cbolling
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Years Contributed: '09
Motorcycles: 2011 Kawasaki Versys, 2009 Yamaha Zuma 125 (sold)
GPS: Greenville, SC
Miles Typed: 504
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« on: January 04, 2010, 10:33:34 pm » |
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miles
Reputation 86
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Years Contributed: '07, '08, '09, '10
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: A couple of them.
Miles Typed: 13074
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Triangles are my favorite shape
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2010, 10:35:20 pm » |
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Well, having ridden a Desmosedici (not the 1098, but I think most will agree it's a respectable substitute) and ridden in a GT R, I can say both are plenty fun.
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Fridge Magnet Repairman
Reputation -24
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Motorcycles: '07 R1200RT (His); '08 F650GS (Hers)
GPS: Running with the Bulls...around the Bay
Miles Typed: 3741
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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2010, 01:11:00 am » |
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It was actually the 1098S, not the R. The S is one hell of a bike (understatement of the decade) but the S gives up ~10 hp and 3 lb-ft to the R.
Awesome vid either way.
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"These instructions are at our present level of
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Brad1445
Brad to the Ley
Reputation -6
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Years Contributed: '06
Motorcycles: 2008 Hayabusa - 2008 Ducati HyperMotard - 2009 KTM 505 - 2009KLXSM - 2004 Buell Firebolt
GPS: Denver
Miles Typed: 2243
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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2010, 01:35:19 am » |
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and now they have the 1198
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Justin
Reputation 58
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Years Contributed: '08
Motorcycles: 2008 Hayabusa - 2004 FJR
GPS: Sunny Colorado
Miles Typed: 6110
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Hi, I'm Phteven
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2010, 02:45:51 am » |
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fast car with 4 large tires will always out brake and out turn a bike. |
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FAST: 2004 "Silver Bullet" FJR1300 - FASTER: 2008 Touring/Endurance Hayabusa www.ledrider.com |
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Justin
Reputation 58
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Years Contributed: '08
Motorcycles: 2008 Hayabusa - 2004 FJR
GPS: Sunny Colorado
Miles Typed: 6110
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Hi, I'm Phteven
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2010, 02:46:33 am » |
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and now they have the 1198
What's next? A 1298? |
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KodiakRS
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« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2010, 05:06:20 am » |
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Just another battle in the endless Car Vs. Bike war.
Has anyone checked the Youtube comments yet? I'm sure that they're pretty epic.
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« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2010, 05:20:13 am » |
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What's next? A 1298?
Not until the racing rules change. The exrtra 200CCs rule for twins allowed Ducati to bump to the 1198 in Litre Class racing. |
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garry
Bleeds Orange...
Reputation 95
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Years Contributed: '08, '09
Motorcycles: KTM 1190 Adventure / KTM 530 EXC
GPS: Southwestern PA
Miles Typed: 6036
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« Reply #9 on: January 05, 2010, 07:47:56 am » |
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Not until the racing rules change. The exrtra 200CCs rule for twins allowed Ducati to bump to the 1198 in Litre Class racing.
And didn't someone from Ducati say that they've developed that platform as far as it can go? I wonder if a mass-produced Desmosedici-based V4 will be the next generation superbike. |
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3banger
David
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Miles Typed: 225
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« Reply #10 on: January 05, 2010, 09:48:18 am » |
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Which MotoGP tracks also see a lot of 4 wheel racing? I'm sure it’s been done to death but say:
MotoGP Lap vs. F1?
MotoGP Lap vs. One of the F1 Feeder Series?
MotoGP Lap vs. V8 Super Cars or Touring Cars?
AMA Super Bike Lap vs. NASCAR running a road course? (Is there a common track)?
I know MotoGP laps and WSBK are pretty damn close; I think the top runners in WSBK would have qualified almost mid grid for the MotoGP race held on the same track.
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Orson
speshulize in havin' fun
Reputation 86
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Years Contributed: '09
Motorcycles: '02 Moto Guzzi Le Mans, '04 Triumph Thruxton, '16 BMW R1200RS
GPS: Western N.C.
Miles Typed: 14347
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« Reply #11 on: January 05, 2010, 09:53:46 am » |
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Which MotoGP tracks also see a lot of 4 wheel racing? I'm sure it’s been done to death but say:
MotoGP Lap vs. F1?
back in the 80s, I read that an F1 lap time was 30 seconds faster than a 500cc GP bike on the same circuit. I thought that was a jaw dropping difference. Also, 250cc two-stroke go karts lap Laguna Seca faster than 750cc superbikes. Go kart racer Eddie Lawson said higher cornering speeds is the difference. |
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3banger
David
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Miles Typed: 225
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« Reply #12 on: January 05, 2010, 10:22:10 am » |
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Yes once you have any appreciable amount of down force the cornering speeds go way way up. As do the braking rates; I was at the champ car race in Denver years ago and how fast they slowed down at the end of the strait was mind bending. It was almost as if they had hit something. I would be interested to see how the race prepped Porches, Corvettes and BWM’s of the world compare to MotoGP or even a better comparison WSBK Bikes.
I’ve always contended that the 600 or Liter class sport bike you by off the show room floor are much closer to any kind of pure racing machine than pretty much any car; especially for the price.
I can’t find the article but there is “schwantz vs. schwantz” were he is faster on the 02 Gixxer1000 then in a 02 Z06 Corvette by quite a margin on the Willow Spring course.
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atadaskew
Reputation 155
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Motorcycles: A Vethpa and thome other thcooter
GPS: Venice Beach, California.
Miles Typed: 11826
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« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2010, 11:30:39 am » |
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I can’t find the article but there is “schwantz vs. schwantz” were he is faster on the 02 Gixxer1000 then in a 02 Z06 Corvette by quite a margin on the Willow Spring course.
1/ Schwantz works for Suzuki, so he was gonna make sure the bike won... b/ An 09 GSXR is not THAT much quicker on the track than an 02. But an 09 ZR1 (650hp) vs an 02 Z06 (400?) may well be. Either way, fast cars are great. Fast bikes are great. But they give such completely different sensations while in use that one is not a replacement for the other. The biggest advantage that the bike has (any sportbike) over the car is price. You need to spend huge $ to get to stock sport bike performance from a car. GTR is over $80K. |
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« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2010, 12:10:02 pm » |
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Wait...so a bike with a high hp:weight ratio out accelerates a car, and a car out brakes a bike?  I'm shocked at these results. SHOCKED! Now, let them hammer out lap times on their own and see how it pans out without one holding back the other from braking or acceleration. |
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« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2010, 01:06:05 pm » |
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All these stupid bike-to-car comparisons make me wanna punch a nun.
Can we all just live in the real world where bench racing is pointless and motorcyclists worry about motorcycles...?
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atadaskew
Reputation 155
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Motorcycles: A Vethpa and thome other thcooter
GPS: Venice Beach, California.
Miles Typed: 11826
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« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2010, 01:16:34 pm » |
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All these stupid bike-to-car comparisons make me wanna punch a nun.
Can we all just live in the real world where bench racing is pointless and motorcyclists worry about Harleys...?
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kevin_stevens
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Years Contributed: '09
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: BMW S1000RR, Buell 1125CR
GPS: I'm right here!
Miles Typed: 5936
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« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2010, 01:24:45 pm » |
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There was another thread on this video a couple of months ago. You may want to combine them.
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« Reply #18 on: January 05, 2010, 01:25:58 pm » |
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This is fundamentally incorrect. Ask anyone here... Harley != Motorcycle.  |
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Orson
speshulize in havin' fun
Reputation 86
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Years Contributed: '09
Motorcycles: '02 Moto Guzzi Le Mans, '04 Triumph Thruxton, '16 BMW R1200RS
GPS: Western N.C.
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« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2010, 01:26:32 pm » |
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Can we all just live in the real world where bench racing is pointless and motorcyclists worry about motorcycles...?
Yer on drugs. Bench racing is like breathing  |
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