2013 Ducatis

[Rincewind]

A new 110hp, 820cc liquid-cooled Hypermotard replaces both the 1100 and 796 previous versions.  There is also a new Hyper Strada touring-oriented model, and a Diavel Strada touring oriented model...  I'm not sure if the Hyper Strada is coming here or not.

http://www.ducati.com/

[Rincewind]

For those who have moaned about a ST4 replacement - Ducati has heard your pleas with the Diavel Strada!  




The Hyper Strada is not showing on the US website, so maybe we are not getting that one...



$11,995 for the new Hyper, per A&R - link.  

This intro is coming on the heels of the MV Agusta Rivale reveal, which claims 20hp more than this revised 820 HM.

[Rincewind]

From the press release on the new Hyper - major service intervals are now 18,641 miles!  Are we sure this thing is a Ducati?:

A milestone 30,000km between major services
The 821cc Testastretta 11° engine reaches another milestone in Ducati’s constant investment in quality byenabling the distance between major service intervals (valve clearance check) to be set at an owner-friendly30,000 kilometres (18,641 miles)

....also a larger fuel tank:


A totally revised fuel tank has increased capacity by 4.6 litre (0.9 US gal) to 16 litres (4.2 US gal), improvingthe overall autonomy of the Hypermotard while maintaining its thin waistline and compact silhouette.

[expatbrit]

I'd heard the Hyperstrada was definitely coming here. it's also on the US WWW site now:

http://www.ducati.com/bikes/hypermotard/hyperstrada/index.do

[bungie4]

The Strada made me paint the inside of my pants. Want.

[Rincewind]

I'd heard the Hyperstrada was definitely coming here. it's also on the US WWW site now:

http://www.ducati.com/bikes/hypermotard/hyperstrada/index.do

That is the international site that you linked, not the US site.

Still, if it doesn't come here, maybe it will be possible to get those bags and have a similar set-up.

[expatbrit]

Well... motorcycle.com even has a USD price

http://blog.motorcycle.com/2012/11/12/manufacturers/ducati/eicma-2012-new-ducati-hyperstrada-a-cross-between-hypermotard-and-multistrada/

$13,295.

ABS, TC, electronic motor, and 450 lbs wet.

[Rincewind]

Cool, thanks!  It's up on the Duc-USA site now, too, just like you said.  

There is even a center stand - oh boy!  I'm intrigued by this Hyperstrada.  

[Dave the slave]

Ducati may have just built my first Ducati.  I think I buy in to the Hyper-strada concept.  Light weight full on playbike, with just  a dash of commuter sensibility and a pinch of touring.  Sounds like a tasty recipe to me

[expatbrit]

Ducati may have just built my first Ducati.  I think I buy in to the Hyper-strada concept.  Light weight full on playbike, with just  a dash of commuter sensibility and a pinch of touring.  Sounds like a tasty recipe to me

It's Heather's dream bike; Ducati Bellevue was building something like this, but I think the Hyperstrada really hits the nail on the head. I can't tell if that's hard, locking luggage on the thing from the pictures (I /think/ so, though).

Definitely an interesting bike. More than enough power, a modicum of sensibility (as you say) on the valve checks, decent luggage options, light enough to be truly fun. I'm not sure it's enough to make me ditch the Mutley, but I said '50lbs lighter and about 120 hp would be perfect' and they've nailed that. I can't wait to see the demo at PJ's Triumph, let me tell you.

[Lawn Dart]

Oh wow.  That's going to be a winner.  

(*the Hyperstrada that is).

[R Doug]

WANT  




Oh yea, a new Ducati dealer just opened less than 20 min. from my house.  

[Rincewind]

  What a great bike.  

RE: the bags - they look very similar to the new Givi TPH10 Easylock and similar soft bags that operate sort of like hard bags.

http://www.giviusa.com/soft-luggages/Saddle-bags/TPH10-EASYLOCK

[expatbrit]

  What a great bike.  

RE: the bags - they look very similar to the new Givi TPH10 Easylock and similar soft bags that operate sort of like hard bags.

http://www.giviusa.com/soft-luggages/Saddle-bags/TPH10-EASYLOCK

Actually, I think they're the bags off the Mutleystrada. In the video, they look really similar.

[R Doug]

It's like a better KTM SM-R.  I really like what they did with this.

[Rincewind]

Actually, I think they're the bags off the Mutleystrada. In the video, they look really similar.

I see zippers in the first pic above.

[james_g]

They will sell like 50 of the Hyperstrada. The concept makes sense but we don't have much of a commuter market here and people who do buy commuter bikes aren't going to buy a Ducati because it's on the opposite end of the practical spectrum. Traditional Ducati types aren't going to buy it because it's got bags and isn't as sexy as the Monster. I don't see why they aren't putting the 848 motor into the Monster and making a new S4R.

james

[expatbrit]

I see zippers in the first pic above.

You're right. I looked again.

[expatbrit]

They will sell like 50 of the Hyperstrada. The concept makes sense but we don't have much of a commuter market here and people who do buy commuter bikes aren't going to buy a Ducati because it's on the opposite end of the practical spectrum. Traditional Ducati types aren't going to buy it because it's got bags and isn't as sexy as the Monster. I don't see why they aren't putting the 848 motor into the Monster and making a new S4R.

james

I think it'll sell, and sell well. The Multi, at 50% more, is Ducati's best selling bike. Cheaper, with bags, and more than enough power while still pandering to the current trend for Adventure bikes as well as a Ducati? Seems like a winner to me.

[Roadscum]

No adjustments on the front legs, yet another cheeeeeeep piece of sh$t suspenion from Ducati.  
We deserve better!

Regards, Paul

[miles]

Seriously?  Nostrils?  WTF, Ducati?

[Stripes]

Yeah I'll pass.

[falconati]

Wow  

Watch the Diavel Strada outsell the others  

[expatbrit]

Seriously?  Nostrils?  WTF, Ducati?

They did the same on the Mutley; I don't get it there either. It's an air intake over the oil cooler and to the airbox but I don't understand why.

I still like it.

[SalsaShark]

Having recently gotten rid of a very troubled strada and currently not too thrilled w/ the tuono, I'll be keeping a very close eye on the hyperstrada... Right up my alley!

[Fudge]

I got to say the new Ducati's are very nice, if I were in the market the Hyperstrada would on the short list.

[evilted]

When deciding between keeping my '08 HM or getting the MTS1200 a couple years ago, the Multi seemed the clear winner:  larger fuel tank, ABS, DTC, liquid cooling, factory touring accessories, better pillion accommodations, and less frequent maintenance schedule (15k vs 7.5k for major service) and enough power to make up for the added mass.  The new HM closes the gap in a big way.

[Lawn Dart]

When deciding between keeping my '08 HM or getting the MTS1200 a couple years ago, the Multi seemed the clear winner:  larger fuel tank, ABS, DTC, liquid cooling, factory touring accessories, better pillion accommodations, and less frequent maintenance schedule (15k vs 7.5k for major service) and enough power to make up for the added mass.  The new HM closes the gap in a big way.

I can't help but think that Ducati just hit the Sport-touring sweetspot right on the head.  110HP, 450# wet, reasonable all-day ergo's.  Bummer they skimped on the suspension...but then again it leaves the door open to a Special Edition Tri-Colore model down the road.

[Mr Sunshine]

I can't help but think that Ducati just hit the Sport-touring sweetspot right on the head.  110HP, 450# wet, reasonable all-day ergo's.  Bummer they skimped on the suspension...but then again it leaves the door open to a Special Edition Tri-Colore model down the road.

Don't be expecting Ohlins on Ducati's for a long time.

[R Doug]

Don't be expecting Ohlins on Ducati's for a long time.

What happened?

[expatbrit]

What happened?

Well. They pulled them from the MTS1200S for 2013 and went with the Sachs semi-active.

OTOH, the new Hyper 821 S has, I believe, Ohlins rear shock however. No Ohlins forks.

Panigale R at least keeps Ohlins.

Not sure what the 'no Ohlins on Ducati's' is about??

[Mr Sunshine]

Well. They pulled them from the MTS1200S for 2013 and went with the Sachs semi-active.

OTOH, the new Hyper 821 S has, I believe, Ohlins rear shock however. No Ohlins forks.

Panigale R at least keeps Ohlins.

Not sure what the 'no Ohlins on Ducati's' is about??

The problem was that Ohlin's wouldn't make a progressive spring for the Multi.  Couple that with Sachs suspension can be made for a ton less money and you have the reason why the Multi went to the Sachs suspension.  Which just so happens to be the exact same setup as the BMW S1000RR (except longer travel).

I wouldn't count on the Panigale sticking with Ohlins as the Multi and the Panigale share the same ECU and much of the same electronics.

We'll see.

[james_g]

I think it'll sell, and sell well. The Multi, at 50% more, is Ducati's best selling bike. Cheaper, with bags, and more than enough power while still pandering to the current trend for Adventure bikes as well as a Ducati? Seems like a winner to me.

The Multi sells well because it's priced directly against the GS and at that price point you're getting a lot more power and technology. This lower price point is going against some much stiffer competition and you're getting a lot less power. Sure, adequate power works but that's not really what American's are about  

I like it and could consider one but I still stand by my thought that this is going to be a niche seller.

james

[Lawn Dart]

Sure, adequate power works but that's not really what American's are about  

Says the US Marine who bought a BMW R12S pumping out a massive 105 hp.  

Admit it James, you'd hit the fuck out of a 100HP, 300# go-cart.  We'd  all be taking up a collection to bail Miles out.  Seth would Lawyer up big time and Ken would be jailed without possibility of Parole.

The real sweetspot is power to weight.  It's light enough to blast around with and plenty of power to get in trouble with.  There is, in fact, a concept of "Too Much Power" (*Heresy not included) on the street.  There's even more concept of TMP on many of the roads (*or lack thereof) that we ride.

In the real world NEMO does just fine.  On the track it's only lacking against true sport machines.  

Ugly?  Geez, I think the MultiStrada is a sin against Italians.  Stylish yes - if you like that sort of style.  I can't quite put my finger on it - maybe it's just the overall size difference between the MultiStrada vs. the HyperMotard that is to be considered.  For whatever reason the HyperStrada looks right...and the MultiStrada looks like crap.  I mean, a 5'4" blonde bombshell can be a hot thing...a seven foot blonde bombshell sends me away running in fear.  

The Hyperstrada ticks the right boxes - I think the only question is "can it live up to the promise of what could be".  

If yes the it's going to be a great ride.

If no, it's going to get slagged mercilessly on the boards...

[james_g]

 

True, true. But I'm not necessarily representative of most of America and certainly not in my motorcycle preferences. I owned the first year Multi so I get the attraction and I think this is a nice bike.  That being said, I don't see any of the old hypers around here but do see quite a few of the new Multi's. People just like power and that seems to be a selling point. Unless of course it's a cruiser then all bets are off.

But it's going to be a niche player at best. It's a Hypermotard with bags, power outlet, and (it looks like) slightly different ergos. How many people are going to want the bags? How many people are going to just pay the extra cash and get the Multi or pay less and get something from Honda, Yamaha, etc? For $11 grand just buy the motard version and call it good.

james

[UFO]

Seriously?  Nostrils?  WTF, Ducati?

It's ram air on the Multistrada.  I think it's just for looks here (BTW, they've been on the Hypermotard for years, so I guess you get points for noticing 5 years after the fact.   )

[miles]

It's ram air on the Multistrada.  I think it's just for looks here (BTW, they've been on the Hypermotard for years, so I guess you get points for noticing 5 years after the fact.   )

No, the old Hyper had them, but small and inconspicuous.  The Multi took them to a whole new level of ugly, and now the new Hyper mimics the fugliness of the larger bike.

[Lawn Dart]

 
But it's going to be a niche player at best. It's a Hypermotard with bags, power outlet, and (it looks like) slightly different ergos. How many people are going to want the bags? How many people are going to just pay the extra cash and get the Multi or pay less and get something from Honda, Yamaha, etc? For $11 grand just buy the motard version and call it good.

james

Fair points indeed.  For me, the Hyper was in the running last year except it didn't have ABS.  That turned it into a non-starter unfortunately.

What I think is telling is that it's a Hyper with (essentially) a Touring kit.  When I found out that one could get a 6gal tank from CA Cycleworks I was almost done right there.  But no ABS...insta-kill.  

Niche market?  Yeah, you are probably right.  But how many times have gone to WCRM dreaming of having a touring bike to get there...and a street biased sportbike upon arrival?  

That's what I see is the real genius in the HyperStrada.  Tour by night, Hooligan by day.  Or something like taht.  

[Croak]

So, it's Ducati's (belated) answer to the KTM SM-T, basically?  Right down to the nylon and plastic zipper bags.  Not doing anything for me personally.

[expatbrit]

Fair points indeed.  For me, the Hyper was in the running last year except it didn't have ABS.  That turned it into a non-starter unfortunately.

What I think is telling is that it's a Hyper with (essentially) a Touring kit.  When I found out that one could get a 6gal tank from CA Cycleworks I was almost done right there.  But no ABS...insta-kill.  

Niche market?  Yeah, you are probably right.  But how many times have gone to WCRM dreaming of having a touring bike to get there...and a street biased sportbike upon arrival?  

That's what I see is the real genius in the HyperStrada.  Tour by night, Hooligan by day.  Or something like taht.  

To be honest, I'd have strongly considered this instead of the Mutley. Cheaper, lighter, and 'sufficient road power' -- it'd have made a fantastic replacement for my incredibly unreliable Katoom.

The original Hyper was ... too focused. Too small a tank and didn't want to do the conversion. I'm in the same boat as Lawn Dart -- I want a comfortable bike with luggage to get me to places where there are fun roads to ride. The Mutley was the 'right thing' in that space for me (KTM 990 SMT not-withstanding) and this fits it even better.

The only fear is the front end, but I'm heavy enough that I'd probably need to respring the bugger anyway, so there's always the RaceTech option then

[Rincewind]

So, it's Ducati's (belated) answer to the KTM SM-T, basically?  Right down to the nylon and plastic zipper bags.  Not doing anything for me personally.

Looks like they nixed the bags from the SMT as standard for 2013, so you gotta buy your own now.  It's still $13,999.  Nixing the bags did not drop the price.  

Re: MTS1200 vs Hyperstrada.  Having tested the MTS12 & Hyper 796, I would go with the Hyperstrada as my preference.  The much lower price tag would be a main incentive.  

[Smoker]

[Rincewind]

That will make a good FJR replacement for you.  

[Smoker]

That will make a good FJR replacement for you.  

I actually kinda like it. Minus the windscreen and backrest, I'd hit it.

[Nodaclu]

All I want to know is....if they're going to mix platforms and take a MultiStrada and a HyperMotard to create a HyperStrada...

....where's the MultiMotard?    

[falconati]

Has anyone here actually ridden a Diavel?  Only asking the question because I haven't.  I threw a leg over one and was absolutely shocked at how light it was.  Seemed like it would be fun to ride, but not as much of a fan of the styling.

[expatbrit]

For limited values of 'ridden' -- about 40 miles, but it was with traffic and lots of LEOs on the road.

It turned surprisingly well and was, as you said, not as heavy as it looks like it should be. Comfy enough, if not the bike for me. I didn't get any 'wow' impressions either way -- love or hate, which is somewhat damning with faint praise?

[R Doug]

Our area has a new Ducati dealer so I stopped by over the weekend during a ride.  I forgot how beautiful a room full of Ducs is.  

While I am so impressed with the Panigale, our local dealer had a new Hypermotard SP in stock.  OMG.  Me want.    For their Grand Opening, they had it listed at 12,000.  

380 lbs dry with 110 HP and gobs of  torque?  Oh hell yes.  

[viffergyrl]

Oh goody - A MiniMulti!!

Definitely peaks my interest and I'll be taking a closer look. After upgrading the VFR's suspension this past year I'm over looking for the perfect bike.   If the front suspension needs an upgrade, so be it.

PS - the seat has three settings - if it's narrow enough I might have a serious contender to lighten my wallet.  

[SalsaShark]

^^ Sat on one yesterday at the IMS in DC. Demos should be arriving in March/April. Very interested to see how this bike runs out.

[Aero]

What I can't understand is that whenever Ducati are asked why they canned the STn series or if they are going to replace it, they say that Ducati doesn't do touring bikes, yet here they are fitting touring equipment to most of their range while refusing to just fit a suitable ST type fairing and bars to the Multistrada platform to create the bike that people like me want. I DO NOT want high and wide bars on my sport-tourer!

[Croak]

I DO NOT want high and wide bars on my sport-tourer!

Try it, you might like it.  I actually find my Gen-1 Tuono to be more comfortable for all-day riding than my Sprint ST thanks to those bars, and that extra leverage is simply awesome in the twisties (and much less tiring).

[expatbrit]

What I can't understand is that whenever Ducati are asked why they canned the STn series or if they are going to replace it, they say that Ducati doesn't do touring bikes, yet here they are fitting touring equipment to most of their range while refusing to just fit a suitable ST type fairing and bars to the Multistrada platform to create the bike that people like me want. I DO NOT want high and wide bars on my sport-tourer!

I think you're in the minority, at least based on the way the manufacturers are going. More and more upright faux-adventure/adventure bikes, less and less 'sport-tourers'.

[Lawn Dart]

Try it, you might like it.  I actually find my Gen-1 Tuono to be more comfortable for all-day riding than my Sprint ST thanks to those bars, and that extra leverage is simply awesome in the twisties (and much less tiring).

There is a significant difference between the bars on my GS and the bars on my Monster.  The GS was like riding a Texas Longhorn to me.  The Monster?  (*who's bars are much wider than a VFR and taller, for instance) Juuuusst right.

I'd bet the Tuono isn't much different than the Monster whereas the Multi-Strada was like my GS:  really didn't like that position at all.