Panigale 1199 a performance flop?

[falconati]

Twice the twin=twice the fun?  

[axelwik]

I rode the S model on our local twisties (Sandia Crest road, near Albuquerque) and thought it was great. Far more flickable and sharper handling than anything I've ever ridden in the past. Power is up high, so had to get used to that, and my butt got a little hot. Did the same exact ride back to back with my supersport and there was just no comparison - other than a few little quirks the Panigale is awesome.

[jfusaro]

Performance flop? I don't think so. I just got to ride my friends 1199S this weekend and its as good as its gonna get for me. Super fast, great brakes, character out the ass and a top end like nobodys business. I have ridden a S1000RR a few times and these two could not be any different but for a mere mortal like myself either would do. I have a MTS 1200s and I'm in the comfortable superbike part of my life but the 1199 would do nice for me for anything under 2 hrs. as its super stiff.  I would have to say the Ducati must have had to do something to it tune/exhaust wise to bring it here but what do I know all I know its more than I would ever need in real world.

[Cowboy 6]

I guess we will have to see how it does in WSBK?

As someone else said, it would be nice to have the Supersport back again. (now that Terblanche is gone and can't screw it up.)

[atadaskew]

I guess we will have to see how it does in WSBK?

Again, people are missing the point.
To the dood who says it it night and day difference to his 20 year old 70 hp Supersport.. Ya think?
To the guy who says it is a fantastic ride... Ya think?

Point is with all the incredible hype, head to head against current old tech Japanese bikes, it only bests the Yamaha.  The long in tooth Honda, GSXR, and new Kawi all positively smoke it on the street.

Of course it is a performance flop.  The incredible mid range is now gone.  Replaced with peak powah that still does not best I4s on the street or track in street form.
And of course it is an incredible ride. As all these bikes are, but that's not the point, is it?  Not when it is touted as a game changer.

[expatbrit]

Of course it is a performance flop.  The incredible mid range is now gone.  Replaced with peak powah that still does not best I4s on the street or track in street form.
And of course it is an incredible ride. As all these bikes are, but that's not the point, is it?  Not when it is touted as a game changer.

Key words: "On the Street". Is it a "performance flop" if it doesn't achieve on the street?

Personally, I don't think so. I don't believe it was built to be a success on the street (and I think that's a shame, too, but that's beside the point). It's built to be the best track/race bike Ducati can build within a price envelope.

Then they sell it on the street.

Is it practical?

Is that engine tuned for the street?

Is it a bike I'd want to ride on the street?

The answer to all of the above is no, but I don't want to ride a supersport 600 that also lacks mid-range, etc, either. It's a technological marvel, and great at it's purpose. Shame that's not the purpose that 95% of the people who buy it really want.

[atadaskew]

The latest issue of SportBike just dropped.

1198S vs MV Agusta vs Aprilia RSV

Duc was last on the track, and last on the street.

Dood, this bike has taken a beating in the press.

[Orson]

To be fair, having to wear a man-purse cuts into your lap times.

 

[expatbrit]

The latest issue of SportBike just dropped.

1198S vs MV Agusta vs Aprilia RSV

Duc was last on the track, and last on the street.

Dood, this bike has taken a beating in the press.

Doh. Hadn't seen that one. Comment rescinded.

[Flightar]

Some people forget the one and only reason Ducati makes this bike...to win races in WSBK, AMA SBK, etc. This is a bike that they sell because they have to do so, if they want to race it. Winning magazine articles was not even on the radar. Alot of people that just gotta have a Duck won't buy a Japanese bike because it just dosent have the character, sexiness, bling, curb appeal, snob appeal, or whatever reason you come up with to justify your choice. Then again alot will because they are not Ducatisti, but garden variety enhusiasts. (like me)

This bike was made for exactly the same reasons the OW-01, YZF-R7, RC30, RC45, and the RC51, were built...to serve as a flagship, but more importantly to win races. Ducati won't care less if the competition is better on the street or in comparisson tests...as long as they are kicking ass on the track.

[Croak]

Some people forget the one and only reason Ducati makes race bikes is to sell street bikes.  Winning races in WSBK, AMA SKB, etc is all about sales.  The Panigale is the bike they race because they sell it.  Winning magazine articles is just as important as winning races...  

[Flightar]

Disagree...Ducati sells street bikes like the 1199 because they win races, and have to sell them in order to race them...after that you have the fact people think they are cool, kind of like an Italian Harley. Its the same story with Ferrari. The old man didn't give a crap about building street cars but it was a way to pay for racing, so he built them.

This philosophy dosent work though with bikes like the Monster, Hyperstrada, MTS (although winning the Pikes Paek dosent hurt), or Diavel. Those serve a completely different ddynamic.

Look at it any way you'd like though.

[falconati]

Disagree...Ducati sells street bikes like the 1199 because they win races, and have to sell them in order to race them...after that you have the fact people think they are cool, kind of like an Italian Harley. Its the same story with Ferrari. The old man didn't give a crap about building street cars but it was a way to pay for racing, so he built them.

This philosophy dosent work though with bikes like the Monster, Hyperstrada, MTS (although winning the Pikes Paek dosent hurt), or Diavel. Those serve a completely different ddynamic.

Look at it any way you'd like though.

You're wrong, Croak is right.  They're not interested in racing for the sake of racing.  They're interested in turning a profit.  If they can also win races, or if winning races helps increase their profitability, that's great.  But that's just a part in the process.

[SLK50]

Racing is a cost of doing business and falls under
marketing. That's why there's a "racing budget".
It's not the raison d'être.

[jfusaro]

Win on Sunday sell on Monday

[black hills]

A Ducati not performing up to factory hype????    we should ask Nicky Hayden about this, or better yet Vale

[veefer800canuck]

Since they suck so much, I know where to get one dirt cheap.

Ssssh, it's HOT.

[atadaskew]

Win on Sunday sell on Monday

I'd prefer to lose on Sunday, and sell on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday.

You can have Monday.

[1KPerDay]

There is only one answer. Quit reading comparison tests and go out and ride one for yourself and make your own judgement.

You have a 999R?

[Silverbird]

Only a fool would choose their ride by it winning in race trim the day before.