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« Reply #40 on: June 30, 2012, 08:47:42 AM »

I'm just happy with how this story ended.  Bigok
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« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2012, 03:30:34 PM »

Depends. Did your spouse/SO/friends see you?

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« Reply #42 on: July 01, 2012, 05:48:31 AM »


Glad you're OK and didn't dump it on the highway.

2 major mistakes IMO:

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Not enough lead time for highway speeds. If I can't get 4 car lengths minimum between me and the car in front, I pass or slow down to allow more space. Space is golden. There is no such thing
as too much space on the highway. I commute every day. I treat every car/truck/Jazzy chair within 50 yards of me as a potential threat.

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You spent too much time trying to evaluate the intentions of the driver. With the distance you allowed yourself at highway speed the only thing you can afford is a very quick glance.
Something happened, he reacted to what was going on in front of him. You saw his reaction, and reacted yourself.  About double-triple the normal human reaction time for an average oh shit!! incident-decision-reaction.

Jersey is notoriously full of ignorant, aggressive, oblivious drivers. I'm sure you know that by now. When I see Jersey tags up in my area, I steer clear.

Bottom line is you didn't allow enough lead room for the car in front. Find the clearest lane you can ride in in NJ, no matter what the speed and ride that.

My first near-major accident on a bike occurred in California on misty-wet roads from coastal fog in a near exact same situation.
I was following too closely (about the same as you) in morning heavy slab traffic headed for the VAFB main gate.

Christmas tree string of brakelights, diving front ends, I hit both brakes and went into a dead-lock straight slide headed for the car in front. As a low-miles novice streetrider at the time I was lucky to know enough
to quickly clutch it, release the brakes, get the wheels rolling again and I swerved it around the car I was destined to hit and accidentally lane-split it between the 2 rows of tight traffic, and not shitting my pants at the same time. I was VERY lucky to say the least.

Take care in Jersey.  Thumbsup





Your post is pretty much a contradiction.
You state she should have allowed 4 car lengths (a distance you arbitrarily made up) while acknowledging how aggressive NJ drivers are.   Commuting is not riding.  Completely different animal.  You leave 4 car lengths and you will constantly have cars taking away your space in the lane.  You NEVER leave that much room, it's just too dangerous.
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« Reply #43 on: July 01, 2012, 06:08:50 AM »




Interesting...although I can't imagine any guy asking ME "how're they hangin'?"  Crazy


Lol Lol Lol

Sounds like my commute minus the contact.  Nice job keeping her upright Starbuck.
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« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2012, 12:24:58 AM »




Solution: leave Jersey  Twofinger
Progress: working on it  Thumbsup

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« Reply #45 on: July 02, 2012, 10:06:06 AM »


When I lived in the Baltimore Metro area 1.5 car lengths at highway speed meant there was at least enough room for 2 people to try and merge into that spot at the same time.


It was there that I honed my "aggressively defensive" riding technique.


That is no joke. I moved to Baltimore as a newbie driver. A car's length is an invitation for someone to merge on the Baltimore Beltway. I used to share a ride with an older guy who liked to leave about 4 car lengths of space in front of him. He would get so frustrated as people kept filling up that space.
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« Reply #46 on: July 02, 2012, 12:13:31 PM »

Maybe I'm being literal, but if you are injured (even a muscle strain) or there is physical damage to your bike or someone's property...it's an accident.

The happy ones are where you can go your way and need nothing more than muscle rub or ice to deal with the event's consequences.
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« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2012, 12:15:04 PM »


Maybe I'm being literal, but if you are injured (even a muscle strain) or there is physical damage to your bike or someone's property...it's an accident.

The happy ones are where you can go your way and need nothing more than muscle rub or ice to deal with the event's consequences.


An accident is... accidental. This one wasn't. This was a bunch of poor decisions all coming together at once... just like every other "accident" I've ever seen or been involved in.   Bigsmile
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« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2012, 06:27:35 AM »

You were on a dirt bike. Ok, a KLR so 1/2 a dirt bike.

Anyway, on dirt bikes hitting things and breaking stuff on the bike is part of riding. It's only an accident if you break something on your body.
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« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2012, 12:03:24 PM »

Glad your OK growing up in NJ and learing to ride there was interesting to say the least. Especialy with the Circles when 4 lanes of morons tried to merge at the same time. Crazy peole made me a better Rider lol. There are no Rules of the road lol except Survival which i see you do very well  Bigok
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