Honda's reputation for reliability is well earned.

[Bruce Bogtrotter]

Over the last 10 years, Yamaha has consistently been the brand of motorcycles with the fewest service visits.

Where are the links?

Opinions are like navels -- everyone's got one.

[Royal Tiger]

Where are the links?

Opinions are like navels -- everyone's got one.

Still haven't seen a reliable source that Hondas are better then any other bike.  Which in case anyone missed it, is the point of this whole thread.

[Bruce Bogtrotter]

Still haven't seen a reliable source that Hondas are better then any other bike.  Which in case anyone missed it, is the point of this whole thread.

http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,75227.msg1755110.html#msg1755110

Is it a peer-reviewed article in a scholarly journal? No.

Is it orders of magnitude better than unsourced opinions on a forum? Yes.

[Rogue]

You're wasting your time.  You can tell someone their house is on fire and they won't believe you if they don't want to.

[Royal Tiger]

You're wasting your time.  You can tell someone their house is on fire and they won't believe you if they don't want to.

You're so witty.  

The #1 most reliable sportbike is one that drinks oil like a 1972 Mercury.  Awesome.  No actual data, just a web poll.  Newsweek had one that said 70% of respondents are POSITIVE the CIA killed JFK. We should start issuing indictments on Monday.  

I've made my point without bashing Honda or jerking off to the Honda alter like a rabid fanboi.  They did more to modernize and make motorcycles practical.  However others have caught up and Honda has had a few well known issues.  

[Silverbird]

Kawasaki
Yamaha
Triumph
Hell my aprilia never had a single issue.

The CBR oil issues are well known.  My point is just about any new bike is sure to be of high quality these days.  He'll even Moto Guzzi has become semi main stream.  I already stated Honda did more then anyone else to make motorcycles reliable, practical vehicles.  However everyone has caught up.

You house is on fire...

[gritsngravy]

Ok it's official Honda is the worst most unreliable brand out there.   All those oil drinking CBR's, um yeah those oil drinking CBR's, VFR's blowing up after you leave the driveway, oh yeah man those VFR's suck, oh by the way did ya know those vfr's suck?   Shit man, rather walk than ride one of those damn things.  

Oh yeah then there was the Gold Wing whiners club chiming in on frame cracks, engine issues etc.   Same haters  club whined about the weight of the thing too!   Wasn't it obvious before they bought it?  

In the face of all that Honda somehow continues lure people onto their machines 'o death year after year.  

Good luck Honda, I'm sure you'll have many new riders to fool with your new models.  The EOE at ST.N know waaaay better than you how to make & market bikes, despite you being the worlds largest manufacturer.  

[birdrunner]

I'm still waiting for another manufacturer to sponsor a series, and end it with an endurance race.  Perhaps all the bikes will finish.

Sure,   ....

[Royal Tiger]

You house is on fire...

Another great Internet debater with no facts.  

[Rogue]

http://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,75227.msg1755110.html#msg1755110

Is it a peer-reviewed article in a scholarly journal? No.

Is it orders of magnitude better than unsourced opinions on a forum? Yes.

Royal Tiger, here is a better "proof" other than your opinion.  But hey, like I said once people have made up their minds it's made up.  

[Bruce Bogtrotter]

Royal Tiger, here is a better "proof" other than your opinion.  But hey, like I said once people have made up their minds it's made up.  

For the sake of argument, let's say Royal Tiger's right that there were oil burning issues with some '08 1000RRs. When you combine it with the survey that's been linked to, what that says to me is that whatever issues the '08 RRs had, it was overshadowed by greater problems on other bikes.

Would it suck to have to keep adding oil to a bike or have to get new rings? Sure.

Is it worse to be stranded on the side of the road with a more serious issue on another brand? Absolutely. That's why the 1000RR is still on the list of most reliable sport bikes.

Or, maybe it's not as big a problem as RT would have you believe.

[Royal Tiger]

What other 2008 Japanese or even other liter sportbikes had oil consumption issues or even other recorded reliability concerns?

It's comical you Honda lovers keep saying these are my opinions when I have continually asked for some actual proof other then YOUR opinion that Honda in fact made the most reliable motorcycles for the last 10 years.  Web polls are meaningless.  Where is this rock solid evidence that they are the best?  Being skeptical of fanboi rants and opinions doesn't mean I'm the one dead set in my own opinion. It means I'm at least being intellectually honest and keeping an open mind for actual facts.  

[Carbonero]

To be fair, I had zero repair issues with both of my Harley-Davidsons. I guess they're the best, too.

Why are we putting so much energy into this? Seriously, it's hard to find a bad bike these days.

oy!  

[veefer800canuck]

I'll just leave this here:

http://roadracingworld.com/news/article/?article=35357

[Bruce Bogtrotter]

Web polls are meaningless.

Do you know what the methodology used was? The sample population? Neither do I.

I also don't know of any other published reliability rankings, so the choice between soft information and no information is pretty easy here on Planet Earth. I don't know about Planet RT.

[Royal Tiger]

Do you know what the methodology used was? The sample population? Neither do I.

I also don't know of any other published reliability rankings, so the choice between soft information and no information is pretty easy here on Planet Earth. I don't know about Planet RT.

So you got nothing.  Got it.

A poll of readers for a magazine in a country smaller then the state of New York has no foundation in determining the factual content of the topic at hand.  I'm sorry this is so hard for you people to figure out.  Anyone versed in debate or even scientific study will tell you with out empirical evidence, no actual fact based conclusions can be deduced.  The ONLY opinion I have enter so far was other motorcycle manufactors have caught up and Honda is no longer the gold standard, a position none of you have been able to counter other than attacking my position as just my opinion.  The topic of this thread was Honda makes the most reliable bikes.  I have yet to see anyone substantiate that point with anything other then their own opinions.  

[Bruce Bogtrotter]

J.D. Power and Consumer Reports, which no one takes issue with, are owner surveys like the one MCN ran. I don't know what you mean by "empirical evidence". Do you mean the vehicles are subjected to uniformly controlled long term stress tests? No one does that, and to hold that up as a requirement for evidence is delusional.

Maybe you don't like the facts, so you declare them non-facts.

In the meantime, Honda motorcycle reliability, for all intents and purposes, was confirmed by MCN.

[Cablebandit]

J.D. Power and Consumer Reports, which no one takes issue with,

 

[Royal Tiger]

J.D. Power and Consumer Reports, which no one takes issue with, are owner surveys like the one MCN ran. I don't know what you mean by "empirical evidence". Do you mean the vehicles are subjected to uniformly controlled long term stress tests? No one does that, and to hold that up as a requirement for evidence is delusional.

Maybe you don't like the facts, so you declare them non-facts.

In the meantime, Honda motorcycle reliability, for all intents and purposes, was confirmed by MCN.

You should check your so called facts before you throw them up as being correct.  J.D. Powers surveys actual new car owners which must be verified by V.I.N. as opposed to allowing anyone to cast a vote.  Even potentially the same person numerous times.  Therefore that would have some level of true data collection as opposed to an open ended, non controlled web poll.  I didn't change any facts into non facts because I didn't like the data.  That would be what you just did.  

Why are you Honda fanboys so defensive?  All I have stated was that Honda has had recent reliability issues which are well known and documented and other brands have caught up, which if you payed attention in school acknowledges they were ahead before.  I don't know why this has been so hard to comprehend.  Sure I can have just given up and left this thread, but I've been trying to get you all to realize what my point was so I've been having to defend and clarify.  

Oh and not to leave you out Viffer, feel free to go back earlier in the thread and see where I brought up catastrophic frame failures on GSX-R's.  So nice link, but not new info.

[Bruce Bogtrotter]

J.D. Powers surveys actual new car owners which must be verified by V.I.N. as opposed to allowing anyone to cast a vote.  Even potentially the same person numerous times.

ACORN sabotaged the MCN survey -- I did not know that.

Seriously, your argument is that there was a conspiracy among the 12,000 MCN readers polled, such that Honda came out ahead.

Facts have a well-known Honda bias.