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« on: August 23, 2012, 07:50:53 AM »

So I’ve gone through several bikes over the years.  I’ll admit at first, it was a bit of the Goldilocks syndrome as I was getting back into riding after being away for 10 years… There was a lot of this one is too bloated, that one is too slow, this one is not ideal for long trips, that one cannot go off road, and so on and so on.  

I purchased my 2008 990 Adventure brand new and it’s quite the bike!  I still adore it.  In fact, if I were still living in West Virginia, I would still have it.  I had plenty of excellent fireroads and jeep trails nearby.  In fact, I would still have the 530EXC too.  But, the move to central NC changed my needs.

The first thing I found out was the closest KTM dealer which can service the LC8 motor is two and a half hours away.  While I will do all of the normal maintenance on my own, valves and anything technical would be done by them.  I am a big proponent that a local dealer can make or break a bike decision (which is part of the reason I didn’t consider a Guzzi Norge or Triumph Trophy).  

In addition to no local dealer support for the KTM (pretty common right now across the US), there’s the quality of day or weekend rides which can be done on either KTM (Adventure or 530).  In WV, I could ride from my driveway and be on KTM-appropriate stuff within minutes.  Here, it’s more than 2 hours on the Adventure on long straight roads or interstate to get to the good stuff and on the 530 it’s impossible to ride it areas which it would be happy.  

So, I sold the 530, purchased a trailer and picked up a track bike because I had a friend selling a GSXR for a song.  I had thought about getting a 250cc dirt bike and trailering to ORV areas, but I’m still not sure that’s what I want to do.  

I had pulled off several track days on the 750 and even earned a novice provisional race license.  However, during my time on the track this year, I have noticed the quality of riding on the track has either greatly diminished or I have been super fortunate with groups I’ve shared the track with in the past.  Yeah, sure, I had a get off this year that was my fault.  My little low side didn’t shake me one bit.  It found it to be funny.  But, I had way too many close calls with guys riding well above their skill set.  Also, during my brief time doing track days this year, I’ve seen way too many people taken off the track for serious injuries (including one incident which one rider lost his arm and another lost his life).  Despite years of track days in the past, I had made up my mind that I’m done.  I realize what I witnessed this year could be some sort of an anomaly, but it turned me off.  Done.

As I had cash in my pocket from selling the track bike, I ran across a great deal on a K1200S at my local BMW dealer.  I’ve always liked them and always through it would be nice to have a powerhouse bike once in my riding career.  I was able to test ride it for quite some time and pulled the trigger.  The track bike money was gone.  I put 5,000 miles on the K bike during the two months I owned it.  This was my first BMW and the one thing that stood out to me is how BMW really does make a bike with the rider in mind.  I can’t explain it, but it felt like it was built for the bike’s exact purpose and the bike to human interface was excellent.  

When I purchased the K bike, the owner invited me to come back to the dealer in a few weeks because the BMW factory demo truck was going to be there.  I immediately signed up to test ride three bikes.

1)   BMW 650 Sertao because I was seriously thinking with the K, I could downsize my “adventure” bike to something with less weight and had a local dealer

2)   BMW K1600GT – just for the heck of it as I have never ridden a monster touring bike.

3)   BMW R1200RT – I had always heard how nimble they were and I wanted more time with the new HP2 derived boxer  which BM started to use in 2010.  The previous boxer never really “spoke” to me.  

Ther Sertao didn’t impress me.  It’s not that light compared to the KTM and it didn’t feel as well mannered off road compared to the larger KTM.  

The K1600GT was very impressive.  I could see myself on something like this in 15-20 years.  

The R1200RT was the surprise of the day.  I liked it so much that I couldn’t stop talking about it.  Eventually, I went back to the dealer to take another test ride.  I knew I had to have it.  They made me quite an excellent trade-in offer on the 2005 K1200S I purchased from them so all I had left to do is see if I could sell the KTM.  

Within a week’s time I had the KTM sold and had a lot of interest on some of the aftermarket goodies which I would sell separately.  At the end of the day, I financed a bike for the first time as I could live with owing less than 20% of the bike’s MSRP.  

Now that you know the background, why exactly did the RT speak to me?

With the RT in the garage, I can do long tours and pull off very sporty rides as well.  With the KTM, touring and sporty twisty riding was kind of a compromise.  The wind buffeting could be miserable on long long days and the more narrow tires and higher CG didn’t provide as much confidence as a lower CG bike with gripper shoes.  

The RT excels at long ass days in the saddle.  It’s the most comfortable bike I believe I have ever ridden.  The wind management is very good.  It’s not nearly as clean as a VFR or that K1200S, but the screen is well designed and doesn’t generate any noticeable buffeting.  I would like to be able to get a little more air on me, but that’s in the works as I’m looking at sport screens for the R to use during the summer.  

Even before ever considering an RT, I always thought that comfort would be the bike’s biggest positive attribute.  But, after riding it, I discovered the bloated looking touring bike can RAIL in the twisties!  It’s short wheelbase, low CG, and relatively low weight all translates into a bike I feel as confident as I was on my Super Duke during spirited road riding.  And that puts it in pretty good company.  Sure, on a track the Super Duke would be able to smoke it.  But, when I’m at 7/10 of aggressive street riding, the RT can handle everything I’ve been able to toss at it.  Plus, the 2010+ HP2 derived OVC boxer is a great motor.  It puts down a ton of torque and is perfect for riding at a pace which I hardly ever use my brakes.  Of course, the fact it is perfectly happy to be flung into a corner gives confidence when I believe I may need a little brake.  Instead, I can scrub off some speed with the front tire while it’s on its side.  Thumbsup

Take the attributes above and add to it the fact the bike has a host of creature features at my fingertips (adjustable windscreen, adjustable suspension, heated grips, heated seats, cruise control, etc…), and it makes this the quintessential Sport-Touring bike with a nice 50/50 mix of both sport and touring.  

While I still want to get a bike to play in the dirt again, that will come later as I still haven’t figured out what I want to do.  Something like the Sertao speaks to me.  I like being able to ride from my home to the dirty stuff.  I so wish Yamaha would release the 650 Tenere in the US.  I really believe that bike would be perfect.  I know there are other options and I’ll take my time over the next few years trying them all out.  Of course, now that I own a trailer, a 250 trail bike has potential too.  I just need to figure out where I can ride it and make sure I’m comfortable doing gnarly single track alone as it’s not easy to find someone who has the same schedule to ride with.  

But for now, I look forward to long trips on this RT.  I like the idea that I have a bike which could pull off a solid day and ½ to 2 days of highway riding to expand my “touring radius” for week long trips to explore great places.  I am even tempted to go for my first Iron Butt.  

It’s been years since I’ve lost sleep the night before a day’s ride on a motorcycle and this RT has done that.  The last two bikes to tickle my fancy the same way was the Duc ST3 and the Super Duke.  As I put some more time on the bike, I’ll report back if anyone’s interested.  
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« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2012, 07:51:24 AM »

If you missed the following buried in another RT thread, I present to you my new 2012 BMW R1200RT.




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« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2012, 07:52:44 AM »

Bike Ho that you are, we'll revisit this thread in about 2 years.  Lol
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« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2012, 07:55:18 AM »


Bike Ho that you are, we'll revisit this thread in about 2 years.  Lol


My wife bet me $750 that I wouldn't keep this bike for more than 4 years.  I offered $500, she wanted $1000.  So, we settled on $750.  

I may be a bike ho, but I'm can still be frugal at my bike ho'ness.
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« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2012, 07:57:11 AM »


Bike Ho that you are, we'll revisit this thread in about 2 years.  Lol


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My wife bet me $750 that I wouldn't keep this bike for more than 4 years.  I offered $500, she wanted $1000.  So, we settled on $750.  

I may be a bike ho, but I'm can still be frugal at my bike ho'ness.


Meh.  Nice bike.
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2012, 08:10:45 AM »

Great write-up, Doug! I really enjoyed the back story and your perspective on the bike. The bike is beautiful!  Inlove

I can't wait to see it in person in two weeks!  Thumbsup
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My wife bet me $750 that I wouldn't keep this bike for more than 4 years.  I offered $500, she wanted $1000.  So, we settled on $750.  

I may be a bike ho, but I'm can still be frugal at my bike ho'ness.


And when there's money on the line the decision to hold on to it is that much easier  Bigsmile  Thumbsup
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2012, 09:01:19 AM »

Yes. The RT is deceptive. Once you take the tupperware off, you see she is just a skinny girl in a hoop skirt. Jugs are pretty big tho...  Bigsmile

The bike is just stupid easy to ride. Enjoy!
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« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2012, 09:25:02 AM »

I'm an R bike fan myself and this is the longest that I've kept a bike. I think you'll really like this as a long termer because it does so much so well. And that motor just won't quit (mine's been just abused and it runs like a top).

Looking forward to more and more ride reports from you.

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« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2012, 09:39:30 AM »

I think I need something like an RT. My 700lb squishy-pig is hindering me as a rider I believe. The bike is intimidating sometimes in the twisties and even on slightly snaky smooth 2 laners where you should be able to do 80 mph without blatting an eye.

I'm a fairly conservative rider anyway, but my bike, comfy, reliable, powerful mile-eater that it is, is without a doubt holding me back as a rider.

I like the comfort and weather protection of full-fairing and windshield touring bikes. I also like power on tap. I like bags. Hardbags, something that I don't have to futz around with on a daily basis. I think something that would be a good 200lbs lighter and with superior suspension, braking, and handling would be good for me as a rider.

The RT seems like it would fit the bill in all those areas for me and I'd love to give one a try sometime. I've ridden two BMW's in my motorcycling career. A K1300GT and an F800ST. Two completely different animals, but
both of those motorcycles had the nicest feeling suspension and general all-around performance that I've ever felt on two wheels. Both bikes were very confidence-inspiring, and after having some ass time in those saddles,
getting back on the Connie felt like a chore.

The problem up here in NEPA is we've got a LOT of good riding roads, but on the flipside a lot of these roads are really going to pot. Chipseal, cracks, potholes, gravel, etc.
My thoughts towards a next bike are leaning towards a big dual-sport of some kind, but they don't do my eye any justice. I like my bikes pretty, and streamlined looking also.

The RT might be a perfect type of bike for me if I can ever afford one someday. For a guy like me though the thought of anything going wrong with an out-of-warranty BMW is scary though.
I also need something I can afford to ride and FIX if need be.
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« Reply #11 on: August 23, 2012, 09:45:13 AM »




And when there's money on the line the decision to hold on to it is that much easier  Bigsmile  Thumbsup


True.  Plus, I used to work in the production side of the bank before my current position.  The bonus money I would sometimes qualify to receive at year end was crazy good.  As long as I saved 1/2 of it (savings, retirement, etc...), Sheri and agreed to have fun with the rest of it.  So, I've been pretty fortunate to have play money to do all the past trades.  Plus, strong negotiating and finding bargains like the dealer demo Super Duke all helped.

With my new job, bonus money (significant bonus money) is a thing of the past.  So, bike decisions for me are even more methodical.  I need to be able to live with it.  Also, Sheri and really enjoy traveling.  We find that we are putting more money in trips and vacations because we enjoy doing tit together so much.  IF ONLY she would get on the back of a bike, it would be the best of both worlds.  My “dirty” bike could very well end up being a Ural because that’s the only bike she said she may actually ride with me.  There’s little logic in it other than *she* feels more comfortable.  
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« Reply #12 on: August 23, 2012, 09:59:07 AM »

Congrats on purchasing a great bike.  Wait, didn't I just say that about the k12?  Headscratch

Really though, congrats. It is a wonderful bike.  Thumbsup

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« Reply #13 on: August 23, 2012, 10:09:29 AM »



The bike is just stupid easy to ride. Enjoy!


Well said!



I'm an R bike fan myself and this is the longest that I've kept a bike. I think you'll really like this as a long termer because it does so much so well. And that motor just won't quit (mine's been just abused and it runs like a top).

Looking forward to more and more ride reports from you.

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I remember seeing your S at the National Meet a few years back.  I am happy to read how happy you are with it.  I believe the R1200S is the best looking BMW made to date.
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The RT might be a perfect type of bike for me if I can ever afford one someday. For a guy like me though the thought of anything going wrong with an out-of-warranty BMW is scary though.
I also need something I can afford to ride and FIX if need be.


Have you taken a closer look at the next gen connie?  I've seen excellent deals on some used ones out there and I was very impressed with it when I was able to ride one.  
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« Reply #15 on: August 23, 2012, 10:18:28 AM »

Beautiful high performance rides, however that big/heavy factor is still there. I'm looking to drop 100-150lbs on my next ride, at least.
Plus I don't want to be feeding something a PR2 for dinner tonight, and then again for lunch the next day.  Lol
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« Reply #16 on: August 23, 2012, 10:21:42 AM »


Bike Ho that you are, we'll revisit this thread in about 2 years.  Lol


Within 12 months he will have added something else - he might still have the RT for the entire 2 years but no way it will be alone in the garage for long.

There be good dirt in NC - just have to fine it.

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Beautiful high performance rides, however that big/heavy factor is still there. I'm looking to drop 100-150lbs on my next ride, at least.
Plus I don't want to be feeding something a PR2 for dinner tonight, and then again for lunch the next day.  Lol


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Used FZ-1 w/ bags (Gen 2 w/ FI). If you want a sleeker look, I believe that lower fairing panels can be purchased to make it look like a mini FJR.


IMHO, the only upgrade that bike needs is a better rear shock and spring with a remote pre-load adjuster.  That and the fairings would make for an excellent low maintenance high performance touring rig.   Bigok
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2012, 11:57:37 AM »

Nice write-up, Doug.  Personally I was surprised that you went this direction, but your reasoning makes good sense.  Enjoy your RT!   Thumbsup






(I'll bet a brewsky he doesn't last 4-years, though. Lol )
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Used FZ-1 w/ bags (Gen 2 w/ FI). If you want a sleeker look, I believe that lower fairing panels can be purchased to make it look like a mini FJR.


I saw a newer Bandit set up just like that a few years back for ~$6K in a shop they took on trade for a Triumph with around 3k miles on it- I really liked it.

Seemed to be a great do it all bike - sadly I already had 3 in the garage and it got away.
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My wife bet me $750 that I wouldn't keep this bike for more than 4 years.  I offered $500, she wanted $1000.  So, we settled on $750.  

I may be a bike ho, but I'm can still be frugal at my bike ho'ness.


my wife didn't even give me that option....  after i buy it she says...  "now you will keep it for at least 5 years so we get max out of the warranty."   oh darn.  Wink
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IMHO, the only upgrade that bike needs is a better rear shock and spring with a remote pre-load adjuster.  That and the fairings would make for an excellent low maintenance high performance touring rig.   Bigok


^^This will be the next mod for my RT as M.Brane has his 5' 9", 160 lb son as a pillion on occasion (he's twelve), so still a child in so many ways.... Fortunately I chauffer my own large butt around...  Lol
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« Reply #23 on: August 23, 2012, 03:26:49 PM »

I bounced from several bikes before finally ending up with one as well. In my mind it's as close to perfect a bike that is out there, but I'd still like it smaller and lighter - scale it down 15% keeping all the features and it would be perfect. I'm pretty damn happy with it the way it is though, far and away the best bike I've ever ridden.
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I bounced from several bikes before finally ending up with one as well. In my mind it's as close to perfect a bike that is out there, but I'd still like it smaller and lighter - scale it down 15% keeping all the features and it would be perfect. I'm pretty damn happy with it the way it is though, far and away the best bike I've ever ridden.


*sigh* I hear ya. I've had to rock my bike off the kickstand to get it upright if its on a slight downhill slope or in sand. Cusswords are excellent torque multipliers.
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« Reply #25 on: August 23, 2012, 06:58:02 PM »


Nice write-up, Doug.  Personally I was surprised that you went this direction, but your reasoning makes good sense.  Enjoy your RT!   Thumbsup


(I'll bet a brewsky he doesn't last 4-years, though. Lol )


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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2012, 11:34:30 AM »

Revealing write-up; interesting to read what leads one to a particular bike. Thumbsup May you have manymany happy miles together.

Seems like the new RT is taking over the way FJRs did some years back. Confess I was a bit shocked at the MSRP- that's Harley territory!  :pokestick:
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2012, 04:39:39 PM »

This is a really interesting write up for me to read.

You sound like a rider with a similar history to me, I have been thinking my next bike will be perhaps the K1300S as I am getting old and would like to expand my touring horizons.

I must admit after reading your review I wont limit my search to the "hypersport" type bikes.

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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2012, 06:54:23 PM »

Dave, the hyper bike is fun. But, I enjoy the crisp handling of RT.  There is a nice review of the RT in September's issue of Rider.



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« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2012, 03:46:19 PM »

The RT is one of the best bike series ever.  The recent models are an excellent blend of power and comfort, while keeping unnecessary weight at bay.  I'll definitely own one some day.
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« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2012, 08:51:19 PM »


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But for now, I look forward to long trips on this RT.  I like the idea that I have a bike which could pull off a solid day and ½ to 2 days of highway riding to expand my “touring radius” for week long trips to explore great places.  I am even tempted to go for my first Iron Butt.  ...



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« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2012, 08:37:41 AM »

Cruise control, it's the #1 reason I went for the 12.
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« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2012, 09:30:06 AM »

Excellent write-up, Doug.  Hope you really enjoy the new ride.  It does sound like an excellent bike.

Any way I can get in on that bet?   Smile

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« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2012, 10:28:21 AM »

Nice bike!

Gotta be honest, bro, I don't give it 9 months.

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« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2012, 01:06:21 PM »

9 months?  that many? dang....  you're reaching...   Lol
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« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2012, 02:01:20 PM »

Eh, cmon guys - stop busting his balls about changing bikes.  I do it frequently too.  It's not that I dislike any of my rides, but I want to ride as many possible before I'm no longer able.  For me it's about experiencing all the various aspects of motorcycling.  
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Eh, cmon guys - stop busting his balls about changing bikes.  I do it frequently too.  It's not that I dislike any of my rides, but I want to ride as many possible before I'm no longer able.  For me it's about experiencing all the various aspects of motorcycling.  


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« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2012, 03:23:36 PM »

He's a big boy and can ride as many bikes as he wants!

It's just him saying he's gonna keep this one.  We've all heard this song before...  


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« Reply #39 on: August 28, 2012, 12:18:00 PM »

Gorgeous bike Doug. I love the dark blue. Congrats!
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« Reply #40 on: August 28, 2012, 12:22:41 PM »


My “dirty” bike could very well end up being a Ural because that’s the only bike she said she may actually ride with me.  There’s little logic in it other than *she* feels more comfortable.  


GF actually prefers the Ural to the GSA for the same reasons.  As a bonus, you'll find it's easier to take a passenger on a Ural (performance increases as you can take right handers with less chance of inadvertent chair flying  Lol).  Seriously, I prefer having her in the Ural than on the GSA as the handling of the Ural doesn't change that much whereas with the GSA the difference is manageable but noticeable.

Back to the RT, I've also looked at them for the same reasons you've cited.  My one drawback is that at 6'1" I'm borderline cramped on an RT, but comfy on the GSA.  

And boxer motors just rule.  Wait until you get about 20K on it, the R motors smooth out even more and you cannot beat them for slow speed maneuvers.  Congrats on the RT!  Thumbsup
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GF actually prefers the Ural to the GSA for the same reasons.  As a bonus, you'll find it's easier to take a passenger on a Ural (performance increases as you can take right handers with less chance of inadvertent chair flying  Lol).  Seriously, I prefer having her in the Ural than on the GSA as the handling of the Ural doesn't change that much whereas with the GSA the difference is manageable but noticeable.

Back to the RT, I've also looked at them for the same reasons you've cited.  My one drawback is that at 6'1" I'm borderline cramped on an RT, but comfy on the GSA.  

And boxer motors just rule.  Wait until you get about 20K on it, the R motors smooth out even more and you cannot beat them for slow speed maneuvers.  Congrats on the RT!  Thumbsup


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« Reply #42 on: August 28, 2012, 06:30:04 PM »

Doug,

That was an well written excellent read! I had the same bike and color in'09. Enjoy and we all look forward to reading about your adventures on in the future. Thanks for posting and congrats!

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« Reply #43 on: August 30, 2012, 06:31:33 AM »

I put a deposit on an '05 RT and hope to have it by next week sometime!

This one's set up for a taller rider (I'm 6'2") with Ohlins front and back, and a wide seat by Rick Mayer.  Can't wait!!!

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Btw, is it normal for owners to cover the roundel/badges with electrical tape?  What's the deal??



That seems odd as the roundel is the reason that a lot of people buy them.   Headscratch  Congrats, Sarchi!
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« Reply #45 on: August 30, 2012, 07:09:41 AM »

(Thanks)

Yeah it's weird to me too...all I can suppose is maybe to deter thieves?

Or some embarassment over the Nazi connection.
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« Reply #46 on: August 30, 2012, 07:31:42 AM »

Tsk. Weird shit that owners do. Some of us flagrantly change the color of our roundels.

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That is the special Feminazi roundel.  
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That is the special Feminazi roundel.  


It's especially nice with my Joe Rocket sparkly mesh jacket.  Thumbsup

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That is the special Feminazi roundel.  


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« Reply #50 on: September 09, 2012, 01:50:10 PM »

took the Bike Safe NC course with the Greenville NC police yesterday (great course btw)... they've been riding the R1200RT Police bikes for a little over 3 yrs now and love them. we spent time observing how well they can handle those beemers on the road, in tight dangerous situations, off the road, jumping curves, etc. those guys log a lot of hrs and are very tight. they all said they absolutely never want to go back to the old Police Harleys.

congrats, beautiful bike. I owned a 1984 R100 for a few years and loved it.... i may go that way again myself one day?!
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« Reply #51 on: September 09, 2012, 03:52:26 PM »

Thanks.  I put 800 miles on it over the weekend and was able to hit all of my favorite roads and some new ones.  The bike is amazing nimble.  And, given the neutral seated position, gravel didn't phase me one bit.

Breaking it in is fun.  This is the first bike I've owned which break-in requires taking it up to the rev limiter.   Bigok  It now has 1,800 miles on it and I've owned it less than a month.  It's had one oil change (at 900 miles) and it's "used" nearly one full quart of oil (outside of the oil change).  Compared to others, this one is using less oil.  I must be breaking it in correctly.   Bigsmile
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« Reply #52 on: September 22, 2012, 09:43:25 AM »

After multiple bikes including gen1 FZ1 set up for sport touring (made naked and wind management solved with handlebar mount windshield, and Givi trunk and bags)...

... my 1800 Goldwing was great for 2 up till my wife began riding her own, the weight and girth killed me but the wind protection and comfort set me up to be disappointed with less protection and comfort for touring (we did a 2500 mile trip up to Nova Scotia)

My decision after reading multiple ride reports just like Dougs has me convinced this is the bike for me. Initially the K16 was my dream bike, but after thinking about the weight and that potent 1600/6 ... I said no, I need the lighter bike with less engine. Less engine? Yes I do believe in the maxim that it's more fun to ride a slower bike fast than a faster bike slow. I still will keep my FZ1 but I'm decidedly mellowing with increasing age.
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« Reply #53 on: September 22, 2012, 10:19:20 AM »

I think it's a good choice.  I don't think that you'll want for much power since the torque spread is very nice.
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« Reply #54 on: September 22, 2012, 10:37:28 AM »

Lighter weight and no engine heat trumps 30 additional top end hp for me. I can ride with a passenger up the steepest rocky mountain passes at 80 mph in top gear at less than 1/4 throttle. The only other bike I've owned that could do that was a Valkyrie, but that got nearly 15 fewer mpg. Falconeti said it, seamless spread of useable power.
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« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2012, 06:14:12 AM »

Hi Doug (and others)...I'm resurrecting this thread after finally getting around to reading your excellent review of the R1200RT.

I'm wondering if the R1200 would be good for 2-up touring...and good for someone my size (5'11"---almost 6 feet, and 220lbs)? I know I should just go sit on one sometime...just haven't had the chance.

Your review...and me slowly but surely becoming an old fart...and also me being bored (LOL)...has got me going...



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« Reply #56 on: October 14, 2012, 02:11:27 PM »

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I feel exactly the same way about my RT.  I have been through many, many bikes looking for the right blend of comfort and performance;  FJR's, Connie's, Naked's, etc.  I am so glad I found an RT.

The only thing that worries me is the new Triumph Trophy SE.  It's basically and RT with a triple motor.  I had a Speed triple and I loved that motor.  I am afraid to test drive one!  Headscratch
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Doug,

I feel exactly the same way about my RT.  I have been through many, many bikes looking for the right blend of comfort and performance;  FJR's, Connie's, Naked's, etc.  I am so glad I found an RT.

The only thing that worries me is the new Triumph Trophy SE.  It's basically and RT with a triple motor and an extra 75-80 lbs.  I had a Speed triple and I loved that motor.  I am afraid to test drive one!  Headscratch


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« Reply #58 on: October 14, 2012, 03:57:46 PM »

Good point!  I just hope I can feel it.  I really don't want to change bikes...
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« Reply #59 on: October 14, 2012, 04:10:38 PM »

Nice write up Doug and the bike looks killer in dark blue.  Congrats.
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« Reply #60 on: November 12, 2012, 05:32:55 AM »

I attempted to follow Servicerifle yesterday on a 300 mile day which was made up of a lot of his favorite twisty roads located SE of the BRP in SW Virginia (Rt. 40, Rt. 8, Squirrel Gap, Willis Gap, Orchard Gap, Flower Gap, and Lambsburg).  He was on his nicely modified WR250R in tard mode.  Good night can he make that bike fly in the twisties.  Beerchug

The RT did a respectable job in keeping up and I felt really confident on it.  While no hard bits touched down, I felt very comfortable getting it way over on the elephants of the Metzlers and couldn’t believe how flickable the big bike was in quick transition sections.  

Climbing Lambsburg, I spun up the rear wheel coming out of a corner and it was VERY controllable.  I also wheelied the darn thing on the same road (not meaning to).  Granted, this is a very tight road with switchbacks and the spin up and wheelie happened in 2nd gear at around 5-6k RPM.  It wasn't too hooligan.   Lol

The beauty of it all is I didn't need to work the bike hard to do any of this.  The 1200 boxer is perfectly happy between 4.5k and 6k RPM and the torque in that range is amazing (note tire spin and front wheel lift).

On the longest section of the BRP yesterday (~28 miles), I passed two RTs followed by a GS doing the speed limit.  I hit 90 MPH gettign by the three.  Damn RT riders can give this bike a bad rap.  Lol

This was the most aggressive I’ve ridden this bike and I still can’t believe how comfortable I felt.  There wasn’t one time I felt that I was near the bike’s limits and I have no desire to push it anymore than I did yesterday (above my skill and comfort area for the street).  I highly doubt she’ll have another day like yesterday as the likelihood of trying to chase down a tard with a very good rider on uber twisty roads is very low.  But, it’s nice to know what she can do.  Bigok
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« Reply #61 on: November 12, 2012, 05:37:33 AM »

Luggage on or off?

Around here there aren't roads close enough where I think it'd make any difference....just curious.
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« Reply #62 on: November 12, 2012, 06:23:25 AM »

Luggage on.  

I keep the luggage on because I carry some limited tools, tire pump / repair, and it gives me the perfect place to store layered clothing.
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« Reply #63 on: November 12, 2012, 06:37:15 AM »


I attempted to follow Servicerifle yesterday on a 300 mile day which was made up of a lot of his favorite twisty roads located SE of the BRP in SW Virginia (Rt. 40, Rt. 8, Squirrel Gap, Willis Gap, Orchard Gap, Flower Gap, and Lambsburg).  He was on his nicely modified WR250R in tard mode.  Good night can he make that bike fly in the twisties.  Beerchug

The RT did a respectable job in keeping up and I felt really confident on it.  While no hard bits touched down, I felt very comfortable getting it way over on the elephants of the Metzlers and couldn’t believe how flickable the big bike was in quick transition sections.  

Climbing Lambsburg, I spun up the rear wheel coming out of a corner and it was VERY controllable.  I also wheelied the darn thing on the same road (not meaning to).  Granted, this is a very tight road with switchbacks and the spin up and wheelie happened in 2nd gear at around 5-6k RPM.  It wasn't too hooligan.   Lol

The beauty of it all is I didn't need to work the bike hard to do any of this.  The 1200 boxer is perfectly happy between 4.5k and 6k RPM and the torque in that range is amazing (note tire spin and front wheel lift).

On the longest section of the BRP yesterday (~28 miles), I passed two RTs followed by a GS doing the speed limit.  I hit 90 MPH gettign by the three.  Damn RT riders can give this bike a bad rap.  Lol

This was the most aggressive I’ve ridden this bike and I still can’t believe how comfortable I felt.  There wasn’t one time I felt that I was near the bike’s limits and I have no desire to push it anymore than I did yesterday (above my skill and comfort area for the street).  I highly doubt she’ll have another day like yesterday as the likelihood of trying to chase down a tard with a very good rider on uber twisty roads is very low.  But, it’s nice to know what she can do.  Bigok



Yup. She's a skinny girl in a hoop skirt.  Bigsmile And most RT riders don't ride the crap out of the bike.

Pretty soon you are going need stickier tires and suspension mods.... couch
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« Reply #64 on: November 12, 2012, 06:07:07 PM »

Hold on...you left out the part about finally getting to the Starbucks to have your Pumpkin Latte  Bigsmile
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« Reply #65 on: November 12, 2012, 07:20:30 PM »

 Lol
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« Reply #66 on: November 13, 2012, 12:10:55 AM »


Hold on...you left out the part about finally getting to the Starbucks to have your Pumpkin Latte  Bigsmile

Oh, come on, it's not Ed we're talking about here.  Wink
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« Reply #67 on: November 13, 2012, 10:43:15 AM »

Fucking squids.  Bigok Lol


Nice to hear about the RT's performance from a real world rider.


How's that oil usage issue doing on your bike Doug?
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« Reply #68 on: November 13, 2012, 12:24:47 PM »



How's that oil usage issue doing on your bike Doug?


I'm currently at 3,500 miles and the oil usage is getting MUCH better.  After my first 1K miles, I nearly needed a quart!  Now, the bike is using about 1/3 a quart every 1K miles and the usage keeps getting less and less.

Of course, had the dealer not told me that I should really flog the bike during break in, I suspect it wouldn't be improving.  The 300 mile ride last weekend is ideal breaking for the bike.  The RPMs were between 4 and 6 K for most of the day, I was up and down mountains, and I made sure to take it up to redline a few times (which is per the break-in instructions in the owner's manual).
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« Reply #69 on: November 13, 2012, 04:18:39 PM »




I'm currently at 3,500 miles and the oil usage is getting MUCH better.  After my first 1K miles, I nearly needed a quart!  Now, the bike is using about 1/3 a quart every 1K miles and the usage keeps getting less and less.

Of course, had the dealer not told me that I should really flog the bike during break in, I suspect it wouldn't be improving.  The 300 mile ride last weekend is ideal breaking for the bike.  The RPMs were between 4 and 6 K for most of the day, I was up and down mountains, and I made sure to take it up to redline a few times (which is per the break-in instructions in the owner's manual).


 Yup the key to break-in especially on an air cooled engine is to never keep steady throttle. You want to keep as much pressure as possible on the rings so they seat well.
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« Reply #70 on: November 20, 2012, 04:10:34 PM »

I've owned over 30 motorcycles over the years.  A 2012 RT is my latest purchase.  I'd like to think that I'm learning something and making better choices, so I say that this is the best one I've ever owned.
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« Reply #71 on: November 25, 2012, 08:25:38 PM »




Yup. She's a skinny girl in a hoop skirt.  Bigsmile And most RT riders don't ride the crap out of the bike.

Pretty soon you are going need stickier tires and suspension mods.... couch


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