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« on: July 04, 2012, 07:59:49 AM »

Saturday wife unit and I are heading to Glacier National Park on the ST.  Besides Going To The Sun Road, what should not be missed?
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« Reply #1 on: July 04, 2012, 08:11:13 AM »

The hike to Iceberg Lake is pretty epic. Also Grinnell Glacier is pretty amazing. Both of those are somewhat involved hikes of 9-11 miles.

If you're looking for smaller hikes Grinnell Lake is pretty nice, especially with the boat shuttle, or Upper Two Medicine Lake, which is a bit more of a hike, but also has a boat shuttle
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« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2012, 08:14:16 AM »

I know you hate me but go to Many Glaciers and Two Medicine areas . Very pretty .

If you are into hiking , well , there some truly epic hikes in the park .

If you camp I suggest Two Medicine and Cut Bank CGs . All campgrounds right off Going to The Sun are just too busy for my tastes and they tend to fill up early .

Cut Bank CG is at the end of 5 miles long good gravel road and is primitive , a.k.a. no water and no real restrooms .

MT 49 between US2 and US89 on the east side is a must also , I suggest you include it in your route .
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« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2012, 09:04:07 AM »

Siyeh pass hike - 10 mi.  Use the park shuttles- hike is a loop the starts and ends at different shuttle stops.  

I posted a ride report with details on the hike here:

http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,55886.msg1286026.html#msg1286026

Have fun!
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« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2012, 11:37:50 AM »

It is illegal (well, at least it should be) to ride into the state of Montana and NOT travel along the Beartooth Highway. Yes, it is a bit out of the way of Glacier NP, but it is truly one of the best MC roads in the country. Glacier NP is beautiful, and hell, might as well see the glaciers before they all disappear. However, riding in the Park can be a congested pain-in-the-ass if construction is still going on.

Have a good trip, and don't forget to post a ride report,

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« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2012, 03:26:19 PM »

Thanks for the suggestions.  I will print these out before I leave.





I know you hate me but go to Many Glaciers and Two Medicine areas . Very pretty .


I only hate your prejudice and ignorance.  I love YOU, man.   Inlove




It is illegal (well, at least it should be) to ride into the state of Montana and NOT travel along the Beartooth Highway.


Lisa and I hit that a couple of years ago- lots of fun.  I have video to post if I find it.
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« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2012, 06:31:44 PM »








I only hate your prejudice and ignorance.  I love YOU, man.   Inlove








ehhhhh , you guys just don`t get my sense of humor . Bigsmile

There is worth visiting Museum of the Plains Indian in Browning MT , you most likely be there anyway .

Avoid doing Going to the Sun on weekends or during the midday , it can be clusterfuck , mornings and evenings are the best .

In the Flathead Lake area  - cherry season usually starts in the second half of July . I suggest hitting one of the U-pick-it orchards on the east side of the lake . Fantastic cherries .
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« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2012, 09:51:06 PM »

However, riding in the Park can be a congested pain-in-the-ass if construction is still going on.


Just there about 2 weeks ago. There is construction at the top of Going to the Sun Hwy resulting in one-way traffic led by a pilot vehicle. We lucked on and caught the tail end of a procession going up so when the rear pilot vehicle dropped off, we were able to just stop and wait for the line in front of us to clear and it was smooth sailing from there on out. Drivers are incredibly dumb and will stop in the middle of the road to gawk at scenery, elk, bears, etc. It is an incredibly and amazingly beautiful place but take a deep breath in dealing with everyone else who is there to see it.









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« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2012, 10:26:09 PM »

Cattle barons supper club in babb Montana, east side of the park.

http://www.epinions.com/review/park-Parks-All-MT-Glacier_National_Park/content_40822935172?sb=1

Take ride to the many glacier hotel, and if you like, stay overnight.
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« Reply #9 on: July 05, 2012, 06:27:20 AM »

That looks spectacular.  Enjoy!   Thumbsup
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2012, 10:27:27 AM »


The hike to Iceberg Lake is pretty epic. Also Grinnell Glacier is pretty amazing. Both of those are somewhat involved hikes of 9-11 miles.


If you do Iceberg Lake, try to add Ptarmigan tunnel too. Beware the climb ... the higher elevations will tax most people more than usual. Going to Glacier easily justifies preparing by working out in the off-season.
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2012, 04:32:00 AM »

a decent bottle of gin, tonic and lime. the ice will be waiting for you.
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« Reply #12 on: July 06, 2012, 10:01:23 AM »

If you are going in that direction:

http://www.nps.gov/libi/index.htm

One of the most moving experiences that I have had traveling.
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« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2012, 02:32:10 PM »

You're not far from the Canada sister park, Waterton Lakes w/ the Prince of Wales hotel

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« Reply #14 on: July 07, 2012, 01:40:37 PM »


You're not far from the Canada sister park, Waterton Lakes w/ the Prince of Wales hotel

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg39/blakebird/August%202009%20trip/P8110090.jpg



That building is extremely ugly.
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« Reply #15 on: July 16, 2012, 08:39:28 AM »

We got back last night after a really nice trip.  I will add photos in a couple of days.

It was wicked hot everywhere we went, but we avoided the rain.  Hydration was key to avoid cramps and crabbiness.

Hwy 2 across North Dakota and Wyoming was a new road for me, despite living in northern Minnesota / Wisconsin for many years.  I had read about 2 in RoadRunner magazine a couple of years ago and I had a similar experience to the author- decent roads with little traffic.  Seeing all the new construction due to the oil boom was interesting.  There were lots and lots of temporary homes and trailers.  Since we had the wife units in tow we did not bomb the 1,100 mile ride in one day.  The heat would have made it too much.  ND is boring until the western quarter.  MT is pretty with its rolling hills.

We stayed just south of East Glacier Park Village at Bison Creek Ranch http://www.bisoncreekranch.com/  This place was family owned, close to the park, and relatively inexpensive.  I did not enjoy the long, loose gravel driveway or the lack of AC, but everything else was fine.  The four of us had an A frame cabin.  They have AWESOME food in their small restaurant.  We never eat at the same place twice when traveling (new experiences, etc), but we had dinner there three times!

Glacier Map Linkage:  http://www.nps.gov/common/commonspot/customcf/apps/maps/showmap.cfm?alphacode=glac&parkname=Glacier

After arriving Kent and I road the Two Medicine Lake spur without the women.  It was nice to ride the bikes with all our gear weighing them down.  We found the park service rented electric boats on Two Medicine Lake and planned to return on our last day.  

Tuesday we did Going To The Sun Road from east to west.  Great views and smooth roads.  Hwy 49 and 89 brought us to the road.  These are hilly,  twisty, and a lot of fun (guardrails are for the weak).  My spouse and I had the same old argument about big lean angles and speed.  She usually lets me play for a little while before returning to slow mode, but not this day.  89 had some patchwork with choppy surfaces.

On GTTSR one must be disciplined in photo taking- every new view seemed more picture worthy than the last.  The water was almost turquoise like a Caribbean beach and the mountain views were spectacular.  At the top (Logan Pass) we played in the snow and did a short hike.  Dropping down the west side we ran into big traffic delays due to construction.  We sat for half an hour as the road was flagged for one way traffic.  Luckily I found a shady spot to sit.

On Wednesday we rode a clockwise loop around the park perimeter in BC and Alberta (west on 2, north on 93, north/east on 3, south on 6 / 17, south on 89 /49).  Most of the roads were smooth and wide with high speed gentle sweepers.  There were great views of the park unobstructed by trees or sharp elevation changes.  It was a long ride, but easy.  We stopped for lunch in Fernie BC- what a cool little town.  We saw a female moose but it was too far away to photograph.  I have seen lots of moose on fishing trips, but it was a first for my wife and she was happy about it.  On our return I went slower on 89/49, but again found it was too fast for my passenger.  I have a hard time judging her comfort level on the bike.  Sometimes fast is cool and other times it is not.  I respect the fact that she crashed (as a passenger) years ago and I understand it is tough to be a passenger.

Thursday was relaxing.  We slowly road back to Two Medicine and rented an electric boat.  We boated to the dock on the far side of the lake and hiked around for a bit.  We met a nice couple from Billings MT that used to live near us.  They were paddling a 17 foot Kevlar Wenonah Spirit II, one of my favorite canoes.  It had an aluminum outrigger brace made by a guy I know in Iron Mountain MN (Spring Creek Outfitters).  Small world.  After returning the boat we rode the Many Glacier spur road, only to be stopped for a grizzly on the road.  By the time we got our cameras out he was gone.  The Many Glacier road is beat to hell and required low speed.  We did the hike around Swiftcurrent Lake with the spur trail to Lake Josephine.

Friday we headed out.  After hearing from the canoe couple about the low summer humidity and mild(er) winter temps in Billings, we decided to check it out.  Kent and I are planning to move after retirement so we visit prospective communities.  We hit mile after mile of nasty construction.  A local told us there was stimulus money being spent on the roads.  The crews were all from out of state and the roads chosen seemed haphazard.  You would be skipping along at 80 MPH on a super smooth road only to be delayed for 20 minutes in the middle of nowhere (and in the hot sun) for a 10 miles section of shale like gravel.  Most every road we took cautioned motorcyclists to find an alternate route.  That made no sense since every road had a section of construction.

I started to get nervous about my back tire.  I was on my first Metzeler Z-8 Interact.  I liked the Z-6, but it had no wear mark on the center.  The jagged construction surfaces, heat (102 degrees at one point), and extra weight were wearing the tire early and causing cupping.  I had ordered a new rear, but it arrived at my work after we had left.  I assumed I could get 6K out of the tire since other ST1300 riders got 7 or more (a friend with an FJR got 10K out of a Z-6).  After construction zones I commonly swerve the bike around a little to shake off anything construction tar or junk.  Kent later told me I was leaving black marks in the pavement during those swerves.  EEK!

Between Billings and Fargo we were on the freeway with little construction.  I checked the tire wear and pressure on each stop.  Late Saturday afternoon east of Bismarck ND we braked for lunch.  The rear tire center was just getting to the wear bar but I was flaking tire on the left side.  Interacts have a hard center and softer sides.  Just off the hard center on the left side I had three or four small bits of steel cord showing.  This was at 5,200 miles.  I should have realized the hard riding I did in Arkansas combined with the weight and heat of this trip was extra wear.  The jagged construction zones only made things worse.  Did I mention it was late on a Saturday?

Calling around Bismarck it was clear I would not get a tire hung.  Even if they did have my size, no one was open and tomorrow was Sunday.  We gingerly rode to Bismarck and found a hotel.  I tried a trick a GS friend of mine used twice in Alaska when his final drive failed (yes, twice failed).  He bought an old truck to put his bike in, figuring he could sell it back home and lose less money than by renting.  He is still driving one of those old trucks.  I found nothing decent so I tried to rent a small U-Haul pick up truck.  No dice.  The smallest one in the area was a 10 foot box truck.  So I ordered one on-line and we headed out to a BBQ joint to eat and drink.

On Sunday morning I found the 10 foot box truck was gone, but they rented me a 14 footer for the same rate.  I did not trust the wimpy tie downs in the box so I rented a ramp trailer.  So off we went into the harsh ND crosswind with an empty 14 foot gas truck pulling a trailer full of ST.  The AC was nice.  We got 5.6 MPG until MN, then it went way up (no wind).  I dropped the bike off at my buddy's place where we change our own tires.

Overall it was a great trip.  I learned a few things:

1.  Order tires long before you need them.
2.  Mount tires long before the old ones wear out.
3.  Take a car if traveling with the wife.  Her idea of motorcycle fun is not mine.
4.  Spend more time off the bike hiking.
5.  Go in the cool spring, despite scheduling conflicts.
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« Reply #16 on: July 16, 2012, 02:00:31 PM »




That building is extremely ugly.

so is the Prince of Wales, so it's totally fitting.
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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2012, 01:23:12 PM »


If you are going in that direction:

http://www.nps.gov/libi/index.htm

One of the most moving experiences that I have had traveling.
I totally agree....I've visited the battlefield many times and each is a spiritual experience. Here's another one across the state that should not be missed.
http://www.nps.gov/biho/index.htm
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