09 Sprint on a 2012 R1200RT. I was very seriously considering the Multistrada. I ended up going for the Beemer as the dealer gave me a sweet deal on a two bike trade in. Do you ever miss the Sprint?

[jfusaro]

Cool. I just traded my 09 Sprint on a 2012 R1200RT. I was very seriously considering the Multistrada. I ended up going for the Beemer as the dealer gave me a sweet deal on a two bike trade in. Do you ever miss the Sprint?

To be honest, when I look at my scrap book I do remember the times spent on it, 14,000 miles, but I do not miss it it was a good bike but had a lot of minor faults that botherd me the longer I owned it. They could have been fixed but they introduced the Gt and that finalized my position on the MTS

[expatbrit]

To be honest, when I look at my scrap book I do remember the times spent on it, 14,000 miles, but I do not miss it it was a good bike but had a lot of minor faults that botherd me the longer I owned it. They could have been fixed but they introduced the Gt and that finalized my position on the MTS

Hah. Sounds pretty much like my experience with my '06 Sprint. That and the fact that I was too tall for it.

[maddjack]

Triumph needs to have a second bike use that new 1200cc engine. I would guess a touring bike aka Trophy replacement.

This  

[Bain Dramage]

When I got the promo email from Triumph last week, I had to take a triple-look at the pics - it looks SO similar to my RT.

The Triumph has quite a lot of weight on the RT, with only a couple of inches of added wheelbase. This being the case, I don't see it as a viable competitor for the BMW 1600's, but it certainly is for those considering the RT.

What I think Triumph nailed was all the rider comfort options. For instance, cruise control, heated grips/seats, bluetooth.

It does look like a nice bike, and I will certainly go test ride one when they are available.

I hope Triumph enjoys much success with the model.

[falconati]

Me too.  I also hope it ridiculously undercuts the RT's pricetag so that they sell a bunch (and maybe even BMW considers lowering their price...but that's a pipedream!)

[Croak]

Me too.  I also hope it ridiculously undercuts the RT's pricetag so that they sell a bunch (and maybe even BMW considers lowering their price...but that's a pipedream!)

Since the entire drivetrain is lifted from the "starts at $16,500" Tiger Explorer, and the chassis is a more expensive (than semi-trellis) aluminum twin-spar frame, and it comes with more stock farkles (panniers, the bluetoofs, the non-optional WP electronic suspension) I'm guessing the North American SE model (the only NA model) will have a list price of at LEAST $18,500 in the US.

Now, that's a high MSRP for Triumph, but it's low compared to BMW's K (or R) touring bikes once you start adding things like ESA.  But Triumph is (unusually) not at price parity or lower than the Japanese competition, and that could be a problem.  The C14 is still more beastly in performance with a slight weight disadvantage, the FJR has a decade of laurels to rest upon, the ST1300 buyers are foolsloyalists who rarely brand switch, and so on.

[Dan K]

If I rode two up, I'd be all over this bike.  But alas, my wife will not throw a leg over a bike, so I'm good to go for now.  Doesn't mean I don't drool at B-Kings and ZX-14s and lately, the new Multistrada....

- Dan