CB1100 Here and more.

[gritsngravy]

New Honda's are here.  

[Stripes]

Where?

[Mr.Black]

And not one picture was posted that day.

[Scratch33]

http://powersports.honda.com/

Meh I mean, WHEEEEE!!!

[Rincewind]

Holy crap!  They sure updated - this CB1000, (3) new 500cc models including a "X" model, and a new Goldwing cruiser.  

Here is the CB1000.  Looks like we may get an ABS option, too - http://powersports.honda.com/2013/cb1100.aspx

[Mr.Black]

I like this one.

[Scratch33]

I like this one.

Certainly priced right.

[falconati]

Same - did anybody see those 500cc offerings coming?  

[coucours grad]

I'll take mine in ABS....


   Now I gotta go clean out the garage again!

[Rincewind]

CB1000 will be $9,999, per MD.

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/11/finally-coming-to-america-2013-honda-cb1100-priced-at-9999/

Also linked, MD's feature on the 500's -

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2012/11/cbr500r-leads-charge-as-honda-announces-three-new-500s/

My favorite is the new CB500X.  Nice job, Honda. 

[miles]

That's the prettiest Honda in a very long time.

[james_g]

That's the prettiest Honda in a very long time.

But who's going to buy one? The naked market is all but non-existent here in the U.S. for non-cruiser bikes. Kawasaki tried this already and they sold like 10 of the things. Don't get me wrong, I think they will sell twice of many of these than they do of that GoldWing bagger. Which means 10 vs 5.

james

[TBone]

I've been thinking of downsizing for a while now. These 500s are going to get serious consideration.  

[gritsngravy]

Same - did anybody see those 500cc offerings coming?  

There were some spy shots circulating on the web and I figured the US would get maybe one variant but all 3 models........ never in a million years.   Makes sense, everyone has had to add 'value' to their products these days to get sales.   Those 500's are priced right and look great.  

[nevinfs327]

That's the prettiest Honda in a very long time.

+1

Finally a reason to go to a Honda showroom.

[Stripes]

I want to buy one.

[Kraz]

CB500F for $5,500.    ABS for only 500 more.  

I like the X better - not that I'll buy one - but still - what a lineup!  I'm wondering what the HP will be as compared to the 700X... and the PRICE.  It's 40 lbs lighter than the 700...

That 1100 looks pretty good too!  Can't say I'm looking for a naked bike though.  Especially with a 5-speed and less than 4 gallons in the tank...

[TBone]

According to hellforleather, the 500s make 47 hp/31 lb-ft.

[Max Wedge]

Can't wait to hear how The Pace spins this news.  

[staedtler]

 

[JReazor]

Can't wait to hear how The Pace spins this news.  

We just recorded that episode. It'll be up tonight.  

[R Doug]

That's the prettiest Honda in a very long time.

I agree. But, the darn tank is too small.

[miles]

I agree. But, the darn tank is too small.

At 3.9 gallons, it should get 150 miles out of a tank with no problem, more if you're easy on the throttle.

[HipGnosis]

CB500F for $5,500.    ABS for only 500 more.  

I think they've made the 'just about perfect' beginner bike.
And a really good 2nd / commuter bike as long as your commute doesn't include highway.

[JReazor]

At 3.9 gallons, it should get 150 miles out of a tank with no problem, more if you're easy on the throttle.

We got a comment on The Pace's blog indicating that fuel economy is in the 70 mpg range. If that's for real, 3.9 gallons is plenty.

[R Doug]

We got a comment on The Pace's blog indicating that fuel economy is in the 70 mpg range. If that's for real, 3.9 gallons is plenty.

210 miles before reserve!?  Heck yea, that'll work.

A 150 mile range is difficult sometimes in rural Appalachia.  A 210 mile range BEFORE reserves is excellent.

[Hickey]

6 liters per 100 km = 39 mpg us

That's about a 150 mile range. According to this Aussie test:

http://www.mcnews.com.au/Testing/Honda/2010_CB1100/Review.htm

[2RR2NV]

meh....  still waiting on the VFR1000RR      

[Redfox]

hmm....
Red works looks great
I'll have mine with the optional luggage carrier
Anyone know where I can get a plastic milk crate?

[coho]

 I think they've made the 'just about perfect' beginner bike.
And a really good 2nd / commuter bike as long as your commute doesn't include highway.

[Grainbelt]

 I think they've made the 'just about perfect' beginner bike.
And a really good 2nd / commuter bike as long as your commute doesn't include highway.

Non-Euro markets supposedly get 54hp. The earlier 47hp figures match the new Euro tiered licensing. Regardless, it'll be plenty to hit the ton if you want to (specs out pretty much identical to my old GS500).

I guess your highway comment refers to the lack of fairing? The CBR500R is the faired model, an extra $500.

[JReazor]

 

I was wondering the same thing. The 500 should be just fine on the slab.

[HipGnosis]

I guess your highway comment refers to the lack of fairing? The CBR500R is the faired model, an extra $500.

Yes, I was refering to the lack of wind/weather protection.  Highway = wind, and for me, commuting means dealing with variable weather.  
The R comes with a fairing, but also clip-ons.  I think they're a pain in stop and go traffic (and I'm to old for that).

[Justin]

Is the Honda I used to love back??  

Seriously, they actually released some pretty cool stuff this year.

[bluepoof]

I'm so excited to see/sit on the 500s.  

[napper]

That's the prettiest Honda in a very long time.

Why is it all I can think of when I see that pic is the bike on Craigslist in 10 or 15 years without the side cover?  (Don't know if it's still actually a battery cover.)

[Scratch33]

Is the Honda I used to love back??  

Seriously, they actually released some pretty cool stuff this year.

And not one of 'em a cruiser.

[Kraz]

We got a comment on The Pace's blog indicating that fuel economy is in the 70 mpg range. If that's for real, 3.9 gallons is plenty.

 

70mpg for the 500's maybe - certainly not for the 1100...

[Silverbird]

Is that new Goldwing thing an attempt to compete with the K1600? If so that's pretty sad...

[coho]

Is that new Goldwing thing an attempt to compete with the K1600? If so that's pretty sad...

Looks a lot more like it's going after the Victory Cross Country to me.

[OldBob]

I'm pretty interested in the CB1100. Almost three years ago I contacted American Honda and was told that they did not intend to import it. Circumstances must have changed. I have to wonder if anyone younger than 40 will want one. Let's hope there are enough old codgers wanting to relive the 70s.

Although I really like my BMW, it may get traded for a CB1100.

Bob

[1KPerDay]

Is that new Goldwing thing an attempt to compete with the K1600? If so that's pretty sad...

The current full-feature Goldwing already competes with the K1600. The new one is an attempt to woo Victory/Harley buyers. I don't hate the red one. Just put the topcase back on.

[Silverbird]

Competes and fails  

[2RR2NV]

sorry, but that new GW is rectal ugly. not into the crusier custom wannabe crowd.

[JReazor]

 

70mpg for the 500's maybe - certainly not for the 1100...

Yeah, we got some clarification on that. Apparently the site that reported that number also claimed that the 1100 is a thumper. Credibility gone.

[JIMLARCH]

The time for sporty 500's is here.  But that CB1100 will never sell in any great quantities.  For a couple of grand you can get a really decent 1981-82 CB900f which will do everything the CB1100 can.  I might have been interested if they had put some 17" wheels on it, with performance brakes.

[gritsngravy]

The time for sporty 500's is here.  But that CB1100 will never sell in any great quantities.  For a couple of grand you can get a really decent 1981-82 CB900f which will do everything the CB1100 can.  I might have been interested if they had put some 17" wheels on it, with performance brakes.

Honda clearly knows they aren't gonna sell the CB1100 like it's 1969 all over again......the CB1100 is not a freshly minted new model, it has been around for a small bit, it just hasn't reached the U.S. until now.   I think it would make a great daily ride because it is just a nice simple motorcycle without all the drama queen hype of the latest and greatest go fast machine.   Those looking for that type of simplicity from Honda finally have a machine just for them.   Honda's other standard liter bike, the CB1000R is available for 2013 and covers the performance angle.  

I've looked around at used cb750/900/1100F's from the 80's for years.   Lot of crap out there and frankly I'm over it.  I've seen to many crispy wiring harnesses, mice infested, rusted out 30+ year old pieces o'crap to last a life time.    

I'm not in the market to buy a CB1100 but if they had brought the CB1300 over (which in my mind is more of a modern interpretation of the to old CB "f" series fours) I would be very tempted.    

[staedtler]

finally!... VFR in black  

[R Doug]

If that thing had slightly larger luggage and a bigger tank, I would have taken a real serious look at it.  

[birdrunner]

Is the Honda I used to love back??  

Seriously, they actually released some pretty cool stuff this year.

Somewhere, a couple years back, I'd read that the cool engineers that got transferred to the auto division years ago had been returned and to expect cool bikes again from Honda.

Maybe the rumours were true.

 

[DosEquis00]

finally!... VFR in black  

After riding one I have become a huge fan of the 1200.  

[Blunder]

6 liters per 100 km = 39 mpg us

That's about a 150 mile range. According to this Aussie test:

http://www.mcnews.com.au/Testing/Honda/2010_CB1100/Review.htm

That's with an enthusiastic Aussie test rider aboard. He also reported never getting better than 185kM (115 mi) out of it before the red light came on. And what's with the 12K kM (7,500 mi) valve check? Shouldn't a bike like this be better served with hydraulic lifters?

I like the 500s. I might even look at one, but otherwise I think Honda is barking up the wrong marketing tree. Again.

[spinalator]

Interesting line up, I was not expecting this from Honda.

[R Doug]

 

[Mr.Black]

 

Damn. That is sweet.

[JIMLARCH]

 

I've looked around at used cb750/900/1100F's from the 80's for years.   Lot of crap out there and frankly I'm over it.  I've seen to many crispy wiring harnesses, mice infested, rusted out 30+ year old pieces o'crap to last a life time.    

I'm not in the market to buy a CB1100 but if they had brought the CB1300 over (which in my mind is more of a modern interpretation of the to old CB "f" series fours) I would be very tempted.    

There are still quite a few CB900F's out there which are well maintained and in excellent condition.  You just have to look.  www.cb1100f.net is a site which will prove my words.

In regards to the CB1300.  If they bought that bike to Canada I would definately sell all my bikes and buy it.  A modern version of my CB900F which I have had for 25 years.

[Baz]

I've looked around at used cb750/900/1100F's from the 80's for years.   Lot of crap out there and frankly I'm over it.  I've seen to many crispy wiring harnesses, mice infested, rusted out 30+ year old pieces o'crap to last a life time.    
   

From my own personal experiance, the only people who really appreciate old motorcycles are the ones looking at them, and not having to tinker with them on a daily basis.

Sure that retro looking 1100 looks ok, but a liter bike brings twice the joy.

[kendenton]

In regards to the CB1300.  If they bought that bike to Canada I would definately sell all my bikes and buy it.  A modern version of my CB900F which I have had for 25 years.

I agree, that CB1300 is stunning.  I could put aside my apathy for in-line 4' for it.

[HipGnosis]

Honda managed to get the CBR500R, parallel twin budget bike to be the weapon of choice in the European Junior Cup — displacing the KTM 690 Duke.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/honda-cbr500r-race-bike/

This means there will be race parts!!

[JReazor]

Honda managed to get the CBR500R, parallel twin budget bike to be the weapon of choice in the European Junior Cup — displacing the KTM 690 Duke.

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/honda-cbr500r-race-bike/

This means there will be race parts!!

And. I'd wager that many of those parts will fit the other 2 CB500s as well.

[sammyseaman]

I agree, that CB1300 is stunning.  I could put aside my apathy for in-line 4' for it.

This ^^^^

[JIMLARCH]

From my own personal experiance, the only people who really appreciate old motorcycles are the ones looking at them, and not having to tinker with them on a daily basis.

Sure that retro looking 1100 looks ok, but a liter bike brings twice the joy.

Depends what you mean about tinker with them all day.  My 1982 Honda is stock with a pipe and jet kit.  I change the oil and filter every 2 k.  Check the valves every 6 k.  That's about it, apart from adjusting the chain infrequently.  Hardly a lot of maintenance.

A liter bikes brings twice the joy?  Sure it does, when I take my GSXR1000 to Deals Gap once a year.  The rest of the time it sits in my garage, waiting for the next trip.  Totally impractical as an everyday ride in a province where we have few twisty roads, and over zealous police operating radar.

[oldenslow]

I agree, that CB1300 is stunning.  I could put aside my apathy for in-line 4' for it.

Yessssss!!!  Even without a fairing I'd be in the market for one.  The CB1100 seems nice...... nice enough to not sell.   Just a bit too retro, right down to the tires.

[Hickey]

I found a downloadable owners manual for the CB1100 and looked through it.

Valve inspection is every 8000 miles
The tank is 3.86 US gallons including the reserve
Front and rear suspensions have adjustable preload
Clutch and brake levers are adjustable for span
There is a helmet lock that uses the ignition key
That lock also pops the seat off
There is a tool kit under the seat
The battery is under the tool kit, under the front of the seat
The alternator output total is 336, so not many extra watts

http://www.pdfasal.com/auto/2010-honda-cb1100a-owners-manual-2.html

[Carbonero]

New Honda's are here.  

New Honda's what?

[Carbonero]

Is that new Goldwing thing an attempt to compete with the K1600? If so that's pretty sad...

  No.

Streetglide, folks. Streetglide.

[Carbonero]

I found a downloadable owners manual for the CB1100 and looked through it.

Valve inspection is every 8000 miles
The tank is 3.86 US gallons including the reserve
Front and rear suspensions have adjustable preload
Clutch and brake levers are adjustable for span
There is a helmet lock that uses the ignition key
That lock also pops the seat off
There is a tool kit under the seat
The battery is under the tool kit, under the front of the seat
The alternator output total is 336, so not many extra watts

http://www.pdfasal.com/auto/2010-honda-cb1100a-owners-manual-2.html

Sounds VERY much like a pulled-forward 70s machine in design.

[Rincewind]

Yikes - 8000 mile valve checks and a sub 4-gallon tank.    

At least with a Monster, when you have similar short valve checks and fuel range, you get a bike weighing 170lb less than this retro Honda.  The Monster would probably get better fuel mileage, too.

[Hickey]

Yikes - 8000 mile valve checks and a sub 4-gallon tank.    

At least with a Monster, when you have similar short valve checks and fuel range, you get a bike weighing 170lb less than this retro Honda.  The Monster would probably get better fuel mileage, too.

I don't know about the current Monsters, but I had a Monster 1000 with the 992cc dual spark air cooled motor a few years ago and it pretty consistently returned 39 mpg. So at 100 miles I was looking for gas and at 140 miles it would have been empty. I never saw anything close to the upper 40s mpg on that bike, though a couple of trackdays saw low 20s mpg.  

It was a nice bike and I liked it a lot. It was the first bike I ever did any touring on. The tiny gas tank and lack of a fuel gauge were really the only things that bothered me about traveling with it back then, though I don't think I'd chose one for that now.

[gritsngravy]

New Honda's what?

Are you blind or just obtuse?

[Baz]

Depends what you mean about tinker with them all day.  My 1982 Honda is stock with a pipe and jet kit.  I change the oil and filter every 2 k.  Check the valves every 6 k.  That's about it, apart from adjusting the chain infrequently.  Hardly a lot of maintenance.

A liter bikes brings twice the joy?  Sure it does, when I take my GSXR1000 to Deals Gap once a year.  The rest of the time it sits in my garage, waiting for the next trip.  Totally impractical as an everyday ride in a province where we have few twisty roads, and over zealous police operating radar.

I would agree with you on the liter bike. I do not ride in town anymore, I am getting old, so a liter bike means about a half hour of fun until I cramp up.  

You are lucky in the fact that your Honda is reliable. My last museum piece was a 1982 VF 750 and well lets just say it let me down somewhat. Going further back I had a brief love affair with British bikes, and well lets just say that BSA convinced me to quit riding for a while when the push time climbed above seat time.  That bike gave me several hair line ankle fracture from trying to start it. (Mr. Lucas, is one cruel man). When I go to bike shows now and see all the old BSA's & Norton's there, the arthritis that has formed in my ankle thanks to hairline fractures reminds me to never, ever ride old again.  

[coucours grad]

I'm Interested...



   the wife doesnt share my love for the road on 2 wheels...



   But in the 2 seater car with a trunk she'll go 12 hours a day.....



    So my bike touring will be 1 up and I travel light.


     And this ST1300 aint no fun around town.


   I can see a set of soft bags and a backpack....I can see alot of 2 laners appearing in the rear views....


   I might trade the ST in on one...Unless I can talk her into driving an 1100 and then I might try to trade rides with her in trips!



     One can dream cant they????????

[Carbonero]

Are you blind or just obtuse?

You said new Honda's. That's possessive. New Honda's what? New Honda's bikes? Ok. That makes more sense. New Honda's offerings? Ok, good. Well, except for those both implying that Honda is new, rather than what Honda is releasing being new.

But new Honda's...? No, that's an incomplete sentence.

If you meant plural, it would be "new Hondas".

The one and only time you pluralize with an apostrophe is when pluralizing small letters. Like... "There are two e's in letters." A better way to say it is "There are two Es in letters." That removes the confusion, and the temptation to perpetuate bad habits.

So, I'm neither blind nor obtuse. I just have a solid understanding of my native language and I remember the things taught to me in grade school. I'm also very sick of hearing the stupid "yeah, but I knew what he was saying" excuse for poor grammar and usage.

I get that English - especially American English - has lots of weird rules, and many contradictions to those rules. Most of the other languages in the world have more and better structure. But hey, this is what we have, so let's just try to do the best with it that we can.

[Carbonero]

I'm Interested...



   the wife doesnt share my love for the road on 2 wheels...



   But in the 2 seater car with a trunk she'll go 12 hours a day.....



    So my bike touring will be 1 up and I travel light.


     And this ST1300 aint no fun around town.


   I can see a set of soft bags and a backpack....I can see alot of 2 laners appearing in the rear views....


   I might trade the ST in on one...Unless I can talk her into driving an 1100 and then I might try to trade rides with her in trips!



     One can dream cant they????????

I don't ride 2-up much any more now that Liz rides her VFR and has the long-distance itch (and the bike to scratch it). My kids are getting old enough that if they want to ride, we can look at getting them licenses and bikes. My 10 year old will be fine on the SV. So yeah, I agree, I don't see much need for a big bike any more. When it's time to retire the SV, something like the new 500-X will definitely be on the short list.  

[Rammer]

You said new Honda's. That's possessive. New Honda's what? New Honda's bikes? Ok. That makes more sense. New Honda's offerings? Ok, good. Well, except for those both implying that Honda is new, rather than what Honda is releasing being new.

But new Honda's...? No, that's an incomplete sentence.

If you meant plural, it would be "new Hondas".

The one and only time you pluralize with an apostrophe is when pluralizing small letters. Like... "There are two e's in letters." A better way to say it is "There are two Es in letters." That removes the confusion, and the temptation to perpetuate bad habits.

So, I'm neither blind nor obtuse. I just have a solid understanding of my native language and I remember the things taught to me in grade school. I'm also very sick of hearing the stupid "yeah, but I knew what he was saying" excuse for poor grammar and usage.

I get that English - especially American English - has lots of weird rules, and many contradictions to those rules. Most of the other languages in the world have more and better structure. But hey, this is what we have, so let's just try to do the best with it that we can.

    The grammar on this forum is nowhere near as bad as it is on a few others. I belong to a motorcycle camping forum, and you would think that no one on the forum finished the 6th grade.  I don't think anyone over there has herd of spell check either. It's full of more than just typos, and the typical miss use of there, their and they're, or even, to, too, and two...  

[TBone]

    The grammar on this forum is nowhere near as bad as it is on a few others.

We have a few dedicated Grammar Nazis. It keeps the place cleaner than most.

 

[Carbonero]

I just have a hard time with illiteracy. It's basic 3rd grade stuff.

[Mr.Black]

Holy who the fuck care's, oh supreme one!??!

[Max Wedge]

I don't know Miss Use. But I will misuse her.    Must be related to Miss Adventure.  

[Carbonero]

Holy who the fuck care's, oh supreme one!??!

I blame you for making me be nice on Facebook.  

[Rincewind]

My local Honda shop has gotten one in, the non-ABS version.  The guy I know there said he was pretty impressed with the power and thinks it could handle semi-aggressive riding.  The open air channels in the top of the engine and simple air-cool design make it look like maintenance would be pretty straight forward.  The valve check period of 8k miles is not that long.  It's interesting that they had changed the timing of the intake on two cylinders to give it a less smooth ride.  The late Kevin Ash has a good write up on it.

I think it would make for a fun bike, maybe with lower bars for a modern cafe style.  It doesn't feel "overweight" at all when sitting on it.  I wasn't crazy about the over-abundance of chrome - like the entire front fender.  Having recently tested a Guzzi Griso, this Honda seems a natural competitor.  $9,999 is a really good price from Honda for this much bike.  3.9 gallons isn't much from the gas tank, but that's around what a Monster has available, too.  Availability of ABS is a plus.

[gritsngravy]

You said new Honda's. That's possessive. New Honda's what? New Honda's bikes? Ok. That makes more sense. New Honda's offerings? Ok, good. Well, except for those both implying that Honda is new, rather than what Honda is releasing being new.

But new Honda's...? No, that's an incomplete sentence.

If you meant plural, it would be "new Hondas".

The one and only time you pluralize with an apostrophe is when pluralizing small letters. Like... "There are two e's in letters." A better way to say it is "There are two Es in letters." That removes the confusion, and the temptation to perpetuate bad habits.

So, I'm neither blind nor obtuse. I just have a solid understanding of my native language and I remember the things taught to me in grade school. I'm also very sick of hearing the stupid "yeah, but I knew what he was saying" excuse for poor grammar and usage.

I get that English - especially American English - has lots of weird rules, and many contradictions to those rules. Most of the other languages in the world have more and better structure. But hey, this is what we have, so let's just try to do the best with it that we can.

Ok you are not blind because you did read the post.   You are obtuse because I didn't "say" anything as you assert.  I wrote my thoughts down like everyone else.   Now don't go trying the old "but I meant to say" routine.     That would be unbecoming of one so anal.

[DosEquis00]

Thanks for the update Alex as I was impressed with the CB when I was at the motorcycle show in NYC. Now I am going to have to work in a test ride with my local dealer.  

[1KPerDay]

Handsome bike.  

[nevinfs327]

Happened by a Honda dealer during a ride on Saturday and stopped to check out the new models.  They were sold out of the 500s, which my wife is interested in.  

They did have a CB1100.  First time I saw one in person and thought it looked really nice with high quality finishes.  Seat is low and narrow and it felt much smaller and lighter than I expected it would.  The bars were on the high side, but that would be an easy fix.  Ground clearance looked adequate for my riding style most of the time.

It reminded me most of the Triumph Bonneville, though obviously more powerful with the larger engine (but less gap in power between the Honda and Bonnie than V7 and Bonnie, I believe).  I liked the ABS option, which this model had, and think the 1100 would likely make for a better 2-up riding experience.  

I need to find a dealer that does test rides, or an event where one will be available to demo, though I don't see having two retro bike in CA, and don't want to sell the Moto Guzzi.  

[NuckaMan]

I really like this bike.

Looks like a bike one could keep forever.

[emerald94]

Tried one on a Honda Demo Day.
Kind of "meh".
As a second bike just to putter around, it would be great but not as my sole bike. Too "sanitized" for its own good.
Quite the looker though.

[atadaskew]

Tried one on a Honda Demo Day.
Kind of "meh".
As a second bike just to putter around, it would be great but not as my sole bike. Too "sanitized" for its own good.
Quite the looker though.

What were your expectations?