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Title: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Playinthestreet on January 16, 2007, 10:29:49 am
I know this is not unlike "what's the best tire", but, some tweaker helped himself to some of my things this morning including my Olympus camera (C5500 zoom)

I'm not a "photographer" by any stretch but am open to replacement suggestions.

Thanking you in advance.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Fudge on January 16, 2007, 10:35:18 am
My current favorite is the Canon S3, a very fun camera. http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons3is/


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: vitaminC on January 16, 2007, 10:40:51 am
Well, there are only about 500 options. Perhaps you might give some suggestions about what features you're looking for and how much you want to spend?

Also, be sure to check out dpreview (http://www.dpreview.com).


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Playinthestreet on January 16, 2007, 10:48:41 am
I don't take videos so that's not important to me.  Ease of use with the software is probably more of a concern to a technologically challenged guy.  $3-500 would be my price range.  


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: nnjhawk02 on January 16, 2007, 10:49:34 am
Sorry to hear - Hugs not Drugs


But if ur looking for a compact camera - I just got a Fuji V-10.  5.1 meg - And What I like is a bigger optical zoom than most compacts 3.4

Takes great shots & easy to carry.

I got the camera, case, & 1 gig memory card for $220. shipped from Amazon - local stores were like $270 for camera only.

Get a dog / gun / alarm system

I know ur pissed off - F'ers got my brother 3 times in Denver, then he finally got the alarm system.  Nothing worse than a B&E, except maybe bikes thieves.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Scoop on January 16, 2007, 12:45:51 pm
Not sure if you are looking for a compact or larger.  I purchased a new one at Christmas this year.  After much research, I picked a Sony Cyber Shot 7.2 MP DSCH5.  I did pick it partly because of price, but also because it is very user friendly (for my wife's benefit) and it has a large and bright LCD screen.  I am very pleased with it for the most part.  My only complaint would be that it does not have an optical viewfinder.  Otherwise, great camera.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Avigar on January 16, 2007, 01:26:27 pm
You can get a decent 7MP in your price range. Olympus makes the SP-510 Ultra Zoom that's almost similar to your old one in size. It's 7.1MP, 10X zoom, has digital image stabilization, 2.5" LCD, aperture range is at f/2.8 – f/3.7 (excellent for indoor and low light), and uses AA batteries (not proprietary ones  :thumbsup:). It lists for $300 on Olympus' website. I'm sure you get it much cheaper than that.

http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/product.asp?product=1268


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Boone on January 19, 2007, 04:48:23 pm
I'd suggest the olympus 710W.  My girlfriend just got one (upon my suggestion) for christmas, and it takes wonderful pictures.  It has many scene modes, is easy to use, and it features digital image stabilization (VERY useful for taking non-blurry shots in lower light situations)

I think it's going for 250-300 right now, but it's probably even cheaper.  It's also Water-Resistant - You can't submerge it, but it'll take a douse of water, getting wet through a bag, or taking pictures in a medium shower.  Battery life is good, and the software is easy to use.  Large LCD screen.

It's an EXCELLENT value for a supercompact with many useful features.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: 1KPerDay on January 19, 2007, 04:58:14 pm
Canon powershots take great piccies. :inlove:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Nny on January 19, 2007, 05:51:01 pm

Canon powershots take great piccies. :inlove:


Yeah.. I just got a Canon Powershot SD600 and I love it.  Totally easy to use, great battery life (I haven't run out of batteries yet and I've had it since Christmas and taken 135+ photos and 5 2 minute movies), Great low light performance, good image stability, super compact, quick to turn on (easy to keep in your pocket and whip it out when you want to take a snapshot), and it's default settings are very good at figuring out exposure etc without you having to mess with it.  I've been really impressed with it, as you can probably tell.  Here's (http://home.comcast.net/~Adowshay/EastBroLighthouse_full.jpg) a photo I took Wednesday.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: 1KPerDay on January 19, 2007, 05:54:09 pm


Here's a photo I took Wednesday.

Cool pic. Life-sized, too! :bigok:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Nny on January 19, 2007, 06:04:26 pm


Cool pic. Life-sized, too! :bigok:


Well I figured you might as well see the full rez image.. :)

Not to thread jack, but I took it for this thread over here in region 1 (https://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,2322.0.html).


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Playinthestreet on January 19, 2007, 06:20:20 pm
Thanks, all.  I'm going to a local store to look at/compare several models of Canon and Olympus on Sat.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: bsd43 on January 19, 2007, 06:40:36 pm
Of the cameras I played with in the past few months, and what your requirements are, I'd say:

Canon S3.

I'd stay away from the Olympus. I've found recent Olympus cameras to have clunky interfaces, and not-that-great lenses.

(I just got a Nikon D40 for myself, to replace a Canon G5.)


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: KokomoSam on January 21, 2007, 08:10:59 pm

Canon powershots take great piccies. :inlove:


+1 for the Canon PowerShots.  Being a techy guy in the family I am always answering this question.  

I recommend the following manufactures
 

Canon number 1
Sony number 2


No mater what you do stay away from Nikon point and shoots.  They make great SLR's, but there Digital point and shot's suck.

I Have the canon SD700is and love it.

Sam




Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Nny on January 22, 2007, 02:40:09 am
Correction..  My camera's battery finally gave me the warning that it was low yesterday.  That's almost a month and roughly 150 pics.  :bigok:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: greench440 on January 22, 2007, 10:07:12 am
Olympus is junk, I have one and  I just bought a Nikon CoolPix P3.  ~300 online, 450 in the stores.  8.1 megapixel, image stabilized, 1.8 frame per sec 3x optical zoom, WiFi support.

The P3 is a lot of camera for the money.

http://www.digitalcamera-hq.com/digital-cameras/nikon-coolpix-p3_reviews.html


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 22, 2007, 11:08:07 am

Olympus is junk, I have one and  I just bought a Nikon CoolPix P3.  ~300 online, 450 in the stores.  8.1 megapixel, image stabilized, 1.8 frame per sec 3x optical zoom, WiFi support.

The P3 is a lot of camera for the money.

http://www.digitalcamera-hq.com/digital-cameras/nikon-coolpix-p3_reviews.html


How is Olympus junk? I dont currently own one but I have in the past, and I have a neighbor who does and uses both of his for underwater snapshots and gets amazing results. The one I used to have was very nice for what it was.

Nikon makes nice cameras, no doubt.. So does Canon. If Sony were the only manufacturer of digital cameras, I'd go back to using film.

Why? When Sony bought Konica/Minolta's camera division they screwed every owner who then had equipment in for warranty repair. They told the customer that they had two choices: 1: Accept a pro-rated boyout of their equipment from Sony or 2: Have it returned to them unrepaired in the same condition it was sent in as.

Screw Sony.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Fudge on January 22, 2007, 11:35:47 am

You can get a decent 7MP in your price range. Olympus makes the SP-510 Ultra Zoom that's almost similar to your old one in size. It's 7.1MP, 10X zoom, has digital image stabilization, 2.5" LCD, aperture range is at f/2.8 – f/3.7 (excellent for indoor and low light), and uses AA batteries (not proprietary ones  :thumbsup:). It lists for $300 on Olympus' website. I'm sure you get it much cheaper than that.

http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/product.asp?product=1268


Note the "Digital Image Stabilization" that Olympus refers to is not truly Image Stabilization.  Olympus uses a higher ISO and shutter speed which is not "stabilization".  Here is a good link to the subject:

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0701/07010501notimagestabilization.asp


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 22, 2007, 11:36:38 am
I have a Canon S2IS. Canon has since updated it to become the S3. I replaced a POS Olympus point and shoot. I hated that damn thing.

Overall I like the S2 very much, but it's not perfect. With the right lighting, the results come out great. But if it's poor lighting and you have to crank up the ISO to 200 or 400, the results definitely suffer.

It has a GREAT zoom, and this, plus being a Canon, is why I bought it. Full manual control was also a requirement for me, and the S2 (and S3 too) meets that.

The movie recording feature, while not a requirement, has been very nice. I've used it way more than I thought I ever would.

Plus, you can take good photos of the moon.
(http://www.jeff-cook.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/moon.jpg)

Happy shopping,
Jeff

PS. Another good camera research website is http://www.imaging-resource.com


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: greench440 on January 22, 2007, 11:42:30 am
Olympus - heavy, slow, clunky, shorter battery life, not as good optics.

Canon and Nikon have risen to the top of the digital camera heap.  Sony has too many proprietary dependencies (memory stick anyone?) for me.  They may be incorporating support for more standard stuff today, but their history says the best technology they have to offer will always be in their proprietary stuff.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: 1KPerDay on January 22, 2007, 02:25:03 pm


The movie recording feature, while not a requirement, has been very nice. I've used it way more than I thought I ever would.
We haven't shot any "video" in a few years. We just use the digital camera now. :inlove:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Fudge on January 22, 2007, 03:11:24 pm

We haven't shot any "video" in a few years. We just use the digital camera now. :inlove:


Very true.  I didn't shoot any videos until I got my S3.  Now I've got a very fun digital camera that takes great videos.  I take allot of videos now because of the versatility the camera adds.  The cool thing is that you can be videoing with the S3 and take a picture at the same time.  


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 22, 2007, 03:17:33 pm



Very true.  I didn't shoot any videos until I got my S3.  Now I've got a very fun digital camera that takes great videos.  I take allot of videos now because of the versatility the camera adds.  The cool thing is that you can be videoing with the S3 and take a picture at the same time.  


Exactly.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: maddjack on January 22, 2007, 04:46:21 pm
Me likey this one ,can get it for under 300 now
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonicfz7/


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 22, 2007, 10:41:47 pm
That was another one I looked at. I ended up not choosing that one because it has a proprietary battery pack, and I wanted to be able to use AA batteries, so if I was in the middle of BFE and needed batteries, I could get them just about anywhere. Very nice camera though.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Nny on January 23, 2007, 12:21:34 am

That was another one I looked at. I ended up not choosing that one because it has a proprietary battery pack, and I wanted to be able to use AA batteries, so if I was in the middle of BFE and needed batteries, I could get them just about anywhere. Very nice camera though.


But if the battery lasts for a month why would you care about double A batteries?   :headscratch:  I had to carry like 3 pairs of double A's and a fast charger around with my last camera because it would eat through a pair like every 3 hours of taking pics...   :p  Mine even has a nice slim charger that's about the same size (a smidge smaller) than the camera.  (excuse the dirty mirror..  ;))

(http://home.comcast.net/~Adowshay/sd600andcharger.jpg)

Here's a vid of the charger (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=944172542119539033&hl=en) with my oh so entertaining narration.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on January 23, 2007, 01:39:03 am
I loved my Sony Cybershot.  I loved my Canon Powershot S1IS.  I hated my Kodak's finicky autofocus, but it took amazing photos.

I'm now looking for another Kodak since the demise of my Canon.  I understand the AF issue is sorted and they come with IS now.  Every time I look at my older photos I can instantly tell which ones were from the Kodak.  I know they aren't as popular or prolific, but I've been impressed with images I've seen from every one.  Were it not for the AF woes of my Kodak, I'd still have it.  I'm not sure if it was a flaw with that particular camera or just a design flaw in general.  

Oh, and one more great Kodak feature is the docking port.  Just plunk it down and let it do its thing.  The best user interface I've ever encountered, and comes with good photosoftware.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 23, 2007, 11:01:37 am

But if the battery lasts for a month why would you care about double A batteries?   :headscratch:  I had to carry like 3 pairs of double A's and a fast charger around with my last camera because it would eat through a pair like every 3 hours of taking pics...   :p  Mine even has a nice slim charger that's about the same size (a smidge smaller) than the camera.  (excuse the dirty mirror..  ;))


You have a point there. So far I haven't had the problem with my AA's being eaten. My rechargeable AA batteries, that I already had before the camera, aren't that great, but they still last a long time. I guess I put more value on the whole IF they run out, you can buy them easily, then maybe I should have.

That said, I still am happy with my S2. Ideally I would've gotten a D-SLR, but I couldn't afford it.

Jeff


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Against The Wind on January 23, 2007, 11:45:42 am

Canon powershots take great piccies. :inlove:


 :withstupid:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Fudge on January 23, 2007, 11:50:56 am



You have a point there. So far I haven't had the problem with my AA's being eaten. My rechargeable AA batteries, that I already had before the camera, aren't that great, but they still last a long time. I guess I put more value on the whole IF they run out, you can buy them easily, then maybe I should have.

That said, I still am happy with my S2. Ideally I would've gotten a D-SLR, but I couldn't afford it.

Jeff


I also looked at the D-SLR option, but there is a trade off for me (and most people).  The bigger the camera, the less likely I will take it with me.  While the S3 isn't small, for what it does it's a very efficient size.  Unlike my previous Minolta A2 which was bulkier and didn't go with me everywhere, I find the S3 is ideal.  We also have a powershot SD450 that is always with us because it is so small and light it easily fits in a jacket pocket or my wifes purse.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 23, 2007, 12:04:06 pm



I also looked at the D-SLR option, but there is a trade off for me (and most people).  The bigger the camera, the less likely I will take it with me.  While the S3 isn't small, for what it does it's a very efficient size.  Unlike my previous Minolta A2 which was bulkier and didn't go with me everywhere, I find the S3 is ideal.  We also have a powershot SD450 that is always with us because it is so small and light it easily fits in a jacket pocket or my wifes purse.


Its funny- I understand that completely but for most of my life I have been carrying around a huge load of equipment just because thhats what I've needed. There have been so many times where I've considered a smaller camera to tote around but decided against it because I knew I'd be unhappy with the results compared to my DSLR. It would all revolve around that once in a lifetime shot that I wouldnt have been able to get at the maximum quality I've become accustomed to.

In no way am I saying that the smaller cameras wont suit anybody's needs- They just wouldnt suit mine.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 23, 2007, 12:12:48 pm
I hear both of you. I've wrestled with both ends of it.

On one hand, only having a small camera will not yield the best results, compared to a DSLR.

But on the other, getting results from a small camera is better than not getting any results because you didn't bring the larger, bulkier DSLR.

I wouldn't mind getting a DSLR to go with the S2, or, getting a smaller camera to go on the other end. It does seem that the S2/S3 is a good step between small camera and SLR. But the low light photos are just crap due to all the noise at ISO200 and ISO400.

Jeff


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 23, 2007, 12:33:53 pm

But on the other, getting results from a small camera is better than not getting any results because you didn't bring the larger, bulkier DSLR.Jeff


Oh, you're absolutely right on that one. But then the artist in me comes into play and there is no such logic involved!  :lol:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 23, 2007, 01:34:53 pm
Fred what is your main camera you shoot with?


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Avigar on January 23, 2007, 01:38:26 pm

I hear both of you. I've wrestled with both ends of it.

On one hand, only having a small camera will not yield the best results, compared to a DSLR.

But on the other, getting results from a small camera is better than not getting any results because you didn't bring the larger, bulkier DSLR.

I wouldn't mind getting a DSLR to go with the S2, or, getting a smaller camera to go on the other end. It does seem that the S2/S3 is a good step between small camera and SLR. But the low light photos are just crap due to all the noise at ISO200 and ISO400.

Jeff


I ended up getting one of each eventually... a Canon Powershot SD900 and a Nikon D80 DSLR. Yeah, I guess I'm happy for now.  :D  


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Avigar on January 23, 2007, 01:41:12 pm

Fred what is your main camera you shoot with?


So, Fred, which way do you swing? Canon or Nikon?  :lol:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Nny on January 23, 2007, 01:48:16 pm
Yeah, I hear you.  For me though, the bang for the buck is more in the smaller camera.  With how small you have to make web photos anyway I don't see the need for more than 5 mega pixels and I don't mind a bit of graininess every now and then.  I'm not a photographer and I don't care about getting it "just right".  It's kind of like audiophiles who spend 1k on headphones vs someone who buys a pair that have above average sound quality but you can't always hear when the guitarist slides his finger on accident switching chords.. ;)  the OP though was talking about a very easy to use camera which D-SLR's certainly aren't. (from a non "photophile" perspective.)


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 23, 2007, 01:53:59 pm

Fred what is your main camera you shoot with?


Canon EOS 30D. Lenses are as follows:

85mm 1.8 (Excellent for head and product shots)
17-40mm L 4.0
28-135mm 3.5/5.6 IS Zoom
70-200mm L 4.0 Zoom
200mm L 2.8

For those of you not aware, Canon's "L" series is their high end lenses. better optics and sturdier lenses. For what its worth, I think that Nikon's standard optics are better than Canon's. Their high end optics are both excellent as are their cameras.

50mm 1.8 and 70-300 both no longer used. The 85mm is a far better lens for my needs and the standard 70-300 zoom is a low contrast piece of junk.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 23, 2007, 01:59:58 pm
I get where you're going Nny, but a DSLR is no where near the comparison of an audiophile spending outrageous amounts of coin for a set of headphones. For that, you'd be shopping for something like a medium format Hasselblad (sp?) with a digital back. Those are really sweet, but just stupidly expensive.

There's no denying the bulk involved with a DSLR. A small camera will obviously win every time in that regard. But DSLRs have full auto settings too. If the photographer (term used loosely - i.e. the person behind the camera) choose, all they have to do is push one button, just like a point and shoot. But with the SLR, again if the photographer chooses, can do so much more. The versatility of a DSLR just really can't be beat.

Unless you're printing posters, I'll agree with you and say anything over 5mp is probably overkill. But then again, the flexibility you have with more megapixels is worth something. You're able to crop the photo into a composition that works better than the original may have, but still allow good printing sizes. Smaller megapixel cameras limit that.

Jeff


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 23, 2007, 02:01:31 pm

Yeah, I hear you.  For me though, the bang for the buck is more in the smaller camera.  With how small you have to make web photos anyway I don't see the need for more than 5 mega pixels and I don't mind a bit of graininess every now and then.  I'm not a photographer and I don't care about getting it "just right".  It's kind of like audiophiles who spend 1k on headphones vs someone who buys a pair that have above average sound quality but you can't always hear when the guitarist slides his finger on accident switching chords.. ;)  the OP though was talking about a very easy to use camera which D-SLR's certainly aren't. (from a non "photophile" perspective.)


Agreed to a point- You buy for what you need. The comparison to the dreaded audiophile is a bit misplaced, though. yes, I think the idiots who believed in that CD Stoplight crap needed a boot to the head but I'm not aware of anybody who is going to drop $8000.00 on a Canon EOS 1DS MkII just for the "tweak" factor. That doesnt mean they dont exist, but their numbers are far less.
I bought by 30D because that is what I could afford. If I had the money I would have bought the 5D which is a full-frame 12 Mp chip. The full frame is the operative advantage here. No more magification factor on the lenses and ar higher detail which also means far more useful in a commercial environment due to that extra resolution.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Nny on January 23, 2007, 03:13:02 pm

I get where you're going Nny, but a DSLR is no where near the comparison of an audiophile spending outrageous amounts of coin for a set of headphones.


Heh.. Just picked an arbitrarily large number there sorry.   :o  Point was that there's different levels of need (Which you seem to agree with).  There's people who are happy with crappy cell phone pics, people who want precise picture quality to the point that they can pick out individual grass strands from 100 yards, and folks in between like me that don't want to pay an arm and a leg, like the camera to do the work of figuring out exposure times etc.. but hate crappy cameras that take forever and drain batteries like there's no tomorrow.  The balance I guess is practicality vs picture quality...  But it's not a linear relationship.  I like my camera because it rates (with me) highly in both categories.  I feel I got a really great amount of camera for not a whole lot of dough :)

If I wasn't concerned about bulk I'd probably go with an SLR because I love expensive toys (hence the motorcycle).  How are they with batteries btw?


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 23, 2007, 03:52:46 pm



Heh.. Just picked an arbitrarily large number there sorry.   :o  Point was that there's different levels of need (Which you seem to agree with).  There's people who are happy with crappy cell phone pics, people who want precise picture quality to the point that they can pick out individual grass strands from 100 yards, and folks in between like me that don't want to pay an arm and a leg, like the camera to do the work of figuring out exposure times etc.. but hate crappy cameras that take forever and drain batteries like there's no tomorrow.  The balance I guess is practicality vs picture quality...  But it's not a linear relationship.  I like my camera because it rates (with me) highly in both categories.  I feel I got a really great amount of camera for not a whole lot of dough :)

If I wasn't concerned about bulk I'd probably go with an SLR because I love expensive toys (hence the motorcycle).  How are they with batteries btw?


Yeah, I think we're pretty much in agreement, although we differ slightly as to what's important to us in a camera. I was just nitpicking.

I don't have any personal experience with a DSLR unfortunately, but a coworker has a Canon Digital Rebel XT. He said he gets about a day of shooting on the proprietary battery, which doesn't sound like much, but when he shoots for a day, he takes up to 1000 photos. He's big into airplanes, especially old warbirds. He'll go to various aero events and just shoot photos like a madman.

Jeff

PS. I don't know how anyone is happy with cell phone pics. The quality is just crap! I can't stand them. I look at cell phone pics as a novelty, definitely not a replacement for an actual camera.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Aero on January 23, 2007, 04:18:43 pm


Canon EOS 30D. Lenses are as follows:

85mm 1.8 (Excellent for head and product shots)
17-40mm L 4.0
28-135mm 3.5/5.6 IS Zoom
70-200mm L 4.0 Zoom
200mm L 2.8

For those of you not aware, Canon's "L" series is their high end lenses. better optics and sturdier lenses. For what its worth, I think that Nikon's standard optics are better than Canon's. Their high end optics are both excellent as are their cameras.

50mm 1.8 and 70-300 both no longer used. The 85mm is a far better lens for my needs and the standard 70-300 zoom is a low contrast piece of junk.


I also have a Canon dslr, a Rebel XT which I bought nearly two years ago and I love it! It has revived my interest in photography since I bought it because it is so easy to play around with the settings and see the difference they make. Even night shots at ISO 1600 come out really nicely and there is none of the shutter lag that you get with many compacts.
I got the camera with a 17-85mm f4-5.6 lens with image stabilisation, and since then I have added a 70-200 L f4 and a 50mm f1.8 which I find to be a great little lens for a giveaway price.
I won't take more than one lens with me on a bike trip unless I know there will be lots of photo opportunities, but I think the added bulk of a dslr is a reasonable tradeoff for picture quality.

Yawn at the pics... http://www.pbase.com/aero65
All but one or two taken with the Canon, details below each pic :)


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 23, 2007, 05:23:07 pm
http://www.pbase.com/aero65

Here's a corrected link.

Jeff


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: bsd43 on January 23, 2007, 06:11:18 pm
Dude, the 200 f2.8 and the 70-200 f4.0 L is quite a bit of glass to carry around on a bike, nevermind all the other focal lengths... This being a motorcycling forum and all, size and weight should definitely be considered here.

I bought my Canon G5 for bike use. Fast 35-140 equiv f2.0-3.0 lens, with a good sensor. I hate shooting action with it since it's got slow autofocus by comparison, but hell, for trips it's great. The closest thing they sell nowadays to that is either the G7, or the S3.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 23, 2007, 06:21:18 pm

Dude, the 200 f2.8 and the 70-200 f4.0 L is quite a bit of glass to carry around on a bike, nevermind all the other focal lengths... This being a motorcycling forum and all, size and weight should definitely be considered here.

I bought my Canon G5 for bike use. Fast 35-140 equiv f2.0-3.0 lens, with a good sensor. I hate shooting action with it since it's got slow autofocus by comparison, but hell, for trips it's great. The closest thing they sell nowadays to that is either the G7, or the S3.


Dude, if I ever get that concerned about my 1200 Trophy's ability to put the power to the ground due to excess weight I'll go on a diet. The extra weight of two lenses that have served me well just doesnt matter.

The G5 is an excellent camera and like any kind of "point and shoot" due to my needs (And what I like to shoot) is completely useless to me. Should I want to carry any kind of all-in-one camera I will take my old Olympus IS-3 35mm, which once run through a good quality scanner will still give me better results than a small digital.

The Canon S3 and G7 are no longer contenders to be taken seriously in the "prosumer" market as Canon has done away with the ability to shoow RAW files. For what I do shooting any format but RAW is not an option.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 23, 2007, 07:28:51 pm


The Canon S3 and G7 are no longer contenders to be taken seriously in the "prosumer" market as Canon has done away with the ability to shoow RAW files. For what I do shooting any format but RAW is not an option.


For serious photographers, you make a HUGE point. I was very upset about the lack of RAW on the S2, but since I am a hobbyist at best, or basically, a guy who really enjoys photography but only takes photos of his baby girl, I chose to go the route of the S2 with JPG only.

When the time comes to get another digital camera to add to the stable, you can bank on it being a DSLR. I don't regret buying the S2, but I do wish I had the dosh to afford something at a higher level.

Jeff


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: bsd43 on January 24, 2007, 12:13:02 am
A RAW vs JPEG thread is like a Mobil 1 vs Castrol thread... :lol:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: XLR8 on January 24, 2007, 12:56:19 am
For my money Canons make the best photos - if we are talking JPEG that is.

I recently purchased a Canon XTi DSLR and I really like it. I bought it because it was small. I take it with me on my FJR and it even fits in my tankbag. For me, the extra size is worth it. However, if you don't want to take something as big as a DSLR their smaller point and shoots are excellent. Also, don't get a DSLR if you aren't willing to put a little time into post processing your images.

Here's one from last Saturday with my Canon
(http://enzo.zenfolio.com/img/p68209667-4.jpg)


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: XLR8 on January 24, 2007, 01:02:19 am

I hear both of you. I've wrestled with both ends of it.

On one hand, only having a small camera will not yield the best results, compared to a DSLR.

...



This isn't true at all. There are many people that would be much better off by NOT getting a DSLR.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 24, 2007, 02:53:45 am

For my money Canons make the best photos - if we are talking JPEG that is.

I recently purchased a Canon XTi DSLR and I really like it. I bought it because it was small. I take it with me on my FJR and it even fits in my tankbag. For me, the extra size is worth it. However, if you don't want to take something as big as a DSLR their smaller point and shoots are excellent. Also, don't get a DSLR if you aren't willing to put a little time into post processing your images.

Here's one from last Saturday with my Canon
(http://enzo.zenfolio.com/img/p68209667-4.jpg)


Now THAT is a beautiful image!   :clap:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 24, 2007, 02:55:01 am

A RAW vs JPEG thread is like a Mobil 1 vs Castrol thread... :lol:


I'm going to have to ask you to elaborate on that one.....  :headscratch:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: XLR8 on January 24, 2007, 08:45:03 am

Now THAT is a beautiful image!   :clap:


Thanks Thunder7.  :)

I realize it is kind of self indulgent and a hijack to post it in this thread but I just wanted to share and talk cameras. I've been shooting film for years and then kind of left the hobby and I only had a digital point and shoot for a long time. Last fall I bought the XTi and at first wondered what had I done? All my exposures were pretty terrible. But it's slowly starting to come back and I think that combining riding with photography will be very enjoyable.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 24, 2007, 09:08:59 am



Thanks Thunder7.  :)

I realize it is kind of self indulgent and a hijack to post it in this thread but I just wanted to share and talk cameras. I've been shooting film for years and then kind of left the hobby and I only had a digital point and shoot for a long time. Last fall I bought the XTi and at first wondered what had I done? All my exposures were pretty terrible. But it's slowly starting to come back and I think that combining riding with photography will be very enjoyable.


You're welcome. Your path back into it is similar to what mine was. I got out of it for a while, due to many reasons and bought a used Kodak DC 290 back in 2000. I took one shot that made me want to throw the camera in the garbage (Shadow detail was noise at best) and went to an Olympus 5060. I fi=gured that if I was going to have a point and shoot I wanted a good one. After a few months with it the "jones" came back to me like a bolt of lightning and I proceeded to hit every possible wall with that camera. The limitations were killing me.

Next step was a DSLR, which ended up being a used EOS 10D. I had a friend who couldnt handle the fact that I would have a better camera than him so instead of buying a 20D he sold me his 10D with the 28-135 IS zoom and the extended battery pack for $750.00. The rest is history. Riding all day and finding things to shoot is my favorite thing to do. Its like meditation.

Play around with depth of field- I've found it works for me. Uness there are special circumstances, such as shooting indoors with my studio strobes (Full manual with a external flash meter is a MUST) I usually leave the shutter speed to the camera.

Regarding that amazing shot of yours- I love to look at the works of other photographers for one main reason- It keeps me humble about my works. We all see different things, all interpreted through the lens and (sometimes) computers. While I dont claim to be a fan of all shooters works, I respect their vision.

If you get a chance, check out my site. Its way overdue for an update (yeah, yeah- I'm working on it- I swear) but you'll get an idea of what I see.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 24, 2007, 09:33:52 am



Here's one from last Saturday with my Canon
(http://enzo.zenfolio.com/img/p68209667-4.jpg)


I agree with Thunder7, that photo is awesome!
Posted on: January 24, 2007, 06:33:09 am


If you get a chance, check out my site. Its way overdue for an update (yeah, yeah- I'm working on it- I swear) but you'll get an idea of what I see.


Thunder7, if you need any help with your site, let me know. It's what I do for a living.

Jeff


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: JimWilliamson on January 24, 2007, 10:27:54 am


If you get a chance, check out my site. Its way overdue for an update (yeah, yeah- I'm working on it- I swear) but you'll get an idea of what I see.



Good pix, Good presentation.

http://www.fredteifeld.com/natout/images/sadsilo.html
Looks familiar... Is that silo on US Route 2 just southwest of Rockford IL??

Is this one out at Union IL?
http://www.fredteifeld.com/rr/images/tracks.html


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 24, 2007, 10:49:56 am



Good pix, Good presentation.

http://www.fredteifeld.com/natout/images/sadsilo.html
Looks familiar... Is that silo on US Route 2 just southwest of Rockford IL??

Is this one out at Union IL?
http://www.fredteifeld.com/rr/images/tracks.html


Thank you!

First answer- I dont recall. I have been trying to remember for a while now.

Second- Yes.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 24, 2007, 10:56:04 am

For my money Canons make the best photos - if we are talking JPEG that is.

I recently purchased a Canon XTi DSLR and I really like it. I bought it because it was small. I take it with me on my FJR and it even fits in my tankbag. For me, the extra size is worth it. However, if you don't want to take something as big as a DSLR their smaller point and shoots are excellent. Also, don't get a DSLR if you aren't willing to put a little time into post processing your images.

Here's one from last Saturday with my Canon
(http://enzo.zenfolio.com/img/p68209667-4.jpg)


That is a awesome photo.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 24, 2007, 11:01:04 am



I agree with Thunder7, that photo is awesome!
Posted on: January 24, 2007, 06:33:09 am


Thunder7, if you need any help with your site, let me know. It's what I do for a living.

Jeff


Jeff- Thanks. I appreciate the offer and if I have any questions I will certainly shout out to you. I'll PM wth more, as I dont want to divert this thread any further than we already have  :bigok:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 24, 2007, 11:07:28 am
Thunder7 if you take requests for your site put up more outdoors stuff like the black and white you have now. Those like all the rest of yours are great shots.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 24, 2007, 11:10:11 am

Thunder7 if you take requests for your site put up more outdoors stuff like the black and white you have now. Those like all the rest of yours are great shots.  :thumbsup:


Working on it..... Those and my night shots have gotten me an invitation to exhibit in Turkey in June.

Thanks.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 24, 2007, 11:17:23 am



Working on it..... Those and my night shots have gotten me an invitation to exhibit in Turkey in June.

Thanks.


Congrats. and very frickin cool


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Aero on January 24, 2007, 11:19:04 am

http://www.pbase.com/aero65

Here's a corrected link.

Jeff


Thanks for that Jeff!  :thumbsup:

The debate about dslr versus point & shoot will probably never end. Each has its advantages, and for motorcycling the small size of p & s cameras is an undoubted advantage but I get so much more from my photography since I started using my dslr that I just don't use my Olympus p & s digital camera any more. I consider the extra possibilities afforded by the dslr to be worth the extra space in my tank bag, although I will usually just take one lens unless I know that I will probably have reason to use more than one lens.
If all you want to do is document a trip then a compact camera will in most cases be fine, but I am trying to explore just what I can do with my photography and for me it has to be a dslr.



Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 24, 2007, 11:21:06 am



Thanks for that Jeff!  :thumbsup:

The debate about dslr versus point & shoot will probably never end. Each has its advantages, and for motorcycling the small size of p & s cameras is an undoubted advantage but I get so much more from my photography since I started using my dslr that I just don't use my Olympus p & s digital camera any more. I consider the extra possibilities afforded by the dslr to be worth the extra space in my tank bag, although I will usually just take one lens unless I know that I will probably have reason to use more than one lens.
If all you want to do is document a trip then a compact camera will in most cases be fine, but I am trying to explore just what I can do with my photography and for me it has to be a dslr.




Thats the way to go. Well said.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: bsd43 on January 24, 2007, 05:21:05 pm

I'm going to have to ask you to elaborate on that one.....  :headscratch:


I just meant that there's going to be different camps of thought on this issue. I personally prefer shooting JPEGs, just because you don't have to spend time doing post-processing on each image. In my uses, the JPEG image produced by the camera is good enough, and it can be instantly used straight from the memory card. Now, my dad does wedding photography, and he has a different take on it.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 24, 2007, 06:37:08 pm



I just meant that there's going to be different camps of thought on this issue. I personally prefer shooting JPEGs, just because you don't have to spend time doing post-processing on each image. In my uses, the JPEG image produced by the camera is good enough, and it can be instantly used straight from the memory card. Now, my dad does wedding photography, and he has a different take on it.


Of course there are. You have an excellent point.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Ant on January 25, 2007, 09:19:09 am
I have a Canon EOS 350D (I think its the Digital Rebel XT in the states?) D-SLR and was contemplating buying a cheap point and shoot to cart around on the bike. I see though that some of you are taking your D-SLRs in your tankbags; aren't you worried about damaging the optics in the lenses by being against the tank vibrating etc? Or am I just being needlessly paranoid?

Wondering whether to get a RAM mount and either a cheap digital camcorder or a cheapish digital camera for mounting to the bike itself for long trips but I think I'll start another thread on the benefits/pitfalls of that - bit off the point of this thread.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: XLR8 on January 25, 2007, 09:23:55 am

I have a Canon EOS 350D (I think its the Digital Rebel XT in the states?) D-SLR and was contemplating buying a cheap point and shoot to cart around on the bike. I see though that some of you are taking your D-SLRs in your tankbags; aren't you worried about damaging the optics in the lenses by being against the tank vibrating etc? Or am I just being needlessly paranoid?



Nope, I'm not worried about it. These cameras are pretty rugged. If it breaks I'll have it fixed or buy another one.  :)


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 25, 2007, 09:33:27 am

I have a Canon EOS 350D (I think its the Digital Rebel XT in the states?) D-SLR and was contemplating buying a cheap point and shoot to cart around on the bike. I see though that some of you are taking your D-SLRs in your tankbags; aren't you worried about damaging the optics in the lenses by being against the tank vibrating etc? Or am I just being needlessly paranoid?

Wondering whether to get a RAM mount and either a cheap digital camcorder or a cheapish digital camera for mounting to the bike itself for long trips but I think I'll start another thread on the benefits/pitfalls of that - bit off the point of this thread.


The 350D= Rebel XT is correct.

As far as vibration goes, most high quality tank bags are well padded. More often than not I have all my camera gear (In a proper case) in my trunk or bungeed to the pillion. Once in a while I will keep mine in the tank bag if I know I will be stopping a lot for a time.

To address the potential for vibration damage- The great majority of DSLRs' are built to withstand a certain amount of abuse, as is their film counterparts. That would extend to the lenses as well. If it got out that they were getting damaged by that slight bit that would take place on a modern S-T bike (Well, anything short of a Milwaukee Vibrator) or anything that could achieve the same results, that manufacturer would probably be driven to take the offending item(s) off the market and replace them with something more robust.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: JimWilliamson on January 25, 2007, 09:39:29 am

Wondering whether to get a RAM mount and either a cheap digital camcorder or a cheapish digital camera for mounting to the bike itself for long trips but I think I'll start another thread on the benefits/pitfalls of that - bit off the point of this thread.


IME the digital cameras (point and shoot) and my MiniDV tape camcorder are extremely resiliant when RAM mounted to the handlebars.

One item I do appreciate in the digicam market is for the unit to have an "attachment ring" to attach a barrel with UV filter - keeps the dust and bugs off of the lens. The UV filters will become pitted (rocks, sand, hard bugs?) but can be easily replaced. The Canon PS A620 is one model that has this.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: johnnyb on January 25, 2007, 11:07:19 am
Just to kind of steer this thing back on track.  Try this link...
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/2006-camera-guide.htm
Good info.  Covers the gamut from point and shoots to compact DSLR.
I'm a Nikon guy but for point and shoots I'd recommend Canon.  Real tough to beat.

Hey Fred...You haven't told anybody to Fook off in a while.  I'm startin' to worry about you man  :D


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 25, 2007, 12:25:39 pm
Quote from: johnnyb link=topic=2894.msg71969#msg71969 date=1169741239

Hey Fred...You haven't told anybody to Fook off in a while.  I'm startin' to worry about you man  Bigsmile
[/quote


You're just bitter because you have to use Canon equipment for work, John.   :lol:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: johnnyb on January 25, 2007, 12:33:26 pm

[quote author=johnnyb link=topic=2894.msg71969#msg71969 date=1169741239

Hey Fred...You haven't told anybody to Fook off in a while.  I'm startin' to worry about you man  :D


You're just bitter because you have to use Canon equipment for work, John.   :lol:


Well, you know.....They make dandy paperweights :p


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 25, 2007, 12:42:54 pm



Well, you know.....They make dandy paperweights :p


 :lol:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: torags v2 on January 25, 2007, 09:08:35 pm
Nice capture XLR8.

I take my dslr on the bike for the same reasons as Thunder7. But I also take my P&S for my breast pocket when I can stop wo dismounting for a shot I would miss digging for my D70S.

As a photo noob, I found the interest in photography gave me a bunch of new reasons to ride my bike. I'm still working on good image quality.....

On the way home from the Baja 1000 along the Cal coast .........

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/113940320-S.jpg)



Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: evilmedic13 on January 26, 2007, 04:22:45 am



The 350D= Rebel XT is correct.

As far as vibration goes, most high quality tank bags are well padded. More often than not I have all my camera gear (In a proper case) in my trunk or bungeed to the pillion. Once in a while I will keep mine in the tank bag if I know I will be stopping a lot for a time.

To address the potential for vibration damage- The great majority of DSLRs' are built to withstand a certain amount of abuse, as is their film counterparts. That would extend to the lenses as well. If it got out that they were getting damaged by that slight bit that would take place on a modern S-T bike (Well, anything short of a Milwaukee Vibrator) or anything that could achieve the same results, that manufacturer would probably be driven to take the offending item(s) off the market and replace them with something more robust.


+1

I carry my 7d w/ me all the time. Only time it's not on the bike is if I'm going out to eat and the wife is coming w/ me. Other than than that, the few times I didn't bring it  on the bike I ended up missing some gorgeous shots that I still kick myself for. I even bring it to work w/ me and a CFD ambulance in Chicago is definitely NOT what the engineers had in mind, but the last time I forgot it there was a waterspout about 2mi off the beachfront :crazy:. Hell I even have a battery charger in my tankbag that hooks into the powerlet because I carry it so often(another lesson learned the hard way!). Now if I can only shoot like Fred................


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 26, 2007, 05:09:20 am

Nice capture XLR8.

I take my dslr on the bike for the same reasons as Thunder7. But I also take my P&S for my breast pocket when I can stop wo dismounting for a shot I would miss digging for my D70S.

As a photo noob, I found the interest in photography gave me a bunch of new reasons to ride my bike. I'm still working on good image quality.....

On the way home from the Baja 1000 along the Cal coast .........

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/113940320-S.jpg)



Cool shot! Just keep shooting. Dont be afraid to experiment and/or ask questions. I've been shooting for more years than I care to admit and I still run into situations where I have to ask somebody. One of my closest friends is one of Chicago's fashion photographers and he has been my greatest teacher.

I'lll keep my DSLR in my tankbag if I think I'm going to be shooting stuff where I olny need to stop, but not dismount.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 26, 2007, 05:16:02 am



+1

I carry my 7d w/ me all the time. Only time it's not on the bike is if I'm going out to eat and the wife is coming w/ me. Other than than that, the few times I didn't bring it  on the bike I ended up missing some gorgeous shots that I still kick myself for. I even bring it to work w/ me and a CFD ambulance in Chicago is definitely NOT what the engineers had in mind, but the last time I forgot it there was a waterspout about 2mi off the beachfront :crazy:. Hell I even have a battery charger in my tankbag that hooks into the powerlet because I carry it so often(another lesson learned the hard way!). Now if I can only shoot like Fred................


Ed, if I kicked myself for every time I didnt have my camera for certain opportunities I'd never be able to sit down. I should carry a high quality point and shoot but should that op arise and I dont have my system wiht me I'll be pissed I wasnt able to get it at the maximum quaility I'm used to. Its a double edged sword, I tell ya!

Funny how when I saw your air show images I was thinking how I have never been able to get shots like those!


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 26, 2007, 10:31:41 am
I will be ready this summer I also was in the forgot my camera club, now that I have my ram mounts I will mount my camera everytime I leave or at least have it in my tankbag. Now I just have to learn how to take good photos.  :D


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 26, 2007, 10:47:16 am

I will be ready this summer I also was in the forgot my camera club, now that I have my ram mounts I will mount my camera everytime I leave or at least have it in my tankbag. Now I just have to learn how to take good photos.  :D


First lesson in taking a good recreational photo: What other people will think of the image should be of no concern. It is your eye, and your image.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 26, 2007, 11:54:16 am



First lesson in taking a good recreational photo: What other people will think of the image should be of no concern. It is your eye, and your image.

 :clap:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Avigar on January 26, 2007, 01:02:17 pm



First lesson in taking a good recreational photo: What other people will think of the image should be of no concern. It is your eye, and your image.


Agreed. If I have time, I will visualize and compose it in my head. Here's a photo that was taken in Door County this past summer. I used my Olympus C5050 on this shot.

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/avigar01/DC3.jpg)


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 26, 2007, 01:25:16 pm
So... is this turning into a show your good photography thread? If so, here's my contribution, taken with my Canon S2IS and then some post processing in Photoshop.

(http://www.jeff-cook.com/images/lucy/IMG_5544.jpg)

Jeff


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 26, 2007, 01:40:50 pm

So... is this turning into a show your good photography thread? If so, here's my contribution, taken with my Canon S2IS and then some post processing in Photoshop.

(http://www.jeff-cook.com/images/lucy/IMG_5544.jpg)

Jeff


Nicely done. Just out of curiosity- What focal length was the lens at? I'm guessing more towards wide angle.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 26, 2007, 01:43:18 pm



Agreed. If I have time, I will visualize and compose it in my head. Here's a photo that was taken in Door County this past summer. I used my Olympus C5050 on this shot.

(http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b162/avigar01/DC3.jpg)


Ben, well done. Thats exactly how I do it- I think most photographers do in situations like that. Just a suggestion- Play with a circular polarizer to darken the sky and enhance the reflectivity of the water the next time you encounter a similar scene like that.
If you havent done it before you will be pleasantly surprised by the potential results.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 26, 2007, 01:45:02 pm
Oh and one other thing- I've noticed that some really great and helpful discussions can result regarding shooting while out on tour and I've PMd Neal (UFO) about creating a forum here that is specific to shooting and gear.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 26, 2007, 01:49:27 pm

Nicely done. Just out of curiosity- What focal length was the lens at? I'm guessing more towards wide angle.


Thanks! I really like the way this one turned out, and I knew it the moment I pushed the button on the camera.

From the EXIF info:
Make    Canon    
Model    Canon PowerShot S2 IS
Aperture Value    f/2.7    
Color Space    sRGB
Exposure Bias Value    0 EV    
Flash    No Flash
Focal Length    6 mm    
Metering Mode    Center Weighted Average
Shutter Speed Value    1/39 sec    
Date/Time    01/21/07 12:21:24

In doors, I pretty much shoot strictly fully wide angle, because, as you zoom in the max (or is it min) aperture decreases. If I zoomed in at all, I would've only had an aperture of f/3.5 or 5.6 or who knows what.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 26, 2007, 01:59:18 pm



Thanks! I really like the way this one turned out, and I knew it the moment I pushed the button on the camera.

From the EXIF info:
Make    Canon    
Model    Canon PowerShot S2 IS
Aperture Value    f/2.7    
Color Space    sRGB
Exposure Bias Value    0 EV    
Flash    No Flash
Focal Length    6 mm    
Metering Mode    Center Weighted Average
Shutter Speed Value    1/39 sec    
Date/Time    01/21/07 12:21:24

In doors, I pretty much shoot strictly fully wide angle, because, as you zoom in the max (or is it min) aperture decreases. If I zoomed in at all, I would've only had an aperture of f/3.5 or 5.6 or who knows what.


Thats a defining shot, when you know it as soon as you take it.

Just to let you know- In portrait shooting I use an 85mm (X1.6 crop factor = 136mm) f1.8, stopped down to 2.8 or maybe 3.5 to achieve the same effect without the wide angle effect. I use my 17-40 f4 otherwise, much like the effect I got with the horse shot on my website.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 26, 2007, 02:52:00 pm

Oh and one other thing- I've noticed that some really great and helpful discussions can result regarding shooting while out on tour and I've PMd Neal (UFO) about creating a forum here that is specific to shooting and gear.


This would be cool I have alot to learn.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 26, 2007, 02:56:38 pm

Oh and one other thing- I've noticed that some really great and helpful discussions can result regarding shooting while out on tour and I've PMd Neal (UFO) about creating a forum here that is specific to shooting and gear.


A photo forum would be cool.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 26, 2007, 03:10:18 pm
I've seen some really great images taken by many of the riders here so to have the input of such a diverse group with varying levels of experience can only enhance things.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Avigar on January 26, 2007, 03:52:14 pm



Ben, well done. Thats exactly how I do it- I think most photographers do in situations like that. Just a suggestion- Play with a circular polarizer to darken the sky and enhance the reflectivity of the water the next time you encounter a similar scene like that.
If you havent done it before you will be pleasantly surprised by the potential results.


Thanks, Fred. Unfortunately, I didn't have a polarizer with me on this one. With a little tweaking, I'm sure I can make it look much better. On the Photo Forum suggestion, this would make a great addition to the Off Topic area. Great idea!!  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Avigar on January 26, 2007, 03:54:28 pm

So... is this turning into a show your good photography thread? If so, here's my contribution, taken with my Canon S2IS and then some post processing in Photoshop.

(http://www.jeff-cook.com/images/lucy/IMG_5544.jpg)

Jeff


Very cute. Tha's a terrific shot, Jeff.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 26, 2007, 04:08:56 pm



Very cute. Tha's a terrific shot, Jeff.


Thanks very much Ben!


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: torags v2 on January 26, 2007, 10:31:12 pm



Thanks, Fred. Unfortunately, I didn't have a polarizer with me on this one. With a little tweaking, I'm sure I can make it look much better. On the Photo Forum suggestion, this would make a great addition to the Off Topic area. Great idea!!  :thumbsup:


A polarizer is one of the problems with small cams. You can't get one on them. I had a New Sony T9, with a Zeiss non telescoping lens. The camera fit easily in my shirt pocket.

I photographed a woody boat show on Lake Tahoe. It was a disaster - the glare blew every shot.

I rigged a Rube Goldberg style polarizer for my LX1, that can work on other cams. I'll post a pic if there's any interest.

BTW, the best moto photo site I have found is Pashnit.com. I think this site would benefit from a photo thread as others have suggested.

These photos can inspire you to take bike trips. I went to photograph caverns to test a new low light lens after seeing a bikers photos. It was a great trip 150 miles out to an interesting destination, with nice rural winding roads - a good day.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: XLR8 on January 27, 2007, 12:20:01 am

 

A polarizer is one of the problems with small cams. You can't get one on them. I had a New Sony T9, with a Zeiss non telescoping lens. The camera fit easily in my shirt pocket.

I photographed a woody boat show on Lake Tahoe. It was a disaster - the glare blew every shot.

I rigged a Rube Goldberg style polarizer for my LX1, that can work on other cams. I'll post a pic if there's any interest.

BTW, the best moto photo site I have found is Pashnit.com. I think this site would benefit from a photo thread as others have suggested.

These photos can inspire you to take bike trips. I went to photograph caverns to test a new low light lens after seeing a bikers photos. It was a great trip 150 miles out to an interesting destination, with nice rural winding roads - a good day.


I'm rearranging my stable to combine photography with riding. I'm thinking of getting a KLR 650 so I can get out in the mountains a little more.

Yea I think we should do a MC related photo area. It would work fine as long as people didn't expect to upload them here. We could just do like dpreview does and you have to link to them remotely.

BTW, we've been talking point and shoots. Here's one I took in Italy with a Pentax P&S before I got my Canon XTi - somewhat MC related.  :)

Somewhere around the Cinque Terre
(http://enzo.zenfolio.com/img/p524750430-4.jpg)


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 27, 2007, 02:18:20 am
I should have been more specific- I agree that any images should be remotely linked. My idea for the forum is more along the lines of a knowledge base and help resource.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 27, 2007, 11:05:11 am
I like outdoors photos I am using a point and shoot Sony P73 I bought it for $25. used. Is there a way to adjust it to even take better pic in the settings menu? Heres a example of a pic. The lights in the background are blurry is there a setting I could use to not get something like that?

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/93cfc27f.jpg)

another

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/DSC02725.jpg)


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 27, 2007, 11:08:30 am
Were you using a tripod?


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 27, 2007, 11:18:54 am
No... that could be why? I thought I might have something set wrong in the settings. I made a mount so I can carry a tripod in my trunk on my Wing so I will be ready now.  


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: XLR8 on January 27, 2007, 11:24:51 am
I'm not picking on anyone's photos here except my own but I find that:

Most cameras and lenses are better than most photographers.

Meaning if one wants to become a better photographer, forget equipment analysis and work on composition, exposure, and seeing creatively.

Having said that, the problem I had with my point and shoot was light, creative control, and dynamic range. There's only so much those little sensors can do.

Anyway, my two cents


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 27, 2007, 11:28:01 am
I thought I might have something setup wrong due to me playing with all the controls and maybe hit the wrong button. Adjusted something when I should have left it alone kinda thing.

With this camera I have to learn how to use all the features

(http://content.pricematrix.ru/images/Sony_F828b.jpg)

Heres my everyday camera.

(http://www.dpreview.com/news/0402/PMA/Sony/sony_dscp41-00.jpg)


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: XLR8 on January 27, 2007, 11:31:34 am

No... that could be why? I thought I might have something set wrong in the settings. I made a mount so I can carry a tripod in my trunk on my Wing so I will be ready now.  


You took those at 1/15 of a second at 2.8 aperture. You definitely have some camera shake going on there combined with 2.8 which is the wide end of the lens and usually not the sharpest.

I'm getting one of these to take on my MC photo trips.
http://www.joby.com/


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 27, 2007, 11:34:24 am
This will sound dumb how do you know that?


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: XLR8 on January 27, 2007, 11:35:08 am

I thought I might have something setup wrong due to me playing with all the controls and maybe hit the wrong button. Adjusted something when I should have left it alone kinda thing.


I do that all the time. I look at my pictures later and think, "What was I thinking"

There is a highly regarded book:
Understanding Exposure by Bryan Peterson.

You will be a better photographer after reading it.  :)



Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: XLR8 on January 27, 2007, 11:37:21 am

This will sound dumb how do you know that?


It's not dumb at all. Good question.

I looked at the exif data - there is metadata about the photo contained within. It can tell you a lot. Most photo organizers will show you this data and you can also see it by right clicking the photo and looking in the advanced properties.

I use a browser plug in so I can click on any photo and inspect the exif.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 27, 2007, 11:38:30 am
Where do you find that info on a posted pic?


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: XLR8 on January 27, 2007, 11:42:47 am

Where do you find that info on a posted pic?


If you use Windows

Right click the photo on your desktop --> Summary Tab --> Advanced Button


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: JimWilliamson on January 27, 2007, 11:43:19 am

I should have been more specific- I agree that any images should be remotely linked. My idea for the forum is more along the lines of a knowledge base and help resource.


Why not just start a thread:
Photography: Equipment, Tips & Tricks


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 27, 2007, 11:50:21 am



If you use Windows

Right click the photo on your desktop --> Summary Tab --> Advanced Button


Very cool, I will look into that book.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: XLR8 on January 27, 2007, 11:53:44 am



Very cool, I will look into that book.


It cleared up some stuff for me and helped me translate those settings on my camera. It's excellent. Make sure to get the revised edition

Amazon always trys to secretly sell you old editions. There is a revised edition.
http://www.amazon.com/Understanding-Exposure-Photographs-Digital-Updated/dp/0817463003

OK, headed to Hell's Canyon with a tripod y'all. Not on a bike though - icy roads.  :(


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: birdrunner on January 27, 2007, 11:59:58 am
Back to basics,

As a compromise between Point & Shoot and DSLR,  I bought a Lumix (Panasonic)  DMC FZ20.  It has an EXCELLENT  Leica lense that's better than the cheaped down "brand name" lenses used in the Sony or Canon  point & shoot.  The size is between the point & shoot, and SLR,  as are the controls.

The money in cameras is going to optics, as electronics are getting cheaper and cheaper.  Don't bother with anything higher than a 3x zoom unless theres image stabilization.


I haven't played with any post photo editing, but here's one of my first shots taken with this camera.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 27, 2007, 12:23:45 pm

No... that could be why? I thought I might have something set wrong in the settings. I made a mount so I can carry a tripod in my trunk on my Wing so I will be ready now.  


That would be my (Educated) guess. I dont know if your camera has some kind of stabilization function but even in a situation like that it wouldnt help. A tripod is the ony way to go when shooting low light.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 27, 2007, 12:25:29 pm

I'm not picking on anyone's photos here except my own but I find that:

Most cameras and lenses are better than most photographers.

Meaning if one wants to become a better photographer, forget equipment analysis and work on composition, exposure, and seeing creatively.

Having said that, the problem I had with my point and shoot was light, creative control, and dynamic range. There's only so much those little sensors can do.

Anyway, my two cents


Well said- Here is my shorter version I'll call lesson number 2: You can have the most expensive equipment out there but if the eye behind is isnt worth a crap, you've got nothing.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 27, 2007, 12:29:14 pm



Why not just start a thread:
Photography: Equipment, Tips & Tricks



Because there will be questions about all kinds of different aspects of photography.. It would be like taking all the bikes and grouping them together under one category instead of they saparate ones they have.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 27, 2007, 01:07:36 pm
Maybe this is just bragging rights, I dont know- But its a feeling I think all of us have had at one time or another when looking at that "perfect" image or print.

I've been working on a new series and just ran off a B&W image from my Epson 1800 and when it popped out after workign on the image for what seemed to be hours I looked at the print and said F*CK YEAH!

That, people is what its all about for me.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 27, 2007, 01:19:37 pm
I get that way and my pics are far from perfect, Just the love of photography for me.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Jeff on January 27, 2007, 01:20:23 pm
I know that feeling.  :thumbsup:

So, when are we going to see this F*CK YEAH photo?

Jeff


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 27, 2007, 01:21:29 pm

I get that way and my pics are far from perfect, Just the love of photography for me.


The perfection is in the liking of what you see. The emotional impact to you.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 27, 2007, 01:25:19 pm

I know that feeling.  :thumbsup:

So, when are we going to see this F*CK YEAH photo?

Jeff


Here it is.



Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 27, 2007, 01:25:46 pm



The perfection is in the liking of what you see. The emotional impact to you.


So true


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 27, 2007, 01:26:47 pm



Here it is.




Very cool


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 27, 2007, 01:31:12 pm



Very cool


Thank you.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 27, 2007, 02:44:18 pm
One thing did occur to me. There is one type of instance where I will ask somebody's opinion of one of my images.
If I have two that are similar (Slightly different lighting or angles for example) and I just cant decide which is better
I will ask the opinion of somebody I respect, who understands the process.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Against The Wind on January 28, 2007, 04:47:35 pm
I'm thinking of upgrading my point and shoot. I have a Canon A40 and I'm thinking of the Canon 600 or 630. What do you guys think of them?


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 28, 2007, 05:13:04 pm
Your best resource is here:

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/specs/Canon/

Start there and see if they will do what you want them to do. Once you have that information, you should have a pretty good idea of what direction to go.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: JimWilliamson on January 28, 2007, 06:42:04 pm

I'm thinking of upgrading my point and shoot. I have a Canon A40 and I'm thinking of the Canon 600 or 630. What do you guys think of them?


[post creation edit: I see Canon offers two 630's - SD630 and A630]

I went from the A40 to the A620 which the A630 replaces.

I LOVE the articulating LCD. Every camera should have one (hold it low and look down on the camera, hold it high (above the heads in a crowd) and look up at the LCD, do self shots and flip the LCD towards you). Aside from that the only major change, from the A40, is moving to the SD card type. You can take unlimited length movies (unlike the 20 seconds on the A40). I've been quite happy with the 620's performance and options. I filled the camera with a 1GB SanDisk Extreme III card.

I did have issues with the 620 tho - of which it went in for warranty repair twice (they didn't get all issues fixed the first time so it went right back into the box and back to the depot). I was traveling over in Taiwan & Thailand and there is a significant amount of diesel particulate in the air. It is my belief that the particulate caused problems with the contacts in the articulating LCD's mechanism (the camera was on the handlebars, in the wind, the whole trip). At first the LCD would black out when it was flush with the camera body (so I had to flip it out to have it work) then the LCD wouldn't correctly orient (it flips rightside up as you rotate / un-rotate it). I've not had any issue with it recurring since being back in the Lower 48. I've had the camera almost one year now (6887 photos taken with it).

If you would like some samples, full size, that the 620 produces I'd be happy to make some available.

Jim


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: torags v2 on January 29, 2007, 12:17:43 am
One more from the leg home from Baja........ Salton Sea sunrise.....

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/113938940-S.jpg)



Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 29, 2007, 08:44:13 am

One more from the leg home from Baja........ Salton Sea sunrise.....

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/113938940-S.jpg)




Great shot!


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 29, 2007, 11:37:28 am

One more from the leg home from Baja........ Salton Sea sunrise.....

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/113938940-S.jpg)




I really need more days off of work that photo is awesome..


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Against The Wind on January 29, 2007, 11:40:41 am
Nice assist from the birds.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: Thunder7 on January 29, 2007, 01:55:38 pm

Nice assist from the birds.


It never hurts when nature steps up and helps out  :bigok:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 30, 2007, 09:58:32 pm
Oooh! I just noticed that this is an "Official" thread. I feel so honored to have contributed.  :D

Jeff


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: torags v2 on February 02, 2007, 11:23:51 pm



It never hurts when nature steps up and helps out  :bigok:


Sunsets are nice too (San Francisco today 2/2/07)... Seeing an obsession here?

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/127170728-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 03, 2007, 02:05:30 am
Very nice.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on February 06, 2007, 12:14:35 pm



Sunsets are nice too (San Francisco today 2/2/07)... Seeing an obsession here?

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/127170728-M.jpg)




I too like taking the same pics as you sunrise and sunsets  :thumbsup:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/Texas.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/DSC02725.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 06, 2007, 12:24:58 pm
 :clap:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 06, 2007, 10:54:46 pm
Wow, nice capture in the marina. In SF there is always fog. Our sunsets are before the published time and our full moon rises and sets are perhaps 4-5 per year.

Its really not enough to feed my obsession..........   :(


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on February 06, 2007, 11:41:59 pm

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/Texas.jpg)


LOVE this one. :thumbsup:

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Aero on February 07, 2007, 11:28:15 pm
This sunset was tweaked on my computer to give some vivid colours. The original was OK but I really like the way this one came out.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p146/Aero65/IMG_1199eq_1.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 07, 2007, 11:29:48 pm

This sunset was tweaked on my computer to give some vivid colours. The original was OK but I really like the way this one came out.

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p146/Aero65/IMG_1199eq_1.jpg)


Well done!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: DredheadV2.0 on February 07, 2007, 11:39:36 pm
Hey, now that we have an equipment thread and a methods thread, I'd a thunk the stills and the ways they were produced would be good in the methods thread.  I'm just sayin


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Against The Wind on February 08, 2007, 03:18:57 pm

(http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p146/Aero65/IMG_1199eq_1.jpg)


That's pretty spectacular!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: MontanaNinja on February 17, 2007, 02:18:37 am
Just wanted to thank everybody, I've been researching getting a new higher end digicam for AGES and I finally bit the bullet.  Went with the Cannon S3 IS, hopefully I can document some great rides with great pics now  :bigok:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 17, 2007, 01:15:01 pm

Just wanted to thank everybody, I've been researching getting a new higher end digicam for AGES and I finally bit the bullet.  Went with the Cannon S3 IS, hopefully I can document some great rides with great pics now  :bigok:


good luck. its always nice to know someone benefits from our pissing contests. however this thread has been good ...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 17, 2007, 05:44:33 pm



good luck. its always nice to know someone benefits from our pissing contests. however this thread has been good ...


I didnt think anything here even came close to a pissing contest.  :headscratch:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Aero on February 17, 2007, 05:55:50 pm

I didnt think anything here even came close to a pissing contest.  :headscratch:


Obviously someone hasn't visited the Dungeon lately!  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 17, 2007, 07:14:19 pm



Obviously someone hasn't visited the Dungeon lately!  :lol:


Never been there, due to the sheer lack of interest  :lol:

I was referring to here  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on February 17, 2007, 08:15:00 pm



Never been there, due to the sheer lack of interest  :lol:

I was referring to here  :D


While there's all sorts of urinating going on in PO, I definitely haven't seen any here in this thread. I just find a bunch of great info and great photos, and no one trying to outdo anyone else.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 17, 2007, 08:18:07 pm



While there's all sorts of urinating going on in PO, I definitely haven't seen any here in this thread. I just find a bunch of great info and great photos, and no one trying to outdo anyone else.

Jeff


Exactly. Very well said.   :clap:

I have seen images here that make me pause and think about my own abilities.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: evilmedic13 on February 21, 2007, 10:48:58 am
Since sunrises and sunsets are being shown, how about a nice moonshot?

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/evil54/PICT00212.jpg)

or is this better?
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/evil54/pict0099.jpg)


or a happy bird?
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/evil54/PICT0357.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on February 21, 2007, 11:45:57 am

Since sunrises and sunsets are being shown, how about a nice moonshot?



or is this better?
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/evil54/pict0099.jpg)




I like this one.   :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on February 21, 2007, 11:48:25 am
Here's my full moon:

(http://www.jeff-cook.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/moon.jpg)

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 21, 2007, 03:32:02 pm
I'd show mine but its a little too white for you people.......  :crazy:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on February 21, 2007, 03:34:18 pm

I'd show mine but its a little too white for you people.......  :crazy:


 :crazy:     :hurl:         :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on February 21, 2007, 03:47:50 pm

I'd show mine but its a little too white for you people.......  :crazy:


T.M.I.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 23, 2007, 07:15:11 pm
Nice moon shot Jeff...  In SF we only get full moons 3-4X a year (fog). After seeing yours I get jealous.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on February 23, 2007, 08:48:33 pm

Nice moon shot Jeff...  In SF we only get full moons 3-4X a year (fog). After seeing yours I get jealous.


Thanks torags. I shot that right outside my house. I was pleased with how it came out.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 23, 2007, 09:19:00 pm
OK, you asked for it.....

Taken with my Canon 30D Shutter spd: 1/400, F: 7.1 Spot metered, Lens: 70-200 F4 "L" withmatching 1.4x converter to achieve a 280mm focal length. Tripod mounted, on my deck.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on February 23, 2007, 09:39:22 pm

OK, you asked for it.....

Taken with my Canon 30D Shutter spd: 1/400, F: 7.1 Spot metered, Lens: 70-200 F4 "L" withmatching 1.4x converter to achieve a 280mm focal length. Tripod mounted, on my deck.


WOW. The detail in that makes mine look like total crap!  :eek:

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 23, 2007, 10:12:08 pm



WOW. The detail in that makes mine look like total crap!  :eek:

Jeff


Thanks. It really makes me want an even longer lens.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on February 23, 2007, 11:14:34 pm



Thanks. It really makes me want an even longer lens.



Well, your photo makes me want an SLR and all the fixins! I was pretty proud of what I ended up with, but holy cow... I just can't believe the detail in yours.

FWIW, mine was shot with a Canon S2IS, manually focused to infinity. 1/100 shutter, F8.00 aperture.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 23, 2007, 11:42:51 pm

Thanks. It really makes me want an even longer lens.


I got a Tamron 200/500 recently and it is a canon. 19" long with the lens hood. Its a good lens, but limited use and when I do, its almost impossible to hand hold even at 200mm for a good image. I bought it for the Maverick surf contest and Baja1000, after that I'm not sure what I would use it for, its really long. Rent before you buy, my .02.

BTW nice moon shot.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 24, 2007, 01:40:08 am



I got a Tamron 200/500 recently and it is a canon. 19" long with the lens hood. Its a good lens, but limited use and when I do, its almost impossible to hand hold even at 200mm for a good image. I bought it for the Maverick surf contest and Baja1000, after that I'm not sure what I would use it for, its really long. Rent before you buy, my .02.

BTW nice moon shot.


Good call and thank you. Have you considered a monopod? They were made with lenses like your Tamron in mind.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 24, 2007, 10:20:26 am
I still get a little shake when I squeeze the shutter. The tripod with my wireless remote is the best. But if there is wind, it shakes and the tripod is such a PIA to set up. I just have to learn how to deal with it better.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 25, 2007, 10:40:09 pm

I still get a little shake when I squeeze the shutter. The tripod with my wireless remote is the best. But if there is wind, it shakes and the tripod is such a PIA to set up. I just have to learn how to deal with it better.


A heavier tripod, or hanging a sandbag from the bottom of the center section.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 26, 2007, 06:13:01 pm
Gah.....

Been looking at used, high quality point and shoots just onthe off chance I find one I'd like ot tote around and you know what?

I.....JUST....CANT....DO.....IT  :crazy: (Say it like Shatner would).

Why? Because all it would take is that once in a lifetime shot, captured by something of lesser quality than I'm ised to and I would be kicking myself.

Looks like I'll be carrying my 25 pounds of equipment like I usually do.

Gah.......


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on February 26, 2007, 06:34:27 pm

Gah.....

Been looking at used, high quality point and shoots just onthe off chance I find one I'd like ot tote around and you know what?

I.....JUST....CANT....DO.....IT  :crazy: (Say it like Shatner would).

Why? Because all it would take is that once in a lifetime shot, captured by something of lesser quality than I'm ised to and I would be kicking myself.

Looks like I'll be carrying my 25 pounds of equipment like I usually do.

Gah.......


I don't know think of it as good exercise then.  :cool:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 26, 2007, 06:47:08 pm



I don't know think of it as good exercise then.  :cool:


I have been for years..........  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Nny on February 26, 2007, 07:18:09 pm

I.....JUST....CANT....DO.....IT  :crazy: (Say it like Shatner would).


Not to expose my geekiness here, but um...  That would be Scotty who said that.  The next word in the sentence would be "Cap'n".  So if it were Kirk he'd be talking to himself..  ;)

Anyhow, that said.  I, fortunately don't have that problem.  I don't see the once in a lifetime shots to begin with.   :D So I'm still using my little SD600.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o82/3ebShadow/NacimientoRd/nacimiento2.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 26, 2007, 07:43:11 pm



Not to expose my geekiness here, but um...  That would be Scotty who said that.  The next word in the sentence would be "Cap'n".  So if it were Kirk he'd be talking to himself..  ;)

Anyhow, that said.  I, fortunately don't have that problem.  I don't see the once in a lifetime shots to begin with.   :D So I'm still using my little SD600.



I aint goin' tha geeky route......

Regarding the other thing- The once in a lifetime shot is the one you cant reshoot, the one that when you see the print it makes you go.. f*ck YEAH. I want that shot to be of the highest quality.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Nny on February 26, 2007, 08:01:50 pm

Regarding the other thing- The once in a lifetime shot is the one you cant reshoot, the one that when you see the print it makes you go.. f*ck YEAH. I want that shot to be of the highest quality.


Yep..  That's why you're the photography guy and I'm the computer nerd.  ;)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: XLR8 on February 26, 2007, 08:05:24 pm



Not to expose my geekiness here, but um...  That would be Scotty who said that.  The next word in the sentence would be "Cap'n".  So if it were Kirk he'd be talking to himself..  ;)

Anyhow, that said.  I, fortunately don't have that problem.  I don't see the once in a lifetime shots to begin with.   :D So I'm still using my little SD600.

(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o82/3ebShadow/NacimientoRd/nacimiento2.jpg)


Dude this shot works! Just sharpen and crop a little and you're good. Nice one!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Nny on February 26, 2007, 08:13:53 pm
It's sharper in the original.  I think when I exported it and shrank it to put it online it got "soft".

edit: removed question about composition after finding the "methods" thread.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 26, 2007, 09:15:13 pm



Yep..  That's why you're the photography guy and I'm the computer nerd.  ;)


I'm also in the "nerd" category- 12 years of bitch slappin' PCs' and WinDOZE which is why I own a Mac ;) I could be Apples most vulgar switched commercial, ever.

The only part of the whole angry starving artist thing I want to deal with is a sorely needed diet. :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 26, 2007, 09:16:37 pm

It's sharper in the original.  I think when I exported it and shrank it to put it online it got "soft".

edit: removed question about composition after finding the "methods" thread.


Oh and that is an excellent shot, by the way. You have a good eye.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on February 26, 2007, 10:26:27 pm


The only part of the whole angry starving artist thing I want to deal with is a sorely needed diet. :)


Hahaha... that reminds me of a friend of mine back home. He was a painter (murals and such), had a teenage step son, and they didn't always see eye to eye. He told me one of the times they were arguing, the step son said:

"You're nothing but a fat, starving artist." :lol:

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on February 26, 2007, 10:27:55 pm



Oh and that is an excellent shot, by the way. You have a good eye.


Yeah, I like it too. If your software is smudging it up, you may want to either:

a) Figure out what you're doing wrong
b) If you're not doing anything wrong, look into a different program.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 26, 2007, 10:36:01 pm



Hahaha... that reminds me of a friend of mine back home. He was a painter (murals and such), had a teenage step son, and they didn't always see eye to eye. He told me one of the times they were arguing, the step son said:

"You're nothing but a fat, starving artist." :lol:

Jeff


I'm willing to bet that he stopped and cracked up at that one. Its damned funny!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Mac on February 26, 2007, 10:37:52 pm
I just got a new canon G7 with a gorilla tripod. I haven't played with it too much, but it is looking like a great camera. 10 MP, a good long lens and image stabilisation. Should produce some good pics come my next trip.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 26, 2007, 10:40:46 pm

I just got a new canon G7 with a gorilla tripod. I haven't played with it too much, but it is looking like a great camera. 10 MP, a good long lens and image stabilisation. Should produce some good pics come my next trip.


We are looking forward to seeing some of your images! Have fun, and dont forget- Shoot shoot shoot. You arent wasting film.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Nny on February 26, 2007, 11:15:07 pm

Yeah, I like it too. If your software is smudging it up, you may want to either:

a) Figure out what you're doing wrong
b) If you're not doing anything wrong, look into a different program.


Took a closer look at the photo.  The original is a bit soft too.  Oh well.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on February 26, 2007, 11:20:04 pm

I just got a new canon G7 with a gorilla tripod. I haven't played with it too much, but it is looking like a great camera. 10 MP, a good long lens and image stabilisation. Should produce some good pics come my next trip.


Post your thoughts about the Gorillapod too once you've used it a bit.

Thanks,
Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on February 26, 2007, 11:22:18 pm



Took a closer look at the photo.  The original is a bit soft too.  Oh well.


Bummer. It may not be a F$%# YEAH! photo as Fred puts it :), but it's still a great pic. It'd probably still print alright. And you could even stylize the photo a bit to try to hide the fuzziness. I played with your image for a couple minutes. It still has the softness, but it's just been converted from a mistake to a feature.

Jeff

(http://www.jeff-cook.com/images/pics/coast.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 27, 2007, 01:02:44 am
The "F*ck YEAH" reaction is strictly subjective. Like I've said before- unless paid to shott for somebody, my images are for me- My gratification. It makes me happy when others react positively but my feelings about my imagery dont hinge on it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ZED on February 27, 2007, 01:25:28 am
Nice shot Nny :thumbsup:  The foreground is sharp enough for a reasonable print and the softness in the background just adds to the mist.

I used to do commercial photography and hence have a habit of travelling with a full size DSLR rather than a point and shoot.  I'm curious, has anyone here noticed any adverse effects on lenses or bodies due to the vibration of the bike?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: DredheadV2.0 on February 27, 2007, 02:01:39 am
In regards to the F**k Yeah! shot, I wish I'd had a better camera when I took this:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/76094400_f68b9fc912.jpg)

and this:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/6/76094497_4e4a3be1b9_o.jpg)

They make me smile.  I like night + saturated colors.  But oh, to have the vividness a better camera could provide...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: XLR8 on February 27, 2007, 09:39:45 am

In regards to the F**k Yeah! shot, I wish I'd had a better camera when I took this:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/76094400_f68b9fc912.jpg)

and this:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/6/76094497_4e4a3be1b9_o.jpg)

They make me smile.  I like night + saturated colors.  But oh, to have the vividness a better camera could provide...


I like them ones too! Ooooh.

I'd like to point out one thing about having a better camera that DredheadV2.0 reminded me of. Because of light physics, point and shoots have GREAT depth of field and you can do stuff that you can't do with a more expensive cam.

Many people new to DSLRs including myself a while back are like WTF why is all that shit blurry, I have a $2000 camera! You can certainly manage DOF with a DSLR, but you have to be much more precise and calculating IMO - learn a little about circles of confusion and hyperfocal distance. It's not as bad as it sounds but it's different...and fun!

If any one is interested
http://www.dofmaster.com/hyperfocal.html


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 27, 2007, 09:56:18 am



I like them ones too! Ooooh.

I'd like to point out one thing about having a better camera that DredheadV2.0 reminded me of. Because of light physics, point and shoots have GREAT depth of field and you can do stuff that you can't do with a more expensive cam.

Many people new to DSLRs including myself a while back are like WTF why is all that shit blurry, I have a $2000 camera! You can certainly manage DOF with a DSLR, but you have to be much more precise and calculating IMO.


It has nothing to do with calculations, or physics. Point and shoot cameras have far slower lenses than most of those available for DSLRs'. Slower lens = lower light levels allowed to pass through = better depth of field. The trade off is flexibility and overall image quality.

The great majority of DSLRs out there are far, far superior to point and shoots in the same way as their film based cousins. There is no comparison whatsoever. The only advantage is physical size. Try stuffing a DSLR in your pocket.

Google the term "depth of field" and all kinds of useful information comes up. Most camera manuals will have an explanation as well.

I certainly dont mean this to be offensive, but your WTF came from a lack of experience and not reading the manual.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: XLR8 on February 27, 2007, 10:06:01 am



It has nothing to do with calculations, or physics. Point and shoot cameras have far slower lenses than most of those available for DSLRs'. Slower lens = lower light levels allowed to pass through = better depth of field. The trade off is flexibility and overall image quality.

The great majority of DSLRs out there are far, far superior to point and shoots in the same way as their film based cousins. There is no comparison whatsoever. The only advantage is physical size. Try stuffing a DSLR in your pocket.

Google the term "depth of field" and all kinds of useful information comes up. Most camera manuals will have an explanation as well.

I certainly dont mean this to be offensive, but your WTF came from a lack of experience and not reading the manual.


Thunder7, you come off as a bit of a know it all just so you know.

I stick to what I said earlier because I know I am correct. If you study slow vs. fast lenses, sensor sizes and all that you'll understand that it all does indeed come down to the physics of light my friend. It all happens because of the physics of light.

Here's another interesting read on the subject.
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/understanding-series/dof.shtml

Yea you are right, some people like to go with a gut feel on this stuff, kinda like a "pinch of salt" when cooking. Others like to get out the charts and PDAs and really be precise. Either way, it's something a photographer needs to be aware of.

My WTF experience when I got my DSLR was indeed lack of experience with a DSLR although there's not much in the manual to prepare one for the differences between the two types of cams - differences so great that you even point them out yourself. Thanks for putting me in my place though.  :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 27, 2007, 10:24:00 am
Now this is a pissing contest....   :lol:

My contribution (not for you two - but for the rest). Depth of field cuts two ways. Sometimes you want it sometimes you don't. P&S cams are weak in the control of it - DSLR lens choice can control it.

Taking a landscape shot you want it. Taking a subject 10 -15' away you probably don't.  The subject can be sharp and the background blurred (no depth of field) making the subject pop and look 3D.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: XLR8 on February 27, 2007, 10:26:12 am

Now this is a pissing contest....   :lol:



Not at all. I don't care that much to debate it. Everyone has their own approach and understanding and that's the way it should be. And there's no hard feelings whatsoever. We are just talking and being honest.  :bigok:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 27, 2007, 10:32:26 am

Now this is a pissing contest....   :lol:

My contribution (not for you two - but for the rest). Depth of field cuts two ways. Sometimes you want it sometimes you don't. P&S cams are weak in the control of it - DSLR lens choice can control it.

Taking a landscape shot you want it. Taking a subject 10 -15' away you probably don't.  The subject can be sharp and the background blurred (no depth of field) making the subject pop and look 3D.


I have no interest in a pissing contest. Any more of a comment here will be as misinterpreted as my being a know it all.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on February 27, 2007, 10:59:06 am



I ain't goin' tha geeky route......

Regarding the other thing- The once in a lifetime shot is the one you cant reshoot, the one that when you see the print it makes you go.. f*ck YEAH. I want that shot to be of the highest quality.


Fred what do you bring when we ride? I just put Ram mounts on so I can bring a camcorder along when we do the kettle twisties but the only problem now I will have is keeping up with you guys  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on February 27, 2007, 11:01:29 am

In regards to the F**k Yeah! shot, I wish I'd had a better camera when I took this:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/76094400_f68b9fc912.jpg)

and this:

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/6/76094497_4e4a3be1b9_o.jpg)

They make me smile.  I like night + saturated colors.  But oh, to have the vividness a better camera could provide...


Dred those look awesome.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 27, 2007, 01:05:02 pm



Fred what do you bring when we ride? I just put Ram mounts on so I can bring a camcorder along when we do the kettle twisties but the only problem now I will have is keeping up with you guys  :D


I never shoot while riding. I dont do video so its not an issue. When I have my equipment wiht meits generally my full kit, stashed in my Givi topbox.

Regarding keeping up with us- The new GL1800 can outrun or at least keep up with many smaller, allegedly faster bikes. Take your time and get comfortable with yorus and you will see. The way I used to take twisties on my GL1200 left moron squids asking me if I scraped the heads. Your 'Wing handles far better than my old one did and is much, much faster.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 27, 2007, 01:23:39 pm
While riding technique... A poster on a forum shoots while riding without a mount. Since all cams are made for right hand holds, he shoots upside down, with his left hand (post processing can flip it). Pretty bright idea it seems to me.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 28, 2007, 12:00:42 pm
This one we'll call: "Putting things in perspective."

I was at one of my two suppliers yesterday morning picking up some background paper for an afternoon shoot
and there were a couple of other people in the store. One of the salespeople wheels out this cart with a Canon
box on it. The box was about two feet long, about 10 inches x 10 inches wide and high.

In it was Canon's "L" series 500mm IS super telephoto lens, complete with its own road case.

In the customer's hands was a brand new (For him) Canon EOS 1ds MKII.

So, how much did he spend that day, you ask?

Camera body: $6888.19 (List is $7999.00)
Lens: $5549.99 (List was just over $6000.00)

I think I might have had a slight case of inadequacy going on yesterday morning..........  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on February 28, 2007, 12:06:58 pm


In it was Canon's "L" series 500mm IS super telephoto lens, complete with its own road case.

In the customer's hands was a brand new (For him) Canon EOS 1ds MKII.



:drool:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on February 28, 2007, 12:42:47 pm

This one we'll call: "Putting things in perspective."

I was at one of my two suppliers yesterday morning picking up some background paper for an afternoon shoot
and there were a couple of other people in the store. One of the salespeople wheels out this cart with a Canon
box on it. The box was about two feet long, about 10 inches x 10 inches wide and high.

In it was Canon's "L" series 500mm IS super telephoto lens, complete with its own road case.

In the customer's hands was a brand new (For him) Canon EOS 1ds MKII.

So, how much did he spend that day, you ask?

Camera body: $6888.19 (List is $7999.00)
Lens: $5549.99 (List was just over $6000.00)


I think I might have had a slight case of inadequacy going on yesterday morning..........  :D


Wow that's more then what I paid for my bike  :crazy:  But very cool I will have to add  :cool:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on February 28, 2007, 01:33:21 pm
Just brought to mind something.  Back in 1990 Nikon came out with a 1200-1700mm f/5.6-8 EDIF lens at Photokina.  Became a special order item in 1993 for the bargain sum of $75,000.  They say there are about 12 of these beasts out there.

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/jfbryan/12001700.jpg)

35" long, 35.5 lbs.

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/jfbryan/12001700mmview.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 28, 2007, 02:57:21 pm
Does it have VR (or IS)....

 :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 28, 2007, 11:29:22 pm

Does it have VR (or IS)....

 :lol:


Nope- Not even Autofocus. Back then Nikon used a similar focus drive system as Minolta- A small moto and cam system linked to a corresponding socket in the lens mount and drove the lens focus. At the time Canon was the only manufacturer that was using a motor internal to the lens if I recall. There was no way that the little motor could turn the mechanism of such a beast.

Oh and here is a link to some good info on the lens:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/nikon/nikkoresources/zoomsMF/12001700mm.htm


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Aero on March 01, 2007, 02:41:07 pm

Just brought to mind something.  Back in 1990 Nikon came out with a 1200-1700mm f/5.6-8 EDIF lens at Photokina.  Became a special order item in 1993 for the bargain sum of $75,000.  They say there are about 12 of these beasts out there.

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/jfbryan/12001700.jpg)

35" long, 35.5 lbs.

(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a72/jfbryan/12001700mmview.jpg)


I wouldn't like to try to hand-hold that one! And any tripod would have to be built like the Bay Bridge too. Serious and very specialised stuff...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: vitaminC on March 01, 2007, 04:27:38 pm

We are looking forward to seeing some of your images! Have fun, and dont forget- Shoot shoot shoot. You arent wasting film.


+1000  That was one of the biggest challenges for me when switching from film to digital. My GF is still struggling to make the transition- though I keep reminding her  :D

I had a lot of "deletes" to get this one:

(http://vitaminc.smugmug.com/photos/72099444-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 01, 2007, 04:36:29 pm
Nice capture. Was that from a P&S? Jeeze... Good Bokeh (thats cool photog talk.... )

The background is a good example of "thin" depth of field.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: vitaminC on March 01, 2007, 04:54:22 pm

Nice capture. Was that from a P&S?

Thanks. Not a P&S- I use a D70. This was taken not long after getting the camera, so I was taking lots pics just experimenting with different settings and combinations.

Quote

Good Bokeh (thats cool photog talk.... )


I had to look that one up!  :D  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on March 01, 2007, 05:16:07 pm



+1000  That was one of the biggest challenges for me when switching from film to digital. My GF is still struggling to make the transition- though I keep reminding her  :D

I had a lot of "deletes" to get this one:

(http://vitaminc.smugmug.com/photos/72099444-M.jpg)


That's one of the coolest nature/animal photos I've ever seen!
Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: vitaminC on March 01, 2007, 05:42:09 pm

That's one of the coolest nature/animal photos I've ever seen!
Jeff


Thanks! The lighting was a bit of luck and patience, but for the birds the trick was hanging out near my parents collection of feeders- when those hummers are hungry they don't care who's around!  :lol:

(http://vitaminc.smugmug.com/photos/72099464-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 01, 2007, 06:32:11 pm



+1000  That was one of the biggest challenges for me when switching from film to digital. My GF is still struggling to make the transition- though I keep reminding her  :D

I had a lot of "deletes" to get this one:



1: GREAT SHOTS!
2: You're not using film anymore. Shoot shoot shoot.(Oops- already told you that one )


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: SWriverstone on March 02, 2007, 11:54:47 pm
Great thread! I have the Canon PowerShot S2, and love it. I was particularly sold on the S2/S3's great 12x optical zoom, which has allowed me to get shots like this squirrel—which was about 15 feet away...

(http://www.shadepine.com/moto/squirrel.jpg)

...and this house wren, about 10 feet away...

(http://www.shadepine.com/moto/wren.jpg)

As I think Jim Williamson mentioned, the flip-out LCD on the S2/S3 is a really great tool for getting shots like this (taken with the camera at ground level and using the flip-out LCD to compose the shot without lying in the snow)...

(http://www.shadepine.com/moto/rudbeckia.jpg)

And finally, there are lots of accessories for the S2/S3, such as a nice macro lens that I played with to shoot some snowflakes on the back porch at night...

(http://www.shadepine.com/moto/snowflakes_01.jpg)

BTW, for any PowerShot S2/S3 owners, the Lensmate barrel adapter/protector is a MUST-have for this camera:

(http://www.shadepine.com/moto/lensmate_adapter.jpg)

This is basically a guard that you mount on the camera permanently—it protects the extending/retracting lens mechanism and gives you an SLR-like way to hold the camera by the lens with your left hand.

You can get it at the Lensmate site here:
http://www.lensmateonline.com/newsite/S2.html
This same site has a bunch of other great accessories (filters, macro lenses, straps, etc.).

Scott


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 03, 2007, 12:08:31 am
Excellent info and great images!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on March 03, 2007, 06:28:51 pm
It's especially great info since that's the same camera I have!
Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 03, 2007, 07:28:24 pm
SWriverstone those are sweet images.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 15, 2007, 08:41:17 am
Quiet over hear too. :crazy:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 15, 2007, 10:07:11 am

Quiet over hear too. :crazy:


I'm sure when theres something worth posting it will pick up.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 15, 2007, 11:09:28 am
I know patience but I always looked forward to this section  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 15, 2007, 02:40:33 pm

I know patience but I always looked forward to this section  :D


Yep


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 15, 2007, 03:32:11 pm
OK, how abotu this- Does anybody remember SV? Still Video? The analog predecessor to digital stills?

I was checking out a pawn shop around the corner from a branch of my bank and there it was, sitting right in the front window!

A Canon XAPSHOT, from back in the late 80s'!

Pixel count in the HUNDREDS (786, Horizontal) and images recorded onto a 2" floppy disk, commonly known as a Video Floppy or, VF for short.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 15, 2007, 03:40:47 pm
Looks pretty slick Fred, how much were they asking. I am buying and selling cameras all the time people at work almost give their cameras away.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 15, 2007, 03:48:16 pm

Looks pretty slick Fred, how much were they asking. I am buying and selling cameras all the time people at work almost give their cameras away.


I didnt even bother asking. Finding the floppies would be nerve racking at best.

Here is a link with more info on the format and cameras:

http://www.digicamhistory.com/1988.html


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Hoss on March 21, 2007, 08:53:22 am
Here is a question for the gurus. I have the opportunity to pick up a Nikon D100 body, what would be a good choice for an "all around" lens? I'll be noob photo guy in status for a while, but here is hoping I can get better  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 21, 2007, 09:11:49 am

Here is a question for the gurus. I have the opportunity to pick up a Nikon D100 body, what would be a good choice for an "all around" lens? I'll be noob photo guy in status for a while, but here is hoping I can get better  :D


The D100 is an excellent start. Avoid Sigma lenses at all costs. Even free their lenses are still junk. As far as what lens to start with really is dependent on what you want to shoot. If you are looking to shoot anything action related, you will need a "fast" lens- Meaning wth a maximum aperture of 2.8. Long zoomz shoudl be avoided due to a few things, mainly slowness (Inability to capture action) due to higher minimum aperture (Usually 4.5-5.6) and inferior optical quaility due to the very nature of the lenses construction. Also consider image stabilization (I dont recall what name Nikon uses) if your plan is to shoot any action.

Your best bet is to go for two lenses. First being something along the lines of a 24-85mm, the second being in the 75 or 100 to 300mm category. Although I would avoid Nikon's newest line of low-end optics, the range just above should prove beyond satisfactory.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on March 21, 2007, 09:33:39 am
Like Fred said, depends on what kind of shooting you'll be doing.  I will disagree with him a bit though.  Nikon's AFS 18-200 VR lens (f3.5-5.6G DX IF-ED) is a very nice piece of glass.  Not cheap and hard to find but very nice. The 18-55 is also a pretty decent bit of kit.  Third party lenses, I tend to lean towards Tokina.
Nice site for good info on Nikon stuff (and stuff for Nikon's) is Ken Rockwell's site, http://www.kenrockwell.com/index.htm.  Go to his "technical" section and that will take you all sorts of useful links on equipment.  Some folks (actually lots of folks) don't like Ken because he pretty much tells it like it is.  He buys his own equipment and reviews it and if it is s*&%t he says so.  Heck, he even uses some Canon stuff these days.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on March 21, 2007, 09:47:14 am
Just to put another $.02 in.....Don't know what kind of deal you've got working on the D100 but if it makes sense dollar wise I'd go with either a used D70S of a new D40 (skip the D40X).  Either is a better camera than the D100 and you can get a new D40 with the 18-55 lens for under $600.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Hoss on March 21, 2007, 10:36:09 am
For whatever reason, I was under the impression that the D100 was a little further up on the food scale from the D40 but discontinued for another model.

It's just another case of me leaping, and then looking I suppose. When I purchase the lens, I'll still be a bit cheaper then then new D40. But newer is always better  :crazy:

Ah well, both cameras should be more then what ability level can handle at this point anyway. Should be a fun learning experiance  :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 21, 2007, 10:38:44 am

Like Fred said, depends on what kind of shooting you'll be doing.  I will disagree with him a bit though.  Nikon's AFS 18-200 VR lens (f3.5-5.6G DX IF-ED) is a very nice piece of glass.  Not cheap and hard to find but very nice. The 18-55 is also a pretty decent bit of kit.  Third party lenses, I tend to lean towards Tokina.
Nice site for good info on Nikon stuff (and stuff for Nikon's) is Ken Rockwell's site, http://www.kenrockwell.com/index.htm.  Go to his "technical" section and that will take you all sorts of useful links on equipment.  Some folks (actually lots of folks) don't like Ken because he pretty much tells it like it is.  He buys his own equipment and reviews it and if it is s*&%t he says so.  Heck, he even uses some Canon stuff these days.


John knows Nikon equipment far better than I do- If he recommends those lenses then I would take his advice. Agreed on Tokina for the alternative.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on March 21, 2007, 10:53:03 am
I'll take it that you already got the D100  :)
It's not a bad camera.  I've got one serving as back up to my D200 and I still shoot with it if I'm carrying two bodies.  Technically the D70 replaced the D100 (well actually I guess technically the D200 replaced it but it is truly in a different league from the the D100) and the D80 replaced the D70.  The D40 is 6.1 MP just like the D100 but benefits from better metering and a larger LCD.  It also utilizes i-TTL for the flash as opposed to the D-TTL system of the D100.  The drawback to the D40 is that you have to use AFS lenses as there is no focus drive in the camera body.
The D100 will work just fine for you.  I've gotten plenty of good images out of mine.  Digital cameras are just like any other electronic devices these days, 6 months after they come out they're obsolete.  Speaking of which, I wish Nikon would hurry up and introduce the D3 so's I can get a good deal on a D2  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Hoss on March 21, 2007, 11:05:34 am
Yeah, right after I posted the original message I pulled the trigger on the D100. I came here knowing you guys knew a thing or 2 in hopes of acting quick so the camera would not be spoken for like the last few I've found :bigok:  

We'll see

Should be fun, I can already hear a friend yelling about the rule of thirds. Except I can blame my point and shoot as my excuse anymore lol.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 21, 2007, 11:08:42 am

..... I wish Nikon would hurry up and introduce the D3 so's I can get a good deal on a D2  :D


John,

My pro friend and I went to Calument yesterday because they said they had one hell of a deal on a D2H(s?) for him and it turned out to be a B-Stock for only $100.00 less than B&H was selling new ones for.

He didnt buy it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on March 21, 2007, 11:11:48 am
Yeah, I figure when the D3 comes out all the guys that just have to have the latest and greatest will dump their D2 bodies.  I'm also hearing great things about the Fuji S5 which will go new for about what I'll end up paying for a good used D2.  We'll see.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on March 21, 2007, 11:12:50 am
Fred...I just looked at your post again.  I've concluded that it is an out and out fabrication.   You don't have any friends  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on March 21, 2007, 12:29:11 pm
Well I'll add some more stuff. I've been messing around with the Cannon S3 IS I bought a couple months ago. I wanted something smaller and not as advanced as an SLR but I wanted zoom and the option of shutter priority and aperture priority modes. I want to learn how these things work together. Right when I think the relationship of shutter and aperture makes sense to me I go to take a picture and don't really know what setting I should use to get my desired result. Most of the time I don't even know what my desired result is except for looking good, unique, or making it not look like a 3 year old took it.

(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/124410836-M.jpg)
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/124415738-M.jpg)
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/135259736-M.jpg)
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/124413132-M.jpg)

So what could I have done better or differently in these photos?  :thumbsup: :thumbsdown:



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on March 21, 2007, 12:31:19 pm
And now I notice there's a photography methods thread. whoops:p


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Hoss on March 21, 2007, 01:53:00 pm
Does anyone know if the new 18-50mm Nikon Lens will work on the D100 with AF? I see a lot of these that came with a D40 kit for sale fairly cheap never been used. But ,I know the drive motor is in the lens and not the camera as in the D100, correct?

Sorry for the nub-like questions  :bigok:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 21, 2007, 02:01:15 pm

Does anyone know if the new 18-50mm Nikon Lens will work on the D100 with AF? I see a lot of these that came with a D40 kit for sale fairly cheap never been used. But ,I know the drive motor is in the lens and not the camera as in the D100, correct?

Sorry for the nub-like questions  :bigok:



This thread started partially due to people needing advice and answers. Nobody ever stated that it was limited to professionals and the like. No apology necessary at all.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on March 21, 2007, 02:04:30 pm
Yes it will work on the D100.  AFS lenses like the 18-55 have the focus motors in the lens (that's what the "S" designation means).  Makes for faster focusing.  AF bodies like the D100, D200, D1 and D2 can use either AF or AFS lenses.  I believe the D40 is the only AF body that can't use AF lenses.  You have to use AFS lenses with it as there is no focus motor on the body.  The 18-55 is also a DX lens which means it only works properly on digital bodies.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Hoss on March 21, 2007, 02:11:16 pm
Quote
Yes it will work on the D100.  AFS lenses like the 18-55 have the focus motors in the lens (that's what the "S" designation means).  Makes for faster focusing.  AF bodies like the D100, D200, D1 and D2 can use either AF or AFS lenses.  I believe the D40 is the only AF body that can't use AF lenses.  You have to use AFS lenses with it as there is no focus motor on the body.  The 18-55 is also a DX lens which means it only works properly on digital bodies.


Ok, thats what I was hoping the answer was going to be. Thanks for the fast and friendly help guys. Hopefully, I'll see you in the "methods" thread soon!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on March 21, 2007, 02:21:13 pm



Ok, thats what I was hoping the answer was going to be. Thanks for the fast and friendly help guys. Hopefully, I'll see you in the "methods" thread soon!


You should start by shooting photos of the wicked 675 that's in your avatar.
Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Hoss on March 22, 2007, 07:24:23 am
Quote
You should start by shooting photos of the wicked 675 that's in your avatar.
Jeff


That's the plan.  :bigok:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 23, 2007, 10:35:44 am



That's the plan.  :bigok:


The cool thing about motorcycles is that there are all kinds of great angles to shoot from. Detail, scenic, and then some.

Here are two examples:

In the Daytona shot, I wanted to capture what I felt was the spirit of the bike. The other one is my Trophy, shot at night with the parking lights on. I decided I liked it in B&W and also did away with the shadow using Photoshop. Kind of looks like its floating there, just waiting to be ridden.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 23, 2007, 11:35:39 am
Good Morning...

SF style sunrise (inverted)..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/138049253-M.jpg)

A little later...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/138049269-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on March 23, 2007, 11:51:10 am



A little later...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/138049269-M.jpg)


 :clap: Excellent!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 23, 2007, 01:56:32 pm
thanks Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: garry on April 01, 2007, 09:55:27 pm
Any opinions on the Canon A570 IS? I need to upgrade from a simple 3.1 MP P&S Kodak 6430 that has served me well. Camera is getting a little flaky and I need a higher res photo for submission to a newsprint moto mag (6 MP minimum). I like that 570 has manual control available should I learn how to take advantage of them. So it's a P&S with some extra features.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ZED on April 01, 2007, 11:54:26 pm
I haven't used that particular one, but I have used a cannon P/S with IS and it actually works! :thumbsup:  I think the A570IS would likely be a good camera to stick in the tank bag when you don't want to carry a real camera.  (I use a Nikon D200 because I don't like the sharpening alorythms used by the P/S. Most people likely won't notice the difference.)

Likely worth a try.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on April 02, 2007, 09:40:58 am
Here you go...
http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/compacts/a570.htm


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 02, 2007, 10:30:47 am

Any opinions on the Canon A570 IS? I need to upgrade from a simple 3.1 MP P&S Kodak 6430 that has served me well. Camera is getting a little flaky and I need a higher res photo for submission to a newsprint moto mag (6 MP minimum). I like that 570 has manual control available should I learn how to take advantage of them. So it's a P&S with some extra features.


I almost bought that camera. I went with the S2IS instead because I wanted the big zoom. The 570 seemed like a very good P&S.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 02, 2007, 12:05:34 pm
Good Morning...

Thought I'd take the bike to the wetlands this morning. This is what I got...

Sunrise - Foster City CA

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/140541711-M.jpg)

San Mateo Bridge  at daybreak

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/140541287-M.jpg)

The gray whale

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/140541790-M.jpg)





Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: garry on April 02, 2007, 12:12:26 pm

Here you go...
http://www.kenrockwell.com/canon/compacts/a570.htm


I found that link yesterday. Sounds like he really likes the camera but prefers the SD800 IS because it does better wide angle, but it doesn't offer manual control. The 570 is also a bunch cheaper. I do think the 28-105 effective zoom on the 800 would be better for the scenery shots. Trying to stay at/under $250 if I can. NewEgg has the 570 IS for $255 including a 1 GB memory card.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Hoss on April 03, 2007, 08:23:44 pm
I get what look like dust blobs (very similar to a projector) when I shoot the sky. So from what I can tell, it's a dirty sensor

So what about sensor cleaning for a D100 or similar camera? Any products/techniques preferred? Something I should take to a shop due to risk factor?

I was reading some here: http://www.pbase.com/copperhill/ccd_cleaning


Thanks all for any help.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ZED on April 03, 2007, 09:07:14 pm
I used to have that problem before someone showed my how to clean it myself.  At that time I was shooting commercially and couldn't be without the camera for the 6 weeks that Nikon would take to do the job.

Just glancing at it, that site looks like it has some good information.  I use the PecPads and a sticky stick to grab the particles.  An important point to note is that you should plug the camera into your AC supply when you are doing this or you *may* zap your sensor.

To help prevent this you can note the following:
1.  rubber gasketed lenses help.
2.  make sure to have the camera OFF when you change lenses, otherwise the charge on the sensor can create a static charge on the sensor filter and attract more dust.
3.  avoid changing lenses.  This used to be tough, but not it's easy.  On my Nikon I use the magical 18-200 zoom unless I'm using my 10-20 zoom or my macro lense.

Good luck!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 05, 2007, 10:36:56 pm
I'm actually going to pay to have mine done as I am deathly afraid of screwing up my sensor.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 08, 2007, 12:28:56 am
Lake Tahoe ski day; thats Heavenly Valley ski trails springing from BMW...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/141931313-M.jpg)

La Strada...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/141931453-M.jpg)

Sand Harbor NP:

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/141931518-M.jpg)

Early spring stream shot...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/141931384-M.jpg)

Passive lake...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/141931347-M.jpg)

Storm comin'

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/141931688-M.jpg)





Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Hoss on April 08, 2007, 12:00:03 pm
(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/141931347-M.jpg)
 :bigok:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 08, 2007, 04:08:25 pm
Nice photos


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Against The Wind on April 09, 2007, 08:34:36 pm
What do you guys think of the Panasonic (Lumix) LZ7 models? Remember I'm strictly a point and shoot guy.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 09, 2007, 09:36:45 pm

What do you guys think of the Panasonic (Lumix) LZ7 models? Remember I'm strictly a point and shoot guy.


I was thisclose to getting a Panasonic camera instead of my Canon S2IS. Check out reviews at imaging-resource.com, dpreview.com and others to help you in your decision.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Maltese_Wizard on April 12, 2007, 06:22:53 am
Hi All,

I took these shots with my P&S Sony Cybershot DSC600 (?) whilst travelling Belgium and NE France this weekend, I had the chance of some great shots but my camera's (and possibly my) ability combined let me down I feel.. The objects in the images just aren't crisp enough in my opinion... especially when shown in their natural size.

So, I'm looking to spend around £500 on a D-SLR camera that I'm hoping with a bit of practice, will help me do this... I want one that I can P&S as well as adjust shutter times etc mannually and obviously being a beginner, need one that's fairly user friendly. From reading this thread my initial thoughts are the Canon S3IS but I don't know what to compare when looking at other models really, can you give me your thoughts please.

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/Maltese_Wizard/Belgium/019LeopoldCanal-NorthEastBelgium.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/Maltese_Wizard/Belgium/024Brugge-NorthBelgium.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/Maltese_Wizard/Belgium/032Brugge-NorthBelgium.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/Maltese_Wizard/Belgium/044HeadingSouthTowardsNamur-SouthBe.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/Maltese_Wizard/Belgium/037Brugge-NorthBelgium.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/Maltese_Wizard/Belgium/073LunchStopjustoutsideEstreeWamin-.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/Maltese_Wizard/Belgium/077LunchStopjustoutsideEstreeWamin-.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/Maltese_Wizard/Belgium/087ViaductinWimereux-NorthFrance.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/Maltese_Wizard/Belgium/093SunsetOverBoulogne-Sur-MerBeach-.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/Maltese_Wizard/Belgium/098Boulogne-Sur-Mer-NorthFrance.jpg)

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s74/Maltese_Wizard/Belgium/104EarlyMorningHeadingNorthfromWime.jpg)

Thanks & hope you can help.
Rob


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 12, 2007, 07:51:58 am
Neat photos.

First, realize that the Canon S3IS is not a DSLR. It's a P&S with a huge zoom.

Both Canon and Nikon make good DSLR's that are for the budget minded. I've no idea what camera's are going for in the UK, but since Google says that's about $984 USD you should definitely be able to get something that suits your needs.

If the S3 is something you're really interested in know this. I have the S2IS, and while it does a pretty good job, it is terrible in low light conditions. You need to crank up the ISO in order to avoid using the flash, and when the ISO is 200 or 400 the noise in the photos makes the photos essentially unusable.

A coworker has the Canon Digital Rebel XT (350D I believe) and the kit 18-55 lens. He's taken indoor low light photos with the ISO at 1600 and it was far more usable than anything I've shot with ISO 200.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Maltese_Wizard on April 12, 2007, 08:30:37 am
Thanks Jeff,

is there actually such thing as a DSLR that also does P&S or with a DSLR do i really need to know what i'm doing? All this talk of ISO, Apperture, DOF etc is scaring me a little, do i need to learn this thoroughly before purchasing a good DSLR camera?

Rob


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ZED on April 12, 2007, 09:25:25 am
You may wish to look at the Cannon Point and Shoots that have IS.  Having image stability may make the difference you're looking for.  The SD800IS is tiny to pack on a motorcycle, easy to use, does a decent job (keep in mind I'm a Nikon snob here) and the IS actually works!

Getting into the DSLR stuff you're talking a little bit more money and they're bulky by comparison.  The  Nikon D40 is fairly small and easy to use.  The kit lense seems pretty good.  With either Nikon or Cannon DSLRs you'd have to get an IS (Cannon) or VR (Nikon) lense to have the image stability.  Lot's of options there, just more cost.

I'm a bit of a wingnut.  I travel with a heavy Nikon D200 and the magic 18-200 VR (vibration reduction) lense.  That means bulky and heavy.  I expect most people would be very happy with a good Cannon P/S.  The only think with a P/S (any brand) is that things get ugly in a hurry as the ISO goes up.

Good luck.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 12, 2007, 10:11:10 am
Maltese_Wizard,

Clearly you have a great eye. Those shots prove it.

Should you choose to go the DSLR route then I second the recommendation on the Canon Digital Rebel which the latest version in your neck of the woods I believe is the 400D. You may be able to still get a 350D as well. I dont know at how much savings though. The lower end Nikons are good as well, but I dont know them nearly as well as I know Canons.

Any of the DSLRs' can be set to just point and shoot. The advantages are having that capability to go much further when you're ready, just by changing settings. Go to any reputable camera shop and a good salesperson will be able to show you exactly how.

If you get one of the more sophisticated point and shoot models you will be happy for a time but when it comes time for that next step, you will find out its limitations rather quickly. From the images you've shown here and what you are talking about I believe that your next step should be a DSLR.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 12, 2007, 11:03:22 am
I wholeheartedly agree with Fred here.

FWIW, again my camera is a Canon S2IS. I wanted a DSLR but couldn't afford it. My wife wanted a compact P&S. We compromised and got the S2. It's a good camera, but IMO the noise at higher ISO makes it a poor choice for low light conditions (think indoors and not right next to a window). It's also bulkier than my wife wanted. So really, it doesn't do what either of us wanted.

For a P&S I like the S2. But I don't want a P&S, I want a DSLR.

One other advantage to a DSLR is the aperture range on a lens. You could go from f2.8 or 3.5 all the way to f22. There is some flexibility, but nowhere near that much on a P&S.

If you can afford it, get a DSLR.
Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 12, 2007, 03:53:53 pm
You might like to consider a Nikon D40 with a 18-55mm zoom lens. It sells for $549 US.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=pagination&A=nextPage&Q=&catId=1082&compareCatId=1082&shs=&ci=1082&ac=&al=0&mnp=0.0&mxp=0.0&cmpsrch=&cltp=&clsgr=&bl=2&sb=bs%2Cupper%28ds%29&sq=asc&fi=all&pn=3

It's a small body dslr, that can fit the different lenses  


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Maltese_Wizard on April 13, 2007, 08:27:31 am
Ok, i've done a load of research and that along with all your recommendations lead me down to 4 cameras:

Canon EOS 400D
Nikon D200
Nikon D80
Nikon D40X

I have since narrowed these 4 down to two:

Nikon D40X & Nikon D200

The D200 is £1100 with standard lens and the D40X is considerably cheaper at £600.

Do you think it's worth spending almost double on the D200? Do you think picture quality will differ or i'll be annoyed i didn't get it in a couple of years?



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 13, 2007, 08:40:50 am

Ok, i've done a load of research and that along with all your recommendations lead me down to 4 cameras:

Canon EOS 400D
Nikon D200
Nikon D80
Nikon D40X

I have since narrowed these 4 down to two:

Nikon D40X & Nikon D200

The D200 is £1100 with standard lens and the D40X is considerably cheaper at £600.

Do you think it's worth spending almost double on the D200? Do you think picture quality will differ or i'll be annoyed i didn't get it in a couple of years?






No matter which camera you get, in a couple of years you will be wanting the next best thing. Once you fall down the rabbit hole it just gets deeper ;)

Between the two and if money is not that much of an issue I would go with the D200. Expandability is your friend.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ZED on April 13, 2007, 09:21:01 am

Ok, i've done a load of research and that along with all your recommendations lead me down to 4 cameras:

Canon EOS 400D
Nikon D200
Nikon D80
Nikon D40X

I have since narrowed these 4 down to two:

Nikon D40X & Nikon D200

The D200 is £1100 with standard lens and the D40X is considerably cheaper at £600.

Do you think it's worth spending almost double on the D200? Do you think picture quality will differ or i'll be annoyed i didn't get it in a couple of years?


If money and wheight are not an issue, go with the D200.  It is the nicest to use digital camera I have ever held.  The controls are actually well thought out.  Picture quality will be about the same.   The advantages of the D200 is usability and features.  Either camera can produce a picture suitable for printing at 14"x21".  How much bigger do you want to go anyway.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Maltese_Wizard on April 13, 2007, 10:36:44 am

Cheers for your help... One last question if I may. Do you think the D200 will be able to P&S as well as the D40X or will I need to have more in-depth knowledge of ISO's, 'f's, appertures etc? or should i know all this anyway in your opinion?



(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/141931518-M.jpg)


Hoss, by the way, I absolutely love that shot... Fantastic..


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 13, 2007, 10:39:15 am


Cheers for your help... One last question if I may. Do you think the D200 will be able to P&S as well as the D40X or will I need to have more in-depth knowledge of ISO's, 'f's, appertures etc? or should i know all this anyway in your opinion?




Hoss, by the way, I absolutely love that shot... Fantastic..


Honestly you should know it anyway.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on April 13, 2007, 10:58:09 am
You can use the D200 in Program mode and set the ISO to Auto.  That pretty much makes it a big honkin' P&S.  :)


Title: Re: New Tamron AF 18-250mm F/3.5-6.3 Di II digital lens
Post by: Avigar on April 13, 2007, 05:08:31 pm
It's suppose to be a light and compact all around travel lens. What have you heard?   :thumbsup: or  :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 13, 2007, 06:31:42 pm

Ok, i've done a load of research and that along with all your recommendations lead me down to 4 cameras:

Canon EOS 400D
Nikon D200
Nikon D80
Nikon D40X

I have since narrowed these 4 down to two:

Nikon D40X & Nikon D200

The D200 is £1100 with standard lens and the D40X is considerably cheaper at £600.

Do you think it's worth spending almost double on the D200? Do you think picture quality will differ or i'll be annoyed i didn't get it in a couple of years?




If I were you I would consider the D40X over the D200.  The D40 is as good and has the same auto programs on the dial as the D50-70S. These auto programs are helpful with the settings when you are stepping up from a P&S. The D200 is the next step up with 5 frames per second. Good if you're shooting clumps of fast moving objects (motogp, Baja,dirt track, etc). If not, the 3 fps should be adequate.

The D200 is larger and the batteries don't last as long (larger motors), but its my next cam, with my D70S as a back up.

My .02

(Thunder7 & Jeff - I think he's a goner...  :lol:)


Title: Re: New Tamron AF 18-250mm F/3.5-6.3 Di II digital lens
Post by: torags v2 on April 13, 2007, 06:38:27 pm

It's suppose to be a light and compact all around travel lens. What have you heard?   :thumbsup: or  :thumbsdown:


I have the Tamron 200/500 and I was very pleased with the quality and its performance.

Some of the questions I would ask is, does the lens perform with my cam auto focus and does it have IF (internal focus) which is very helpful when you use a circular polarizer. If you don't have that; each time the cam focus's you have to readjust the cir pol. and you will lose shots. That can result in the photog breaking the lens into small pieces.


Title: Re: New Tamron AF 18-250mm F/3.5-6.3 Di II digital lens
Post by: Avigar on April 13, 2007, 07:12:46 pm



I have the Tamron 200/500 and I was very pleased with the quality and its performance.

Some of the questions I would ask is, does the lens perform with my cam auto focus and does it have IF (internal focus) which is very helpful when you use a circular polarizer. If you don't have that; each time the cam focus's you have to readjust the cir pol. and you will lose shots. That can result in the photog breaking the lens into small pieces.


Yeah, it has IF. Specs look impressive.

http://www.tamron.com/lenses/prod/18250_diII.asp


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 13, 2007, 08:06:45 pm
Looks good. Consider searching the lens in dpreview.com for some experiences where the rubber meets the road.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ZED on April 13, 2007, 09:27:13 pm


Cheers for your help... One last question if I may. Do you think the D200 will be able to P&S as well as the D40X or will I need to have more in-depth knowledge of ISO's, 'f's, appertures etc? or should i know all this anyway in your opinion?


The D200 can happily do most things automagically for you including an auto ISO that allows you to limit how high it goes which I really like. :thumbsup:
The one thing it doesn't do which a D40, D50, D70, or D80 does, is operate the flash.  The D200 assumes you know when to use the flash.  Examine this question:  Do you use the flash more at night, or in the day?
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If you answered "at night", get the lower end more automatic camera (D40 through D80).  If you answered "in the day" then get the D200 if you don't mind the price and weight because you likely know enough not to need the camera to tell you when to use fill flash.  The D200 won't do that for you.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: garry on April 16, 2007, 07:03:19 am
Perhaps a little OT, but this is the "hardware" thread and the other is the "method" thread...

I just picked up a Joby "Gorilla Pod" for $16 from Amazon on some kind of sale. 6" flexible legs. Weighs next to nothing. Can wrap the legs around tree branches or whatever as needed or just have it as a simple tripod for use with the self-timer (to include yourself in some photos). No more fighting to balance/level your P&S for group photos. More info at http://www.joby.com

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/garrysimmons/Misc/pod-003.jpg)


(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i150/garrysimmons/Misc/pod-002.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Against The Wind on April 18, 2007, 10:18:02 am

I was thisclose to getting a Panasonic camera instead of my Canon S2IS. Check out reviews at imaging-resource.com, dpreview.com and others to help you in your decision.
Jeff


Thanks for the link. I read tons of reviews on that site as well as others and have decided on the Canon SD800.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 18, 2007, 11:37:47 am
Glad I could help!

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 18, 2007, 01:24:23 pm
I have one that is almost the same as the Gorilla Pod but smaller.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Maltese_Wizard on April 19, 2007, 11:07:48 am
I've just been out and spent £1400 on a D200 with various accessories... more than double my budget but hey ho... :)

one last question.. anyone know of a normal height tripod that is fairly compact so i can take it on my bike ?

thanks for all the advise thus far.

Rob


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 19, 2007, 12:08:30 pm

I've just been out and spent £1400 on a D200 with various accessories... more than double my budget but hey ho... :)

one last question.. anyone know of a normal height tripod that is fairly compact so i can take it on my bike ?

thanks for all the advise thus far.

Rob


I don't have any to recommend, but I can recommend not getting a tripod at places like Walmart and Target. I've had two (one from each place) and the were both crap. The Target one broke on the second or third time I used it.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 19, 2007, 12:17:15 pm

I've just been out and spent £1400 on a D200 with various accessories... more than double my budget but hey ho... :)

one last question.. anyone know of a normal height tripod that is fairly compact so i can take it on my bike ?

thanks for all the advise thus far.

Rob


Rob,

I believe you have Calumet Photo on your side of the pond. They have their own in-house brand of tripods that are very sturdy and reasonably priced.  Here is a link to their tripod category: http://www.calumetphoto.co.uk/Studio/Tripods/?type=MENU

Nice choice on the D200. Its what I would have bought if Canon didnt ship the 30D when they did.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 19, 2007, 12:25:32 pm



I don't have any to recommend, but I can recommend not getting a tripod at places like Walmart and Target. I've had two (one from each place) and the were both crap. The Target one broke on the second or third time I used it.

Jeff


Jeff, I dont think he has anything to worry about regarding Target or Wal-Mart. There arent any over there  :D .


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 19, 2007, 02:20:02 pm



Jeff, I dont think he has anything to worry about regarding Target or Wal-Mart. There arent any over there  :D .


Heh, I suppose you're right! Next time maybe I should look at the location!

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 19, 2007, 03:27:44 pm



Heh, I suppose you're right! Next time maybe I should look at the location!

Jeff


Shouldnt you be moving or something?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 19, 2007, 03:43:34 pm
I'm a bit of a masochist. I chose to work all the way to the last day before I move. Work till Friday, move over the weekend. I've been packing and getting everything ready for the last few weeks, bit by bit.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 19, 2007, 03:48:00 pm

I'm a bit of a masochist. I chose to work all the way to the last day before I move. Work till Friday, move over the weekend. I've been packing and getting everything ready for the last few weeks, bit by bit.

Jeff


Good for you- I generally take apart the computer(s) and stereo system first. Eliminates distractions.

One move the ex decided things didnt need to go that way. As a result, the next move went MY way  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 19, 2007, 03:54:53 pm



Good for you- I generally take apart the computer(s) and stereo system first. Eliminates distractions.

One move the ex decided things didnt need to go that way. As a result, the next move went MY way  :D


My stereo was taken down last weekend. Computer is coming down tonight. Just about everything but the little one's toys are packed.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 05, 2007, 08:07:54 pm
Legends of the Motorcycle..

http://torags.smugmug.com/gallery/2805146#P-1-15

A jet bike...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/149759893-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 05, 2007, 09:07:58 pm
That is sweet  :eek:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Against The Wind on May 08, 2007, 09:46:51 pm
Ok, I picked up the Canon SD800 on the weekend. Now I just have to find the time to read the instructions......


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 10, 2007, 03:11:09 pm
Where are pix from Turkey... Thunder7

I want to see a farmers wrinkled weather beaten face smiling... and you get a bonus if he has a front tooth missing.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 10, 2007, 11:56:25 pm

Where are pix from Turkey... Thunder7

I want to see a farmers wrinkled weather beaten face smiling... and you get a bonus if he has a front tooth missing.


The trip isnt until the first week in August. Should I find the Chicago equivelant in the meantime?  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 11, 2007, 12:40:15 pm
Fred any new photos you care to post? Only new ones I have are of my dogs fighting or playing its called. My puppy looks evil with those blue eyes  :lol:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/DSC00130.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/DSC00131.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 11, 2007, 03:25:59 pm
I'll have some new ones in a few days. Between the MCC event this weekend and a christening I'm shooting on Sunday afternoon I'm pretty jammed up right now.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 11, 2007, 03:38:56 pm
That should be cool.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 11, 2007, 07:53:38 pm



The trip isnt until the first week in August. Should I find the Chicago equivelant in the meantime?  :lol:



Hey!!! that would make a good portfolio, the "Faces of the Disenfranchised by Choice". I can think of a few regulars on SF corners. I'll bet a nickel you would get published somewhere.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: atypical1 on May 15, 2007, 12:19:23 pm

Ok, I picked up the Canon SD800 on the weekend. Now I just have to find the time to read the instructions......


I just bought the same camera. Gotta tell you that I am impressed as hell with it. I haven't really had the opportunity to do too much yet but the shots I took at the beach turned out great (and I haven't messed with any of the settings yet). The camera is amazingly easy to use I love the image stab feature.

Ahhh...my first test will be this weekend at WCRM. Looking forward to it!

james


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 15, 2007, 04:46:24 pm
Okay wheres the pics from the new cameras guys  :headscratch:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 15, 2007, 10:42:56 pm

Okay wheres the pics from the new cameras guys  :headscratch:


A few from a new lens (70-200f4IS). Apologies to those who've seen them before.

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/supermoto070422/IMG_2996_Edit.jpg)

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/otrally07/IMG_2321_Edit.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 15, 2007, 10:52:21 pm



A few from a new lens (70-200f4IS). Apologies to those who've seen them before.

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/supermoto070422/IMG_2996_Edit.jpg)

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/otrally07/IMG_2321_Edit.jpg)


Nicely done!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Headmanbrewing on May 15, 2007, 11:08:26 pm
one last question.. anyone know of a normal height tripod that is fairly compact so i can take it on my bike ?

Rob

Rob, check out the Manfrotto 715 SHB tripod.  I have a Canon S3IS and bought this tripod to take both on the bike.  I know the pic is small, but my avatar was taken with this setup.  The tripod folds down small enough to fit in my tankbag with the camera.  It does not expand to 6 feet (2 meters), but it's tall enough to use without crouching too much or being on your knees.

edit: I just looked at the specs on your D200 and that camera might be too heavy for the 715SHB tripod.  Check it out.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on May 15, 2007, 11:10:43 pm



A few from a new lens (70-200f4IS). Apologies to those who've seen them before.

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/supermoto070422/IMG_2996_Edit.jpg)



COOL!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 16, 2007, 02:50:48 pm



A few from a new lens (70-200f4IS). Apologies to those who've seen them before.

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/supermoto070422/IMG_2996_Edit.jpg)

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/otrally07/IMG_2321_Edit.jpg)


Very nice   :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 16, 2007, 08:12:17 pm
Good stuff, kurtw

I'm taking my 200-700 to Infinion this Saturday to try it out. The season begins...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 18, 2007, 01:57:20 am

Good stuff, kurtw

I'm taking my 200-700 to Infinion this Saturday to try it out. The season begins...


Make sure you get some good shots to post!   :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 19, 2007, 05:19:17 pm
Yahoo a new toy for me to play with.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/DSC05035.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 20, 2007, 11:36:58 am



Make sure you get some good shots to post!   :D


Well you can't handhold a 200-500 (with a 8" lens hood) in a windy condition. Others may be able to pan with it; I can't. I suspect lots of trash, but I can't tell today, too much post processing (all raw).

Aand.. I ran up against my buffer (large raw files helped) . I was using continuous photo.. but I couldn't take two series of three without the cam stopping, then auto focus again... It's aggravating trying to get the early larger groups of riders in a sweep when the cam stops.

I then used a Sandisk Extreme III with no problems. Data storage cards are very well priced now, for you continuous shooting folks.

Today I'm going to the north rim of the Grand Canyon with stops at Antelope slot Canyon (to try a Fatali parallel) and the Wave at Coyote Butte. Its a cage trip.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on May 21, 2007, 08:40:38 am
A couple of suggestions for your next outing...

Try a mono pod for the long glass.  Makes a big difference.

Shooting action...Shoot JPG.  Raw is a waste of time (don't get me started on all the misconceptions about RAW files....Get the exposure right in camera and you'll never need a RAW file).

Learn to pan with both eyes open.

Cheers.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 21, 2007, 09:25:50 am

A couple of suggestions for your next outing...

Try a mono pod for the long glass.  Makes a big difference.

Shooting action...Shoot JPG.  Raw is a waste of time (don't get me started on all the misconceptions about RAW files....Get the exposure right in camera and you'll never need a RAW file).

Learn to pan with both eyes open.

Cheers.


Hell, John- I'll get you started for one main reason. The best kind:  I'm interested in knowing why. To me shooting only JPG when you have a choice is like using an instant camera instead of film. I'm not saying you're wrong or looking forward to disagreeing with you- I'm honestly interested.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on May 21, 2007, 10:20:34 am
Ok Fred..Here's my take on the subject (I knew you'd be the one to call me on this  :D ).
I think allot of people are under the impression that RAW files are some sort of holy grail when it comes to digital images.  That no matter how badly the image is screwed up it may some how be salvaged in post processing because it left the camera "unprocessed".

As remarked on earlier in this thread, a blurry image is a blurry image, no matter what format you shoot.  So...no help there shooting RAW.  That of course goes for any basics of image making.  Sharp focus and image content happen one place...In the camera.

RAW has a bit of advantage when it comes to exposure latitude, but not as much as people seem to think.  I think people get the wrong idea when they consider that RAW is a 12 bit data file and JPG is an 8 bit.  That of course is true however, RAW is a 12 bit linear and JPG is an 8 bit LOG.  What does that mean??  Well in practical terms it means that for all intents and purposes RAW and JPG hold the same amount of information for the shadow areas of an image.  RAW does beat out JPG in the highlight areas.  In fact if you blow an image you can retrieve about a 1/2 stop in the highlights.  But given that in this digital age we have access to histograms right on the camera, there really isn't any reason to blow out the highlights like that.

In regards to image processing...Obviously RAW images have to get processed at some point.  That brings up the question of post processing vs in camera processing.  I think there is confusion on this point.  It doesn't matter what file type you shoot in, the camera always captures a "RAW" image.  When shooting JPG the image is captured, then processed (and by processed I mean the Bayer interpolation is done, exposure compensation is applied, white balance is set and sharpening added) THEN the image is converted to JPG, not before processing.  I suppose then maybe the real argument is whether post processing is in some way superior to in camera processing.  I would say, from personal observation over the years, that one is not better than the other.  Just different.  In fact if you used three different programs to process the same RAW file you'd end up with three slightly different images.  The differences come down to how and in what order the program applies the image processing (again... Bayer interpolation, exposure, white balance, sharpening).  In any case, a post processed RAW file is not going to be inherently better than a properly exposed JPG.

That is the crux of the whole thing in my opinion.  Get it right in the camera and you won't really need a RAW file.

Do I ever shoot RAW files.  Yes.  If I'm shooting in some really ugly mixed lighting I shoot RAW.  Honestly I could shoot JPG and fix the white balance later but I myself haven't completely given up RAW.  Also if you are shooting something critical, if you shoot RAW + JPG you are making an instant backup of the image (ever have a card eat a few images?).

At any rate....Get it right in the camera and you don't need RAW.  If you're shooting a ton of images (sports, etc) and exposure is set properly, RAW just makes for a whole lot of post production that isn't necessary.  If you're shooting just a few images and love to tweak on things after the fact, shoot RAW, but know that you could shoot large, fine JPG and end up with the same image  ;)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 21, 2007, 10:32:52 am
John, I was "calling you out" on it because I seriously wanted to know, hard to believe as it is  :D. Thank you.

I agree with you to a point and the rest is just different methodology as far as I'm concerned, as well as strictly subjective. For what I do I prefer RAW unless what I'm shooting really doesnt matter to me, such as when I used to shoot events at a local club. I never asked for direct credit for the images as the bar owner was one of those idiots who played with the cute (Amateur and annoying) photo effects in his $5.00 photo software before he put the images up on his club's website. He made them look so bad I was happy to not have my name associated with them.

As he wouldnt have known the difference between a RAW and a low-res JPG if you beat him with the camera, he got the JPGs.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on May 21, 2007, 10:42:20 am
Hey Fred...just giving you a hard time.  I know you ask because you want to know.  :D
Of course all my comments refer to hi rez JPG.  Low rez JPG = crap.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on May 21, 2007, 10:43:54 am
Oh and pretty much everything I shoot matters to me but I still shoot JPG  :pokestick:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 21, 2007, 10:49:58 am

Oh and pretty much everything I shoot matters to me but I still shoot JPG  :pokestick:


Thats because you suck, John.   :bigok:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on May 21, 2007, 11:02:34 am
Not as much as you  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 21, 2007, 11:05:25 am

Not as much as you  :lol:


Nyah Nyah Nyah  :banana:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on May 21, 2007, 11:20:12 am
 :lol:

Now stop distracting me.  I'm trying to get some work done.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 21, 2007, 05:58:19 pm
Okay do I hear a photo contest here  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 21, 2007, 06:03:38 pm
Fred how does this photo look to you? Mind you straight from the camera and it was getting dark out as you can tell by the low light in the photo.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/DSC00253.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 21, 2007, 07:06:11 pm

Fred how does this photo look to you? Mind you straight from the camera and it was getting dark out as you can tell by the low light in the photo.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/DSC00253.jpg)


I like it but overall its too "busy" (To me). On a technical level I would have focused in on the best looking flower of the group and taken advantage of the (Lack of) depth of field to create a sense of it being the only one in focus. This is where my lack of formal education in the art shows. I know there are more exact terms for what I'm talking about.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ZED on May 21, 2007, 11:34:10 pm

...
Do I ever shoot RAW files.  Yes.  If I'm shooting in some really ugly mixed lighting I shoot RAW.
...
At any rate....Get it right in the camera and you don't need RAW.  If you're shooting a ton of images (sports, etc) and exposure is set properly, RAW just makes for a whole lot of post production that isn't necessary.  
...

 :thumbsup:
I agree on these two points.

I shoot RAW for my comercial work which is usually on location and I know I'm going to have to tweek the lighting temperature in photoshop anyway before the client sees it.  

Other than that I shoot in JPG becasue I'd rather be taking pictures (or riding my motorcycle) than sitting in front of a computer playing with photoshop.  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on May 21, 2007, 11:58:55 pm



I like it but overall its too "busy" (To me). On a technical level I would have focused in on the best looking flower of the group and taken advantage of the (Lack of) depth of field to create a sense of it being the only one in focus. This is where my lack of formal education in the art shows. I know there are more exact terms for what I'm talking about.


I think you've explained yourself pretty well. I agree with your thoughts BTW.

On another note, how exactly does one use a histogram?

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 22, 2007, 12:32:14 am



I think you've explained yourself pretty well. I agree with your thoughts BTW.

On another note, how exactly does one use a histogram?

Jeff


I dont know to be honest with you. I know it would help me a great deal if I knew but I havent had the patience to work it out yet.

John? How about you?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 22, 2007, 12:52:36 am

On another note, how exactly does one use a histogram?


Try this: understanding histograms (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/understanding-series/understanding-histograms.shtml)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 22, 2007, 07:17:44 am



Try this: understanding histograms (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/understanding-series/understanding-histograms.shtml)


Thank you!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 22, 2007, 08:47:38 am



I like it but overall its too "busy" (To me). On a technical level I would have focused in on the best looking flower of the group and taken advantage of the (Lack of) depth of field to create a sense of it being the only one in focus. This is where my lack of formal education in the art shows. I know there are more exact terms for what I'm talking about.


So instead of the group I should have only did the best looking one? I should have done this as a macro?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on May 22, 2007, 09:33:58 am
Here's another link on histograms...
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/histograms.htm

And if you want to know about RGB histograms...
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/yrgb.htm

Yes I use them all the time.  I don't quite agree with Ken Rockwell about single channel (luminance) histograms being somewhat useless (I think they are a great quick reference when you are primarily concerned about highlights).  But most certainly the RGB histograms give you the best information about the exposure of an image.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 22, 2007, 09:45:27 am



So instead of the group I should have only did the best looking one? I should have done this as a macro?


Not necessarily. That is what I would have done. If you like it, then you did it right.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on May 22, 2007, 02:05:35 pm



Try this: understanding histograms (http://www.luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/understanding-series/understanding-histograms.shtml)


Excellent article. Thanks very much.
Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 23, 2007, 11:20:05 am
Okay I was bored last night and took a photo of the moon what could I have better? I am trying to learn all the darn settings on the camera its a Sony H5 and teleconverter lens. How do I get a clearer shot?

Flash used: No
Focal length: 72.0mm
Exposure time: 0.033 s (1/30)
Aperture: f/3.7
ISO equiv.: 125
Whitebalance: Manual
Light Source: Flash
Metering Mode: matrix
Exposure: shutter priority (semi-auto)

Photo type Vivid
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/DSC00282.jpg)

Photo type natural.

Flash used: No
Focal length: 72.0mm
Exposure time: 0.033 s (1/30)
Aperture: f/3.7
ISO equiv.: 125
Whitebalance: Manual
Light Source: Flash
Metering Mode: center weight
Exposure: shutter priority (semi-auto)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/DSC00294.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 23, 2007, 11:28:18 am
First- Stop playing with the scene modes or whatever Sony calls them.

Assuming there is no Spot Meter then you need to vary your exposure is all. The moon in a night sky will throw off every auto-exposure system made due to the high brightness object surrounded by darkness.

If you can change your metering mode (Some cameras have Spot, Center Weighted and an "A.I." type function where the camera averages out readings from all over the frame) to spot then take your readin based on that.

Barring having any of the more sophiticated metering modes, just play with the exposures and remember- You arent wasting any film.

You will want a shorter exposure time in order to capture the moon.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 23, 2007, 11:38:58 am
Got it,  yes the camera has spot meter mode I don't think I used that one. Thanks Fred it is kinda clear of a shot isnt it?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 24, 2007, 01:18:51 pm
Here's a recent shot. I wish I could have gotten closer for better detail, but the subjects were special enough that I thought I'd post it  :bigok:

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/assorted/IMG_3529.jpg)

While I'm at it, here's a random shot of a driftwood windbreak.

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/photography/IMG_3394_Edit.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Nny on May 24, 2007, 01:25:53 pm
Where was the shot with the eagles taken?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 24, 2007, 01:58:36 pm

Where was the shot with the eagles taken?


On the beach here in Florence, Oregon...near the south jetty.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Nny on May 24, 2007, 04:47:53 pm
Nice.  Do you see a lot of them up there?

:threadjacked:

Ooh.. and uh...  Here's a picture:
(http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o82/3ebShadow/WCRM%20IV%202007/BigLarbike.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 24, 2007, 06:19:17 pm

Nice.  Do you see a lot of them up there?


No, just occasionally. My morning surf checks have been fruitful in the photography department (if not for surfing)...

Quote

Ooh.. and uh...  Here's a picture:


Pertty!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Nny on May 24, 2007, 07:07:55 pm
That's Big Lar's Buell custom parked on the side of the Avenue of the Giants during the WCRM this past weekend.  :)

We kept making jokes about the level of vibration at idle but we were drawn to it when Lar was away from it. ;)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: UPNET on May 27, 2007, 09:25:51 pm
Thinking about a Canon S3. Or maybe a Canon A series point and shoot. Would like to have some kind of video capability longer than 30 seconds. Any thoughts?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 28, 2007, 06:35:39 pm
Spent a Saturday at Infineon for the races with my 200/500mm lens. It was too much to handle in windy conditions, especially panning. got a close spot once (unauthorized) and was chased after a few shots..

Tried to get a Golden Gate sunrise on the way there, wrong angle but nice shot..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/157105980-M.jpg)

One racing bike can be a good photo, two are a contest. I like to get a few bikes in an S, with riders weighing opposed inside.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/157115026-M.jpg)

I tried a slow  (1/30) exposure to get a blur on some riders to indicate speed. I had a fixed focus point at the least lateral motion point. A famous F1 photog shots blurred cars pretty effectively.. I'm not impressed with this (just an experiment)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/157114801-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 28, 2007, 07:28:31 pm

Spent a Saturday at Infineon for the races with my 200/500mm lens. It was too much to handle in windy conditions, especially panning. got a close spot once (unauthorized) and was chased after a few shots..

Tried to get a Golden Gate sunrise on the way there, wrong angle but nice shot..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/157105980-M.jpg)

One racing bike can be a good photo, two are a contest. I like to get a few bikes in an S, with riders weighing opposed inside.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/157115026-M.jpg)

I tried a slow  (1/30) exposure to get a blur on some riders to indicate speed. I had a fixed focus point at the least lateral motion point. A famous F1 photog shots blurred cars pretty effectively.. I'm not impressed with this (just an experiment)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/157114801-M.jpg)


The blurred effect comes from panning with the movement of the vehicle. Slower shutter speeds will also blur the vehicle.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 28, 2007, 08:01:23 pm
Yup.. This was the other side of the card. Panning blurs background, this experiment blurred some subjects.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 28, 2007, 10:51:39 pm
Then I took the bride on a cage trip, a half of what I took on a bike last year. It had rained the day we arrived at Antelope Canyon. It was closed because of an earlier rain. The next stop was to make arrangements at Coyote Buttes, "the wave". Damn near got stuck in my SUV on rain soaked red clay roads, had to give it up, couldn't get thru.

Here's a sunrise in Bryce...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/157149208-M.jpg)

A formation.. God.... Bryce is beautiful

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/157149604-M.jpg)

Floating down the Colorado after the rapids

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/157172175-M.jpg)

The Colorado in bondage...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/157177348-M.jpg)

A stream into the Colorado (required stream shot)...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/157165173-M.jpg)

This weekend - the Baja 500... Stay tuned.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 29, 2007, 12:16:20 am
Awesome images!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 29, 2007, 01:15:05 am

This weekend - the Baja 500... Stay tuned.


Nice stuff. And damn I'm jealous about the 500. I was hoping to be pitting for a friend down there for it but he backed out  (wuss! :lol:) I can't wait to see you pictures from that


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 29, 2007, 10:04:25 am



Nice stuff. And damn I'm jealous about the 500. I was hoping to be pitting for a friend down there for it but he backed out  (wuss! :lol:) I can't wait to see you pictures from that


Too bad. A bunch of good guys from the Adv Rider forum are pitting at race mile 186.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217411&page=9

The 500 is Baja lite. Try to make it to the 1000 in Nov.

The photo conditions can be impossible sometimes (the dust)... Here is a shot from last years 500

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/145102100-M.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 29, 2007, 11:40:02 am
Playing around with my settings again another shot of the moon and this time I don't think its over exposed, not too bad with a p/s camera, What do you think?

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/326.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 29, 2007, 11:47:23 am

Playing around with my settings again another shot of the moon and this time I don't think its over exposed, not too bad with a p/s camera, What do you think?

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/326.jpg)


You are certainly headed in the right direction. Set the camera to slightly under expose next time, or better yet- Take a few and do what is called "Bracketing". Using the exposure compensation feature (Yeah- Beavis and Butthead moment here) start at one end of the settings and work your way to the other. You will see amazing differences.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 29, 2007, 02:07:19 pm
Will do Fred. I hope its a clear night again tonight.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 29, 2007, 02:25:45 pm

Will do Fred. I hope its a clear night again tonight.


Any night over the next 5 should suit you. Full moon on the 31st. I'm going to try a few things as well. Cant do much more with the camera (Hardware limitations, now its time for me to start playing around more on the software side of things.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 29, 2007, 04:53:35 pm
Very cool for the 31st now with my luck watch it rain  :crazy:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 29, 2007, 06:22:29 pm

Very cool for the 31st now with my luck watch it rain  :crazy:


Dont wait for the 31st. Play around until then with the Gibbous moon. The results will show you which way to go.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Biglar on May 30, 2007, 02:25:10 am

That's Big Lar's Buell custom parked on the side of the Avenue of the Giants during the WCRM this past weekend.  :)

We kept making jokes about the level of vibration at idle but we were drawn to it when Lar was away from it. ;)

Sweet Thanks Buddy!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 30, 2007, 08:16:20 am



Dont wait for the 31st. Play around until then with the Gibbous moon. The results will show you which way to go.


I was robbed last night too much cloud cover.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 04, 2007, 12:35:57 am



Nice stuff. And damn I'm jealous about the 500. I was hoping to be pitting for a friend down there for it but he backed out  (wuss! :lol:) I can't wait to see you pictures from that



Damn I had some post processing sheet go round and I deleted some of my smugmug gallery

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/159636911-M.jpg)

The goat trail is 10-12' wide down a 15 degree slope with a surface of larger boulders with a dusting of sand to make it interesting... I love to see the trucks on this..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/159612840-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/159612895-M.jpg)

Some images may not be perfect, but convey the excitement of the event. Dust is a part of Baja

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/159612974-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/159613294-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/159613410-M.jpg)

Quads like to catch air too..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/159614326-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/159614629-M.jpg)

and Robbie Gordon always puts on a good show..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/159615130-M.jpg)



 



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 10, 2007, 10:48:24 pm
Went to Yosemite & this weekend - got this stream shot... (ok...ok... it's a river - Sonora Pass)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/161538724-M.jpg)

Obligatory waterfall...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/161532926-M.jpg)

Came back to SF thru the Sonora pass (9600' elev) on Rt 108. Neat bike road (open in warm weather) - lots of twisties and great country.

Stopped at Mono Lake (yawn) Not enuffa tuffa. Got a blown out sunrise, I'll post on edit - got to work on it.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/161572839-M.jpg)

When blown - stays blown...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 11, 2007, 12:05:11 pm
This is a awesome shot torags.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/161572839-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 11, 2007, 12:20:39 pm
Thanx


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on June 11, 2007, 12:25:26 pm

Went to Yosemite & this weekend - got this stream shot... (ok...ok... it's a river - Sonora Pass)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/161538724-M.jpg)

Obligatory waterfall...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/161532926-M.jpg)

Came back to SF thru the Sonora pass (9600' elev) on Rt 108. Neat bike road (open in warm weather) - lots of twisties and great country.

Stopped at Mono Lake (yawn) Not enuffa tuffa. Got a blown out sunrise, I'll post on edit - got to work on it.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/161572839-M.jpg)

When blown - stays blown...


Excellent stuff. Its been so long since I've shot anything like that I couldnt even tell you if I had the eye for it or not.


Title: For dirt fans... some action shots... low light...
Post by: torags v2 on June 16, 2007, 10:02:45 pm
Fast Fridays, Auburn, Ca 6/15/07

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/163568785-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/163562345-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/163549252-M.jpg)

Like dancing...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/163559822-M.jpg)



Title: Re: For dirt fans... some action shots... low light...
Post by: Jeff on June 16, 2007, 10:51:11 pm

Fast Fridays, Auburn, Ca 6/15/07

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/163568785-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/163562345-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/163549252-M.jpg)

Like dancing...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/163559822-M.jpg)




Oh hell yeah! Those are killer!  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: traveler on June 21, 2007, 02:44:13 pm
I'm contemplating going digital and would appreciate your comments on a possible choice I have been considering:

Canon Powershot A550

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2007_reviews/a550.html


Not looking to spend a lot of $, as it will be my first digital. Is this a reasonable choice for a newb?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 21, 2007, 04:14:00 pm

I'm contemplating going digital and would appreciate your comments on a possible choice I have been considering:

Canon Powershot A550

http://www.steves-digicams.com/2007_reviews/a550.html


Not looking to spend a lot of $, as it will be my first digital. Is this a reasonable choice for a newb?


I didn't see any "IS" (image stabilization) listed in the specs and that's a deal breaker. My wife has a A710 IS and the series have very good ergos, rich saturated colors and a view finder.

While the viewfinder is not accurate, you can at least aim in high sunlight to get most of what you're trying to shoot. LCD screens alone are virtuously useless at midday.

I would recommend you look at the A710-IS model, it's probably on sale since its an older model (but with more features), the warranty starts when you buy. Don't be swayed by megapixel numbers. B&H Photo is a good online retailer with fair prices and excellent customer service. The online photo business is a shark tank, be careful.

Just my .02


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: traveler on June 21, 2007, 11:03:48 pm



I didn't see any "IS" (image stabilization) listed in the specs and that's a deal breaker. My wife has a A710 IS and the series have very good ergos, rich saturated colors and a view finder.

While the viewfinder is not accurate, you can at least aim in high sunlight to get most of what you're trying to shoot. LCD screens alone are virtuously useless at midday.

I would recommend you look at the A710-IS model, it's probably on sale since its an older model (but with more features), the warranty starts when you buy. Don't be swayed by megapixel numbers. B&H Photo is a good online retailer with fair prices and excellent customer service. The online photo business is a shark tank, be careful.

Just my .02


Thanks for the quick response and suggestions.

If image stabilization (IS) is a must have, what would you say about this model Canon?
SD700IS (trying to stay with current models, as opposed to discontinued ones)
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2006_reviews/sd700.html

Unfortunately, it appears to cost quite a bit more.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Headmanbrewing on June 21, 2007, 11:22:41 pm
Just a suggestion, I'm pretty happy with my Canon S3 IS.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Canon-PowerShot-S3-IS-Digital-Camera-Black/sem/rpsm/oid/149955/catOid/-16941/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

6mp, 12x optical zoom, easy to get new memory cards.  I am still having problems with action type shots, like my kid in a school play, I get a number of blurry arms and legs in motion shots.  It may be too physically large for your needs, however.  Find one at a store and see how it feels.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: traveler on June 22, 2007, 12:23:24 am

Just a suggestion, I'm pretty happy with my Canon S3 IS.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Canon-PowerShot-S3-IS-Digital-Camera-Black/sem/rpsm/oid/149955/catOid/-16941/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do

6mp, 12x optical zoom, easy to get new memory cards.  I am still having problems with action type shots, like my kid in a school play, I get a number of blurry arms and legs in motion shots.  It may be too physically large for your needs, however.  Find one at a store and see how it feels.


Now that's a camera. 12x zoom. But it's just too big for stuffing into the tankbag.

Thanks for the comments. Looks like I still have some more research to do.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on June 22, 2007, 09:28:54 am
I have the S2IS. It's a decent camera, and the IS is great, as is the 12x zoom. It's a bit bulky, but it fits in a tankbag just fine. Wifey's purse is a different matter however.

BUT, to me it's major fault is it SUCKS in low light. I think most P&S digital cameras do however.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 22, 2007, 10:22:12 am



Thanks for the quick response and suggestions.

If image stabilization (IS) is a must have, what would you say about this model Canon?
SD700IS (trying to stay with current models, as opposed to discontinued ones)
http://www.steves-digicams.com/2006_reviews/sd700.html

Unfortunately, it appears to cost quite a bit more.


I look at the ergos of the box. I bought a Sony T9, my first P&S. Fit in my pocket fine, has a great non nesting zoom, but I could hold on to it. Too small and slippery; I gave it to my son.

The A7XX series can take AA batteries and in order fit them they need a bulge; which is a nice handle if you have lightweight riding gloves on to take a shot. My bride always has the batteries in her purse, she says it's easier than remembering to charge them.

Besides image quality you might like to consider ergos (especially if your going to whip it out of a tank bag to shoot). Try a Best Buy or cam shop to handle a few.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: traveler on June 22, 2007, 08:19:27 pm



I look at the ergos of the box. I bought a Sony T9, my first P&S. Fit in my pocket fine, has a great non nesting zoom, but I could hold on to it. Too small and slippery; I gave it to my son.

The A7XX series can take AA batteries and in order fit them they need a bulge; which is a nice handle if you have lightweight riding gloves on to take a shot. My bride always has the batteries in her purse, she says it's easier than remembering to charge them.

Besides image quality you might like to consider ergos (especially if your going to whip it out of a tank bag to shoot). Try a Best Buy or cam shop to handle a few.


Very good suggestions all. I do like the idea of AA batteries, easy to find.
I need to find one I can use with gloves on, so a trip to the store is in order, for tryouts.

Thanks again to all for the patient and intelligent suggestions.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on June 22, 2007, 08:24:35 pm

I didn't see any "IS" (image stabilization) listed in the specs and that's a deal breaker. My wife has a A710 IS and the series have very good ergos, rich saturated colors and a view finder.


Really? In a P&S?

FWIW, I still take nice sharp photos with my old S400. With P&S shuttler lag plus shorter effective focal lengths, IS has never really seemed like a necessity to me on this type of camera. What it probably will do is add weight and mechancal complexity. It makes sense on the superzooms like the S3IS but personally, I wouldn't see it as a deal-breaker on a camera like this. The only time that I think IS would have helped noticably with my P&S is in true nighttime  photos, and even then I can show you some very sharp detailed long-shutter P&S photos taken hand-held...sure it would be nice here, but if night-time stuff isn't a priority...

Handheld with Canon S400
(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/tokyo/IMG_0339.sized.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 22, 2007, 11:09:04 pm
Real nice Kurt. Those Canons have nice rich colors...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 23, 2007, 08:48:21 am
So I was bored yesterday and decided to go play, What do you think different huh? I used Photoshop elements 5. B/W, film grain setting and also adjusted shadows.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/441.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/640.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/423.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/428.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 23, 2007, 09:55:50 am
Great subject for B&W. I wonder what that would look like with a IR lens.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on June 23, 2007, 10:04:40 am

So I was bored yesterday and decided to go play, What do you think different huh?

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/441.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/640.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/423.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/428.jpg)


Good composition, but you need to work on the contrast which can all be done in post production.

A little less gray, more black and white.

Make no mistake- You are off to a great start!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ZED on June 23, 2007, 11:14:11 am



Good composition, but you need to work on the contrast which can all be done in post production.

A little less gray, more black and white.

Make no mistake- You are off to a great start!


Actually I think the contrast is good.  Any more contrast would remove all detail from the darker regions.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on June 23, 2007, 11:25:07 am



Actually I think the contrast is good.  Any more contrast would remove all detail from the darker regions.


Then its all in the eye of the beholder....... :shrug:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ZED on June 23, 2007, 11:45:16 am



Then its all in the eye of the beholder....... :shrug:


Yup! :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on June 23, 2007, 01:49:04 pm



Yup! :D


Actually, its not. Properly done there is no loss in detail whatsoever.

I just didnt have time to debate it earlier. Still not interested in a debate but my 30 years behind cameras tells me that the contrast needs tweaking.


Title: Adaptability of lenses off a Cannon A-1 ...
Post by: Zen Rider on June 23, 2007, 08:03:30 pm
As my Cyber Shot was recently stolen, I find myself shopping for a new digital camera.

I have an "oldly but goodie" Cannon A-1 complete with the more expensive telephoto, Macro, and wide angle lenses.  I rarely use the A-1 anymore, but would love to be able to make use of the lenses on a digital camera.  Does anyone know if these will adapt up to a XTi or better?  

Many thanks!


Title: Re: Adaptability of lenses off a Cannon A-1 ...
Post by: Thunder7 on June 23, 2007, 08:13:33 pm

As my Cyber Shot was recently stolen, I find myself shopping for a new digital camera.

I have an "oldly but goodie" Cannon A-1 complete with the more expensive telephoto, Macro, and wide angle lenses.  I rarely use the A-1 anymore, but would love to be able to make use of the lenses on a digital camera.  Does anyone know if these will adapt up to a XTi or better?  

Many thanks!


This is what I've found:

http://photonotes.org/articles/eos-manual-lenses/ I would read this before you do anything.

http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/text-eos-to-fd-adapter.html

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Lens-Body-Mount-Adapter/dp/B000PIB6DW

http://www.amazon.com/Adorama-Canon-Lens-Body-Adapter/dp/B00009R7ZR

http://rugift.com/photocameras/canon-fd-eos-adapter.htm



Title: Re: Adaptability of lenses off a Cannon A-1 ...
Post by: Zen Rider on June 23, 2007, 08:52:52 pm



This is what I've found:

http://photonotes.org/articles/eos-manual-lenses/ I would read this before you do anything.

http://www.rit.edu/~andpph/text-eos-to-fd-adapter.html

http://www.amazon.com/Canon-Lens-Body-Mount-Adapter/dp/B000PIB6DW

http://www.amazon.com/Adorama-Canon-Lens-Body-Adapter/dp/B00009R7ZR

http://rugift.com/photocameras/canon-fd-eos-adapter.htm




Thanks for the in-depth search.  While the conversion doesn't sound impossible (at least in most instances), it does sound impracticable. The thought of step-down metering takes me back about 30 years to my days of college photography classes.  
But, what's life without challenges.  :crazy: :D

Right now, I'm vacillating between the purchase of the Cannon A560 -  or biting the bullet and going for the XTi.  

The A560 fits a lot of my criteria (well, mostly my budget).  

But the XTi  :drool:  I was fortunate enough to do the research necessary (actually, I'd already done the research, but it got me out of the office  :o) and then purchase one for my employer.  

Then of course, I had to learn to use it so I could teach others - it was tough duty, I tell yah!   :inlove:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ZED on June 23, 2007, 09:13:33 pm



Actually, its not. Properly done there is no loss in detail whatsoever.

I just didnt have time to debate it earlier. Still not interested in a debate but my 30 years behind cameras tells me that the contrast needs tweaking.


Well, I'm not about to debate it either, but from my 20 years as a photographer I think the contrast is OK.  But hey, it's art!  There is no right answer.

Also, I prefer to play with such things on film where you really don't lose as much.

Still, nice pictures.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on June 23, 2007, 09:54:44 pm



Well, I'm not about to debate it either, but from my 20 years as a photographer I think the contrast is OK.  But hey, it's art!  There is no right answer.

Also, I prefer to play with such things on film where you really don't lose as much.

Still, nice pictures.


True that.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 23, 2007, 10:16:03 pm
Hello all I made them dark and grainy cause I thought it would give it a more dark setting all as you can tell were photo shopped I used B/W and film grain setting and also adjusted shadows, I was kinda going for the bad look. The pics before this edit were nice and clear. I hope to find more old cemeteries to play in.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Zen Rider on June 23, 2007, 10:19:53 pm
It looks like the Cannon "G-7" offers, and will accept, an adapter to convert the manual focus lenses to the AF series cameras?  

Sans, the whole lense adapter issue: a major consideration is whether the G-7 will able to handle the stress induced while mounted to handlebar adapter (Ztechnics, for instance) to shoot action shots or vids, without knocking out the electronics.  

Everything I've read so far suggests this is a pretty good point and shoot - any biases (either, in general, or, for the sport-touring environment)?    





Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ZED on June 23, 2007, 10:35:21 pm
Hello all I made them dark and grainy cause I thought it would give it a more dark setting all as you can tell were photo shopped I used B/W and film grain setting and also adjusted shadows, I was kinda going for the bad look. The pics before this edit were nice and clear. I hope to find more old cemeteries to play in.
Excellent subject matter for B&W.  :thumbsup:
Go nuts!  That's the joy of digital.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 24, 2007, 07:27:48 am

Excellent subject matter for B&W.  :thumbsup:
Go nuts!  That's the joy of digital.


Yeah I got some weird looks while I was doing that.  :D Now to find another one that's in the 1800s again. Time for google.


Title: Re: Adaptability of lenses off a Cannon A-1 ...
Post by: Thunder7 on June 24, 2007, 08:38:09 am



Thanks for the in-depth search.  While the conversion doesn't sound impossible (at least in most instances), it does sound impracticable. The thought of step-down metering takes me back about 30 years to my days of college photography classes.  
But, what's life without challenges.  :crazy: :D

Right now, I'm vacillating between the purchase of the Cannon A560 -  or biting the bullet and going for the XTi.  

The A560 fits a lot of my criteria (well, mostly my budget).  

But the XTi  :drool:  I was fortunate enough to do the research necessary (actually, I'd already done the research, but it got me out of the office  :o) and then purchase one for my employer.  

Then of course, I had to learn to use it so I could teach others - it was tough duty, I tell yah!   :inlove:


Glad to help. I havent heard about people doing what you asked about for some time so you made me curious.

Now, on to your choices. If your budget can handle it, I would go with the XTi. The main reason is limitations. If you find yourself falling down that rabbit hole of photography, shooting everything that catches your eye you will run up against the limitations of a point and shoot rather quickly. There are certain things you just cannot do that a DSLR will allow for when your budget does.

I have a friend who recently upgraded from a Nikon Coolpix 8700 (Discontinued) to their D200 DSLR because of those very reasons. She currently has only one lens (18-200mm) but having the option of expandability as well as the extended capabilities has opened up an entire new world for her.

You wont regret it if you can swing the XTi.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on June 24, 2007, 07:16:22 pm
Go for XTi... without question. The various options with lenses and such just make it a winner compared to a P&S.

I gotta say, this is one of my favorite threads on ST.N evar.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 26, 2007, 08:24:03 am
I agree with Jeff, I have learned alot on here.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 26, 2007, 10:21:03 am
Looks like good continuous fps and interesting "joystick" manual focus. Ergos look good and the price is great. Good luck.

PS: Watch who you buy it from (reseller.com)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: JonS on June 26, 2007, 11:57:12 pm

Looks like good continuous fps and interesting "joystick" manual focus. Ergos look good and the price is great. Good luck.

PS: Watch who you buy it from (reseller.com)

 Boy, no kidding.
 It took me three tries to buy a Nikon D50. Don't even consider "Prestige Photo" or the other names for the same bunch.
 I ended up buying the lens from B&H and the body from a place I never heard of before. Can't remember the name, but it had Strip as part of it. Blue Strip Photo or something like that. There are no super deals, just fair ones.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on June 27, 2007, 09:12:09 am
As far as mail order/online goes, I've had the best luck with B&H. I've also dealt with Beach Camera with no complaints.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on June 27, 2007, 11:23:10 pm
B&H, Adorama, Calumet for new stuff.  KEH for used.  All get a big  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 01, 2007, 04:29:08 pm
Went to dinner at Lands End in SF last nite. It was a nice wind swept sky & sunset...

And Oh.. I hit the lottery (well not THE LOTTERY). I got a permit for Coyote Buttes and "the wave" for Oct 1. Hope it's not raining.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/168437169-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Ant on July 01, 2007, 04:50:06 pm

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/168437169-M.jpg)


Dayum  :eek:  :clap:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 01, 2007, 06:03:13 pm

Went to dinner at Lands End in SF last nite. It was a nice wind swept sky & sunset...

And Oh.. I hit the lottery (well not THE LOTTERY). I got a permit for Coyote Buttes and "the wave" for Oct 1. Hope it's not raining.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/168437169-M.jpg)


That is one HELL of an image!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 01, 2007, 07:15:55 pm
Thanks Fred

(Don't encourage me)  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 01, 2007, 08:07:23 pm

Thanks Fred

(Don't encourage me)  :D


Ok, you suck.   :lol:  Hows that?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 01, 2007, 09:26:05 pm



Ok, you suck.   :lol:  Hows that?


Do you know my bride? That's what she says.

 ;)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 02, 2007, 02:33:41 am



Do you know my bride? That's what she says.

 ;)


Ok, ok. I'm stoppin' RIGHT HERE........


Title: Re: Stadium Hack Racing
Post by: torags v2 on July 08, 2007, 10:09:33 pm
Went to a demo of hack racing at a small stadium track. Jeeze.... I'm a fan already...

Photography is the shitz, the lighting is God awful.. from daylight to darkness, f5.6 changed to 1.8, iso 1600 (noise galore) but lots of action...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/170953924-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/170953074-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/170956262-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/170979285-M.jpg)

and Oh.. some bikes... (Notice the difference in color from twilight to incandescent - soil color)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/170943739-M.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 10, 2007, 09:49:48 am
No fireworks pix? Here's one from Lake Tahoe taken from a boat..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/171470282-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 10, 2007, 09:56:30 am
All nicely done. I havent done any fireworks shots in years. The only bike stuff I've shot was from a track day a couple of years ago. You've probably seen some of them on my site.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 10, 2007, 10:52:44 am
thanks, it was the first I saw of side hacks. I wish they were more popular, they are exciting. I'm looking forward to Laguna Seca (and those Turkey pix)

I think we were too close to the fireworks - many were too big for my frame.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on July 13, 2007, 10:51:33 am
My another attempt at night shooting. A neat orange-red moon.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/512.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 13, 2007, 11:28:20 am

My another attempt at night shooting. A neat orange-red moon.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/512.jpg)



You nailed it!   :clap:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 13, 2007, 07:59:49 pm
You sure did nail it...   :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on July 14, 2007, 10:40:15 pm
Oh hell yeah, that's an awesome moon shot!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on July 15, 2007, 12:47:26 am
Thanks guys I have been learning alot and practicing.

Camera:
Sony H5.  Been eyeing up a Canon 30D.   :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 15, 2007, 02:42:44 am

Thanks guys I have been learning alot and practicing.

Camera:
Sony H5.  Been eyeing up a Canon 30D.   :D


The 30D is one hell of a step up. There are rumours of a 40D coming but only speculation so far.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on July 15, 2007, 08:27:46 am
Yeah I heard that to I hope to read more on that rumor.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 15, 2007, 08:56:34 am

Yeah I heard that to I hope to read more on that rumor.


The things I've heard so far are: 10Mp and teh Digic III processor. So far I'm not excited and feel no need to get rid of my 30D. When I think about it, there isnt really anything I find lacking with it at all. My next step will be up to a full frame DSLR if anythign at all.

The only reason why Canon would go to a 10MP chip in the 30D replacement is because of how marketing hs brainwashed the general buying public into thinking that yet again, more is better and that alone may be costing them sales.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on July 15, 2007, 09:14:53 am
Yeah I have to save my pennies for my next camera. I always buy mine used but I might have to go new with the Canon.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 15, 2007, 09:23:43 am

Yeah I have to save my pennies for my next camera. I always buy mine used but I might have to go new with the Canon.


Well, if it takes long enough for the alleged 40D to arrive you may find a few used 30Ds' out there.

Ok, no more chatting. I'm goin riding.......


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 15, 2007, 02:58:52 pm
Spent a couple of hours at the SF Bayfront. Fun shooting these guys, they get big air.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/173206165-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/173201473-M.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Ant on July 20, 2007, 12:52:24 pm
Anyone have any opinions on glass from Sigma? I know it's "cheap" but is it worth what you pay for? I take photos for my own pleasure and I can't justify (even if I could physically afford) the high quality stuff, I have a Canon EOS 350D (the Rebel XT in the States I think?) and I have the standard 18-55mm that came with the camera. I'm after something with a bit more zoom than this now, nothing stupid but just that bit further. I've been looking at some of the Sigma stuff since thats in the kinda price range I'm looking at...

Any suggestions/comments?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 20, 2007, 01:04:13 pm

Anyone have any opinions on glass from Sigma? I know it's "cheap" but is it worth what you pay for? I take photos for my own pleasure and I can't justify (even if I could physically afford) the high quality stuff, I have a Canon EOS 350D (the Rebel XT in the States I think?) and I have the standard 18-55mm that came with the camera. I'm after something with a bit more zoom than this now, nothing stupid but just that bit further. I've been looking at some of the Sigma stuff since thats in the kinda price range I'm looking at...

Any suggestions/comments?


I have never had a good experience with Sigma optics. If you are going to go that route go with Tamron or Tokina.

I wouldnt use a Sigma lens as a door stop.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Ant on July 20, 2007, 01:09:43 pm



I have never had a good experience with Sigma optics. If you are going to go that route go with Tamron or Tokina.

I wouldnt use a Sigma lens as a door stop.


You'd say say that Tamron is okay then? Like I said, I couldn't afford the expensive stuff even if I wanted it so I'm just looking for something that I can afford but that isn't false economy by being cheap(er) but shockingly bad since even cheap is never that cheap in photography!!  :crazy:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 20, 2007, 01:18:10 pm



You'd say say that Tamron is okay then? Like I said, I couldn't afford the expensive stuff even if I wanted it so I'm just looking for something that I can afford but that isn't false economy by being cheap(er) but shockingly bad since even cheap is never that cheap in photography!!  :crazy:


I have a friend who is in a similar position and his primary lens is a Tamron zoom. He gets excellent results.

You'll do fine with Tamron.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on July 25, 2007, 12:15:01 pm
Anybody know of any good online stores that you can trust for cameras I have found alot of good prices on the Canon 30d but which stores can you trust?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 25, 2007, 02:11:13 pm
B&H photo - top of the class, Adorama (good deals on chips). Careful of offshore versions vs US. The US warranty doesn't cover them.

If you find a price at a reseller you like, go to reseller.com & check 'em out, they keep up with the frauds...

BTW... B&H has a promo/discount section in a side bar link...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on July 29, 2007, 10:36:25 am
I know we all love to have equipment.  I'm a long time sufferer of Nikon Acquisition Syndrome, but just as a reminder...it's not about the equipment, it's about your vision...
http://tinyurl.com/2gfvcq
Cheers


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 29, 2007, 09:14:49 pm

I know we all love to have equipment.  I'm a long time sufferer of Nikon Acquisition Syndrome, but just as a reminder...it's not about the equipment, it's about your vision...
http://tinyurl.com/2gfvcq
Cheers


Exactly what I say. Wow. That guy is GOOD.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on July 30, 2007, 01:58:14 pm

I know we all love to have equipment.  I'm a long time sufferer of Nikon Acquisition Syndrome, but just as a reminder...it's not about the equipment, it's about your vision...
http://tinyurl.com/2gfvcq
Cheers


Amazing photos.   :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 30, 2007, 02:19:15 pm
He is also very good with Photoshop. Some of those amazing images would be impossible without it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on July 30, 2007, 02:43:48 pm
Yeah now I need to work on my vision.   :crazy:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on July 31, 2007, 01:10:37 am
Very clear night outside so I tried to pratice my Moon shots, But I couldn't get it clear I think it was too bright tonight or I didn't set something right.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/good2.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/good.jpg)





Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 31, 2007, 08:13:22 pm
Looks OK to me...

Could you see some camera blur?

from reading loads of posts, I felt camera blur was my biggest problem. I used a remote to trigger a time delay shutter. It helped me a lot.


Title: Re: Digital Cameras
Post by: PEST! on July 31, 2007, 11:23:20 pm



How is Olympus junk? I dont currently own one but I have in the past, and I have a neighbor who does and uses both of his for underwater snapshots and gets amazing results. The one I used to have was very nice for what it was.

Nikon makes nice cameras, no doubt.. So does Canon. If Sony were the only manufacturer of digital cameras, I'd go back to using film.

Why? When Sony bought Konica/Minolta's camera division they screwed every owner who then had equipment in for warranty repair. They told the customer that they had two choices: 1: Accept a pro-rated boyout of their equipment from Sony or 2: Have it returned to them unrepaired in the same condition it was sent in as.

Screw Sony.

Well I wont say scew anything but . I have had 3 Olympus cameras 2 digital and one 35mm. All 3 broke within a year. The 35 broke twice. (got it fixed). I now have a Fuji works very well.  I wont buy another olympus. I had Cannon that lasted 10 years. Then got digital camera.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 01, 2007, 01:28:10 am
My experience with Olympus digital goes back about 4 years and before that with their film cameras over 25 years ago. I have no recent experience to base anything else on regarding them.

You made a good choice with Fuji. I have no idea about their support but their cameras are supposed to be very good.

I still say screw Sony.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 01, 2007, 03:57:07 am

Looks OK to me...

Could you see some camera blur?

from reading loads of posts, I felt camera blur was my biggest problem. I used a remote to trigger a time delay shutter. It helped me a lot.


I don't know about the camera blur I don't know if I have a eye for things like that yet.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 01, 2007, 10:21:38 am
Oh... I was responding to your comment about not getting it clear


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 01, 2007, 11:44:56 am

Oh... I was responding to your comment about not getting it clear


I think thats just me. ( operator error )  :(  


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Ape Factory on August 10, 2007, 02:50:32 pm
I didn't read through all 18 pages of this thread but if anyone needs to know about pro-grade gear and want some feedback, shoot me a PM or e-mail.  I'm a photojournalist by trade and use/abuse some pretty nice stuff (before I get my hands on it!) every day.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 10, 2007, 03:02:17 pm

I didn't read through all 18 pages of this thread but if anyone needs to know about pro-grade gear and want some feedback, shoot me a PM or e-mail.  I'm a photojournalist by trade and use/abuse some pretty nice stuff (before I get my hands on it!) every day.


Good to have you aboard. Most people just post here due to everybody wanting to learn some new stuff.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Ape Factory on August 10, 2007, 03:05:00 pm
I'll try and help out when I can.  Those point and shoots confuse me though   :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 10, 2007, 03:06:50 pm

I'll try and help out when I can.  Those point and shoots confuse me though   :lol:


 :lol:

I know the feeling. I've been shooting most of my life (Serious amateur wiht a bit of proessional experience on the side) and put a P&S in my hands and I have no clue what to do. Give me my Canon 30d, or my old Crown Graphic 4x5 or anything else and I'm all over it!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Ape Factory on August 10, 2007, 03:20:46 pm
Exactly!  I have a hard time using a screen to compose a picture.  I actually shoot with both eyes open and over the years, my brain has blocked out my right eye while shooting (left eye dominant) so I have a hard time using something like a Canon Elph unless it has a viewfinder.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 10, 2007, 03:30:04 pm

Exactly!  I have a hard time using a screen to compose a picture.  I actually shoot with both eyes open and over the years, my brain has blocked out my right eye while shooting (left eye dominant) so I have a hard time using something like a Canon Elph unless it has a viewfinder.


I found that I can use the screen to compose and I have never learned to shoot with both eyes open (Right eye dominant). I should try it though. My funny issue with P&Ss' is the general lack of sensibly designed controls if any at all.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 15, 2007, 04:58:34 pm
Today I bought myself the biggest version of the Gorilla Pod. After playing with it a few minutes I have yet to be impressed due to its vibration dampening capabilities being comparable to a that of a tuning fork.

I'll play some more before I decide to return it.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 20, 2007, 05:03:18 pm
Okay I bought a new camera about 3 weeks back and due to weather I only got to shoot 2 days with it. I am starting to get irritated with this crap weather.... :angry3: :mad2:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ZED on August 20, 2007, 09:37:48 pm
One of the tricks to photography is finding good shots in whatever environment/weather you have.  The number of people that say "oh, if I just lived in the Rockies I could take those amazing pictures."  Actually they likely couldn't.  There not looking for the shots.

In bad weather, if you look for them, you might find things like:
- a rain shower bouncing off a patio table with a lone sunbeam on it.  Contrasts in lighting can be quite vivid if exposed properly.
- a misted up busy road with pedestrians quickly J-walking in the dimming light (especially good on a grainy B&W film).  City's are good for this.
- a hunkered down bunny rabbit caught out in the open in a storm, trying to hide from the storm.  (the look in its eye was heart rendering, but I didn't have a camera that day.)
- some moron like myself standing in the rain on a London street looking up to find the one tiny patch of blue, just so I can say I saw blue sky every day I've been there.  ;)

It's not easy, but it can be done.  The joy of digital is you can experiment and chuck the bad stuff. :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: evilmedic13 on August 21, 2007, 02:54:13 am

Okay I bought a new camera about 3 weeks back and due to weather I only got to shoot 2 days with it. I am starting to get irritated with this crap weather.... :angry3: :mad2:


  It's only rain, the camera won't melt. Trust me, I didn't let the rain come between me and the airshow, just make sure to dry it off later. Plus, a garbage bag is a wonderful camera poncho!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Ape Factory on August 21, 2007, 10:01:30 am



  It's only rain, the camera won't melt. Trust me, I didn't let the rain come between me and the airshow, just make sure to dry it off later. Plus, a garbage bag is a wonderful camera poncho!



Definitely protect your gear from the rain.  If it's not a pro body, there's very little sealing of the outside switches and none on the inside of the circuit boards, batteries, etc...Even a little rain can do major damage if it gets in the wrong crevice or shutter box.  I "lost" a  MarkIIn not too long ago due to rain.  I usually have pretty good luck with gear, even covering hurricanes but one misplaced seal on the Mark IIn and she's now a $4,000 paperweight. I had a battery seal that apparently wasn't a seal at all and water leaked into the battery which in turn leaked acid into the camera.  But there was apparently water in the shutter box too, most likely from the ever-so-slightly torn o-ring on the back of my 16-35.

You can shoot in the rain, just keep it under your jacket or dry when you're not using it and don't let it get saturated.  Also, rain can get in and corrode zoom cams, focusing rings, motors, stuff that's not visible to the naked eye and cause problems further down the road.  If you shoot in bad weather often, the camera should be serviced once a year minimum.  

Zip lock bags are a great idea and I've actually used them in the past while on assignment.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 21, 2007, 12:47:10 pm
If it was my point and shoot no biggie, but I don't think my 30d will fair well against the rain. :crazy: We have a big dog show coming Sept 1st and 2nd Woofstock that should be interesting.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 21, 2007, 07:40:30 pm
 :lol: :lol: :lol:  Woofstock... I love it...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 22, 2007, 12:00:41 pm

 :lol: :lol: :lol:  Woofstock... I love it...


Man it turns the city upside down on those two days it complete nuts. Bands and food it nuts I tell ya.... :lol:


http://www.woofstock.info/


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 22, 2007, 01:56:43 pm



Man it turns the city upside down on those two days it complete nuts. Bands and food it nuts I tell ya.... :lol:


http://www.woofstock.info/


I noticed they dont mention anything about a slip 'n' slide..........


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 22, 2007, 03:50:07 pm



I noticed they dont mention anything about a slip 'n' slide..........


Now that would be funny.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Against The Wind on August 22, 2007, 07:26:07 pm
When I bought my Canon SD800IS a few months ago I also got a Selphy CP720 printer. Today I connected it and used it for the first time. Holy cow what a great little machine! I am completely satisfied with the camera and now I can print out the photos I want to as well.

You may now resume your regularly scheduled broadcasting.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 27, 2007, 06:05:11 pm
Hey... did Thunder7 go to Turkey?

If he did & he reads this... Take pix of old doors. With/wo people along side, with vines growing, busted up, etc.

You'll be able to sell them at street fairs (thru a vender) all day long - forever. Real bread 'n butter.

enjoy your trip...



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 31, 2007, 11:00:06 am

Hey... did Thunder7 go to Turkey?

If he did & he reads this... Take pix of old doors. With/wo people along side, with vines growing, busted up, etc.

You'll be able to sell them at street fairs (thru a vender) all day long - forever. Real bread 'n butter.

enjoy your trip...




I'm here now. My time to do that here in Istanbul has been seriously limited by some irritating circumstances due to a friend I'm travelling with. I will have more time to shoot on my own once I arrive in Kas Sunday Morning. For now I'm not too impressed wiht most of what I've shot because I was rushed through damn near all of it. Photgraphically the first few days of this trip have been an almost complete waste.

Istanbul IS an amazing city, though. Think of a sprawled out, colorful Manhattan without the stench of garbage.........

Mind you thats a total oversimplification.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on September 03, 2007, 10:09:26 am
Isn't this a photo thread? We can't all wait for Thunder7 to get back with Turkey Pix.

Last week in SF, sunset above the fog

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/189326524-M.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on September 03, 2007, 04:32:12 pm

Isn't this a photo thread? We can't all wait for Thunder7 to get back with Turkey Pix.

Last week in SF, sunset above the fog

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/189326524-M.jpg)




Its these kind of images that keep me humble. Nicely done.  :hail:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on September 03, 2007, 08:40:44 pm

Last week in SF, sunset above the fog


Oh wow. Very, very nice!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on September 03, 2007, 10:07:43 pm
Thanks... BTW I used a Cokin ND graduated filter to cut the glare.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on September 03, 2007, 10:07:52 pm

Isn't this a photo thread? We can't all wait for Thunder7 to get back with Turkey Pix.

Last week in SF, sunset above the fog

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/189326524-M.jpg)




This is freakin awesome. Definitely don't see stuff like this in IL.
Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on September 04, 2007, 03:29:44 pm
That is a sweet photo.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on September 04, 2007, 09:01:29 pm
For those fans of sunrises... Notice the speck 1/3 from left 1" from bottom. That speck was dirt on my mirror, that got there from carelessly changing lenses along the way.... The crop is too close at the bottom but I had to cut some high rise bldg tops (this is from my deck over the weekend)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/191746876-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ol Rocket on September 05, 2007, 12:02:10 am
Completely off on a tangent:  Is there any market for old film cameras?  I still have the Canon FT/b outfit I got as a college graduation present sitting in the closet.  Any use in putting it on eBay?  


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on September 05, 2007, 12:04:54 am

Completely off on a tangent:  Is there any market for old film cameras?  I still have the Canon FT/b outfit I got as a college graduation present sitting in the closet.  Any use in putting it on eBay?  


Look here to get an idea of value...

http://www.ritzcam.com/catalog/index.php



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ol Rocket on September 05, 2007, 11:07:23 am
thanks.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ol Rocket on September 10, 2007, 11:30:37 am
OK, I've cleared my closet out of all but two film cameras.

Would any of you have a recommendation for a good practice dslr?  I'm thinking one that is a series or two removed from the newest offerings that I could get and try out to see if I'll stick with it?  I've read the thread, but don't know the lineage of the major players.  I am figuring that things change so quickly now that one that is a couple years old that I can pick up on eBay will still be a good starting point.

Or am I off base?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Ant on September 10, 2007, 11:46:06 am
I've got a Canon EOS 350D (Errrr Digital Rebel XT or something along those lines in the States I believe). Its at the bottom of the Canon DSLR ladder and it is one release behind super-shiny state of the art (which is the 400D, no idea what it is over the pond). I think it is a great camera and a good start to get used to a DSLR, I know I'm still learning things that'd make anything more expensive completely redundant.

Of course it makes a difference if you have some glass you want to reuse from one of your old film cameras?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: dark_isz on September 10, 2007, 12:39:33 pm



Of course it makes a difference if you have some glass you want to reuse from one of your old film cameras?


I think I have an old AE-1 with a lens or two stashed somewhere, would you happen to know if the lenses off it would fit the 350D/Rebel XT?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on September 10, 2007, 02:03:53 pm
The thing with old dslr's is : the state of the art has made newer ones simpler. Mega pixels is not the yardstick to use. Smaller mp cams may be better.

Newer consumer cameras have presets, that give you an early step forward. I think the value of an early dslr is to give you the opportunity to learn post processing skills. Picassa2 (a freebee) would be really helpful to you.

Why? when you're in a situation where you want to capture an event but natural light is the shitz, you can save the capture in post processing. It will also force you to learn composition among other things.

This appreciation will lead you to a compulsion to acquire more bling than you need......

Old lenses on cams? Check your mounts (Canon/Nikon are different), don't force. Sometimes they will fit but you may have reduced function ability. Ex.: they may not auto focus, but you may still get great images with manual focus.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on September 11, 2007, 01:15:02 pm
HIDE THE SMALL ANIMALS AND LOOK THE DOORS, PEOPLE- I'M BACK!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on September 11, 2007, 02:00:43 pm

HIDE THE SMALL ANIMALS AND LOOK THE DOORS, PEOPLE- I'M BACK!


Lordy... Honey are the girls locked up....

Welcome home.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Headmanbrewing on September 11, 2007, 05:45:11 pm

HIDE THE SMALL ANIMALS AND LOOK THE DOORS, PEOPLE- I'M BACK!


Fred, I thought the line was "Hide the women and children..." but, whatever floats your boat.  :lol:

Nice to see you back.  It sounds like you missed a good time last Sunday at Paul Bunyan's in Wis Dells.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FlowBee on September 11, 2007, 07:28:26 pm
First off:  No, I haven't read through all 19 pages of postings. OK...

This is just a heads-up reminder for those of us with Sony-manufactured CCDs in our cameras (Sony, Minolta, Nikon, etc etc):  the deadline for getting your free fix ala Sony is fast approaching.  If your camera has the dreaded pink/purple tint, odds are YOU can get it fixed for FREE from Sony.  But their class-action settlement window is drawing closed, with the first week of October the cutoff.  After that you're on your own.

The reason I post this is that our Sony DSC-F717 started with the pink tint last spring.  I just figured I screwed up the color balance.  A search of Sony color balance on the interwebs brought to light the whole HUGE issue of bad CCDs and the lawsuit/ settlement.  I sent our camera in last week (shipping gratis)  and it is already on its way back home tonight (hopefully fixed).  

In the mean time we NEEDED a digital camera last week so we bought a new DSC-H9.   :inlove:   Nice, and half the cost of the last one...  But a working 5MP camera is still very useful and if Sony will fix it for free - DO IT!


edit add:  

Overview of settlement and effected devices:

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ContentDisplayView?cmsId=legal_notice&hideHeaderFooter=false&storeId=10151&catalogId=10551&langId=-1&XID=F:ccdsettlement



Diagnosis of problem on your camera:

http://esupport.sony.com/perl/news-item.pl?template=EN&news_id=118



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on September 11, 2007, 07:49:02 pm



Fred, I thought the line was "Hide the women and children..." but, whatever floats your boat.  :lol:

Nice to see you back.  It sounds like you missed a good time last Sunday at Paul Bunyan's in Wis Dells.


I know, I know- I thought to put a little slant to it is all :)

I havent looked at the thread(s) yet regarding what I "missed" but I wouldnt have traded my time in Turkey for one single thing. I not only didnt bother to wear my watch for most of my stay, I also didnt think about riding very much.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on September 11, 2007, 11:03:22 pm
Welcome back!
Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on September 12, 2007, 12:24:18 am
Thanks to all. I'll have some pics posted in a few days. Many to go through. To sum up the entire thing be would that it was the greatest experience of my life.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on September 12, 2007, 06:05:27 pm
Welcome back.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on September 18, 2007, 01:49:35 am
Hot stuff (some action)... Stadium Off Road Racing... Trophy trucks

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/200058973-M.jpg)

The bike on the trip down..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/196965792-M.jpg)





Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on September 18, 2007, 12:36:27 pm
Nice photos.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 03, 2007, 01:13:04 pm
I went here Monday... Great place...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/203630102-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on October 03, 2007, 06:08:59 pm
For those that own SLR lenses, what methods do you use to prevent fungus from forming on the lenses? Any recommendations on storage methods? I've heard about silica lens bags as an option. How effective are they? Am I just being overly cautious and paranoid?  :headscratch:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 03, 2007, 07:06:37 pm
Sounds like a good idea. You may know that car manufacturers put those bags in the sealed headlight units (Porche, Lexus...)

I haven't had the problem, but Monday I was in rainy conditions and my bag got wet. I got a few from vitamin jars I'm going to do it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on October 03, 2007, 09:30:55 pm
I'm very excited right now. I just ordered a Gorillapod. I only have a Canon S2IS, but I ordered the SLR-Zoom version that holds up to 6.6 lbs to be prepared for the day I get a better camera, whenever that may be. Woot!

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on October 03, 2007, 09:37:51 pm

I'm very excited right now. I just ordered a Gorillapod. I only have a Canon S2IS, but I ordered the SLR-Zoom version that holds up to 6.6 lbs to be prepared for the day I get a better camera, whenever that may be. Woot!

Jeff


I would be very careful abou it. I had one for a day and found it to have the vibration dampening capabilities of a rigid mount V-twin.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on October 04, 2007, 12:14:06 am



I would be very careful abou it. I had one for a day and found it to have the vibration dampening capabilities of a rigid mount V-twin.


45 degree or 90 degree twin?  :D

Jeff


Title: We had visitors today..
Post by: torags v2 on October 08, 2007, 12:21:44 am
Blue Angels..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/205378412-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/205389958-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/205389045-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 17, 2007, 07:57:24 pm
This happened again this morning, a taupe sunrise. Rain clouds and fog filtered the sun..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/208124792-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 20, 2007, 07:21:02 pm
Anybody take pictures that follows this thread?

This morning at Mavericks...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/210618332-M.jpg)

Who said size don't matter...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/210621603-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: bomber on October 22, 2007, 05:04:40 pm
I got a question for the collective, please

Recently mounted up a lil Canon a520 on the bike to take on-the-go shots -- works well, so long as the operator uses some common sense ;-}

however, if I leave it on (even with the display off), it has demonstrated a large desire for repeated battery replacement -- I was thinkin last night on the way home from an nice extended romp through some of my favorite roads, here's this lil camera, with an aux power unput, inches away from a cigarettelighter power source --

a cusory search reveals many AC power supplies for the lil dear, but nothin for 12VDC to 3.15VDC --
am I searching for something that doesn't exist (again?)

thanks, gents!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 22, 2007, 06:06:43 pm
An inverter might help if you have a cig lighter receptacle. They are heavy so I rigged a small vented toiletry travel bag that I hang it in off my tank bag(I don't have direct cig plugin - BMW adapter)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on October 22, 2007, 07:43:57 pm

Anybody take pictures that follows this thread?

Who said size don't matter...
--snip image of huge Mavericks--


I see you caught Mavericks on a small day  ;) :eek:

I haven't been taking as many photos lately as I'd like, but I've been enjoying yours and everyone elses!  :thumbsup:

Here are some recent random shots of friends enjoying some decent Fall surf

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/fallsurf07/IMG_7829.jpg)

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/fallsurf07/IMG_7914_Edit.jpg)

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/fallsurf07/IMG_8249.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on October 22, 2007, 11:00:47 pm
Anyone heard anything recently from Thunder7? Fred, you still out there man?

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 22, 2007, 11:12:25 pm
Kurt you got in real close. I was a half mile away using 550mm reach & I had to crop 100%. I lost a lot of detail.

Yeah where is Thunder7 ?.... He is one of the reasons we have a sticky... "earth to thunder7... come in"


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on October 22, 2007, 11:25:32 pm

Kurt you got in real close. I was a half mile away using 550mm reach & I had to crop 100%. I lost a lot of detail.


The first two were shot from the jetty with a 400mm (slight crop for composition only). The last is from the beach with 400mm+1.4x and cropped about 50%.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: bomber on October 23, 2007, 09:48:01 am
thanks, Torag!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 23, 2007, 11:26:15 am



The first two were shot from the jetty with a 400mm (slight crop for composition only). The last is from the beach with 400mm+1.4x and cropped about 50%.


The last is good with a 1.4. My set up was a 200/400 w 1.4, but I couldn't fill the frame.

I'm going to try my Tamron 200/500 w 1.4 and see how that works. But I'm not optimistic, it's just so far away.

I'm looking into a telescope with cam adapters. I want to be ready for the Mavericks surf contest (Jan) when the waves are higher.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on October 23, 2007, 03:15:25 pm
Today's surf crew at the beach

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/fallsurf07/IMG_8330.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on October 23, 2007, 09:35:00 pm

Today's surf crew at the beach

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/fallsurf07/IMG_8330.jpg)


WOW! That is awesome! He just jumps right out of the photo.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on October 24, 2007, 11:55:44 am

Anyone heard anything recently from Thunder7? Fred, you still out there man?

Jeff


Yeah, I'm still here. I've been swamped so posting is the first to suffer. Got one client's site to modify, two others to design from the ground up as well as the usual stuff. Mostly I've only had time to lurk once in a while.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 24, 2007, 12:45:18 pm
Thunder7's on the radar...   :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on October 24, 2007, 12:49:40 pm

Thunder7's on the radar...   :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:


Flyin' in at low altitude like a broken wind..........


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 24, 2007, 05:31:37 pm
I know what breaking wind is like....    :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on October 25, 2007, 06:46:20 pm
Does this crop look clear enough to you guys? I don't know what happened to the tail section, The sun maybe?

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/1485.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: evilmedic13 on October 28, 2007, 04:32:03 am
 Nice! Too bad they've hated me this year :crazy:. Hopefully I can take something decent enought o post w/ my new camera, I just got it in the mail today. A new Sony Alpha 700  :chili: :banana: :chili: :banana: :beerchug:, so far, it's a pretty impressive improvement over my Maxxum7d.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on November 06, 2007, 12:36:19 pm
This one is killin' me! Technically its gear, yes?

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/misnomers/sony-twat-camera-case-is-unfortunately-named-319477.php


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on November 06, 2007, 01:55:08 pm
 :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on November 16, 2007, 04:09:15 pm
Got back from Baja... Some of what I got...

the pass..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/222058120-M.jpg)

dust conditions are tough..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/221895439-M.jpg)

this little buggy went to market... this little buggy hauled ass...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/221919769-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on November 17, 2007, 12:19:54 pm

Got back from Baja... Some of what I got...


Wow, you really captured the action. I really love the first one, especially!  :thumbsup:
Great work!!!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on November 20, 2007, 07:06:24 pm
So I went out and decided to play around with my settings on my Canon. I took this picture off a river on a overcast day with the sun peeking through, Its kinda different but neat. My friend says it looks like a oil slick   :crazy:  not the look i was going for  :lol:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/IMG_2356.jpg)

My new toy.  :D

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/DSC01219.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on November 24, 2007, 08:14:28 pm
Good luck with the toy... Go git 'em....


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on November 24, 2007, 11:07:49 pm
All three photos rock, but I dig this one:



this little buggy went to market... this little buggy hauled ass...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/221919769-M.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: jed on November 28, 2007, 10:38:13 pm
I done a stupid thing.

I needed a portrait lens so I bought a 85 1.4 Nikon from KEH.  Then I wanted a standard so I ordered a lightly used 50 1.4.  And a fast zoom would be nice so I added a 80-200 2.8 IF to the order.  Then I thought a ball head would be good and there was a B1 with plates.....

Anyway I got the 85.  Bestest lens ever.  Haven't shot the 50 yet.  85-200 and B1 get here tomorrow.

And then looking at my D70 and reading about the D300 I called around and found one in stock.  It'll be here Friday.

I'm an idiot. And a poor one at that.  Now I feel I need to go buy a nice Epson printer and a new workstation with 5 drives (1 for OS, 2 Raid for Photoshop swap file, and 2 Raid for storage)

Anybody interested in a D70 body???    :D

Goofing around with the 85 on the D70

(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l109/jwible/DSC_1668Small-Edit.jpg)

1/4000 1:1.4 no flash jpg unedited.  I expect the tones and metering to be better on the D300 by just a touch.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on November 29, 2007, 10:23:43 am
Yeah I decided to get a D300 (in Jan)....

Jeeze I hate myself, I have no self control.. Last month  I got a 200/400 f4 and I thought it would satisfy my camera equip. lust.

I'm reading good things about the 300 iso performance with one troublesome issue. Many have been over exposing. Some have used -2/3 Exposure comp. I would be interested in seeing your experience.





Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on November 29, 2007, 10:35:16 am

Yeah I decided to get a D300 (in Jan)....

Jeeze I hate myself, I have no self control.. Last month  I got a 200/400 f4 and I thought it would satisfy my camera equip. lust.

I'm reading good things about the 300 iso performance with one troublesome issue. Many have been over exposing. Some have used -2/3 Exposure comp. I would be interested in seeing your experience.



After owning various types and brands of photo equipment over the past 25 years or so I can tell you one indisputable thing.

The lust never ends.  :drool:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on November 29, 2007, 11:47:38 am
You are not kidding Fred, since you let me play with the 85mm I am saving for that one next.   :D  I am thinking maybe this month. I have already went through two bags and now i am on my third Tamrac.  :crazy:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on November 29, 2007, 12:04:09 pm

You are not kidding Fred, since you let me play with the 85mm I am saving for that one next.   :D  I am thinking maybe this month. I have already went through two bags and now i am on my third Tamrac.  :crazy:


Grasshopper, you need many more years of experience in all things photographically lusty.  :D I have too many bags, all kinds of cables and I am getting ready to buy bag number 5(!) for my current lineup of equipment.  :crazy:

It looks like I'm headed back to Istanbul for a week on December 28 and as it will be as wintery there as it is here I wont be using the backpack I hauled everything around in last trip, so I need a more totable case as I will be walking one hell of a lot.

Buy your next bag with some extra storage space as you know you will be filling it up. Another thing to plan for is how long (In a day) will you be carrying it for? Can it be used as a backpack? Will it fit in the trunk of your Gold Wing? Also be careful of Tamrac. They have a cheaper line of bags that are utterly worthless. The cheaper line uses very low grade padding that flattens out in a few years or less depending on use. The stuff you want has the cross-hatch pattern on the inner padding.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on November 29, 2007, 01:31:18 pm
Yes,  I made sure it fits the trunk of the Wing :cool:. This one works great so far. I can even carry my heavy duty tripod in the tripod holder.  :D

(http://www.tamrac.com/5575m.jpg)

(http://www.tamrac.com/5575_DigPk1-M.JPG)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on November 29, 2007, 01:33:28 pm

I done a stupid thing.

I needed a portrait lens so I bought a 85 1.4 Nikon from KEH.  Then I wanted a standard so I ordered a lightly used 50 1.4.  And a fast zoom would be nice so I added a 80-200 2.8 IF to the order.  Then I thought a ball head would be good and there was a B1 with plates.....

Anyway I got the 85.  Bestest lens ever.  Haven't shot the 50 yet.  85-200 and B1 get here tomorrow.

And then looking at my D70 and reading about the D300 I called around and found one in stock.  It'll be here Friday.

I'm an idiot. And a poor one at that.  Now I feel I need to go buy a nice Epson printer and a new workstation with 5 drives (1 for OS, 2 Raid for Photoshop swap file, and 2 Raid for storage)

Anybody interested in a D70 body???    :D

Goofing around with the 85 on the D70

(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l109/jwible/DSC_1668Small-Edit.jpg)

1/4000 1:1.4 no flash jpg unedited.  I expect the tones and metering to be better on the D300 by just a touch.


Looks nice, I have a 50mm f1.8 and thats what I use until I can get a 85mm in the next few weeks.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: jed on November 29, 2007, 01:49:46 pm
The focal point isn't quite right, but I love the DOF on the 85.  Her hand is sharp as a tack and then everything else just starts to fade out.

Brown Santa should be here in a couple of hours with the 70-200, bag and B1.  Time to shoot the Christmas card pics!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on November 29, 2007, 01:56:28 pm

Yes,  I made sure it fits the trunk of the Wing :cool:. This one works great so far. I can even carry my heavy duty tripod in the tripod holder.  :D

(http://www.tamrac.com/5575m.jpg)

(http://www.tamrac.com/5575_DigPk1-M.JPG)


I got one of these for my 200/400 + cam (in center). Spreads the weight pretty good. I usually put back pack on pillon seat/gear bag. Good for easy access, bad for security.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on November 29, 2007, 02:00:28 pm



After owning various types and brands of photo equipment over the past 25 years or so I can tell you one indisputable thing.

The lust never ends.  :drool:


I think I know that. Is there a support group around to stop the attraction. Every time I get together with photogs, they all have the same affliction...    :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on November 29, 2007, 02:05:31 pm

The focal point isn't quite right, but I love the DOF on the 85.  Her hand is sharp as a tack and then everything else just starts to fade out.

Brown Santa should be here in a couple of hours with the 70-200, bag and B1.  Time to shoot the Christmas card pics!


Really?? Looks really good on my 24" Dell monitor everything looks good.  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on November 29, 2007, 02:14:58 pm
That cam looks good at that $. I have the LX1 P&S. Other than poor low light performance it has all the adjustments outside. The panny forums liked the FZ line.

good luck with it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on November 29, 2007, 05:07:29 pm



I think I know that. Is there a support group around to stop the attraction. Every time I get together with photogs, they all have the same affliction...    :D


When it first hit me in the late teens, my Father called it the "I wants".   :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on December 01, 2007, 02:58:17 pm
So you guys think you can shoot? Try this:

http://hk.promo.yahoo.com/movie/superman/Stop_Press_Game/


Title: I need a good point and shoot for rides
Post by: XLR8 on December 02, 2007, 09:46:41 pm
I already have a DSLR so I'm good there.  :thumbsup:

I need a P & S that has good image quality. I won't shoot indoors and it doesn't have to be more than 5MP. I've heard the Fujifilm 31fd is great but they are hard to find these days.

I've read some reviews I just want to get an opinion from other riders. I was looking at the Canon G9 but I don't want to pay that much.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on December 02, 2007, 09:50:49 pm
I have a pana LX1.

Most controls are outside and it has 3 aspect ratios (one wide for landscapes - neat). My model has poor low light performance (noise) but maybe the series has improved. Go to dpreviews and lurk the forums a little.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on December 08, 2007, 08:02:56 pm
Getting used to my 200/400..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/230110733-S.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/230110803-S.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/230110864-S.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on December 08, 2007, 09:10:33 pm

Getting used to my 200/400..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/230110733-S.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/230110803-S.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/230110864-S.jpg)


Wow. Very nice.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on December 09, 2007, 11:52:59 pm
FWIW, I just listed my old film camera on Craigslist.

http://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/pho/504309583.html

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on December 12, 2007, 10:34:31 am
Hmm... This is good..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/231570092-S.jpg)

This is not so good...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/231570179-S.jpg)

This is bad...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/231570560-S.jpg)

Comments on image quality in the methods thread

Ohhh.. this was at the super bowl of roded in vegas on Tuesday. Its still on.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: jed on December 19, 2007, 01:02:37 pm
Pics from the D300 with the 80-200 2.8.  ISO set to 800 and lens set to 5.0


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on December 20, 2007, 03:25:48 pm
How do you like the 80-200 on focusing speed?

I'm going to get the d300 in Jan and Santa claims hes getting me a 70-200 2.8

I think you needed a faster shutter speed like 1000 - 1500, it could reduce camera shake effect and the 300 should be able to handle high auto iso (especially in daylight). I would try f4 1000- 1250 in manual, don't know if it would improve but it should.

Nice bokeh. Good luck with the setup.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: jed on December 20, 2007, 04:01:15 pm

How do you like the 80-200 on focusing speed?

I'm going to get the d300 in Jan and Santa claims hes getting me a 70-200 2.8

I think you needed a faster shutter speed like 1000 - 1500, it could reduce camera shake effect and the 300 should be able to handle high auto iso (especially in daylight). I would try f4 1000- 1250 in manual, don't know if it would improve but it should.

Nice bokeh. Good luck with the setup.


The focus speed isn't so bad with the with the lens, but the VR lens is supposed to faster.  It's an 80-200 by the way.  I always think it's the 70-200 but it's the cheaper one.

I saw the hawk sitting in a tree and got a few of him sitting and only got the one shot when he took off.  I'm not accustomed to tracking with a lens that big and an object that small.  

I just checked the tag -- F/10 800ISO 200MM 1/1600.  Resolution 300.  I shot it in fine JPG instead of RAW.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on December 20, 2007, 05:49:37 pm
those "birders" like to use tripods. Its hard when so many parts of the subject is moving (harder than cars)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: jed on December 20, 2007, 06:35:39 pm

those "birders" like to use tripods. Its hard when so many parts of the subject is moving (harder than cars)


I've got a nice carbon one with a B1 head down stairs, I heard a hawk when I took out the trash and then saw the mate in a neighbors tree.  Grabbed the camera, set it to P and started taking pics.  I think I may get a monopod for shoots at tracks in the future.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on December 23, 2007, 02:55:41 pm
Moonset this morning

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/235235065-S-1.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on December 23, 2007, 03:02:46 pm
Ok, here is a dilemma: I am headed back to Istanbul for a week, leaving 12-27. I am trying to decide which gear to leave at home, taking into consideration what I used on my last trip and it isn't helping one damned bit. The lenses I can do without are: my 200mm 2.8 and my 85mm 1.8. Knowing this, and the potential savings in weight I also have that old fear of if I dont have it I will need it, which happened to me the day I left my tripod where I was staying.

Of course if the people I was walking around with had the slightest courtesy to tell me where we were going I would have brought it.  


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on December 23, 2007, 03:14:23 pm
My most used lens traveling is my 18/200 3.5-5.6. But low light performance is not the best & the variable aperture drives me nutz. A lot of folks like the 24-85 +/- range for travel.

That said on my travels I'm usually in a restaurant when darkness happens so I don't need a good low light lens EXCEPT when I'm in a concert in a Greek/Roman ruin with the light show. I would love to catch the magic.

I hope this helped; enjoy your trip.

BTW Merry Christmas all....



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on December 23, 2007, 09:42:34 pm
I'm of no help with your question Fred, but Merry Christmas to everyone!

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on December 23, 2007, 09:47:41 pm
I finally got to play with my Gorillapod last night. I went to the park in downtown Ottawa, IL, where the first Lincoln/Douglas debate was held. Here are a couple of the shots I took.

Jeff

(http://www.jeff-cook.com/pics/abe1.jpg)
(http://www.jeff-cook.com/pics/abe2.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on December 24, 2007, 03:38:13 am

I'm of no help with your question Fred, but Merry Christmas to everyone!

Jeff


No prob-Back at ya.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on December 24, 2007, 12:41:25 pm

I finally got to play with my Gorillapod last night. I went to the park in downtown Ottawa, IL, where the first Lincoln/Douglas debate was held. Here are a couple of the shots I took.


Those are really cool. Well done.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Dr Gil on December 24, 2007, 02:03:16 pm
Oh fine!  Now I have another thread I have to follow... :rolleyes:

Santa just brought me a new Canon 30D with a 28-90mm 1.4-5.6 lens and I'm a bit overwhelmed at my ignorance.  This thread should help.

I've taken pictures all my life.  Photos of me as a child always include a Kodak Brownie hanging around my neck.  I actually considered going professional at one time.  Then about 10 years ago I simply quit.  I put my cameras away, tore down the darkroom and bought a series of point and shoot digital cameras.  Naturally the quality of my images took a beating...but lately my interest has returned.  So I cleaned up my last two remaining film cameras and their lenses, put them on eBay (a Nikon F3 HP and a medium format Pentax 6X7) and sold them.  I bought the Canon with the profits.   :)

So now I'm stuck playing catch up.  I've forgotten much of what I once knew and am struggling with trying to understand what's up with all this new technology.  I've just read several pages of this thread and am impressed with the level of knowledge and quality of the images posted here.  I hope you don't get too tired of all the ignorant questions I plan to ask.

So let's get started.  Ignorant question #1:  What's up with RAW images?  Is this pretty much used strictly for "art shots?"  If I understand correctly you pretty much have to edit every image when using it.  Is the end result really that much better than a high-quality jpeg?   :headscratch:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: XLR8 on December 24, 2007, 02:26:00 pm
Dr Gil,

I highly recommend a book called Understanding Exposure. It's easy to read, enjoyable and very very good. It's considered the best by many.

I also recommend this website.
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/

Get a copy of Photoshop Elements (or Photoshop CS3 if you are rich)

About RAW. It's almost as bad as motorcycle oil discussions. I shoot in RAW almost all the time because it gives one more data to work with. However, if I am just taking vacation photos then I switch to JPEG to save space. Everyone has an opinion on RAW and it's a personal thing.

Finally, someone was talking Gorillapod. I purchased one for my trip down under. Here's a nighttime shot of the Sydney Harbour. This was my first ever night shot. I learned many things in just this one nighttime outing!  :)

(http://enzo.zenfolio.com/img/v2/p795510739-4.jpg)

(http://enzo.zenfolio.com/img/v2/p566609038-4.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on December 24, 2007, 07:28:02 pm
My opinion on RAW files- Think of the digital version of a negative versus a polaroid. No self-respecting professional shoots anything besides RAW of TIF (If the digicam offers the option).

By its very nature, JPG is not made for adjustments, even though it can be done. They are mainly for convenience and one of many end results. Shooting JPGs in order to save space is a questionable method since memory cards are just so damned inexpensive.

Even for "snapshots" si still use RAW just in case I capture one of those rare images.

Also, regarding memory cards- If you can, avoid buying the higher capacity (Over 1 gigbyte) cards for one main reason. Sometimes the cards fail. They are hard to damage but will fail without warning. I have had this happen to me three times, thankfully not while shooting anything important, but I did lose all those images. I have two 2 gig cards (Bought before I learned my lesson) and ten 10-gig cards. They're cheap so it doesnt matter. Forget Micro-drives- Their time has passed and they dont work in low pressure mountain regions due to some quirk of their internal bearings.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on December 24, 2007, 07:52:44 pm
Hey Jeff, nice shots. Xlr8 nice night work.

On the subject of raw, thunder 7 is right. However as a noob, I found shooting raw easier than jpg.

I used to get so fouled up with the unfamiliar cam knobs & adjustments in the heat of taking shots of the "ultimate capture".

While your "work flow" increases in post processing with raw, you have more time to make adjustments. Learn to delete & delete a lot of your early shots since you will get to speed pretty quickly, so you may not want to fill your computer (an external drive is a good idea), since raw is a larger file.

Picassa 2 is a free processing software that has a friendly user interface. Don't buy photoshop until you get more experienced (its expensive & complicated)

My .02


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on December 24, 2007, 11:23:31 pm

My opinion on RAW files- Think of the digital version of a negative versus a polaroid. No self-respecting professional shoots anything besides RAW of TIF (If the digicam offers the option)........snip


Actually lots of self-respecting professionals shoot in jpeg.  Including those in the sports or photo journalism fields.  RAW is great for difficult lighting situations or when you know up front that the image that you "see" in your head is going to require a fair bit of manipulation of the image in your view finder.  Otherwise learning to use your equipment so that you get it right in the camera is a much more efficient means of producing images than is constant post processing.

A good primer on file formats, http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/raw.htm


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on December 24, 2007, 11:51:25 pm
XLR8 those night shots are awesome!

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: XLR8 on December 25, 2007, 01:18:14 am

XLR8 those night shots are awesome!

Jeff


Thanks Jeff. Interestingly I didn't take those in RAW because I forgot to switch my camera from JPEG.  :rolleyes:

I get out there and I get excited and I make dumb mistakes. That's my biggest photographic challenge; Just slowing it down and making good decisions. Hey, sounds like riding.  :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on December 25, 2007, 01:30:14 am
Many pros shoot jpeg&raw simultaneously. Send the jpegs to client so they can choose what they want; then rework the raw images for final submittal. Of course the resolution of newspapers don't require the finest technical image, the capture is more important.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on December 25, 2007, 01:38:56 am



Actually lots of self-respecting professionals shoot in jpeg.  Including those in the sports or photo journalism fields.  RAW is great for difficult lighting situations or when you know up front that the image that you "see" in your head is going to require a fair bit of manipulation of the image in your view finder.  Otherwise learning to use your equipment so that you get it right in the camera is a much more efficient means of producing images than is constant post processing.

A good primer on file formats, http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/raw.htm


Hey I stand corrected. Personally, I cant imaging shooting just JPG due to my needs.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on December 25, 2007, 08:18:10 am
And that's exactly it.  Different end uses, different shooting environments may dictate different workflows.
Cheers and Merry X-Mas.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on December 27, 2007, 03:54:29 pm

Many pros shoot jpeg&raw simultaneously. Send the jpegs to client so they can choose what they want; then rework the raw images for final submittal. Of course the resolution of newspapers don't require the finest technical image, the capture is more important.


For all intent and purpose resolution is not file type dependent, i.e., a large jpeg has the same resolution as a RAW image (RAW images aren't resizable in camera).  And before anyone jumps in and tries to correct this statement and repeat the misinformation that a RAW image has much greater resolution than a jpeg, I'll cave and admit that yes it's true....A large jpeg only has about 99% the resolution of a RAW file.
Cheers.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on December 29, 2007, 10:08:56 pm
True, however its difficult to subvert the camera settings in jpeg; you just have more adjustment flexibility. BTW I wasn't talking about resolution between raw/jpeg. I was talking about the print resolution of a newspaper.

Went to the track today in the fog. Then light rain. Though I could get interesting subject separation with background fog. I got a little but the color became sedimented/noisy because of rain drops.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/237318835-M.jpg)


Title: Heads Up For Travelers
Post by: XLR8 on December 31, 2007, 09:38:50 am
I travel a lot and I just saw this over on DPReview. The way I roll I would have lost some batteries. Hope it helps.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0712/07123101batteryrestrictions.asp


Title: Re: Heads Up For Travelers
Post by: Dr Gil on January 01, 2008, 12:29:41 pm

I travel a lot and I just saw this over on DPReview. The way I roll I would have lost some batteries. Hope it helps.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0712/07123101batteryrestrictions.asp


Nicely done!   :thumbsup:

I heard part of a report on NPR about this new regulation just this morning and was confused by it.  This link made it clear in my mind (not an easy thing to accomplish).


Title: Re: Heads Up For Travelers
Post by: kurtw on January 01, 2008, 09:29:07 pm
I travel a lot and I just saw this over on DPReview. The way I roll I would have lost some batteries. Hope it helps.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/0712/07123101batteryrestrictions.asp

I guess you could sneak one more battery through with a battery grip (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/373932-REG/Canon_0211B001_BG_E3_Vertical_Grip_Battery_Holder.html) installed.

I think TSA has decided that air travel would be safest if nobody traveled by air, and is adding one deterrent at a time until that goal is accomplished. That's the only logical explanation....


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: XLR8 on January 01, 2008, 10:48:29 pm
I got taken aside and was given a stern talking to for trying to carry on my Gorrillapod in Australia. What was I thinking?  :headscratch:


Title: Re: Heads Up For Travelers
Post by: ZED on January 01, 2008, 11:44:13 pm

...
I think TSA has decided that air travel would be safest if nobody traveled by air, and is adding one deterrent at a time until that goal is accomplished. That's the only logical explanation....


Works for me.  I've spent waaay too much time being treated like a convict at the hands of the airlines and airport security.  If I can't ride or drive there, I'm pretty hesitant to go these days.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Dr Gil on January 02, 2008, 12:12:11 am
ok, ignorant question # 2...Histograms

so I just read kurtw's  (hiya kurt  :) ) posting on histograms...so what's up with these histograms?  I totally don't get them.  In my analog training I learned to have an absolute black point and and an absolute white point in my photos.  An 18% gray card was my friend.

So how do histograms relate?  Do I need to adjust black/white in my mind?

See, I told you I would ask ignorant questions.   :headscratch:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: XLR8 on January 02, 2008, 12:45:22 am

ok, ignorant question # 2...Histograms

so I just read kurtw's  (hiya kurt  :) ) posting on histograms...so what's up with these histograms?  I totally don't get them.  In my analog training I learned to have an absolute black point and and an absolute white point in my photos.  An 18% gray card was my friend.

So how do histograms relate?  Do I need to adjust black/white in my mind?

See, I told you I would ask ignorant questions.   :headscratch:



I love this site.

http://luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/understanding-series/understanding-histograms.shtml


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on January 02, 2008, 01:01:33 am



I love this site.

http://luminous-landscape.com/tutorials/understanding-series/understanding-histograms.shtml


Hi Gil!

There you go. I second that link.

The short of histgrams charts is that it shows how many pixels are at each tone in your image. The left side is dark tones (shadows), center is midtones, right side is light tones (highlights).

To complete the example in the other thread, here are the histograms before and after the edit.  In the before image, the chart shows a significant part of the image up against the far right edge, the white point. Correcting the exposure moves the chart towards the center for a more balanced exposure, with just a few pixels of pure white, and just a few pure black. That may not be what you want for every image, but it's probably closer to what you would shoot for in this one.

You'll want to figure out how to set your camera to show the histogram when reviewing images in the field so that you can better judge the exposure of photos as you take them.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 13, 2008, 12:36:15 am
this morning.... Mavericks surf contest

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/242715157-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on January 13, 2008, 12:56:41 am

this morning.... Mavericks surf contest

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/242715157-M.jpg)


Not a wave I'd like to have someone drop in on me on...

Great shot! Were you on a boat?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 13, 2008, 03:53:12 pm
Yup and the water traffic was a nightmare. Crowded as hell (where all my friends are)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ol Rocket on January 16, 2008, 05:24:03 pm

Oh fine!  Now I have another thread I have to follow... :rolleyes:

Santa just brought me a new Canon 30D with a 28-90mm 1.4-5.6 lens and I'm a bit overwhelmed at my ignorance.  This thread should help.

I've taken pictures all my life.  Photos of me as a child always include a Kodak Brownie hanging around my neck.  I actually considered going professional at one time.  Then about 10 years ago I simply quit.  I put my cameras away, tore down the darkroom and bought a series of point and shoot digital cameras.  Naturally the quality of my images took a beating...but lately my interest has returned.  So I cleaned up my last two remaining film cameras and their lenses, put them on eBay (a Nikon F3 HP and a medium format Pentax 6X7) and sold them.  I bought the Canon with the profits.   :)

So now I'm stuck playing catch up.  I've forgotten much of what I once knew and am struggling with trying to understand what's up with all this new technology.  I've just read several pages of this thread and am impressed with the level of knowledge and quality of the images posted here.  I hope you don't get too tired of all the ignorant questions I plan to ask.

So let's get started.  Ignorant question #1:  What's up with RAW images?  Is this pretty much used strictly for "art shots?"  If I understand correctly you pretty much have to edit every image when using it.  Is the end result really that much better than a high-quality jpeg?   :headscratch:


Why must you always better me?  I develop an interest in something and buy a used semi-good item and then you come along and you get a new, much-better item.  You're always better and I don't like it.  Motorcycles, cameras, women...

take that!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 16, 2008, 07:23:38 pm
Yeah and take this DrGil:

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/244158128-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 17, 2008, 08:29:42 am
Nice photos guys.  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: XLR8 on January 17, 2008, 09:30:19 am
I like Dr Gil's better than ol Rocket's













 :p


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 17, 2008, 10:16:39 am
Okay I will play too, for those who like macros. I have not learned how to get rid of the white background though  :(

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/bee.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 17, 2008, 10:26:32 am
So can anybody see the areas I cloned out? Leash around neck and across the grass going left?
I have zero photoshops skills and I am now praticing to get better, Thanks.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/961.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 17, 2008, 10:47:17 am
Good clone job.

I too am trying to learn PP skills. I'm still on spot removal (light cloning) in Lightroom. It comes hard to me.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 17, 2008, 10:53:29 am
I just got lightroom myself I have messed with it alittle. I play with Adobe Element 5 for anything I have been editing.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 17, 2008, 11:41:38 am
Very nice Fred. You in for coffee this Sunday in Milwaukee?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 17, 2008, 11:42:54 am
Pisch..ahaaaa.... Showoff...

Nice stuff Fred...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 17, 2008, 12:58:03 pm
 :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 17, 2008, 01:29:16 pm

Pisch..ahaaaa.... Showoff...

Nice stuff Fred...



Thanks. Seems to be no smiley for taking a bow.......  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 17, 2008, 01:32:51 pm

Very nice Fred. You in for coffee this Sunday in Milwaukee?


I'm in, Joe. Just posted my response in that thread. Can you get a taser?  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 17, 2008, 02:48:03 pm
Don't taze me bro.  :bigok:
And since this is a photo thread:
(http://www.motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/242994557-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 17, 2008, 03:14:15 pm
Nice Matt as always.  :thumbsup:  I like the new bike as well.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 17, 2008, 03:25:00 pm
Nice Matt... Great treatment.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 18, 2008, 10:31:51 pm
FYI: I just posted in the Non- Bike items of our classified section that I'm selling one of my photo backpacks if anybody is interested.
https://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,20606.0.html



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: XLR8 on January 19, 2008, 06:19:54 pm
High above Cole's Bay, Tasmania

(http://enzo.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p303578806-3.jpg)

(http://enzo.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p34162345-3.jpg)

(http://enzo.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p44639323-3.jpg)

I can't remember if I posted this little guy

(http://enzo.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p693465706-3.jpg)

And this gal

(http://enzo.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p758266311-4.jpg)

Ever seen a wombat?

(http://enzo.zenfolio.com/img/v3/p1065014734-3.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ol Rocket on January 23, 2008, 11:32:38 pm
Do you have any pictures of a vegimite?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 30, 2008, 11:36:58 pm
Anybody recommend a good Canon repair shop? A friend of mine has a Canon Digital Rebel (the 6.1 MP camera) that has a broken LCD (dog knocked the cam off a table) and a stuck shutter. When the shutter gets opened, the little flaps the make up the shutter twist, preventing closure.

Thanks,
Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 31, 2008, 11:43:03 am
Anybody insure their cameras? Who do you use? I know you can use your home owners if you also want to pay the deductable first. :rolleyes:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on January 31, 2008, 12:05:02 pm

Anybody insure their cameras? Who do you use? I know you can use your home owners if you also want to pay the deductable first. :rolleyes:


Just avoid the extended warranties, IMHO. They are all scams. My first and last experience with one was regarding a cracked LCD. Mack refused to cover it (quite a surprise after the sales pitch I got for it). Just recently a friend sent his in for repair for a bad popup flash and spent months going back and forth with the camera shop and insurer about "lost" paperwork before repairs could even start.

 ...So not worth it...  :thumbsdown:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 31, 2008, 12:19:13 pm

Anybody recommend a good Canon repair shop? A friend of mine has a Canon Digital Rebel (the 6.1 MP camera) that has a broken LCD (dog knocked the cam off a table) and a stuck shutter. When the shutter gets opened, the little flaps the make up the shutter twist, preventing closure.

Thanks,
Jeff


Canon has an office in Itasca (Right here in IL). I'd call them and find out.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 31, 2008, 12:24:30 pm



Just avoid the extended warranties, IMHO. They are all scams. My first and last experience with one was regarding a cracked LCD. Mack refused to cover it (quite a surprise after the sales pitch I got for it). Just recently a friend sent his in for repair for a bad popup flash and spent months going back and forth with the camera shop and insurer about "lost" paperwork before repairs could even start.

 ...So not worth it...  :thumbsdown:


Agreed- Unless abused or damaged by accident (See jeff's recent post) or just sheer randomness these cameras will last far beyond the length of any extended warranty. My Canon EOS 10D shot over 70000 images and was out in one very wet snow evening as well as the next evening being about 15 degrees colder. It was not known for any speacial weather sealing nor was the flash (Canon 500 series). I used it for another two years before I replaced it with my 30D and it never developed any problems.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on January 31, 2008, 12:28:32 pm


Agreed- Unless abused or damaged by accident (See jeff's recent post)

And despite the hard-sell pitch of the camera shop salesman (aka "lies"), the extended warranties specifically exclude these types of accidents. If this is why you're buying a warranty, read the fine print before you buy.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 31, 2008, 01:51:49 pm
I mean insured from accidentally dropping your camera or someone stealing it from your car, not the extend warranties sorry I should have been clearer.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: cognosticator on February 02, 2008, 07:25:23 pm
I received my Nikon D80 a couple of days ago and got out today and "played" around with it.  So far I am really liking this camera.  A hell of a lot of things to learn about it, but that is half the fun.

No motorcycle pics today, but here is a link to the pictures I took today:

http://www.pbase.com/cognosticator/nikon_d80


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 02, 2008, 07:56:00 pm
Nice images, good luck with the D80


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 02, 2008, 09:22:59 pm

I mean insured from accidentally dropping your camera or someone stealing it from your car, not the extend warranties sorry I should have been clearer.


Joe, having the equipment insured against loss is always a good idea. I dont know if those same policies cover dropping or any other kind of preventable damage. I've only had one camera in 35 years have any kind of impact damage and that was from being tossed around (in a case) in the trunk of a Taurus SHO prototype back in June of '88 while beating the crap out of the car on Ford's Dearborn track.

It was a Pentax 645 (Medium format) that ended up with a quite visible dent in the prism housing. The camera didnt seem to be affected but I took it to Pentax just in case. After careful examination, they told me nothing was wrong and I went on to use it for a few more years.

What getting at is like I told you about using a filter to protect the lens- Just be careful and you wont have to worry about that sort of thing.  :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: cognosticator on February 03, 2008, 07:04:00 am

Nice images, good luck with the D80


Thanks, I will be glad when I start touring again and get some pics with my bike in them   :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: cyjo on February 03, 2008, 03:14:28 pm

I received my Nikon D80 a couple of days ago and got out today and "played" around with it.  So far I am really liking this camera.  A hell of a lot of things to learn about it, but that is half the fun.

No motorcycle pics today, but here is a link to the pictures I took today:

http://www.pbase.com/cognosticator/nikon_d80


I was a little overwhelmed with my d70s when I first got it but now I love the thing. I have been using it in manual mode after fooling around with the P mode and I like the difference I feel more in control. Keep the pics coming.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: cognosticator on February 04, 2008, 07:31:32 am



I was a little overwhelmed with my d70s when I first got it but now I love the thing. I have been using it in manual mode after fooling around with the P mode and I like the difference I feel more in control. Keep the pics coming.


I have been doing a lot of reading about the camera and it's setup at www.kenrockwell.com

I will be making a donation to him soon as I pay a $215 traffic ticket next week  :crazy:  His site has helped me tremendously in setting up the D80 and although he touts the D40 over the D80 I still went with the D80.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 04, 2008, 10:54:24 am
You made the right choice... IMHO


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: XLR8 on February 05, 2008, 09:31:44 am
I think I posted my photos a few days ago in the wrong thread. I didn't realize there was a different thread.

Anyway, many people don't realize that if MS buys Yahoo they'll also own DPReview and Flickr. Just thought I'd mention it. It's interesting. I don't think anything would change. Heck, maybe DPReview's forum software will get better.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: XLR8 on February 05, 2008, 09:34:01 am

You made the right choice... IMHO


Really? I think the D80 is pretty classy but I love Canon lenses and the 40D is mighty cool.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on February 05, 2008, 09:46:04 am
I see a Canon 40D in my future.  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: XLR8 on February 05, 2008, 09:51:50 am

I see a Canon 40D in my future.  :D


It should have a little more dynamic range which is a plus for me. That's one thing I really want. But since I just purchased a Xti last year I really can't justify an upgrade at the moment. I need to practice more with what I have. It sure is nice though.  :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on February 05, 2008, 10:08:26 am
I did the same I just bought the 30D back in I think Sept. Just finally learning all features. I have a hard time justifying it as well but I say to my self what the heck you only live once. I am giving myself a few months more.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on February 05, 2008, 10:13:18 am
One of these days I will have a lens like this. 70-200mm

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/441607853_beacc2c44d.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: XLR8 on February 05, 2008, 10:22:55 am
Wow!

I have been pining for the 10-22 really really bad.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on February 05, 2008, 10:29:05 am
I am going to need a bigger bag if I get more lenses. I am already full again, I am on my 2nd upgrade to a bigger bag.  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 05, 2008, 11:04:06 am
Bigger bag?... Don't you will just fill it up.

I'm packing my Tamrac Expedition 8 for bikeweek with a 200/400 f4, 70/200 f4 (+1.4TC), 24/70 f4, Sigma 10/20, D70S & D200. I'll have to post a pic of my tripod/monopod kit for air travel.

why all the crap?

In one week you have Flat Track & Supermotocross Championships and the Daytona 200. Next to the Daytona track is a racing dog track & I'll be there to shoot it all and Oh.. I'll post some of the women's coleslaw wrestling contest.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on February 05, 2008, 11:19:53 am
I think I have the Expedition 4 or 5. Sounds like you are going to have a blast.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 05, 2008, 02:16:35 pm
My Exped 8 and bikeweek gear - 42lb

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/251256612-M.jpg)

Ready to launch...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/251256486-M.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ol Rocket on February 06, 2008, 11:09:29 am

My Exped 8 and bikeweek gear - 42lb

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/251256612-M.jpg)

Ready to launch...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/251256486-M.jpg)




Is that a Kodak Brownie underneath the top strap? :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 06, 2008, 12:22:00 pm
Nah.. it's my CP pouch.

That said I wouldn't be surprised if a Brownie was in there. Finding stuff is a pain.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ModemRat on February 10, 2008, 11:19:22 pm
I created a writeup detailing the system I use for taking hours and hours of video while I'm on the road.  I take video with a digital camera, so does that still apply to this thread? *shrug* Hope this helps anyone interested in doing the same.

My Camera Setup (http://www.atlasrider.com/?p=213)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: JReazor on February 23, 2008, 11:20:49 pm
I'm looking for a compact camera that will still give me control over exposure, a hot shoe for a real flash and the ability to shoot RAW. The Canon G9 seems to fit the bill. Is there anything else I should be looking at?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 24, 2008, 01:14:01 am

I'm looking for a compact camera that will still give me control over exposure, a hot shoe for a real flash and the ability to shoot RAW. The Canon G9 seems to fit the bill. Is there anything else I should be looking at?


I dont think so , for the price. I'm considering a G9 to play around with for when I dont feel like lugging around my entire setup.
Nikon doesn't make an equivalent, the only others are Fuji but if I recall, their optics arent nearly as good as Canon's.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: JReazor on February 24, 2008, 10:27:36 am

I dont think so , for the price. I'm considering a G9 to play around with for when I dont feel like lugging around my entire setup.
Nikon doesn't make an equivalent, the only others are Fuji but if I recall, their optics arent nearly as good as Canon's.



Thanks for the input.

I think I'm coming to the same conclusion. The Olympus SP-570 UZ looks good on paper but it's so new that I'm having trouble digging up much info. It looks like it does everything the G9 does plus some. It gives you the ability to focus manually and has a much longer zoom (520mm equivalent). I suspect that they achieved that focal length the same way everyone else is at the moment, with a much smaller CCD.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on February 25, 2008, 09:06:53 am



I dont think so , for the price. I'm considering a G9 to play around with for when I dont feel like lugging around my entire setup.


I am doing just the opposite I am thinking on getting rid of most of my point and shoots so I have to bring my DSLR or I personally am never going to figure this thing out.  :lol:  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 25, 2008, 09:32:05 am




Thanks for the input.

I think I'm coming to the same conclusion. The Olympus SP-570 UZ looks good on paper but it's so new that I'm having trouble digging up much info. It looks like it does everything the G9 does plus some. It gives you the ability to focus manually and has a much longer zoom (520mm equivalent). I suspect that they achieved that focal length the same way everyone else is at the moment, with a much smaller CCD.


As much as I like Canon better than Olympus, dont walk away form Olympus so quickly. They have so much experience in the optical arena that years ago they were the first to invent reasonably priced LD (Low Dispersion) optics and put them to use in lower end cameras (Not low quality, just lower end than usual).

I will say that I dont like any memory card format besides CF (Compact Flash) as it is the most durable- It was designed that way from the start and unless Olympus has changed their functioning their flash systems have this annoying double pulse (Not red eye reduction) that makes shooting certain things almost, if not completely impossible- And many times annoying.

Ok, so what I'm saying is maybe you want to avoid Olympus after all :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Headmanbrewing on February 25, 2008, 03:51:47 pm



I will say that I dont like any memory card format besides CF (Compact Flash) as it is the most durable- It was designed that way from the start ...


Fred, I have never used anything but Sandisk SD cards and haven't had any problems.  Is this a known weak spot?  I also don't use my camera to the extent that you hardcore guys do.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 25, 2008, 05:13:17 pm



Fred, I have never used anything but Sandisk SD cards and haven't had any problems.  Is this a known weak spot?  I also don't use my camera to the extent that you hardcore guys do.


I'm sorry but one thing I seem to always forget to take into consideration is that most people here dont shoot nearly as much or as often as I do and I apply my (very) subjective experiences to my feelings on products.

In standard consumer usages, the physically smaller cards are just fine.

I hope that clarifies things a little :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Headmanbrewing on February 26, 2008, 11:53:53 am

...most people here dont shoot nearly as much or as often as I do...


I thought that that might have something to do with your opinion.  Understood and noted for further consideration.  :bigok:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 26, 2008, 01:33:35 pm



I thought that that might have something to do with your opinion.  Understood and noted for further consideration.  :bigok:


Cool  :bigok:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: daddysbike on March 02, 2008, 07:46:51 pm
I prefer the speed of focus, accurate control, quality optics and large bright viewfinder of the SLR.
My wife has a Canon digital point and shoot powershot, we use them at work and they do fine.
My first digital SLR was the Canon Digital Rebel as I had many Canon 35mm SLRs. It worked fine for years though the slightly smaller view through the finder bothered me some, also it was plastic in build quality and kind of cheap/consumer grade feel. After 4 years or so I inserted the CF card incorrectly damaging the pins/board inside the camera. I went to the camera shop to check out the new Digital Rebel XT and saw the Nikons sitting next to them. I asked to see the Nikon D80 and was amazed at the difference in build quality. The Nikon is much more solid, both lens and body. Also the viewfinder is much brighter and the image is more magnified like in the 35mm SLR. I went home and ordered one from amazon.com saving a few $$. I've had it over a year and over 1000 digital photos and love it. Worth the $$. The menu options are also much better than the Canon. I also got the Magic Lantern guide/book for the D80 which explains all the controls/menu options.
I realize you may not be looking for a SLR but they allow for much better photos/control than a point and shoot.

Steve


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on March 02, 2008, 09:44:23 pm
Steve that is one heckuva goose egg your little guy has in your avatar.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 10, 2008, 10:36:51 am
Back from Daytona bike week I have some stuff

Greyhounds, I love 'em...... Had one that looked exactly like this and raced in Mexico (Blue Brindle)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/264018830_EHDaR-M.jpg)

The gang

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/264018760_LGhjT-M.jpg)

The chief of the rat Fugawe Tribe

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/264021824_iiMWy-M.jpg)

One of my favorites; Womens Cole Slaw Wrestling

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/264035946_yeXk4-M.jpg)

Still working thru the rest of the stuff



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 10, 2008, 11:19:59 am
Cole slaw was good,  look at the ladies feet. Almost got both up in the air.  :crazy:  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 10, 2008, 05:55:54 pm

Cole slaw was good,  look at the ladies feet. Almost got both up in the air.  :crazy:  :lol:


Yeah a little wider and it could get ugly...    :rolleyes:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 10, 2008, 05:58:26 pm
They already look wide enough for it to be VERY ugly.........   :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 10, 2008, 10:15:34 pm
 :lol: :lmao:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on March 10, 2008, 10:54:34 pm
You sure that wasn't cottage cheese wrestling?  :crazy:

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 10, 2008, 10:58:10 pm

You sure that wasn't cottage cheese wrestling?  :crazy:

Jeff

 :hurl: :hurl: :hurl:



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 11, 2008, 12:27:55 am
Actually all the gals got along pretty well and didn't take it too seriously and the crowd didn't. Pretty much fun and no problems with a lot of half drunk people

These folks watching the girls

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/264032705_Li8no-M.jpg)

Bars front yard

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/264031186_ouAGd-M.jpg)

Bars rear yard

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/264031961_9aWT5-M.jpg)

Thousands of bikers (parking $5) and $500 purse for the winning gal. It's a gold mine.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 11, 2008, 07:44:35 am
No hot women photos???   :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 12, 2008, 08:09:31 pm

No hot women photos???   :D


Not this year. Two years ago a former penthouse centerfold was trapzing around the ring with just a thong on. She was really hot, but the crowd was excited but civilized.

I can't post the shots I have. Sorry.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: evilmedic13 on March 12, 2008, 11:26:45 pm
  Not what you guys are hoping for, but check out my new bag, it's a Tamrac Adventure 9. Holds my A700 w/ the grip and my 28-200mm Tamron on it, my 5600 flash, Tokina 80-400mm, some cleaning gear,12AA batteries and 4-5 memory cards in the camera section w/ absolutely NO PROBLEM! The upper section can be removed but, I like to keep a bunch of stuff in there, especially when I bring it w/ me to work. It also has a nice compartment for a 17in laptop, although I will probably use it for printed material, such as maps(Gazeteer) and magazines.
  I even added a few patches from my collection.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/evil54/DSC00787-1.jpg)(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/evil54/DSC00785.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: DavidLSI on March 12, 2008, 11:48:36 pm

  Not what you guys are hoping for, but check out my new bag, it's a Tamrac Adventure 9. Holds my A700 w/ the grip and my 28-200mm Tamron on it, my 5600 flash, Tokina 80-400mm, some cleaning gear,12AA batteries and 4-5 memory cards in the camera section w/ absolutely NO PROBLEM! The upper section can be removed but, I like to keep a bunch of stuff in there, especially when I bring it w/ me to work. It also has a nice compartment for a 17in laptop, although I will probably use it for printed material, such as maps(Gazeteer) and magazines.
  I even added a few patches from my collection.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/evil54/DSC00787-1.jpg)(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j4/evil54/DSC00785.jpg)


Nice bag that does not scream steal me I contain camera equipment.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 13, 2008, 12:40:10 am
I have the Tamrac Digital Adventure. Your's looks better endowed. I like their modular system


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 13, 2008, 12:12:24 pm
I have something similar from them.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/DSC05170.jpg)

Even fits this little guy with no problem. 70-300mm IS

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/DSC05163.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 16, 2008, 02:23:40 pm
Hey, BTW I got a new bike. A 07 Sportster customized by Storz performance. Picked it up Tuesday

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/265954113_Xwd5n-M.jpg)

So here's a story you might get a chuckle from.

I stopped overnite in Cambria on the CA coast, because I once saw about a dozen CA vultures at a bird sanctuary, without a lens with reach. I was prepared this time (200/500 Tamron).

This bike is goddamn loud, even tho HD guys say its not too bad. I define loud as setting off car alarms passing parked cars.

So I get out of my room at 6:30am to catch the morning light & birds get excited at daybreak. I decide I'll have to walk the bike to street edge or risk waking up the entire zip code.

A freshwater creek unloads on the sand then flows into the ocean. Birds like to collect here to drink I suppose. I pull up on this bike and there must have been 500 birds that took off, most didn't return although I waited. I decided this is not a bike for bird watching.....


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 16, 2008, 02:45:28 pm

Hey, BTW I got a new bike. A 07 Sportster customized by Storz performance. Picked it up Tuesday

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/265954113_Xwd5n-M.jpg)

So here's a story you might get a chuckle from.

I stopped overnite in Cambria on the CA coast, because I once saw about a dozen CA vultures at a bird sanctuary, without a lens with reach. I was prepared this time (200/500 Tamron).

This bike is goddamn loud, even tho HD guys say its not too bad. I define loud as setting off car alarms passing parked cars.

So I get out of my room at 6:30am to catch the morning light & birds get excited at daybreak. I decide I'll have to walk the bike to street edge or risk waking up the entire zip code.

A freshwater creek unloads on the sand then flows into the ocean. Birds like to collect here to drink I suppose. I pull up on this bike and there must have been 500 birds that took off, most didn't return although I waited. I decided this is not a bike for bird watching.....



Yeah, that would be true    :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 17, 2008, 12:07:06 pm
Torags, Very cool looking bike.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 17, 2008, 12:43:03 pm
Anybody know of any freeware software to completely remove a photo from a harddrive? So a recovery program can't bring it back?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 17, 2008, 12:52:59 pm

Anybody know of any freeware software to completely remove a photo from a harddrive? So a recovery program can't bring it back?


Joe, this one's a few years old but it always worked well for me and its good for any kind of file, not just an image.
http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/system/shred.htm

Let me know how it works out for you.

FYI: In order to be sure the image is truly wiped from the drive select the maximum type of "destruction" the program has available.

Beware of one thing though- Short of physically destroying the hard drive (Taking a hammer to the actual platters then hitting it with an acetylene torch for example) you can never be sure the file is completely gone.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 17, 2008, 01:08:52 pm
I know I have a program that I have to recover files and no matter what I use to remove it, it always finds it and recovers it. Its doing its job by getting it back  :lol:  I used a program to write zeros to the drive repetitively and it still recovers it. :mad2: Least I know if I make a whoops I can fix it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on March 17, 2008, 01:16:42 pm

Hey, BTW I got a new bike. A 07 Sportster customized by Storz performance. Picked it up Tuesday
(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/265954113_Xwd5n-M.jpg)


Awesome bike! I'm going to need you to post more pics of it! I'd love something that style and loudness :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 17, 2008, 02:24:23 pm
(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/265408497_efnBR-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 17, 2008, 02:25:32 pm

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/265408497_efnBR-M.jpg)


That does look kind of fun....


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on March 17, 2008, 03:49:18 pm
Awesome! What I would really like is that Storz XR1200 that they put together.  :cool:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: DavidLSI on March 17, 2008, 04:56:40 pm

Awesome! What I would really like is that Storz XR1200 that they put together.  :cool:


oooh....
(http://www.partsmag.com/news_items/2005-February-Week1/2-3/Storz.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 17, 2008, 05:25:39 pm
For chrome Ho's.....                :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on March 17, 2008, 10:28:00 pm

For chrome Ho's.....                :D

I hear ya. Actually I'd like your bike with those forks and handle bars that are on the XR1200.

haha. I hijacked a digital camera thread with motorcycle discussion  :twofinger: :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on March 17, 2008, 11:29:30 pm

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/265408497_efnBR-M.jpg)


One of the best looking Harley's I've ever seen, and the Storz being another.

How's it handle? Does it get through the twisties alright?

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 18, 2008, 12:41:13 am
It handles real well. The trail is reduced somewhat by the change in wheel/tire sizes as well as raised an inch or so. It pretty flickable. Its just too loud.

BTW this is a portrait of a bike, driven to a specific golf course (without fences or houses). So it is an appropriate place to post it.  ;)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 18, 2008, 01:31:13 pm
Anybody use Photoshop CS3? How do you load the plugins? I see they are exe. files but when ya click on them it doesn't do anything did they download wrong?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: DavidLSI on March 19, 2008, 09:16:54 pm
I have a question for you experienced digital photo types....

I just bought a Canon Power Shot SX100IS  

The little 16meg card that it came wit holds 2 pictures if shoot in the superfine mode.  

So i bought a 4 gig SD card and like with a lot of things did not pay attention to the note that says only for use in high capacity devices...

What are the odds that it will not work?  i have lost the reciept so returning will be a hassle.

Thanks
DavidLSI


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on March 19, 2008, 10:10:59 pm

I have a question for you experienced digital photo types....

I just bought a Canon Power Shot SX100IS  

The little 16meg card that it came wit holds 2 pictures if shoot in the superfine mode.  

So i bought a 4 gig SD card and like with a lot of things did not pay attention to the note that says only for use in high capacity devices...

What are the odds that it will not work?  i have lost the reciept so returning will be a hassle.

Thanks
DavidLSI



Very little. I think you'll be fine. I checked Canon's website, and they have a 4gb card available for sale as a compatible accessory (http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=144&modelid=15672#SNAModelSuppliesAct).

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: DavidLSI on March 19, 2008, 11:02:42 pm
That is good news, thanks for looking.  :thumbsup:



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: JReazor on March 24, 2008, 03:00:08 pm
Well, I finally made a decision and picked up a Canon G9 on Saturday. I haven't had a chance to do much with it yet. Took a few pics of my nephews hunting for Easter Eggs on Sunday but that's about it. I will say that I'm impressed so far. It's so much faster then our old Nikon digital P&S and the glass is nice and sharp.

I look forward to spending some quality time with it this weekend. I'll post some pics and opinions when I have something worth posting.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 25, 2008, 08:23:26 am
Congrats JReazor on the new camera, I read that its pretty good. Throw some sample shots out.  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ol Rocket on March 26, 2008, 11:10:56 pm
The G9 can shoot RAW can't it?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on March 27, 2008, 12:01:56 am

The G9 can shoot RAW can't it?


Yes


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 27, 2008, 12:30:02 am

Well, I finally made a decision and picked up a Canon G9 on Saturday. I haven't had a chance to do much with it yet. Took a few pics of my nephews hunting for Easter Eggs on Sunday but that's about it. I will say that I'm impressed so far. It's so much faster then our old Nikon digital P&S and the glass is nice and sharp.

I look forward to spending some quality time with it this weekend. I'll post some pics and opinions when I have something worth posting.


You have chosen wisely.....  ;) If I could bring myself to carry a P&S that G9 would be it.


Title: Need input on a good camera
Post by: Bmwgsrider94 on March 27, 2008, 03:31:16 pm
I need some input on a good to great camera. Right now I have a Kodak Easyshare Z700 and for some reason everytime I download the software my computer starts to freeze up   :headscratch:.. I have tried everything to make it work and I am tired of the crap   :thumbsdown: So my question is what camera would be great to take on a trip ? Small enough to put in your pocket ? And has great software to download and use to share pictures ??


Title: Re: Need input on a good camera
Post by: Guzzipat on March 27, 2008, 04:00:30 pm
Samsung Digimax i6.

I bought one a couple of years ago, it is the easiest camera to use and download I have ever had.
To download pics on Vista you just plug the camera in, that's it. The on screen instructions tell you what to do then, you don't even need to load any software.
If you are using XP you load some software and then it is all automatic.

The camera itself is very small 9.5 by 6 cm., camera ,spare battery and a spare card go into a bag 12by 9cm., so you can easily carry it in your pocket. It is also tough, made of metal, automatic metal lens cover. I have dropped it several times but nothing happened.
It has a lithium rechargeable battery that will last 4-7 days on one charge, takes great still pictures. It also has video and sound recording capability. It is also an MP3 player and can play videos, but I haven't used that bit.
It has lots of different programmes for taking pictures, I just leave it on auto, seems to cope OK. even with portraits or landscapes.
If there is a better camera on the market for taking on a bike I haven't seen it.

Here is the web site;

http://www.samsungcamera.com/product/pro_view.asp?prol_uid=1284&cat_uid=12

They are available on Amazon.


Title: Re: Need input on a good camera
Post by: JonS on March 27, 2008, 04:20:16 pm
The current generation of Canon cameras are great. These are considered to be very good Canon PowerShot SD870.

 For downloading, the free program Picasa is very good and easy to use. Its free too.http://picasa.google.com/download/thanks.html


Title: Re: Need input on a good camera
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on March 27, 2008, 06:16:34 pm
I had a little Kodak Easyshare 8mp camera... can't remember the exact number.  Man, that was a great little camera; took fantastic pictures.  If it hadn't been lost, I'd still be using it as my 'motorcycle camera' today.

I think I'd grab one of those ruggedized/waterproof Olympus cameras to replace it though.


Title: Re: Need input on a good camera
Post by: frayne48 on March 27, 2008, 07:20:35 pm
Ditto on about anything Cannon or Nikon and Picassa.


Title: Re: Need input on a good camera
Post by: doodah man on March 28, 2008, 12:43:50 am
http://www.imaging-resource.com/

Check out Dave's picks.  For pocket-size cameras he is big on the following three:

Canon Powershot SD950 IS Digital Elph
Sony Cybershot DSC-W200
Canon Powershot SD1000 Digital Elph

In my experience it's hard to go wrong with Canon.


Title: Re: Need input on a good camera
Post by: garry on March 28, 2008, 06:37:19 am
I have a Canon A570 IS (w/ image stabilization) that I like a lot. 7 MP. NewEgg is selling them for $150 these days. Full manual control. Here's a link:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16830120194


Title: Re: Need input on a good camera
Post by: maddjack on March 28, 2008, 09:49:20 am
Another vote for Canon,great cameras


Title: Re: Need input on a good camera
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 28, 2008, 10:00:56 am
Canon G9.


Title: Re: Need input on a good camera
Post by: 2WheelTiger on March 28, 2008, 11:22:46 am
Canon 20D



Title: Re: Need input on a good camera
Post by: Thunder7 on March 28, 2008, 11:32:35 am

Canon 20D



Two generations back now that the 40D has been shipping. Forget the 20D.


Title: Re: Need input on a good camera
Post by: Bmwgsrider94 on March 28, 2008, 12:05:44 pm
Wow so many choices and ideas  :headscratch:  I greatly appreciate all the feedback from everyone and I think I know what I am going to buy now   :thumbsup: Thanks to everyone that responded that helps alot   :bigok:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 03, 2008, 06:21:49 pm
Ok- Heres one for everybody. I have occasionally played around with an old 4x5 Press Camera that is somewhere between 40 and 60 years old. The image on my site in the "Night" category where all the traffic is moving except for a bus on the right side was taken with it, using 4" x 5" sheet film. I just started playing with it again but this time using a Polaroid instant adapter, giving me an instant black and white print of 3 3/4" x 2 7/8". I'm still getting used to the centering- The Polaroid back slightly offsets the image.

Why? Because its COOL. Yeah, I'm geekin' out on the old stuff. I also have a medium format film back for it which takes 120 type film, which will give a 6mm x 8mm negative.

Here is the camera and one of the first prints. I scanned the print with a soon to fail Epson 2450 so the contrast and resolution isnt really up to par but it still gives an idea.




Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 03, 2008, 08:19:27 pm

Ok- Heres one for everybody. I have occasionally played around with an old 4x5 Press Camera that is somewhere between 40 and 60 years old. The image on my site in the "Night" category where all the traffic is moving except for a bus on the right side was taken with it, using 4" x 5" sheet film. I just started playing with it again but this time using a Polaroid instant adapter, giving me an instant black and white print of 3 3/4" x 2 7/8". I'm still getting used to the centering- The Polaroid back slightly offsets the image.

Why? Because its COOL. Yeah, I'm geekin' out on the old stuff. I also have a medium format film back for it which takes 120 type film, which will give a 6mm x 8mm negative.

Here is the camera and one of the first prints. I scanned the print with a soon to fail Epson 2450 so the contrast and resolution isnt really up to par but it still gives an idea.





That's awesome!  :thumbsup: Really cool Fred.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 03, 2008, 08:28:52 pm



That's awesome!  :thumbsup: Really cool Fred.


Thanks Jeff. I'm planning a new art project in order to use this camera. I'm not sure what film I'll end up using or I may just stick wiht the Polaroid instant stuff since its going off the market in the next 9-18 months.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on April 03, 2008, 08:34:40 pm



Thanks Jeff. I'm planning a new art project in order to use this camera. I'm not sure what film I'll end up using or I may just stick wiht the Polaroid instant stuff since its going off the market in the next 9-18 months.


So, if the Polaroid stuff is leaving in 9-18 months, what do you do after it goes? Back to the normal camera back? Or is there an alternative instant? Or do they have digital backs made like they do for some Hasselblads (sp?) ?

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 03, 2008, 08:45:41 pm



So, if the Polaroid stuff is leaving in 9-18 months, what do you do after it goes? Back to the normal camera back? Or is there an alternative instant? Or do they have digital backs made like they do for some Hasselblads (sp?) ?

Jeff


There are no current plans to stop production of 4x5 sheet film so I wont have to worry about that. Medium format film is also going to be around for some time. Digital backs for medium format cameras run the range- The latest I have seen starts at around 8 thousand and goes as high as 38 thousand. That has pretty much insured the fact that medium format film is nowhere near dead yet.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Hardware on April 13, 2008, 08:28:50 am
...I used a program to write zeros to the drive repetitively and it still recovers it. :mad2: ...


Try writing ones to the drive. ;)






















[I'm a smartass...sorry]


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 18, 2008, 08:04:30 am
I have a new camera Ram mount for the Wing I really have several of them just have to install them.  :D  I wonder how good the IS is on the Canon lens  :shrug:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/DSC01413.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/DSC01412.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 18, 2008, 10:42:59 am
Nice job.

But don't think you have it beat. How will the cam discern the subject past that yella squashed thing on your windscreen

 :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 18, 2008, 10:54:05 am
 :lol:  My luck it would only focus on the windshield LOL. I was worried about it falling off the mount somehow  :crazy:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 18, 2008, 04:55:47 pm
Seriously, I would be also... Can you tether it?...

The ram mounts pass along a lot of shock, have you thought of that?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 18, 2008, 08:42:29 pm

Seriously, I would be also... Can you tether it?...

The ram mounts pass along a lot of shock, have you thought of that?


I just put it on there for laughs, theres now way I would ride with it on there.  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 18, 2008, 08:50:42 pm



I just put it on there for laughs, theres now way I would ride with it on there.  :D

 :lol: Glad to hear that- I was beginning to think maybe a conversation was necessary.......



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: DavidLSI on April 18, 2008, 09:28:57 pm



I just put it on there for laughs, theres now way I would ride with it on there.  :D


Looks like they did not get in here either..... :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 20, 2008, 07:30:59 am



Looks like they did not get in here either..... :D


Nope...  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 20, 2008, 10:42:14 am
Well I went to Daytona for Bikeweek. Took lots of pix, lost a 4gb card somewhere, and found it this week. This was my best shot of the entire week. Sunrise at the pier...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/281329858_Ecn9a-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 21, 2008, 08:11:07 am
If the weather out here plays ball I plan on doing this all next weekend. Very nice sunrise.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on April 23, 2008, 10:56:21 pm
Just got a new Nikon D3 at the office to play with for a couple of days.  Evaluating it as a possible replacement for one of our 5D's to be utilized for large group photos.  The fact that having a D3 in our inventory would put a D3 at MY disposal has absolutely nothing to do with my evaluation :D

Those that don't know....My employer is a Canon house but all my personal gear is Nikon.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 23, 2008, 11:23:18 pm

Just got a new Nikon D3 at the office to play with for a couple of days.  Evaluating it as a possible replacement for one of our 5D's to be utilized for large group photos.  The fact that having a D3 in our inventory would put a D3 at MY disposal has absolutely nothing to do with my evaluation :D

Those that don't know....My employer is a Canon house but all my personal gear is Nikon.


The D3 looks to be one hell of a camera. If you ever bring it out I'll want to see it :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 23, 2008, 11:33:42 pm

Just got a new Nikon D3 at the office to play with for a couple of days.  Evaluating it as a possible replacement for one of our 5D's to be utilized for large group photos.  The fact that having a D3 in our inventory would put a D3 at MY disposal has absolutely nothing to do with my evaluation :D

Those that don't know....My employer is a Canon house but all my personal gear is Nikon.


Hmmm... that D3 is supposed to have pretty good iso range...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on April 23, 2008, 11:45:51 pm
Indeed it does.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 24, 2008, 08:18:58 am
Johnnyb,
 :needpics:    :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 24, 2008, 10:35:41 am
Yeah!!! let's see a 3200 iso low light shot stopping a fast subject.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 24, 2008, 06:24:57 pm
Driving home I saw this in someones front yard, interesting.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/2979.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/2978.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 25, 2008, 10:42:22 am
Great.. I like the sepia, it looks like it was in someones old album for years


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 25, 2008, 10:50:13 am

Well I went to Daytona for Bikeweek. Took lots of pix, lost a 4gb card somewhere, and found it this week. This was my best shot of the entire week. Sunrise at the pier...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/281329858_Ecn9a-M.jpg)


Nice.....


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 25, 2008, 10:54:06 am

Great.. I like the sepia, it looks like it was in someones old album for years


I hope to get a nice weekend to go out West in Wi to find the old barns, I found a dozen or so I have to go back to.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 25, 2008, 10:55:59 am

Driving home I saw this in someones front yard, interesting.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/2979.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/2978.jpg)


Very much so!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 25, 2008, 10:59:17 am
I was using the 85mm I think the DOF is pretty good. I hoped it would have been a little better but I have all summer to practice. ( I am feeling a sick day coming ) I am also thinking on getting a full frame sensor camera. I guess I am going to go overboard  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 25, 2008, 11:18:23 am

I was using the 85mm I think the DOF is pretty good. I hoped it would have been a little better but I have all summer to practice. ( I am feeling a sick day coming ) I am also thinking on getting a full frame sensor camera. I guess I am going to go overboard  :lol:


5D Mk II is going to be announced in September. Might be worth the wait but you can get one hell of a deal on a 5D now.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 25, 2008, 11:46:49 am
I might start looking in Jan 2009. But for sure I would say by next summer unless I lose interest in taking photos.  :headscratch:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 25, 2008, 11:52:26 am

I might start looking in Jan 2009. But for sure I would say by next summer unless I lose interest in taking photos.  :headscratch:


I cant imagine you losing interest by any means- I'll be planning my next purchase around that time as well.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 25, 2008, 01:20:22 pm

I might start looking in Jan 2009. But for sure I would say by next summer unless I lose interest in taking photos.  :headscratch:


Hmmm... Not when your lens/cam lust is growing at the current rate........


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 25, 2008, 01:35:56 pm



Hmmm... Not when your lens/cam lust is growing at the current rate........


Yes I know and its been a blast.  :lol: I so can't wait for my vacation days to kick in.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on April 26, 2008, 02:02:11 am

Well I went to Daytona for Bikeweek. Took lots of pix, lost a 4gb card somewhere, and found it this week. This was my best shot of the entire week. Sunrise at the pier...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/281329858_Ecn9a-M.jpg)


Yes, very nice indeed.  Stupid question: why is there what appears to be a ski chair lift on the pier?  Where does it take you?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 26, 2008, 06:44:18 pm
Its just a tram ride to the end and back. Thrills and chills of Daytona.       :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 29, 2008, 01:39:57 am
New update after photoshop. Oldtime look, Did I over do it?

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/oldtime.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 29, 2008, 01:57:04 am

New update after photoshop. Oldtime look, Did I over do it?


Joe, it really depends on the point of view. Truly, if YOU like it then the answer is no- You didn't. Just because it is an effect that I would'ntt use doesn't make it a bad one by any means.

Understand?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 29, 2008, 08:08:43 am
Oh yeah I get it, I am just trying to figure this editing thing. I am sure it is a edit I am not going to do alot with but I thought with this photo it might look neat.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 29, 2008, 11:18:11 am

New update after photoshop. Oldtime look, Did I over do it?

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/oldtime.jpg)


 It looks like a monotone Giclee (on canvas). Diminished return.

But given more thought (on the effect)... a noise laden tree, over exposed, might look like a wood cut pressing on canvas...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 29, 2008, 11:33:52 am



 It looks like a monotone Giclee (on canvas). Diminished return.

But given more thought (on the effect)... a noise laden tree, over exposed, might look like a wood cut pressing on canvas...


I love that word; Giclee Definition from Wikipedia: "Giclée (pronounced [ʒiːˈkleɪ] "zhee-clay" or /dʒiːˈkleɪ, from French IPA: [ʒiˈkle]), is an invented name for the process of making fine art prints from a digital source using ink-jet printing. The word "giclée", from the French language word "le gicleur" meaning "nozzle", or more specifically "gicler" meaning "to squirt, spurt, or spray"[1]. It was coined by Jack Duganne, a printmaker working in the field, to represent any inkjet-based digital print used as fine art. The intent of that name was to distinguish commonly known industrial "Iris proofs" from the type of fine art prints artists were producing on those same types of printers. The name was originally applied to fine art prints created on Iris printers in a process invented in the early 1990s but has since come to mean any high quality ink-jet print and is often used in galleries and print shops to denote such prints."

Definition from another site: "The Definition : Giclee (zhee-klay) - The French word "giclée" is a feminine noun that means a spray or a spurt of liquid. The word may have been derived from the French verb "gicler" meaning "to squirt". "

Torags, this is in no way a dig on you. That term just cracks me up is all. Somebody had to come up with a fancy term as most people think that a high-end inkjet print is worthless for some reason.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 29, 2008, 11:43:35 am
Yeah okay,  both of you guys lost me on that one. Time for google.  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 29, 2008, 12:00:32 pm

Yeah okay,  both of you guys lost me on that one. Time for google.  :lol:


Where the hell do you think I found those definitions?  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 29, 2008, 12:15:08 pm
I was being a smarta**  :lol:  I hope if the weather plays ball to ride up to the Dells area and get some shots in next Sat or Sun.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 29, 2008, 12:18:37 pm

I was being a smarta**  :lol:  I hope if the weather plays ball to ride up to the Dells area and get some shots in next Sat or Sun.


Gotcha


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 29, 2008, 12:48:29 pm
Hmmm.... I have had Giclees done on an Iris machine.

One of the differences of quality is the type of ink used for museum quality versus ordinary ink jet. Ordinary inks are vegetable dyes and the Iris and similar quality machines use a different based formula (not sure it's if it's oil based).

If you look at all motors as internal combustion engines, then yes it's a fancy name. If you differentiate between Porches and Yugos, then the name is appropriate. If you want a mural 50-60" X thirty foot, you're not going to get that from your HP desktop.

BTW, Giclee's give the general public a way to afford large wall hangings as art.

My .02  



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on April 29, 2008, 01:06:47 pm

Hmmm.... I have had Giclees done on an Iris machine.

One of the differences of quality is the type of ink used for museum quality versus ordinary ink jet. Ordinary inks are vegetable dyes and the Iris and similar quality machines use a different based formula (not sure it's if it's oil based).

If you look at all motors as internal combustion engines, then yes it's a fancy name. If you differentiate between Porches and Yugos, then the name is appropriate. If you want a mural 50-60" X thirty foot, you're not going to get that from your HP desktop.

BTW, Giclee's give the general public a way to afford large wall hangings as art.

My .02  




Noted, and thanks for the elaboration. Now tell me about the Iris, please.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 29, 2008, 07:33:35 pm
The Iris was,if I remember an early machine (I don't even know if its still in business or made), but it was considered a standard.

I had work done by Harvest Productions in LA. I toured the factory prior. They have an amazing facility. They provide services to artists/top flight photographers who want to mass market in the higher end market (art galleries, Furniture stores, and to a lesser degree tourist stores).

Some of what they do:

They take your image (Painting or photo) as big as it is. Put it under a full frame camera 10-12' tall. Retake the shot. Then run that shot into their machines. The printer is about 5' wide. When printing on canvas the roll is huge (3' thick). The maintenance of the machine is arduous with so much ink running thru.

They also print on coated paper, but most paper is very unstable (absorption wise) so it's not the best medium for the process.

They print a canvas image then put image on a stretcher. They print then put a varnish on the print for stability. They can frame also & ship to your retailer.

They do more. They print and embellish with on site artists doing splish splash on the canvas to add value in a store. It looks more like an original oil painting.

They do more. They print the artists signature on the image.

In this way, someone can have an artistic image for a reasonable price. I think it's a great way for artistic/photographic distribution, where the artist/photographer can actually earn a living.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on May 01, 2008, 02:08:59 pm
This isn't really the appropriate thread, since it's not about photography, but I think the usual posters here possibly will have an answer. In my art school days, I took a couple painting classes. LOVED THEM. It was so much fun, as was photography. But now I have a few giant 4' x 3' oil paintings sitting in my garage, with nowhere to hang them.

One of them is of a 916, another is an R1, then another of Mick Doohan, and then one other non motorcycle one. A buddy of mine lives in Vegas, while I live outside of Chicago. I'd like to send him the 916 or the R1 painting, but I have no idea how to ship it and prevent it from getting damaged... plus I don't want to pay out the ass for shipping fees. Is there any way to ship a big painting without removing it from the stretcher frame?

TIA,
Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 01, 2008, 03:22:02 pm

This isn't really the appropriate thread, since it's not about photography, but I think the usual posters here possibly will have an answer. In my art school days, I took a couple painting classes. LOVED THEM. It was so much fun, as was photography. But now I have a few giant 4' x 3' oil paintings sitting in my garage, with nowhere to hang them.

One of them is of a 916, another is an R1, then another of Mick Doohan, and then one other non motorcycle one. A buddy of mine lives in Vegas, while I live outside of Chicago. I'd like to send him the 916 or the R1 painting, but I have no idea how to ship it and prevent it from getting damaged... plus I don't want to pay out the ass for shipping fees. Is there any way to ship a big painting without removing it from the stretcher frame?

TIA,
Jeff


Jeff, I'm not entirely sure. I searched on Google for "how to ship a painting" and a whole bunch of potentially useful things came up.

-Fred


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: DavidLSI on May 01, 2008, 03:55:40 pm

This isn't really the appropriate thread, since it's not about photography, but I think the usual posters here possibly will have an answer. In my art school days, I took a couple painting classes. LOVED THEM. It was so much fun, as was photography. But now I have a few giant 4' x 3' oil paintings sitting in my garage, with nowhere to hang them.

One of them is of a 916, another is an R1, then another of Mick Doohan, and then one other non motorcycle one. A buddy of mine lives in Vegas, while I live outside of Chicago. I'd like to send him the 916 or the R1 painting, but I have no idea how to ship it and prevent it from getting damaged... plus I don't want to pay out the ass for shipping fees. Is there any way to ship a big painting without removing it from the stretcher frame?

TIA,
Jeff


I ship signs all the time that are in that size range.

You obviously will need to build a crate 1/4 plywood and 1x lumber would do the trick...

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Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 01, 2008, 04:32:15 pm
Hey DavidLSI, I would just make one comment about your suggestion, which are all good. A 1X is actually about 5/8" - 3/4". It might be too close to the edge of the frame and it would probably be better to have foam in between the plys. Of course you could turn the 1X2 on edge & tape foam on unit

Hey Jeff, I've seen a guy plugging his own work on one of the threads. He does moto racers. The work is real nice and I believe it's painter enhanced Giclees. He gets the scales too perfect to be all freehand. I'll post the link when I find it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on May 01, 2008, 04:32:27 pm
Right... $40 for the cheapest method is expensive! I'm not saying it's not a good price or anything, just that it's more than I'll spend to send a painting. So there's my problem... I'm a cheap ass. :D

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on May 01, 2008, 04:33:49 pm

Hey DavidLSI, I would just make one comment about your suggestion, which are all good. A 1X is actually about 5/8" - 3/4". It might be too close to the edge of the frame and it would probably be better to have foam in between the plys. Of course you could turn the 1X2 on edge & tape foam on unit

Hey Jeff, I've seen a guy plugging his own work on one of the threads. He does moto racers. The work is real nice and I believe it's painter enhanced Giclees. He gets the scales too perfect to be all freehand. I'll post the link when I find it.



If it's who I'm thinking of, the guy is jewfzr, and IIRC it's colored pencil, and incredible. I am under the impression though that it's a more manageable size than my paintings.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 01, 2008, 04:41:08 pm
That's the guy... Just thought you might be interested..

(http://www.westernartandportraits.net/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/baylissoverall2.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: DavidLSI on May 01, 2008, 04:48:11 pm
torags v2
I was just suggesting the outside shell, you are right interior protection is a must.  

Jeff,
It would not just be the $40.00 I bet you have $20 - $30 for the crate materials too.   You could offer thepainting to your friend and if he wanted them have him arrange the shipping.  He can have UPS issue a call tag.  It costs a few bucks more but shippping is paid for at the other end and the UPS guy shows up with a lable to get the box.

Good luck
David


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Brightrider on May 02, 2008, 10:54:32 pm
Anyone have any experience with or opinions about the Pentax z10 Point and Shoot?  My requirements are simple...I am only a casual user, but the size, 7X optical zoom and li-ion battery are a real draw.  Combine that with a darn good price, image stabilization and a host of other features, and I am very close to pulling the trigger.  I haven't seen a bad review yet, but those are all on the net...wonder if anyone here in the family has any thoughts.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on May 02, 2008, 11:02:26 pm

Anyone have any experience with or opinions about the Pentax z10 Point and Shoot?  My requirements are simple...I am only a casual user, but the size, 7X optical zoom and li-ion battery are a real draw.  Combine that with a darn good price, image stabilization and a host of other features, and I am very close to pulling the trigger.  I haven't seen a bad review yet, but those are all on the net...wonder if anyone here in the family has any thoughts.


While I haven't seen any real reviews, I would avoid it. There are two forms of image stabilization, one is mechanical and the other is "digital", and also the worst kind. All it does is boost the ISO so you get a higher shutter speed. The end result us in the great majority of cases is a "noisy" image with very little detail or overall quality. I would look for a little higher quality and spring for that. PM me and I'll see what I can dig up for you.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on May 02, 2008, 11:13:34 pm
I agree, although I have no knowledge of the Pentax you speak of. And this is just my experience, but if you shoot low light, indoors for example, be prepared to use the flash. This is my main beef with point and shoots in general. One way to compensate for it is to increase the ISO, but at least on my Canon S2IS, ISO200 is barely usable, and ISO400 is so noisy I don't usually bother.

But on a DSLR, you have to get up towards ISO1600 or higher to get that kind of noise. Plus with the wide range of lenses available there is SO much more flexibilty.

But DSLRs are of course bulkier. Bulk, price, and perceived difficulty to use are probably the main reasons why people go the P&S route over DSLR.

I only say this because, as a compromise between my wife and I, we got our S2IS. It's a good camera for what it is, but what it is not is what either of us wanted. I wanted a DSLR. She wanted a small P&S. We got a big P&S. It has full manual control and a 12x optical zoom, which rocks. Plus it has a very nice video feature, which we've used far more than I ever thought we would. But it's not a DSLR. And it's so bulky that my wife doesn't want to really bring it anywhere. And IMO it positively sucks in low light, which I think is a trait of the P&S camera, not the specific model.

Hope this general info helps. I'm positive Fred and toragsv2, among others, can help you more specifically.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on May 02, 2008, 11:16:28 pm
One other thing to consider is, that with the battery, if it's specific to the camera, you are then unable to throw in some regular AAs in a pinch. Another reason I bought the S2 over other equivalent cameras was that it used AA batteries instead of a proprietary battery. Many times my rechargeables have died while I was unable to put them on the charger. Go to the nearest store, buy some AAs, and boom, back in business.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: DavidLSI on May 02, 2008, 11:20:33 pm
+1 on the AA or AAA thing


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 03, 2008, 12:28:38 am
I shot some polo today (a first for me)... Tomorrow, Legends of the Motorcycle

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/288702165_raGfG-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: zer0netgain on May 03, 2008, 09:38:29 am
I run the Canon Powershot A620.

7.1 MP and takes great photos.  Takes video, and mounted on the bike it is a nice alternative to trying to by a video camera on a budget.

It has a fold-out screen to view from most any angle....nice for how I like to shoot pictures and video.  It is also one of the few models anyone makes that takes 4 AA batteries.  Most all other models and makes are 2 AA or Li-Ion packs.  Li-Ion isn't bad if you buy at least one spare and make sure both are charged up at the beginning of the day, but AA NiMH have a nice life, but using flash, 2 AAs don't have a great recycle time on the flash and don't hold up as long.

Sadly, Canon has not really improved the matters that mean the most to me on the subsequent models of this camera, so I've not upgraded.  The latest model has more MP, a 2.5" screen (compared to 2"), and it takes the new SDHD cards.  Thanks to the new standard finding 4 GB SD cards is near impossible and expensive. :(  Other than the new memory card standard, I'd not upgrade for any of this.

What matters to me is the video option.  Some new Canons will capture video up to 4 GB.  At 640 resolution, that's about 44-45 minutes.  However, for this line, they still limit video capture at 1 GB.  That's 11 minutes or so at 640 resolution and 33 or so at 320 resolution.  320 is a workable option for recording rides, and frankly, with 11 minutes at a clip, most things you can capture won't take more than 5 minutes anyhow, but it stinks to go 4 GB on some and stay with the same paltry 1 GB on the model that seems to work best as a camcorder surrogate.  If they address that, I'm upgrading. :)

I know some might think that 33-45 minutes of video is lame compared to a camcorder, but most any camcorder I can afford won't record even 2 hours before the battery pack is dead, so in any case I'm looking at stopping a recording for one reason or another.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 03, 2008, 04:47:55 pm
BMW's new dirt tracker

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/288942436_7h7jv-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/288943067_37Rnt-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: JimWilliamson on May 03, 2008, 08:43:03 pm

Sadly, Canon has not really improved the matters that mean the most to me on the subsequent models of this camera, so I've not upgraded.  The latest model has more MP, a 2.5" screen (compared to 2"), and it takes the new SDHD cards.  Thanks to the new standard finding 4 GB SD cards is near impossible and expensive. :(  Other than the new memory card standard, I'd not upgrade for any of this.



I like the A630 - except for the location of the memory card. They moved it from a side slot to down on the bottom with the batteries. Thus the camera needs to be removed from a tripod to access the card. How often would I need to remove a tripod mount - not often - it's just the thought of it. The A620 is certainly "good enough".


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on May 05, 2008, 11:03:45 pm

Anyone have any experience with or opinions about the Pentax z10 Point and Shoot?  My requirements are simple...I am only a casual user, but the size, 7X optical zoom and li-ion battery are a real draw.  Combine that with a darn good price, image stabilization and a host of other features, and I am very close to pulling the trigger.  I haven't seen a bad review yet, but those are all on the net...wonder if anyone here in the family has any thoughts.


You can do a lot better.  Dave's picks are usually pretty good (link below), and he's not picking the Z10 (or any Pentax for that matter).  There is a full review of the Z10 on the site as well if you are interested.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/WB/WB.HTM




Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Mr. Whippy on May 08, 2008, 03:31:17 pm
I've been combing through this thread to see if my question has come up yet, but haven't seen it.

I have a Canon SD870is (point and shoot).  It has several manual settings/filters which I've been playing with.  My problem:  I'm going to be mountaineering in Peru and want to get good quality images.  I want to enhance the blue sky and (I think) stop down the shutter some to enhance the detail of the snow.

I've played with adding the vivid blue setting and stopping down 2/3 of a stop (-2/3), but I don't really see any improvement.  I also tried the "Snow" setting, but snow detail is pretty much lost, although people stand out very well. Anybody done much shooting in bright sun and snow and know how best to set up the camera?  

My goal is to have the bright sky stand out AND have the varying texture of the snow stand out.

Secondly, what would I adjust back in flat, overcast skies again with mostly snow in the image?



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 08, 2008, 03:41:09 pm
For the sky, you need a circular polarizer. This would also work on high glare snow.

I had good results with the CP on the sunny Bonneville salt flats. Snow might have a bit more glare.

I hope they make one for your cam. there is a manufacturer that makes a holder that fits into the female thread on your cam. I don't know if it fits a cir pol. or linear polarizer. Circular is better for digital.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Mr. Whippy on May 08, 2008, 03:49:43 pm

For the sky, you need a circular polarizer. This would also work on high glare snow.

I had good results with the CP on the sunny Bonneville salt flats. Snow might have a bit more glare.

I hope they make one for your cam. there is a manufacturer that makes a holder that fits into the female thread on your cam. I don't know if it fits a cir pol. or linear polarizer. Circular is better for digital.


I'll have to just hold up my polarizer, the 870 is a point and shoot, no threads for adding filters--that has worked with my video camera.  Were you able to see texture of the salt flats with just adding the polarizer?

Hey, check your PMs  ;)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 08, 2008, 03:51:45 pm
For me I always have issues with snow shots so those get fixed in Photoshop or converted to black and white  :lol:, same with making your skys more blue, might have to just use a photo editor.  :shrug: If you don't have a editor there are a few out there for free on the web.  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Mr. Whippy on May 08, 2008, 04:09:02 pm

For me I always have issues with snow shots so those get fixed in Photoshop, same with making your skys more blue, might have to just use a photo editor.  :shrug: If you don't have a editor there are a few out there for free on the web.  :D


Are you able to recover snow detail via photoshop without getting funky color shifts?  Are you shooting just in Auto mode?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 08, 2008, 04:11:58 pm
No auto mode, I am not good on the terms of what I am doing when editing but you can adjust without getting funky color shifts. Do you have a photo editor?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Mr. Whippy on May 08, 2008, 04:20:15 pm
Yup.  Limited version of photoshop.  Does pretty well with levels adjustment, red eye, stitching--basic stuff.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 08, 2008, 04:22:00 pm
Have a look at picasa 2 from google it works very nice.

http://picasa.google.com/


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 08, 2008, 06:13:43 pm
+1 on Picassa 2


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 08, 2008, 08:35:50 pm
Are you able to recover snow detail via photoshop without getting funky color shifts?  Are you shooting just in Auto mode?

My recipe for snow shots is shooting +2/3 EV (counter-intuitive: to compensate for overcorrection by the camera's autoexposure with bright snow and bright sky) and white-balance adjustment (RAW helps here) for color casts. You could do the WB in the camera or software. Do it first in software and note the color temp so you can set manual WB in the camera for similar conditions.

I posted these last year. It was shot RAW (hence the flat, ugly looking unprocessed jpeg from adobe camera raw) with +2/3 EV and careful white balance adjustments were done in PS, plus some usual sharpening, etc. Even with the +EV there's lots of detail there in the snow. Snow shots make a good case for RAW.

Mountain pass near Smaskardet in the Norwegian backcountry

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/webposts/IMG_1314_800px_frame_jpeg.jpg)

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/webposts/IMG_1314_800px_frame.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 08, 2008, 09:37:37 pm
good example. I shoot raw because I always screw up the cam settings and its easier to fix in post processing.

That said I don't know if the OP knows of raw or has a cam that shoots raw.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 08, 2008, 09:52:51 pm

good example. I shoot raw because I always screw up the cam settings and its easier to fix in post processing.

That said I don't know if the OP knows of raw or has a cam that shoots raw.


RAW is a cleaner way to handle the color cast on snow but it's certainly not the only way. You can adjust color balance in any editor. Plus, you're starting to see white-balance controls in non-RAW tools like Lightroom (just doing specific color balance adjustments to the 8-bit image).


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Mr. Whippy on May 08, 2008, 10:09:54 pm
Yes, my wife's Canon 20D will shoot in RAW format but the little SD870is only shoots in jpg.  However, the extra weight and space of the 20D makes it a no go for the trip.  I can perform WB however.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 08, 2008, 10:36:24 pm

Yes, my wife's Canon 20D will shoot in RAW format but the little SD870is only shoots in jpg.  However, the extra weight and space of the 20D makes it a no go for the trip.  I can perform WB however.


Your 870 has custom WB that you could tweak in the field if you want to experiment.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 08, 2008, 11:56:18 pm

I've been combing through this thread to see if my question has come up yet, but haven't seen it.

I have a Canon SD870is (point and shoot).  It has several manual settings/filters which I've been playing with.  My problem:  I'm going to be mountaineering in Peru and want to get good quality images.  I want to enhance the blue sky and (I think) stop down the shutter some to enhance the detail of the snow.

I've played with adding the vivid blue setting and stopping down 2/3 of a stop (-2/3), but I don't really see any improvement.  I also tried the "Snow" setting, but snow detail is pretty much lost, although people stand out very well. Anybody done much shooting in bright sun and snow and know how best to set up the camera?  

My goal is to have the bright sky stand out AND have the varying texture of the snow stand out.

Secondly, what would I adjust back in flat, overcast skies again with mostly snow in the image?


Going back and reading the original questions...

Sounds like an incredible trip. I can't wait to see the pics!!!

I got lots of practice with snow in Norway last year...

The thing with snow and bright sky is that they are both bright! If you use any autoexposure modes (P/AV/TV/auto) the camera will underexpose the image trying to compensate for so much brightness, exaggerating the color cast in the process. That's why you dial in some +EV. How much depends on the scene.

The good thing is that with both sky and landscape so bright, you don't have the exposure imbalance between bright sky and darker ground to worry about and you skies won't be as washed out. Circular polarizers might not be an option on the 870 but you should still get nice blue skies against a snowy landscape (you don't want to deal with retrieving and holding loose filters among all your other gear, with gloves, etc).

As far as details go, it helps to tease them out in software with some local contrast sharpening. Check your histograms in the camera when shooting. As long as you aren't completely blowing out (flashing snow in the histogram view) you should have detail there to work with. You can overdo the snow detail too so don't make it your primary worry as long as it's not blown-out (for example, a snow image (http://testweb38.webfactional.com/part-016.jpeg) from national geographic with light, shadow, and texture on the snow but not to the point of distraction)

If possible try everything out, including some post-processing of the shots before the trip.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on May 09, 2008, 02:23:16 am
I think kurtw has pretty well hit this one on the head.  With the sky and snow both being the same relative brightness, you don't have to worry too much about trying to accommodate contrast but your camera's metering will try to turn the white snow into 18% gray no matter what your metering mode.  You will have to overexpose the picture, either in manual mode or by using exposure compensation.  Simply stopping down aperture in Av mode won't help as the shutter speed will decrease to compensate and the auto exposure will force the snow to 18% gray.  Shoot in manual mode for exposure consistency.  Look at your histogram and you will see a bump near the right side of the histogram representing the snow (i.e., the brightest part of the picture).  Try to have that bump close to the right, but avoid having a spike right at the right-hand edge. Most Canon's also blink on the overexposed parts of a picture when in histogram mode, but you want to avoid that.  If you truly want to bring out detail in the snow, expose for the snow and the rest should take care of itself.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 09, 2008, 10:40:48 am
I think the biggest challenge will be sunny mid day when the glare is at its highest.

That Natl Geo shot is beautiful and the photog knew how to handle the light. Same shot mid day would not be the same shot.

WB has to do with tonal quality. Doodah hit it on the head, I would add in addition to too far right in the histogram too high up (blown out) will lose irretrievable detail.

Kurt has a great idea, use a handheld filter without cam mount. A Cokin neutral density linear filter can selectively cut the highest glare portion of your frame.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Mr. Whippy on May 09, 2008, 11:04:53 am



Going back and reading the original questions...

Sounds like an incredible trip. I can't wait to see the pics!!!

I got lots of practice with snow in Norway last year...

The thing with snow and bright sky is that they are both bright! If you use any autoexposure modes (P/AV/TV/auto) the camera will underexpose the image trying to compensate for so much brightness, exaggerating the color cast in the process. That's why you dial in some +EV. How much depends on the scene.

The good thing is that with both sky and landscape so bright, you don't have the exposure imbalance between bright sky and darker ground to worry about and you skies won't be as washed out. Circular polarizers might not be an option on the 870 but you should still get nice blue skies against a snowy landscape (you don't want to deal with retrieving and holding loose filters among all your other gear, with gloves, etc).

As far as details go, it helps to tease them out in software with some local contrast sharpening. Check your histograms in the camera when shooting. As long as you aren't completely blowing out (flashing snow in the histogram view) you should have detail there to work with. You can overdo the snow detail too so don't make it your primary worry as long as it's not blown-out (for example, a snow image (http://testweb38.webfactional.com/part-016.jpeg) from national geographic with light, shadow, and texture on the snow but not to the point of distraction)

If possible try everything out, including some post-processing of the shots before the trip.



I did some shooting this winter while ice climbing, taking shots with various settings in the semi-manual modes, but never really obtained the color intensity and detailed texture I was hoping for (and have seen in others pictures).  My problem now is I can't recreate the snow/bright sun conditions.

As tourags mentioned, I'm most worried about oversaturation and loss of detail, however, I also don't want the artificial strange color shifts that I seem to get if the histogram is manipulated too much.

If I can get a couple of possible camera setups, I can swap between them pretty quickly during the climbs, but time is precious when mountaineering, so long delays to reset the options, is out of the question.

Edit to add: kurtw, your snow/ice shot has the color and detail I'm trying to capture with my 870.  I wouldn't have thought of +EV, but it definitely worked in those shots.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 09, 2008, 11:29:44 am
Kurt has a great idea, use a handheld filter without cam mount. A Cokin neutral density linear filter can selectively cut the highest glare portion of your frame.

Sorry. Actually, i was suggesting that a handheld filter would be too much to deal with while mountaineering. And while I love playing with Graduated NDs, one should not be necessary on snow where sky and snow are (more or less) equally bright. Maybe useful when there are big dark elements like rock faces, etc. Sky won't wash out because you won't have the usual couple stops exposure difference between bright sky and darker ground. But if you want to carry some filters, by all means bring a polarizer and a grad.

I will suggest making +2/3 EV with P or AV modes one of the settings that you try to use. You may need more or less +EV depending on what the histogram tells you. You shouldn't ordinarily use -EV in this situation, even though it's counter-intuitive. That will exaggerate the color cast. But with all the bright backgrounds, pay attention to the light when you have a dark foreground subject.

In Norway, my friends took some spectacular shots with their P&S camera in full auto. Don't underestimate the ability of new cameras to figure out exposure in challenging situations, but DO check the histograms and make adjustments as necessary. That's probably the most important thing!

That's all I have. When is the trip?



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 09, 2008, 11:51:49 am
MMmmmm, now that's a histogram...

This is the national geographic snow shot, just to give you an idea of what the right edge should look like on snow.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Mr. Whippy on May 09, 2008, 11:54:02 am
Trip is in July.

We're attempting to summit 2 peaks:

Alpamayo

(http://members.aol.com/naddmd/alpa.jpg)

and Quitaraju

(http://members.aol.com/naddmd/quita.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 09, 2008, 12:02:42 pm
Looks exciting... good luck...      :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Mr. Whippy on May 09, 2008, 12:13:56 pm

Looks exciting... good luck...      :thumbsup:


Thanks!  

For obvious reasons, if the shots aren't good, I don't think I'll be heading back to retake them, heh.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on May 09, 2008, 08:24:58 pm



I did some shooting this winter while ice climbing, taking shots with various settings in the semi-manual modes, but never really obtained the color intensity and detailed texture I was hoping for (and have seen in others pictures).



A lot of outdoor photographers use filters to get the color intensity and texture.  A polarizer can bring out detail and color by cutting glare and removing reflections off objects that tend to diminish the colour and detail, plus there are variants like warming polarizers that will help to neutralize the blue cast of the sky.  I have also seen some pros using blue and gold polarizers which can provide dramatic effects in certain situations.

That shot of Alpamayo was almost certainly taken with a polarizer, that's why the sky is such a deep blue, the clouds seem to pop, and there is virtually no glare from the snow.  The shot of Quitaraju could probably have benefited from a warming polarizer, especially with the sun at a low angle like that.  Also quite a bit of vignetting (shading or light fall-off in the corners) so it probably wasn't taken with the highest quality of lens.

Polarizers work best when at an angle of 90 degrees from the sun.  To see where the polarizing effect will be at maximum, face toward the sun, then turn 90 degrees left or right.  The polarizer for me is the one essential filter to have for landscape photography, followed by graduated neutral density filters.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on May 09, 2008, 08:38:20 pm
Here is a website of a local Calgary photographer who shoots extensively with ND grads, warming polarizers, blue and gold polarizers, etc.  You can really see the dramatic difference.  Those pictures are literally impossible to recreate with a point and shoot no matter how much Photoshop work you do.

http://www.darwinwiggett.com/


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 09, 2008, 10:08:11 pm



A lot of outdoor photographers use filters to get the color intensity and texture.  A polarizer can bring out detail and color by cutting glare and removing reflections off objects that tend to diminish the colour and detail, plus there are variants like warming polarizers that will help to neutralize the blue cast of the sky.  I have also seen some pros using blue and gold polarizers which can provide dramatic effects in certain situations.

That shot of Alpamayo was almost certainly taken with a polarizer, that's why the sky is such a deep blue, the clouds seem to pop, and there is virtually no glare from the snow.  The shot of Quitaraju could probably have benefited from a warming polarizer, especially with the sun at a low angle like that.  Also quite a bit of vignetting (shading or light fall-off in the corners) so it probably wasn't taken with the highest quality of lens.

Polarizers work best when at an angle of 90 degrees from the sun.  To see where the polarizing effect will be at maximum, face toward the sun, then turn 90 degrees left or right.  The polarizer for me is the one essential filter to have for landscape photography, followed by graduated neutral density filters.


Quite right. But I think the OP has a P&S. which is appropriate for hiking but not photography. That's what I like about Kirks idea, handhold a filter (w/o fixed holder to cam). I'm gonna do it on my bike for sunrises. You got to use a filter 30 sec into the rise and the lens can be what ever I have on the cam.

That said, here is my farkled setup for a polarizer on my P&S (LX1 Pannie). It slides on and has a tether when the lens nests when turned off.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/132046701_3v5Gz-M.jpg)

 


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Mr. Whippy on May 11, 2008, 12:26:23 pm
Lots of really good ideas here.

This what I'm going to do:
The 870 can be setup for a maximum of 3 shooting options without adjusting (just quick button push)
1. Full auto
2. Manual
3.  "Special settings"

I think I'm going to use the Snow with outdoor light special setting (no EV adjustment) for the SCN mode.  Manual will be set to +2/3 EV and then full auto.  With my 4 GB  cards that's still 400 images per card at largest image setting.  3 pictures per scene and I'll compare in the evenings.  If it's action shots (unlikely) I'll pick what seems to be working best on the mountain and hope.  Oh, and I will take my old circular polarizer (from my old Pentax film setup) in the pocket that's in the clip on camera pouch.

I wish I could have gotten dialed in this winter, but I should have asked before ice season.  I wouldn't have wasted time in the -EV settings.  Here's what I was getting:

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/ice%2008/element057.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on May 11, 2008, 12:53:56 pm
The light in the previous photo is very flat and diffuse.  Landscape photography virtually never looks interesting in that light, no matter what settings are in the camera.  Actually the lighting is similar to the Nat Geo snow shot.  The difference there was that the photographer had a distinct subject (the tree trunk), filled the frame with it to minimize the dull uninteresting sky, and had a perfect exposure.

The problem with this last photo is primarily compositional.  There is no clear subject (is it the hiker at the bottom or the ice wall on the right?), 1/3 of the frame is flat dull sky, and  lots of distracting tree branches clutter up the frame.  In that lighting I would choose one distinct subject and fill as much of the frame as possible with the subject, perhaps the climber at the bottom in this case.  Get your subject to walk up higher where the other footprints are, get real low to the ground, shoot up at your subject and you will capture the textured ice wall above him.

Even just cropping the picture to remove the bottom fifth (the distracting climber and the uninteresting snow) and the left 1/4 to minimize the sky would do wonders for that shot.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 11, 2008, 12:55:50 pm
That's tricky. You can tell from the shadow on the climber that you were shooting into the sun through light clouds.  So it's exposed for the brighter sky, leaving everything else dark (EXIF says it was +0EV). Composing with less sky would have helped the shot.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 11, 2008, 01:04:04 pm

This what I'm going to do:
The 870 can be setup for a maximum of 3 shooting options without adjusting (just quick button push)
1. Full auto
2. Manual
3.  "Special settings"

I think I'm going to use the Snow with outdoor light special setting (no EV adjustment) for the SCN mode.  Manual will be set to +2/3 EV and then full auto.  With my 4 GB  cards that's still 400 images per card at largest image setting.  3 pictures per scene and I'll compare in the evenings.  If it's action shots (unlikely) I'll pick what seems to be working best on the mountain and hope.  Oh, and I will take my old circular polarizer (from my old Pentax film setup) in the pocket that's in the clip on camera pouch.


I think this sounds like a good plan. Don't forget to check the histograms for each shot as you take them and make adjustments, especially to +EV as needed.

Manual mean big-M full manual or a setting like Av? I would stick to Av or P for most shoot and go stuff. +/- EV doesn't really compute in full Manual mode since you are setting the exposure completely yourself.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Mr. Whippy on May 11, 2008, 01:38:05 pm

That's tricky. You can tell from the shadow on the climber that you were shooting into the sun through light clouds.  So it's exposed for the brighter sky, leaving everything else dark (EXIF says it was +0EV). Composing with less sky would have helped the shot.



Hey! I tried to look at what you'd done, but the photo's gone now!  It was interesting in the small image though.

The problem shooting these shots is, the ice wall is the real subject, with the climber there for perspective of the massiveness of it.  Twigs and branches are always a problem in composition, since many climbs are just scrambles to the base--no real trail.  Basically have to pick your poison--high branches, or low scrubby brush.

Edit to add: Not a true full manual (although that's possible) essentially just dialing in different "film speed"  Av and Tv modes are also possible, but I think I'm just trying to alter exposure time from full metered mode rather than forcing an aperture (for DOF) or shutter speed. --At least that's my admittedly basic understanding of what I'm trying to do here.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 11, 2008, 02:32:30 pm


Hey! I tried to look at what you'd done, but the photo's gone now!  It was interesting in the small image though.


hehe, I wasn't entirely happy with the quick and dirty job I did, but here are couple attempts. One is basically just curves, the other is some layer blending and heavier touch stuff. I had nuked them thinking I'd have to spend a little more time to have something I liked.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Mr. Whippy on May 11, 2008, 02:56:15 pm
Although the contrast is more dramatic in the first image, the snow on the ice face has an unreal brightness to it--more like a painting than photo.  The second image good.  More along the lines of what I'm trying to get.  I guess setting the aperature wider would blur out the twigs, and make them less obtrusive.   Hmm.  Maybe I should consider an Av setting...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on May 11, 2008, 03:11:49 pm

Although the contrast is more dramatic in the first image, the snow on the ice face has an unreal brightness to it--more like a painting than photo.  The second image good.  More along the lines of what I'm trying to get.  I guess setting the aperature wider would blur out the twigs, and make them less obtrusive.   Hmm.  Maybe I should consider an Av setting...


I think P mode (maybe it's called M on your camera) is just fine for what you are shooting when you want to shoot when you want to do +EV.
 
The first image was a clumsy attempt at layer blending.

The second one was mostly one simple curves adjustment to try adjusting the snow and sky curves which were distinct in the histogram. Simpler adjustments are usually better for a realistic image, so it's good you like that.

For fun, here is a more careful layer blending.  I hope you don't mind me playing with your image.  :)




Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on May 18, 2008, 12:05:50 pm
The final finish of the final race of the final day of 75 years of horse racing at Bay Meadows Race Track. I climbed a 20' tower to get this (security was bad). When I got to the top, I found I was too far away for my 200/400 and my 1.4 TC was in the car. Let's see climb down the rockin' tower with 20-25mph winds to get my TC? Nah, I'll crop.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/293684806_NLKZ3-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on May 29, 2008, 09:22:37 am
Canon has their rebates out again May 18th through July 19th. I sure wish they would do a little better on the 70-200 F2.8.

http://www.unwir3d.com/887171/finally-canon-announces-us-spring-rebates


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: BHW on May 29, 2008, 09:30:27 am
My wife bought a Nikon s9 last year. She wanted a small portable camera....my other two Nikons are not so small and portable. We ended up not being overly impressed with the Nikon...it was bought on a whim without any research, totally not my style. I did some research and decided we needed the Canon a720is. I've had it a few months now, and I can honestly say it's the best camera out there for under $200. This little camera takes excellent pics, and the image stabilization it has, is phenomenal. I have even quit using my Nikons, this one is simply great!

(http://www.photographyblog.com/images/products/canon_powershot_a720_is_3.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on May 31, 2008, 03:55:02 am

Canon has their rebates out again May 18th through July 19th. I sure wish they would do a little better on the 70-200 F2.8.

http://www.unwir3d.com/887171/finally-canon-announces-us-spring-rebates


The rebate program in Canada is much better (still on, runs until sometime in June).  Canon has a double rebate if you buy two items.  I just cashed my $500 rebate cheque this week for buying a 70-200 f/2.8 IS ($300 double rebate) and EF-S 17-55 f/2.8 IS ($200 double rebate).


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 02, 2008, 08:08:39 am
Ahhhh you suck  :lol:  I am looking at the 70-200mm F4L IS.  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 02, 2008, 10:38:41 am
Save up for the 2.8, you won't be sorry. My Nikon 70/200 2.8 is great. With the 2.8 you can shoot earlier and later in the day and catch motion in low light (also works good with a 1.4 TC)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 02, 2008, 12:59:04 pm
Thats what I keep hearing is to save for the 2.8. Buy the price  :crazy:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on June 02, 2008, 01:19:20 pm
Probably good advice. You'll never regret the extra speed once you have it.

FWIW, I have the f4IS. My understanding is that it's still a better lens, optically, than the older f4 non-IS. I've been very happy with it. A lot of the time I'm not stopped down all the way to f4 anyway.

So it comes down to the usual speed vs money question...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 02, 2008, 02:57:46 pm
kurt, do you ever feel the f4 has limited your shots then if you had the f2.8?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on June 02, 2008, 03:22:09 pm

kurt, do you ever feel the f4 has limited your shots then if you had the f2.8?


Yes. There have been times when it's pushed me into a higher ISO than I would have liked. This can happen at dawn/dusk or in dark woods, etc. But I could still get the shots, so it boils down to an image quality issue for me.

E.g. Rally cars at dusk - f4 @ ISO 800 Rebel XT

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/otrally07/IMG_2523.jpg)

(http://www.kurtwindisch.com/albums/otrally07/IMG_2469.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 02, 2008, 03:28:47 pm
I don't know about Kurt, but if you shot a indoor nite rodeo or dirt track it will matter. During daylite you get less separation between a central subject and the background they are in front of (background blur). Also described as a thinner depth of field (for 2.8).

With regards to Canon IS; isn't it in the cam (unlike Nikon which is in the lens)?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on June 02, 2008, 03:54:33 pm

I don't know about Kurt, but if you shot a indoor nite rodeo or dirt track it will matter. During daylite you get less separation between a central subject and the background they are in front of (background blur). Also described as a thinner depth of field (for 2.8).


Yes, you're right.


With regards to Canon IS; isn't it in the cam (unlike Nikon which is in the lens)?


Nope, it's in the lenses.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 02, 2008, 09:30:06 pm
thanks

Here's some meat for the table... Went to Baja for the 500, took a circuitous route.. Yosemite, Mono Lake Salton Sea then Ojos Negros....

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/306140604_oKKXH-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/306141480_ru6CM-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/306150645_NEuss-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/306149421_AFdh5-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/306102453_xHmxf-M.jpg)

sometimes it got tough with dust confusing the AF..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/306102349_7vfZS-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/306103905_tGvHT-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/306104707_DokqT-M.jpg)





Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 03, 2008, 08:19:47 am
torags,
Very nice shots, the cloud reflections one is awesome.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 04, 2008, 08:42:13 am
Heres my go at a somewhat sunrise behind a cloud. No edit straight from the camera, I think its ok. Don't know if I should edit the damn bird out that flew by in the red. :lol:  Also I plan now on getting the 70-200mm F2.8L IS USM lens by end of June.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/IMG_3128.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 04, 2008, 05:13:58 pm
Nice. I don't think the bird takes anything away. Jeeze those moments only last seconds...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 05, 2008, 10:40:27 am
My newest toy ( 70-200mm F2.8L IS ) I hope to have by June 20th.  :D  oh the joy.

(http://www.derekbrown.co.uk/photos/Canon_EF_70-200mm_F2.8_IS_L.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 05, 2008, 12:05:44 pm
You're going to love it. good luck with it. But it ain't over. Then you'll think you will need a TC 1.4 or 1.7.... don't ask me how I know.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 05, 2008, 12:33:11 pm
Oh yeah I was already looking into that next  :lol: and why can't the tripod ring come with it??? Damn nickel and dime ya to death  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on June 05, 2008, 01:20:26 pm

My newest toy ( 70-200mm F2.8L IS ) I hope to have by June 20th.  :D  oh the joy.

(http://www.derekbrown.co.uk/photos/Canon_EF_70-200mm_F2.8_IS_L.jpg)


That's the real shit. Enjoy!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on June 05, 2008, 01:52:44 pm

My newest toy ( 70-200mm F2.8L IS ) I hope to have by June 20th.  :D  oh the joy.

(http://www.derekbrown.co.uk/photos/Canon_EF_70-200mm_F2.8_IS_L.jpg)


Camera porn.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 05, 2008, 02:06:02 pm
I got the black model, I've heard its longer....      :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 05, 2008, 03:29:06 pm

I got the black model, I've heard its longer....      :D


 :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on June 05, 2008, 11:17:20 pm

My newest toy ( 70-200mm F2.8L IS ) I hope to have by June 20th.  :D  oh the joy.

(http://www.derekbrown.co.uk/photos/Canon_EF_70-200mm_F2.8_IS_L.jpg)


Congrats.  It's a great lens.  The tripod ring didn't come with it?  Mine did.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 06, 2008, 06:06:40 pm
Yahoo I got the lens today, holy crap its huge and heavy but now to wait for the tornado warnings to go away to use it.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/DSC05263.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ol Rocket on June 08, 2008, 10:30:55 am
Wow.  Your's really is bigger.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 12, 2008, 06:11:41 pm
Usually when you see pix of the galaxy from NASA they're full of noise, not this one...

First picture from NASA of water on Mars, amazing and outstanding!!
 
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0504/WaterOnMars2_gcc.jpg





Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: DavidLSI on June 12, 2008, 07:06:33 pm

Usually when you see pix of the galaxy from NASA they're full of noise, not this one...

First picture from NASA of water on Mars, amazing and outstanding!!
 
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0504/WaterOnMars2_gcc.jpg


That is funny






Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 13, 2008, 09:30:29 am

Usually when you see pix of the galaxy from NASA they're full of noise, not this one...

First picture from NASA of water on Mars, amazing and outstanding!!
 
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0504/WaterOnMars2_gcc.jpg






Holy crap that is a really clear photo.  :eek: I wonder what lens was used.  :headscratch:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: denydog on June 17, 2008, 07:17:02 pm
I thought I'd try a post in this section of the forum, since I just bought a new camera.  I've really admired some of the pictures you guys have posted.

I was inspired to upgrade to a better camera by a couple of people I've been riding with lately.  They're the type that like to stop a lot for picture taking. :lol:    While on a ride with one of these guys, I took a picture of him riding, that I think would have turned out better if I had used a more sophisticated camera.  I want to stress that, like the saying "It's not the bike, it's the rider", I also believe it's not the camera, it's the photographer.

My background in photography goes back many years.  I have a bunch of Nikon 35mm SLR film cameras/equipment.  I used to develop both B&W and color film, and print pictures in my home darkroom.  After the dawning of the digital age, I got by for several years using a film scanner to digitize my shots.  I then went through a couple of early digital cameras, and have been using a Canon A610 (5MP) for the last couple of years.  I think it's a fine P&S, especially for web posting, but the resolution for larger prints is lacking, and I particularly wasn't happy with one of the pictures I took at the WCRM a few weeks ago.  It was a little more of an action shot at max zoom, with lighting that was a little more challenging.

Static shot/low zoom with the A610.  Not too bad.
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u179/denydog/IMG_2562.jpg)

The one with a higher degree of difficulty.
(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u179/denydog/IMG_2701.jpg)

Even though I think I could have done a better job of it by using a setting other than P, I also think a better camera wouldn't have hurt on this last one.  I ordered a Canon 40D yesterday, and got to take a few test pictures today.  I had it over-nighted because I'm leaving on a 4-5 day ride to Idaho tomorrow.  I won't have much of an excuse for my poor pictures now, but time will tell if it helps any! :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 18, 2008, 08:04:45 am
denydog congrats on getting a 40d, I think not stopping and taking photos while riding a person misses out on keeping the memory of the ride. I take at least two cameras with me when I ride a simple Sony point and shoot and my 30d. Keep posting your photos here.  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on June 18, 2008, 02:53:55 pm
This is a multi-faceted post. Initially it is about the problem with camera phones. Strictly low-resolution and even the allegedly higher resolution units use a significantly smaller imaging chip which makes for less that stellar image quality.

Now on to the first problem (Or advantage if you want to see it that way):

Discretion. Camera phones allow for a little more discretion when shooting a potentially unwilling or hostile subject:

Two examples, ucropped and unedited. One could say many things about images such as these but this is a serious thread and I have posted these images here for serious discussion ONLY!

Difficult to frame while on the move, one must accept what the camera phone is limited to.

Also, as you can see- The color isnt quite right and the image is somewhat fuzzy.

Again, this is all to show the limitations of camera phones.  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 18, 2008, 03:43:57 pm
Stealth like  :lol:  I wonder if I can get away with it with my 30d  :couch:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: DavidLSI on June 18, 2008, 03:56:14 pm

Stalker like  :lol:  I wonder if I can get away with it with my 30d  :couch:


Fixed for you


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on June 18, 2008, 04:38:11 pm
Hey...Hey....HEY! I was TRYING to be serious here, you sick bastiges!   :lol:


Ok, like hell I was but I had to try and make it look good, yes? Also, I had no idea that short denim skirts and cowboy boots were back in fashion. When I saw those all I could think about was how they would look with the heels up......


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 18, 2008, 07:01:01 pm
I looked high n low and all around. They stole them. I put my monopod and tripod under my tool trailer in a shared garage. Damn, I deserve it.... :bash:

Just ordered the the same units, I was very satisfied with both..

Slik  SL700DX tripod. Good capacity to carrying weight (20lb ? capacity) and fast setup with cam locks
&
Bogen / Manfrotto  BO685B. Fast height set with step n lock (no cams or turn shafts). Excellent capacity (30#?)

When I'm at a track I like to get different looks, which requires me to run my butt off & get set up fast. Both these units are fast and can handle large fast glass, just a FYI.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 19, 2008, 08:10:37 am

Hey...Hey....HEY! I was TRYING to be serious here, you sick bastiges!   :lol:


Ok, like hell I was but I had to try and make it look good, yes? Also, I had no idea that short denim skirts and cowboy boots were back in fashion. When I saw those all I could think about was how they would look with the heels up......


I had to scroll up and re-look at the photo to imagine heels  :firedevil:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 19, 2008, 08:12:33 am
torags
Sorry to hear about your pods getting ripped off. I should have my mono-pod delivered today.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: JimWilliamson on June 19, 2008, 08:12:52 pm
Along with that cutting edge digital camera you might need a bleeding edge LCD monitor that handles proper color reproduction...

Enter HP's "Billion Colors" DreamColor Monitor
(for a scant 3500 - bucks that is)

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/dreamcolor-hewlett-packard-monitor,review-1096.html



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Scratch33 on June 20, 2008, 09:33:51 am
Okay, so, I've had a Sony Cybershot (DSC S600) digital camera for a couple years.  It's been bounced around in a tank bag for a few trips, seen its share of dust storms and dirt road; yet soldiered on.  But a couple weekends before the National meet, while on a FUGAWI ride up in PA to check out some covered bridges with some friends, I noticed it'd contracted the dreaded "E:61" error - the focus mechanism was FUBAR'ed.  For the National meet, I just quickly bought a replacement Kodak Easyshare (using a gift card it cost me less than 1$).

Returning home, I surfed the web and found some info about the E:61 problem.  The consensus was that it'd cost more to have the camera fixed than it was worth.  Some offered tips on how to allegedly knock the camera into submission.  Several attempts failed - I surfed further and found posts by one or two people who'd successfully disassembled theirs and cleaned the grit that was gumming up the lens retractor gearing.  

I had the proper tools (a jeweler's screwdriver set and magnifying glass) and the time, so I decided to take a whack at it.  I cleaned off a work table, removed the batteries and went to work.  What I'd failed to take into account, not having a very strong electrical background, was the fact that the built-in flash relies on a capacitor - one that holds a charge quite nicely even after the batteries are removed.  Eventually, all my unscrewing, prying and probing resulted in an interesting learning experience, one that sent camera bits (and helpul cat assistants) flying around the room.

Still looking on the floor for bits and pieces...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: DavidLSI on June 20, 2008, 09:52:35 am

Okay, so, I've had a Sony Cybershot (DSC S600) digital camera for a couple years.  It's been bounced around in a tank bag for a few trips, seen its share of dust storms and dirt road; yet soldiered on.  But a couple weekends before the National meet, while on a FUGAWI ride up in PA to check out some covered bridges with some friends, I noticed it'd contracted the dreaded "E:61" error - the focus mechanism was FUBAR'ed.  For the National meet, I just quickly bought a replacement Kodak Easyshare (using a gift card it cost me less than 1$).

Returning home, I surfed the web and found some info about the E:61 problem.  The consensus was that it'd cost more to have the camera fixed than it was worth.  Some offered tips on how to allegedly knock the camera into submission.  Several attempts failed - I surfed further and found posts by one or two people who'd successfully disassembled theirs and cleaned the grit that was gumming up the lens retractor gearing.  

I had the proper tools (a jeweler's screwdriver set and magnifying glass) and the time, so I decided to take a whack at it.  I cleaned off a work table, removed the batteries and went to work.  What I'd failed to take into account, not having a very strong electrical background, was the fact that the built-in flash relies on a capacitor - one that holds a charge quite nicely even after the batteries are removed.  Eventually, all my unscrewing, prying and probing resulted in an interesting learning experience, one that sent camera bits (and helpul cat assistants) flying around the room.

Still looking on the floor for bits and pieces...


Thank you for the morniong giggle.....


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: JReazor on June 20, 2008, 10:06:28 am

What I'd failed to take into account, not having a very strong electrical background, was the fact that the built-in flash relies on a capacitor - one that holds a charge quite nicely even after the batteries are removed.


Nice. Many years ago, I used to work in one of those one hour photo labs. We would pull the circuit boards out of disposable cameras with a full charge on the capacitor and then rig them up with a screwdriver in the dark box so that when "the new guy" opened the box, the screwdriver would discharge the capacitor. That one always got a laugh. That was almost as good as the old "hand lotion in the film canister" trick.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: JimWilliamson on June 20, 2008, 10:57:00 am
Heh heh - Morning smile - check!

Years back (we were teenagers) a buddy was over at the house as he brought his lawnmower for me to work on. Basic B&S 3 HP motor - with the classic spark plug wire using a metal clip to fasten it to the plug. The motor was running and I said to him "pull the plug wire off" - full well assuming he would turn the motor off before he pulled the wire off. Instead of moving to the kill switch it moved to the plug wire. I watched the opening act on the impromptu show.  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 20, 2008, 01:49:22 pm
Today I took a picture of a tree. What's memorable in this pic?

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/316568744_mGRBQ-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 22, 2008, 12:38:19 am
Holy price for gas :eek:  I was out Friday and caught this photo. Black and white with a little color.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/3197colormix2.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: JimWilliamson on June 22, 2008, 12:46:14 am
And some day we'll look back at that tree pic - longingly...


'just read a SabMag trip report from Europe? - fuel 8.85 / Gallon (1.5 Euros / Litre)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 22, 2008, 12:20:07 pm
CBRXXBLACKBIRD nice shot & nice treatment..


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 29, 2008, 01:00:44 am
Well we're getting more smoke from the fires, that stays above the fog. The smoke cuts the glare from the setting sun and turns it orange. Here's one setting into fog tonite, from my deck.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/321807758_fwvgz-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on June 29, 2008, 09:29:29 pm
Nice torags, I keep trying to get up to catch the sunrise but no luck as of yet  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 30, 2008, 12:56:52 am
It's easier in the winter. :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on June 30, 2008, 07:05:31 pm
Another sunset dropping thru smoke filled skies into the fog...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/323017355_yLbRq-M.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 01, 2008, 07:06:59 pm
Well, I'm sporting some serious full frame digital wood. I got to play with a Nikon D700 today at a local dealer the Nikon rep was visiting.

It is one SERIOUS piece of equipment and I may jump the Canon ship by next year.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: xsrider on July 01, 2008, 07:44:30 pm
I have a Pentax K100D which I like very much.  An advantage of the Pentax is that it can use any Pentax lens or lens accessory ever made.  For example:  I got a Pentax K mount adaptor so I can mount old Pentax M42 screw mount lenses and accessories to my K100D.  

Here's a little setup I have for taking macros.

The set-up, from left to right.  
All use the old M42 screw mount.  

100mm f/4 macro
Vivitar extension tubes 36mm and 12mm
Pentax bellows
Vivitar extension tube - 20mm  
M42 to K mount adaptor
Pentax K100D

An extension tube is needed between the bellows and the K100D because the bellows bumps into the flash when trying to screw it on.   All of these goodies were part a set to to go with an old Pentax Spotmatic from about 1965.  

It's mounted on my 30 year old Velbon tripod.

(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg195/xs400/themacro.jpg)

Here's a few shots from the set up.  You never see how much dust and fuzz there is until you get in really close.

A quarter - uncropped
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg195/xs400/trust-1.jpg)

Flower from a clover in my yard. - uncropped
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg195/xs400/clover-1.jpg)

Circuit board - uncropped
(http://i248.photobucket.com/albums/gg195/xs400/circuit.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: dbduchene on July 01, 2008, 08:06:16 pm

Well, I'm sporting some serious full frame digital wood. I got to play with a Nikon D700 today at a local dealer the Nikon rep was visiting.

It is one SERIOUS piece of equipment and I may jump the Canon ship by next year.


I love my full frame but it really needs top grade lens. Canon as a couple of real good full frame DSLR's The next gen EOS 5D is do out really soon. I am praying that he does not just stay in the mega Pex war. The new tech that let them reduce the space between the pixels gives them 2 choses. One put more pixels Two more surface area for the pixel. This lets the pixel charge faster and equals better low light. My 5 D well produce real nice 20x30 already. I shoot what I want when I take the picture and do not want lots of pixels so that I can try and crop the middle out and make a but pic again. Lower noise and being able to have 400 or matbe even 800 ISO look like 100 does now I would REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THAT. A camera that I could shoot at 1600 and above There are so many ways that I can see to make advantage of.
Denis D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 01, 2008, 08:31:44 pm
The D700 sounds sweet. But I don't think it beats a DX format for sports or landscape. And you have to buy new lenses. But that high ISO.... very tempting. I'm going to look at the D300, good ISO to 1600. My D200 is only good up to ISO 400


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 01, 2008, 08:46:23 pm

The D700 sounds sweet. But I don't think it beats a DX format for sports or landscape. And you have to buy new lenses. But that high ISO.... very tempting. I'm going to look at the D300, good ISO to 1600. My D200 is only good up to ISO 400


I have yet to buy any lens made for the smaller sensors. Havent had any kind of need for them. If I do jump ship to Nikon I would have to buy all new lenses anyways seeing as I currently have Canon.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: dbduchene on July 01, 2008, 08:57:10 pm



I have yet to buy any lens made for the smaller sensors. Havent had any kind of need for them. If I do jump ship to Nikon I would have to buy all new lenses anyways seeing as I currently have Canon.

Have you tried to use pre digital lens on your Gigi cams. It is suppose to have problems at some times do to the fact that the sensor is shinny and film is not. The old film lens did not have a coating on the last element. The new ones for Digital have a coating on the back also.
Also in full frame Digital the lens have to even better then for film. The Digital sensors are more sensitive to the light hitting them at a angle.
Denis D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 01, 2008, 09:55:15 pm



I have yet to buy any lens made for the smaller sensors. Havent had any kind of need for them. If I do jump ship to Nikon I would have to buy all new lenses anyways seeing as I currently have Canon.


My guess is Canon will come up with a new 5D or other to match the D700. Ain't no reason to hock the house for new cam platform. Nik & Can seem to match each other. Nikon just caught up to Canon.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 01, 2008, 09:58:57 pm



My guess is Canon will come up with a new 5D or other to match the D700. Ain't no reason to hock the house for new cam platform. Nik & Can seem to match each other. Nikon just caught up to Canon.


Yeah yeah yeah, I know.  :lol:  It will be interesting to see what the 5D MKII has to it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on July 01, 2008, 10:54:21 pm

Well, I'm sporting some serious full frame digital wood. I got to play with a Nikon D700 today at a local dealer the Nikon rep was visiting.

It is one SERIOUS piece of equipment and I may jump the Canon ship by next year.


 :bigok:  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on July 02, 2008, 12:05:43 am



I have yet to buy any lens made for the smaller sensors. Havent had any kind of need for them. If I do jump ship to Nikon I would have to buy all new lenses anyways seeing as I currently have Canon.


Hummmm Fred going to be having a sale on his gear?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 02, 2008, 12:08:58 am



Hummmm Fred going to be having a sale on his gear?


It'll be a while, Joe. Early next year if it happens at all.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on July 02, 2008, 12:13:38 am
Yeah I am pretty much done for a while myself. My 70-200 has been keeping me busy  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 02, 2008, 12:18:32 am

Yeah I am pretty much done for a while myself. My 70-200 has been keeping me busy  :D


No doubt.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on July 02, 2008, 09:23:47 am

The D700 sounds sweet. But I don't think it beats a DX format for sports or landscape.... snip


Ok,  DX format has typically (up until the D3) been the best choice for sports due to speed but I don't get the landscape reference with respect to DX  :headscratch:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 02, 2008, 10:23:56 am



Ok,  DX format has typically (up until the D3) been the best choice for sports due to speed but I don't get the landscape reference with respect to DX  :headscratch:


Landscape reference is for reach, which I believe is for wide & long

My... my ... doing my due diligence, that D700 is looking better. Just think I could stop the action on a bull rider at an indoor rodeo or get better flat track racers under horrible lighting.

ISO 6400... jeez that is tempting............  :rolleyes:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on July 08, 2008, 07:12:29 pm
For landscape wide is good, reach isn't really an issue hence FX is the preferred choice for landscape photographers.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on July 08, 2008, 07:14:29 pm

Well, I'm sporting some serious full frame digital wood. I got to play with a Nikon D700 today at a local dealer the Nikon rep was visiting.

It is one SERIOUS piece of equipment and I may jump the Canon ship by next year.


Just to make you feel better Fred.  I stopped on the way up to Door County for the 4th and picked up a Canon SD750.  Been meaning to get a pocket camera for to carry around in my...well...pocket  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 08, 2008, 08:37:27 pm

For landscape wide is good, reach isn't really an issue hence FX is the preferred choice for landscape photographers.


Oooops I was wrong... 14mm on FX is 14mm, on DX it's 18mm..


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 09, 2008, 03:18:09 pm
HEY!!!! Not enough pitchures here....

I'm using a graduated ND filter but it's still tough to keep the sun inside the histogram

Two smokey sunsets and one smokey sunrise Norcal..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/328786781_3JUzy-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/328787047_4SWkx-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/328787266_tEeS2-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 12, 2008, 12:59:44 pm
A little warning about Pelican soft cases:

Most of us are familiar with the near "indestructible" Pelican brand hard cases. Over the past year or so they have introduced a line of soft camera cases designed to be used on their own and also to fit in a few of their hard case models. I own two of them and until a recent problem became evident, I was fairly impressed with what I thought was good quality.

If you own a quality camera back you will notice that any point on the bag where straps attach to are generally reinforced with copious amounts of heavy duty stitching, across at the top and bottom of the attaching point as well as in an "X" pattern. Images labeled "bag1" and "bag2" are from one of my Lowepro bags.

Now for the Pelican problem- The anchor points for the shoulder strap are single stitched and only anchored at that one point. No "X", and not enough material there for it to be possible in the first place. This is the same for my smaller Pelican PCS 145 (Fits in my right pannier with room to spare) and the larger PCS 152 for when I need "everything" in one case for a location shoot.

Quite the disappointment. Needless to say, even if the bag is replaced under Pelican's warranty (5 years for the soft bags) it will still most likely have the same shoddy lack of reinforcement.

Here are the images:




Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 23, 2008, 11:55:23 pm
I got fogged out of my moonrise last Saturday night.

Sunday was mo' bedder... The weather at Laguna Seca was cool in the am and filtered sun til after noon.

The motogp was great. Quite a duel between Rossi & Stoner. Stoner low sided & Rossi won. Here's a few..

Pretty heavily cropped.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/337711221_TDzmh-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/337712381_9KEQZ-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/337713289_PoURU-M.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ZED on July 24, 2008, 12:14:38 am
Some neat shots.  :thumbsup:

If the head instructor at the track day I attended today was looking at that he likely would have said that the guy in white in the lead in the second shot needed to get his head down and off the bike a bit more.  Is that the guy that lost?  Maybe that's why he low-sided.

(No, I obviously don't actually follow the racing.  I'm more of a rider than a spectator.)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on July 24, 2008, 12:18:45 am

Some neat shots.  :thumbsup:

If the head instructor at the track day I attended today was looking at that he likely would have said that the guy in white in the lead in the second shot needed to get his head down and off the bike a bit more.  Is that the guy that lost?  Maybe that's why he low-sided.

(No, I obviously don't actually follow the racing.  I'm more of a rider than a spectator.)



If you're talking about the second photo, your track day instructor would probably say:

"That's Mat Mladin - 6 time AMA Superbike champion."

If you're talking about the first photo, he'd probably say:
"That's Valentino Rossi, arguably the greatest of all time."

Jeff

PS. Awesome shots Torags. Love the one of Vale and Stoner.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ZED on July 24, 2008, 12:38:52 am
So, the lead guy in the first photo is Rossi?

The apron on that track must be much smoother than the one here.  Hitting the apron here really slows you down and wrecks your line.  But hey, don't get me wrong, it's not like I'm fast.  I just go out and have fun.

Maybe I'll have to go play at one of those nice U.S. tracks some day just to see what it's like.

I won't bother posting pics from our track.  It's kinda crappy looking.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on July 24, 2008, 12:41:47 am
Yep, that's Rossi, and reigning MotoGP champ Casey Stoner behind him. These two guys were really going at it. Check out the race on YouTube. Rossi even took to the dirt on the Corkscrew to make the pass and make it stick.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on July 24, 2008, 12:53:15 am

I got fogged out of my moonrise last Saturday night.

Sunday was mo' bedder... The weather at Laguna Seca was cool in the am and filtered sun til after noon.

The motogp was great. Quite a duel between Rossi & Stoner. Stoner low sided & Rossi won. Here's a few..

Pretty heavily cropped.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/337711221_TDzmh-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/337712381_9KEQZ-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/337713289_PoURU-M.jpg)




Great shots.  Looks like the first one was taken at the entrance to the Corkscrew and you had a good position on the hill.  Were the last two also at the Corkscrew entrance, only shot from behind?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on July 24, 2008, 07:59:05 am
Valentino who???  :headscratch:  Just kiddin great shots. I hope the ones I take in Aug. for region 4 are good  :crazy: Thunder you are going right???


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 24, 2008, 11:08:13 am

The last two were taken at an identified turn I had to get off the road at. I brought my pit bike and the LEOs wouldn't let me ride it around the track (or walk it, in one case - WTF). It severely limited the shooting points.

The weather was great - filtered sun mostly ( not too warm.)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: denydog on July 30, 2008, 09:06:01 pm
Hello again :)

I've been trying out the Canon 40D I got a month ago.  Still getting acquainted with it, as well as with DPP for RAW conversion.  Have a ways to go.

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u179/denydog/IMG_2.jpg)

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u179/denydog/MtinField.jpg)

The camera came with the EF 28-135 F3.5/5.6 IS, which is OK, but I needed something a little shorter and faster for a lot of my use, so I just ordered an EF-S 17-55 F2.8 IS.   I considered the EF 17-40 F4 L, but figured the 17-55 would be a bit faster with the aperture and 3 stop IS.  I've seen some good things on the sharpness with this lens also.

Now if I could figure out what I'm doing in DPP.  :headscratch:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 30, 2008, 09:42:17 pm
Nice. You won't be sorry getting the 2.8. Your indoor family shots w/o flash is worth it alone.

 :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: vitaminC on July 30, 2008, 10:52:53 pm
I'm looking forward to seeing version 2.0 of the Sigma DP1 (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sigmadp1/)

(http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/sigmadp1/images/sigmadp1_3q-001.jpg)

I love my D70, but I don't like carrying it around.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: JReazor on July 30, 2008, 11:03:58 pm

I love my D70, but I don't like carrying it around.


That's exactly why I bought a Canon G9 (http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canong9/). I couldn't be happier with it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 30, 2008, 11:09:37 pm

Valentino who???  :headscratch:  Just kiddin great shots. I hope the ones I take in Aug. for region 4 are good  :crazy: Thunder you are going right???


If I do I'm going to have to cage it. Got a frakking drywall screw in my rear tire last weekend. and I dont think the plug will hold for that kind of ride.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on July 31, 2008, 10:15:16 am
I was thinking on caging it due to my tripod and gear might be too much for the bike LOL. I bought a bigger bag and it didn't appear to want to fit in my trunk.  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on July 31, 2008, 10:22:01 am

I was thinking on caging it due to my tripod and gear might be too much for the bike LOL. I bought a bigger bag and it didn't appear to want to fit in my trunk.  :lol:


 :crazy:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on July 31, 2008, 10:26:32 am



 :crazy:


Yeah whoops  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 31, 2008, 11:08:32 am
You need a trunk this big. The stack of wood is hidden behind a bush

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/221903546_2kmD2-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on July 31, 2008, 12:28:49 pm
Is that a Honda Element? What do you think of it? 4x2 or 4x4? What kind of mileage do you get?

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on July 31, 2008, 03:44:40 pm

Is that a Honda Element? What do you think of it? 4x2 or 4x4? What kind of mileage do you get?

Jeff


Yup. Its an Element 4X4. It gets lousy mileage for what it is. I get 19 +/- city & 21 +/-.

The thing I like about it is, its roomy as hell and not fancy. I clean it twice a year whether it needs it or not. I just hosed out the interior last week (that's right, the interior). It fits my pit bike and when in the rough I sleep in it (with the pit bike in). That pic was in the desert at the Baja1000.

When I want to ride in a clean car (which is not often) I use my wifes Jag XK (which can't fit much, but the parking valets like it).


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on July 31, 2008, 04:18:26 pm

You need a trunk this big. The stack of wood is hidden behind a bush

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/221903546_2kmD2-M.jpg)


Now that looks like it would be a good time.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on August 01, 2008, 10:18:34 am

If I do I'm going to have to cage it. Got a frakking drywall screw in my rear tire last weekend. and I dont think the plug will hold for that kind of ride.


Cage it man! The more photos the better. You took some great photos last time you were out at the track with me! We won't give you crap about the cage. We will, however, give Joe lots of crap! He's got a wing. They should be able to carry anything! Heck I carried a hockey sized bag home last night on my FZ.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 01, 2008, 10:23:24 am



Cage it man! The more photos the better. You took some great photos last time you were out at the track with me! We won't give you crap about the cage. We will, however, give Joe lots of crap! He's got a wing. They should be able to carry anything! Heck I carried a hockey sized bag home last night on my FZ.


Thanks, Matt. Believe me- I wont let the idea of caging it stop me. Besides- Somebody has to show Joe how its done  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 01, 2008, 10:25:44 am
Hey my bag don't fit in any of the trunks, and there is no way I am strapping it to the passenger seat  :twofinger:  :lol:  My camera costs almost as much as my bike  :crazy:  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 01, 2008, 10:27:06 am



Thanks, Matt. Believe me- I wont let the idea of caging it stop me. Besides- Somebody has to show Joe how its done  :D


Ouch... but teach away o-jedi master as I will become one with the Canon. Like you didn't think I wouldn't be on your six asking questions that day  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 01, 2008, 10:36:18 am



Ouch... but teach away o-jedi master as I will become one with the Canon. Like you didn't think I would be on your six asking questions.


Checking my watch now..........  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 01, 2008, 10:40:09 am
Yeah I will be ready with my 10 gb of cards I plan to fill.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 01, 2008, 10:58:18 am

Yeah I will be ready with my 10 gb of cards I plan to fill.


10? How many of those do you have?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 01, 2008, 11:25:22 am

Yeah I will be ready with my 10 gb of cards I plan to fill.


If you're going to shot that many images, you might like to look at Rawshooter Essentials 2006 for raw only.

I found it it to be a fast user friendly FREE processing software. It speeds up my workflow with easy fast deletion procedures.

The chap who developed it sold it to Adobe and now works as a developer on Lightroom.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 01, 2008, 11:27:05 am
I hope to have light room 2 soon. Thanks torags.  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 01, 2008, 12:16:15 pm

I hope to have light room 2 soon. Thanks torags.  :D


I have LR 1.+???.

I'm not an Adobe fan. I get pissed because the altered files are saved in a proprietary file extension (irt?). They are also aggressively invasive with their Adobe catalog product.

End of rant.

good luck with LR2


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 08, 2008, 12:54:09 pm
I'm an architecture buff (since I'm a builder, I suppose) and I'm a fan of Frank Gehry (Bilboa, Spain , Disney concert Hall , LA)

The new Jewish Museum in SF had an edgy architect that added to a historical Building. I took some shots yesterday with my Panasonic LX1 P&S. I couldn't see the entire frame in the LCD (no viewfinder) so I clipped some tops off.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/347628440_U5XLt-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/347628484_9dgsg-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/347628614_sJ8fs-M.jpg)

BTW this is a good example of glare being present in fog. I could have used a polarizer.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: denydog on August 10, 2008, 10:38:08 pm

Nice. You won't be sorry getting the 2.8. Your indoor family shots w/o flash is worth it alone.

 :thumbsup:

I don't know about family shots.  I had STN gatherings more in mind! :lol:

I did have a chance to test the low light capability of the Canon 17-55 F2.8 IS last night at one.  Not the greatest picture, and luck probably played a big part, but this was shot at 1.3 seconds hand held.  F3.5 with +2/3 stops exposure compensation.

(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u179/denydog/IMG_6.jpg)

Most of my shots last night would have been better if I had remembered to take the white balance off of the daylight setting :rolleyes:
Anyway, I'm liking the lens so far.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 10, 2008, 11:52:38 pm
That's a tough shot. High glare fire, dark surround. You did good...   :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on August 11, 2008, 12:09:33 am
You held that for 1.3 seconds!? Holy crap that's a sharp shot for holding that long. Was the camera sitting on your lap or something to restrict movement?

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: denydog on August 11, 2008, 12:09:48 am
I was just surprised it was a usable snapshot with that long of a handheld exposure.  The moon is really overexposed.   I forgot to mention, ISO 1600.  In person, everything actually looked darker.


You held that for 1.3 seconds!? Holy crap that's a sharp shot for holding that long. Was the camera sitting on your lap or something to restrict movement?

Jeff

No.  I was sitting in a chair and just raised the camera to my eye.  I was surprised when the verwfinder went dark for so long, and thought it would end up a total blur, but I just held it steady.  The IS on this lens must be something. :p  I probably couldn't repeat it if I tried.

File Name   IMG_0339.JPG
Camera Model   Canon EOS 40D
Shooting Date/Time   8/9/2008 9:10:16 PM
Shooting Mode   Aperture-Priority AE
Tv( Shutter Speed )   1.3
Av( Aperture Value )   3.5
Metering Mode   Partial Metering
Exposure Compensation   +2/3
ISO Speed   1600
Lens   EF-S17-55mm f/2.8 IS USM
Focal Length   17.0 mm
Image Size   3888x2592
Image Quality   Fine
Flash   Off
White Balance Mode   Daylight
AF Mode   One-Shot AF
Picture Style   Standard
Sharpness   3
Contrast   0
Saturation   0
Color tone   0
Color Space   sRGB
Long exposure noise reduction   1:Auto
High ISO speed noise reduction   0:Disable
Highlight tone priority   0:Disable
File Size   3850 KB
Drive Mode   Single shooting
Owner's Name   Jon XXX
Camera Body No.   XXX


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 11, 2008, 10:09:58 am
Well I was kicked off the infield...... again!.... I feel like a paparazzi scab

The head of marketing at a local horse track (where a county fair was being held) told me I was not authorized (not media) to leave. He was however, gentleman enough to allow me to shoot the race there. I like the turf (grass covered) track, adds color to the race. I tried my 70/200.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/349128914_gwuRH-M.jpg)

Looking forward to next weekend. Shooting the Polo championships on Sat and CORR (off road pick ups) racing on Sun.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on August 12, 2008, 12:02:12 am
Looks great. The horses really jump out of the photo, and the turf definitely adds an element of vivid color.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on August 12, 2008, 01:46:14 am

Well I was kicked off the infield...... again!.... I feel like a paparazzi scab

The head of marketing at a local horse track (where a county fair was being held) told me I was not authorized (not media) to leave. He was however, gentleman enough to allow me to shoot the race there. I like the turf (grass covered) track, adds color to the race. I tried my 70/200.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/349128914_gwuRH-M.jpg)

Looking forward to next weekend. Shooting the Polo championships on Sat and CORR (off road pick ups) racing on Sun.


I really like that shot.  Great work to get all the riders in focus (all at different distances) and still get the defocused background.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 12, 2008, 10:27:29 am
Thanks...

After deleting a hundred at different fstops and shutter speeds I found f4 at 500 good. At 1/350 the hooves were blurred and at 2.8 the dof wouldn't get the whole group in focus. That said its always a challenge.

For me, I never know what I have until I upload and sometimes I delete the entire shoot.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 12, 2008, 10:42:56 am
I shot my first track day yesterday it was alot more involved then I thought. Moving sometimes I heard around 100mph or so those suckers are hard to track LOL, I took some nice to me photos but now I have to look over the 1680 or so I took.  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on August 12, 2008, 12:00:34 pm

LOL, I took some nice to me photos but now I have to look over the 1680 or so I took.  :lol:


Lol, that's why I'm scared to upgrade from my XT to something with a faster continuous mode...  :lol:

Post some when you have them sorted!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 12, 2008, 12:20:47 pm

I shot my first track day yesterday it was alot more involved then I thought. Moving sometimes I heard around 100mph or so those suckers are hard to track LOL, I took some nice to me photos but now I have to look over the 1680 or so I took.  :lol:


You think those are tough... wait until you try to pan the drags....


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 12, 2008, 12:32:39 pm



You think those are tough... wait until you try to pan the drags....


Did that back in 1988 at the strip in Milan, MI. I'll try to find my negs for a scan-n-post.

Joe, cant wait to see how you did. Oh and I'm considering jumping to Nikon.  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 12, 2008, 01:34:42 pm
Nikon  :eek:          :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 12, 2008, 02:02:01 pm



Lol, that's why I'm scared to upgrade from my XT to something with a faster continuous mode...  :lol:

Post some when you have them sorted!


Heres one I don't know if its good or not.  :crazy:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/IMG_4158.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 12, 2008, 02:18:03 pm



Heres one I don't know if its good or not.  :crazy:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/IMG_4158.jpg)



Joe, for your first outing its a good one. Panning while shooting would have given the feeling of forward motion, though.

What lens did you use?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 12, 2008, 02:32:10 pm
I think the 70-200mm.  I did some panning but I have not checked those yet. I just shot some quick ones up this morning.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 12, 2008, 03:22:53 pm
What Thunder7 said...

Before you switch to Nikon, why don't you wait for Canons response to the Nikon D700/D3. You might save bux on lenses.

I'm a Nikon guy and I'm not happy with my d200 (I wouldn't recommend it-ISO over 400 sux). But I'm happy with my lenses.

The D700 looks sweet, but I want to sell my project bike (HD XR883) to finance it. It would cut down on the household noise from my bride.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 12, 2008, 03:27:43 pm
I will try to get some of the panning photos up tonight.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 12, 2008, 06:23:31 pm

What Thunder7 said...

Before you switch to Nikon, why don't you wait for Canons response to the Nikon D700/D3. You might save bux on lenses.

I'm a Nikon guy and I'm not happy with my d200 (I wouldn't recommend it-ISO over 400 sux). But I'm happy with my lenses.

The D700 looks sweet, but I want to sell my project bike (HD XR883) to finance it. It would cut down on the household noise from my bride.


I so rarely shoot over ISO 400 (Almost always 100 or 200) that it really isn't much of a concern. I could hold out a little longer and get a D300. Canon's response will be whatever is replacing the 5D but I'm not prepared to spend 3k or more on a body. The 1Ds MkIII is such a recent introduction that its at least two years away from a replacement. Canon's usual product cycle for their pro models is 2-3 years.

There are other issues that have become apparent to me that I am considering jumping. I hold no brand loyalty- Its whatever does the job best.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 12, 2008, 11:25:12 pm
I would wait for the 300. The 700 is going to throw a lot of 200,s & 300's on the market. I just wouldn't recommend a 200. My D70s (a generation earlier) gives as good or better pix than the 200 without the fps


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on August 13, 2008, 01:33:33 am



I so rarely shoot over ISO 400 (Almost always 100 or 200) that it really isn't much of a concern. I could hold out a little longer and get a D300. Canon's response will be whatever is replacing the 5D but I'm not prepared to spend 3k or more on a body. The 1Ds MkIII is such a recent introduction that its at least two years away from a replacement. Canon's usual product cycle for their pro models is 2-3 years.

There are other issues that have become apparent to me that I am considering jumping. I hold no brand loyalty- Its whatever does the job best.


How about lens investment?  I would think that if you have a large investment in Canon lenses it would make switching to Nikon incredibly expensive.  Or is resale value on Canon lenses pretty good?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 13, 2008, 10:45:04 am

I will try to get some of the panning photos up tonight.


Note to self needed to have practiced panning better  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 13, 2008, 10:53:23 am



How about lens investment?  I would think that if you have a large investment in Canon lenses it would make switching to Nikon incredibly expensive.  Or is resale value on Canon lenses pretty good?


Consequence of the switch- Taking a loss on the initial investment. I've done it a few times over about 25 years. Olympus/Minolta(Maxxum)/Pentax645/Canon(FD)/Nikon/Pentax645/Canon

It only hurts if its a bad decision.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 14, 2008, 09:14:07 am
I don't know if anybody here has been following the Region 4 track day heres some of my photos. I don't think they are too bad.  :shrug:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/ben1.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/matt3.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 18, 2008, 04:05:07 pm
Not bad at all... Nice panning

It seems to me panning is always a compromise of image sharpness.

I think #1 is better than #2 because the image appears sharper (better separation) and the panning effect is as good.

I shot some Championship Off Road Racing (CORR) yesterday & I don't know what I have yet. I'll post some after PP.

& some Polo .....


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 20, 2008, 01:22:23 pm
Screw Canon- I'm going Nikon by years end.

Less than three years old and my 30D needs a new shutter.

Fracking piece of sh1t.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 20, 2008, 02:01:13 pm
Santa Barbara Polo Championships

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/355637028_GMZXk-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/355637179_A34zB-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/355639208_7nM2D-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/355642855_9AKnA-M.jpg)

Championship Off Road Racing

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/355213228_3ZEKk-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/355213298_3JE7g-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/355213815_26FRD-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/355213887_P8NVD-M.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 20, 2008, 03:06:42 pm

Screw Canon- I'm going Nikon by years end.

Less than three years old and my 30D needs a new shutter.

Fracking piece of sh1t.


Now that frickin suxs is it expensive to repair? I hope to go full sensor by next summer give or take.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 20, 2008, 03:08:19 pm
Wow, torags those are some cool offroad photos. I hope to be hitting a dragstrip in the next few weeks for some photos.  :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 20, 2008, 03:11:52 pm



Now that frickin suxs is it expensive to repair? I hope to go full sensor by next summer give or take.


About $230. Out of all the cameras I have owned over the years this is the first catastrophic failure I have ever had. To have it happen to a camera that has never even been dropped/bounced just makes it even worse.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 20, 2008, 03:25:57 pm
So you are going to switch to Nikon? Let me know when you start to sell your stuff off.  :D  Or you could fix your canon and us it as a backup when you switch over.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 20, 2008, 05:18:22 pm

So you are going to switch to Nikon? Let me know when you start to sell your stuff off.  :D  Or you could fix your canon and us it as a backup when you switch over.


Then I'd have to carry around two different sets of lenses so once its goes, its gone. I'll make the switch near years end I think, maybe as late as February.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 20, 2008, 07:49:45 pm

Wow, torags those are some cool offroad photos. I hope to be hitting a dragstrip in the next few weeks for some photos.  :D


Some tips of my my drags experience.

Get on the sun side (sun behind you)

The start has a lot of people around that will ruin most shots (except your event shots), consider going down the track some. You might get lucky and get a turn around or an engine blow.

Bring ear plugs... I said BRING EAR PLUGS!!!!

Its real difficult to pan a 300mph vehicle moving laterally. Careful of the neighbor next to you.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 20, 2008, 08:08:50 pm
I shot the IHRA Northern Nationals at Milan, Michigan back in '88 (Contacts at Motor Trend got me access) and it was my first drag race. I did bring ear plugs and was thankful for it.

The really cool part was when the "rail" dragsters took off from the start the SPL was enough to almost blow me over.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on August 21, 2008, 12:07:49 am
Great photos torags. I always enjoy looking at your photos.

Fred, that's a bummer about your camera. There goes an idea I had that I hadn't mentioned to you yet.  ;) Do you have a backup camera right now, or are you, gasp, camera-less?

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 21, 2008, 12:15:41 am

Great photos torags. I always enjoy looking at your photos.

Fred, that's a bummer about your camera. There goes an idea I had that I hadn't mentioned to you yet.  ;) Do you have a backup camera right now, or are you, gasp, camera-less?

Jeff


I'm not cameraless per se but I wouldn't call any of what I have a backup. The only shoot related stuff I have coming up I'm in full control over so I'm not losing anything financially by not having the camera. What sucks ass is that it happened at all.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 22, 2008, 09:00:25 am
Anybody hear of the Canon 50D being leaked by Chinas website then removed?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 22, 2008, 09:06:34 am

Anybody hear of the Canon 50D being leaked by Chinas website then removed?



Saw it. Looks like a 40d with a 50d label.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 22, 2008, 11:14:49 pm
A couple of shots from my attempt at getting a good moonrise Monday nite at the 'Gate. A little noisy, I didn't do noise reduction on post process.

You know where this is..

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/357076237_wKxs5-M.jpg)

The other bridge (Bay Bridge has necklace lights)...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/357076719_bJR27-M.jpg)

I should have used my ND filter, maybe next time. BTW the moon rose from the fog into some cumulus clouds in less than two minutes.





Title: Best Small Camera?
Post by: Orson on August 23, 2008, 11:33:27 am
Kindly excuse me for not having read the previous 916 posts  :o :D

I'd like to replace my 5 year old SONYCyber-shot 3.2 mega pixel with something newer, but I don't wanna sacrifice luggage space.

The Cyber-shot is about the size of a pack of cigarettes and I'd like to replace it with something similar (or smaller)

So to recap...I want the best quality photos with the smallest size camera  :)

Thanks  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 23, 2008, 11:51:13 am
Torags, I am seriously groovin' on that Golden Gate shot.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 23, 2008, 01:49:35 pm

Kindly excuse me for not having read the previous 916 posts  :o :D

I'd like to replace my 5 year old SONYCyber-shot 3.2 mega pixel with something newer, but I don't wanna sacrifice luggage space.

The Cyber-shot is about the size of a pack of cigarettes and I'd like to replace it with something similar (or smaller)

So to recap...I want the best quality photos with the smallest size camera  :)

Thanks  :thumbsup:


Check out the Canon G9 kinda up there in price but really nice, its not the smallest but when you buy the smaller camera you are going to suffer with the image quality during certain conditions low light, moving subjects which is tough for all cameras. You want the best quality photos it going to cost ya. I am sure someone else out there has a favorite they will chime in. Good luck on the search.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 23, 2008, 01:51:42 pm



Check out the Canon G9 kinda up there in price but really nice, its not the smallest but when you buy the smaller camera you are going to suffer with the image quality during certain conditions low light, moving subjects which is tough for all cameras. You want the best quality photos it going to cost ya. I am sure someone else out there has a favorite they will chime in. Good luck on the search.


Good luck finding one- Its been discontinued and the announcement of its replacement is any day now.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 23, 2008, 02:43:51 pm



Check out the Canon G9 kinda up there in price but really nice, its not the smallest but when you buy the smaller camera you are going to suffer with the image quality during certain conditions low light, moving subjects which is tough for all cameras. You want the best quality photos it going to cost ya. I am sure someone else out there has a favorite they will chime in. Good luck on the search.


Yup. And if you take pix midday, you'll get glare. But whatever you get, get a cam with a view finder. They may not be accurate, but they're better than an LCD only during midday.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on August 23, 2008, 09:49:45 pm
Quote
I'd like to replace my 5 year old SONYCyber-shot 3.2 mega pixel with something newer, but I don't wanna sacrifice luggage space.


I've been liking my Canon A720IS for a not-too-expensive carry-around point-and-shoot with enough manual controls to have fun.

It's medium size for a compact camera. It takes great looking photos and you can get creative with the photographic control it gives you.

(http://kurtwindisch.smugmug.com/photos/321561027_FsJgU-XL.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 25, 2008, 12:14:31 am



Good luck finding one- Its been discontinued and the announcement of its replacement is any day now.


 :crazy:  Whoops discontinued already.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 25, 2008, 04:40:47 pm
So here goes- as has been mentioned before, my Canon 30D is in the shop getting the shutter replaced.

As I still want to shoot, I only have one readily available option assuming I dont want to break out my old 4x5 press camera (I actually might- Its been a while). I have an old Olympus IS-3, which at the time was their top of the line ZLR (Zoom Lens Reflex). Olympus pioneered  an inexpensive method of manufacturing LD (Low dispersion) optics which gave this camera amazing image quality for what it was. The focal length was 35-180mm with a blisteringly fast f4.5-5.6 aperture.

There were also 2 accessory screw-on lenses. One would make for a 28mm wide angle and the other would make for a 300mm telephoto. I have the wide angle attachment. I figure that properly scanned, I will get far better results than a P&S digital.

I'll post up scans when I have some of note.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 25, 2008, 05:24:05 pm
Hell yeah I'm breakin' out the old 4x5 too. Got some 100 Speed Ilford Delta sheet film, my B&W Polaroid stuff and an attitude. F*CK YEAH!
 :D



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 25, 2008, 05:40:21 pm
Interesting setup. Let's see what you get. Good luck          :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on August 25, 2008, 06:29:40 pm

Interesting setup. Let's see what you get. Good luck          :D


I've used both many times before, its just been a while is all. Digital really does suit my lazy nature.




Title: Re: Best Small Camera?
Post by: Avigar on August 26, 2008, 01:58:35 am

Kindly excuse me for not having read the previous 916 posts  :o :D

I'd like to replace my 5 year old SONYCyber-shot 3.2 mega pixel with something newer, but I don't wanna sacrifice luggage space.

The Cyber-shot is about the size of a pack of cigarettes and I'd like to replace it with something similar (or smaller)

So to recap...I want the best quality photos with the smallest size camera  :)

Thanks  :thumbsup:


If you want to stay with Sony, look into DSC-W170 model which has gotten great reviews. Google it for more info.


Title: Re: Best Small Camera?
Post by: Orson on August 26, 2008, 07:40:13 am

If you want to stay with Sony, look into DSC-W170 model which has gotten great reviews. Google it for more info.

Thanks  :thumbsup:

As far as staying with SONY, the brand doesn't really matter to me, as I know next to nuthin about cameras.

The SONY has done a good job for me. No complaints. It's just that I see some jaw dropping pictures on the web and start to thinking my camera may be a bit dated.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 26, 2008, 12:07:39 pm
Orson alot of the photos are probably Photoshopped in some way or another. I have a few old cameras that look the photos look just as good as my DSLR its a Sony F828 and its I think 8yrs old.


Title: Re: Best Small Camera?
Post by: Avigar on August 26, 2008, 06:43:54 pm

The SONY has done a good job for me. No complaints. It's just that I see some jaw dropping pictures on the web and start to thinking my camera may be a bit dated.


It's all in the composition and using your fav photo editor to make it even better.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 28, 2008, 11:02:04 am
We've had 90+ degrees locally which is unusual, creating a bad air day. Bad air, forest fires seem to give some good sunrises/sunsets.

This morning there wasn't enough smog....

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/360706914_gx7Dv-M.jpg)


Title: Re: Best Small Camera?
Post by: Mr. Whippy on August 28, 2008, 11:31:01 am


Thanks  :thumbsup:

As far as staying with SONY, the brand doesn't really matter to me, as I know next to nuthin about cameras.

The SONY has done a good job for me. No complaints. It's just that I see some jaw dropping pictures on the web and start to thinking my camera may be a bit dated.


To add to the other comments, there's a woman from my hometown, Wilma Roberts (http://www.brightcove.tv/channel.jsp?channel=2621233), who is a nationally recognized photographer.  She's pretty good friends with my parents.  One evening, over dinner, my Dad made the same comment "I bet my photos would be better if I had a better camera".  

Wilma took the bet, they went out, she shot with his camera, he shot with hers and they compared the results.  My dad still has the same camera.  :lol:

Better pictures come from exploring what your camera can do added to the shooter's intrinsic artistic eye.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 28, 2008, 12:15:15 pm



To add to the other comments, there's a woman from my hometown, Wilma Roberts (http://www.brightcove.tv/channel.jsp?channel=2621233), who is a nationally recognized photographer.  She's pretty good friends with my parents.  One evening, over dinner, my Dad made the same comment "I bet my photos would be better if I had a better camera".  

Wilma took the bet, they went out, she shot with his camera, he shot with hers and they compared the results.  My dad still has the same camera.  :lol:

Better pictures come from exploring what your camera can do added to the shooter's intrinsic artistic eye.


 :thumbsup:


Title: Re: Best Small Camera?
Post by: JReazor on August 28, 2008, 02:10:01 pm
Better pictures come from exploring what your camera can do added to the shooter's intrinsic artistic eye.


Yup, I grew up with a Pentax K1000. Simplest and best camera I ever owned until I bought an old Nikon F and a WWII era Leica IIIf.

That's why I never post images here. Everything I've ever done that I actually like is on film and I can't be bothered to scan them.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: number9 on August 28, 2008, 04:09:48 pm
A while back I went around and around reviewing camera threads on several forums trying to decide on a new camera for my wife to take family pics and stuff with. I was down to the Canon SD870-IS and the Canon S5-IS. I went with the S5 for her and we really like it. However, it is a little too big to carry on the bike, so a couple weeks ago I pulled the trigger on the SD870 for me to use on bike trips and stuff. I REALLY like that little camera - and kinda wish I had got one for her back then as it is much easier to tote along (and loose I guess) in her purse or bag than the S5. The wide angle on the SD870 comes in handy as heck and it takes great pics and has high reviews on every thing I could find on it.

.....


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Mr. Whippy on August 28, 2008, 04:16:24 pm

A while back I went around and around reviewing camera threads on several forums trying to decide on a new camera for my wife to take family pics and stuff with. I was down to the Canon SD870-IS and the Canon S5-IS. I went with the S5 for her and we really like it. However, it is a little too big to carry on the bike, so a couple weeks ago I pulled the trigger on the SD870 for me to use on bike trips and stuff. I REALLY like that little camera - and kinda wish I had got one for her back then as it is much easier to tote along (and loose I guess) in her purse or bag than the S5. The wide angle on the SD870 comes in handy as heck and it takes great pics and has high reviews on every thing I could find on it.

.....


That is the exact camera I used on my climbing trip (Canon SD870is that is)

(http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z231/bluebadger88/Alpamayo/Picture121.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 29, 2008, 02:59:08 pm
Buell had there riders out today.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/5570.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/IMG_5573.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/IMG_5574.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on August 29, 2008, 03:53:57 pm
My wife took the P&S A720IS on a trip and it now has what appears to be dust on the sensor.

I know, I know. That shouldn't happen with a P&S  :headscratch: Yet, there it is, in the LCD and every single downloaded photo. The lens surface is clean and I can't see anything through the lens front. It's affected by the focus point and DoF, just like sensor dust. WTF.

I think it will have to get sent to Canon...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Mr. Whippy on August 29, 2008, 03:58:15 pm

My wife took the P&S A720IS on a trip and it now has what appears to be dust on the sensor.

I know, I know. That shouldn't happen with a P&S  :headscratch: Yet, there it is, in the LCD and every single downloaded photo. The lens surface is clean and I can't see anything through the lens front. It's affected by the focus point and DoF, just like sensor dust. WTF.

I think it will have to get sent to Canon...



Might be Nessie... :p

I thought was impossible too.  If you send it in, I would love to hear what the follow up is (Did Canon consider it a build problem or is there a way to contaminate the sensor, etc)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 29, 2008, 08:53:37 pm
Some glass

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/361538231_UvZ2Q-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/361538343_ttYgj-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/361538371_gLHcF-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/361538430_EFe4a-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on August 29, 2008, 11:43:25 pm
Cool photos torags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 31, 2008, 10:13:23 pm
Splish splash...........

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/362897158_RgmPm-M.jpg)

Ooops...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/362896859_JkKbn-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/362897719_HWh4w-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on August 31, 2008, 11:18:54 pm
Torags, that last kiteboarding shot is especially cool. Great work.

I went supermoto racing this weekend. Before I sort or edit, here's one of the mini-road racers that we share the venue with.

(http://kurtwindisch.smugmug.com/photos/362936085_9B47F-O.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on August 31, 2008, 11:27:08 pm
Now that boy is standing tall... He & his dad will love the shot..   :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on September 01, 2008, 02:24:25 am

Torags, that last kiteboarding shot is especially cool. Great work.

I went supermoto racing this weekend. Before I sort or edit, here's one of the mini-road racers that we share the venue with.

(http://kurtwindisch.smugmug.com/photos/362936085_9B47F-O.jpg)


Kurt and Torags - those are great shots!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on September 01, 2008, 01:54:42 pm
Two that I like from the Supermoto Unlimited main event:

In practically every class out there, you get to see some damn fine racing! These two photos say it all. The kid on the little Honda was stalking Marc (who is not slow!) on his might Husky the whole race.  

Two of my favorite photos from the day:

(http://kurtwindisch.smugmug.com/photos/363319600_qRouo-XL.jpg)

(http://kurtwindisch.smugmug.com/photos/363320457_6CXaA-O.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ol Rocket on September 01, 2008, 03:19:32 pm

Torags, that last kiteboarding shot is especially cool. Great work.

I went supermoto racing this weekend. Before I sort or edit, here's one of the mini-road racers that we share the venue with.

(http://kurtwindisch.smugmug.com/photos/362936085_9B47F-O.jpg)


Larry would be proud there's another (RC)45 coming up through the ranks.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on September 01, 2008, 04:19:24 pm
Nice captures Kurt...    :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on September 07, 2008, 06:20:29 pm
Snapshot from my iPhone. For a silly little camera phone snapshot, it doesn't do half bad for some subjects.

(http://kurtwindisch.smugmug.com/photos/367720507_iRyN9-L.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on September 07, 2008, 06:33:40 pm

Snapshot from my iPhone. For a silly little camera phone snapshot, it doesn't do half bad for some subjects.

(http://kurtwindisch.smugmug.com/photos/367720507_iRyN9-L.jpg)


Very nice!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on September 07, 2008, 06:45:33 pm

Snapshot from my iPhone. For a silly little camera phone snapshot, it doesn't do half bad for some subjects.

(http://kurtwindisch.smugmug.com/photos/367720507_iRyN9-L.jpg)


That's a simply stunning shot, even more impressive coming from a camera phone.  Very nice!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on September 07, 2008, 07:51:52 pm
Hey Kurt... Iphone? very impressive (nice bike too...)    :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on September 07, 2008, 10:10:51 pm
Without a doubt the best camera phone photo I've ever seen.

(Apologies to Fred and his on-the-sly cowboy boots and denim skirt photo.)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on September 08, 2008, 08:01:21 am
That is one of the best photos I have seen from a camera phone.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on September 09, 2008, 01:00:36 am
A photo I took at the lake.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/waterflow.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on September 09, 2008, 01:29:19 am

A photo I took at the lake.


Oh wow. That's really cool. Great B&W treatment too! Great job!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on September 09, 2008, 08:12:58 am
Thanks Kurt, I love black and whites and really been working on them so they don't look like crap. I am liking PS3 more and more everyday. I have Lightroom2 but have not really played with it much.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on September 09, 2008, 11:44:58 am
Looks good Joe.

Most photogs like silky falling water. I'm not a fan of that myself. I like what you've shown; which is the personality of the water. The curls, the splash...

Think I'm nutz? If you've wild river rafted/kayaked, you can relate.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on September 09, 2008, 12:10:50 pm
Thanks torags, I like some of the silky water flowing only on waterfalls other then that I like the sharp look of the water in other things. I was just last week looking at buying a kayak.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on September 09, 2008, 12:13:49 pm
yep a lot of people might try long exposure there. It's obvious in hindsight that this is the more interesting shot for this particular subject. The trick is seeing that in the field. Good job!  

One thing I like about lightroom is the click-and-drag b&w toning but I mostly use it for bulk processing.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on September 09, 2008, 12:18:11 pm

Thanks torags, I like some of the silky water flowing only on waterfalls other then that I like the sharp look of the water in other things. I was just last week looking at buying a kayak.


Great stuff, Joe but I gotta be honest with you. The words "silky water" coming from you just seems all sorts of wrong......   :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on September 09, 2008, 12:21:30 pm

Great stuff, Joe but I gotta be honest with you. The words "silky water" coming from you just seems all sorts of wrong......   :lol:


 :lol:


Title: Nikon D4 pre-orders in France 25mp.
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on September 11, 2008, 12:15:03 pm
Link. Anybody know French?

http://nikonrumors.com/2008/09/04/nikon-d4.aspx


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on September 14, 2008, 08:14:58 am
Yesterday I pulled the trigger. Came home with a Nikon D300 along with the external battery pack, the Nikon 24-120 ED/VR f3.5-5.6 lens, a Tokina 12-24mm f4 zoom and the Nikon SB 800 flash. Went out to a bar last night where a friend's band was playing just to test things out. Set the camera up for just the basics (The bloody manual is over 400 pages!) and went to town, filling up just one two gig memory card. A 2-gig card will hold about 76 14 bit RAW images. 25 meg in size at that!

Nothing special about anything I shot last night so I'm not posting any images yet but there will be some soon.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on September 14, 2008, 10:16:47 am
Hey.. Good luck

Maybe for bar work you need 1.4 -1.8.    :lol:

You might like to consider getting a 50 1.4 (1.8), a really well priced lens. The 1.4 is good for concerts

Good online resources for Nikon info etc., http://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php

http://www.nikoncafe.com/vforums/index.php

I'm rearranging my stuff also. Selling my Nikon 200-400 f4 (to heavy for me) to get a D700 & Sigma 300 f 2.8.








Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on September 14, 2008, 10:35:01 am

Hey.. Good luck

Maybe for bar work you need 1.4 -1.8.    :lol:

You might like to consider getting a 50 1.4 (1.8), a really well priced lens. The 1.4 is good for concerts

Good online resources for Nikon info etc., http://www.nikonians.org/forums/dcboard.php

http://www.nikoncafe.com/vforums/index.php

I'm rearranging my stuff also. Selling my Nikon 200-400 f4 (to heavy for me) to get a D700 & Sigma 300 f 2.8.



D700???? Man, I'm jealous......

Shooting in bars isnt a regular thing for me by any means. When I used to do it, I used my Canon 17-40 f4 and a flash. I was getting paid,and I really didnt give a damn about blasting people with the flash :)

If it became a regular gig then I'd certainly consider a faster lens. In the meantime, the next lens will be a 70-200 2.8, possibly the Tokina. My personal experience with Sigma has been 3 for 3 completely negative so I have an allergy to them.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on September 14, 2008, 11:35:24 am
Fred, since you've finally come to your senses  :D and are in need of glass, I'll steer you to KEH like I do everybody else;
http://www.keh.com/OnLineStore/BrandTableOfContent.aspx
Don't buy new.  Buy used.  KEH is a good company to do business with.  The glass is always better than they say it is, Nikon hasn't changed there mount so glass lasts forever.  The only new piece of glass I've purchased in the last 20 years is my Tokina 12-24 (it's also the only none Nikkor glass I have).  Don't even have any AFS lenses in the bag.  All my Nikkor glass is at least 16+ years old.
While I'm at it I'll recommend you pick up the "Nikon System Handbook" by Moose Peterson.  Great reference for Nikon gear.
Cheers.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on September 14, 2008, 12:34:45 pm



You might like to consider getting a 50 1.4 (1.8), a really well priced lens. The 1.4 is good for concerts



I'd like to take that back. After looking at the review below, I wouldn't recommend it. Hell if you have have to pay a premium for Nikon it should be right. No point in paying for a 1.4 when it begins to shine at f4.

http://www.nikoncafe.com/vforums/index.php


I agree with Johnnyb. although I wouldn't rule out Craigs lists local (or a local cam store), where you can meet and inspect the lens.

But I think you should have a fast 50. In addition to concerts, you may want to do nudes. I recommend you do them inside, if not call me.

Rags



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Headmanbrewing on September 14, 2008, 06:02:12 pm
If you are going to shoot nudes, inside or outside, let me know!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on September 14, 2008, 06:48:26 pm
KEH looks good but I have a far better alternative. An old friend of my family is the owner of Central Camera in Chicago http://www.centralcamera.com

I've recently begun working there part-time to help him out with his Ebay stuff so I get a pretty great deal on new or used stuff.
I do think I'm going to order one of the used 80-200 2.8 ED Nikon lenses from KEH, though. They look like some damned fine optics.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on September 14, 2008, 09:14:53 pm
Congrats on your new Nikon purchase, Fred.  :thumbsup:  Definitely look into nikonians.org for great Nikon info. So, what did you end up doing with your Canon stuff? Are you still getting the camera fixed?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on September 14, 2008, 10:00:19 pm

KEH looks good but I have a far better alternative. An old friend of my family is the owner of Central Camera in Chicago http://www.centralcamera.com

I've recently begun working there part-time to help him out with his Ebay stuff so I get a pretty great deal on new or used stuff.
I do think I'm going to order one of the used 80-200 2.8 ED Nikon lenses from KEH, though. They look like some damned fine optics.


Try the I Want to Sell Thread at Nikonians. Those users (as a whole) take better care, but I don't want to take anything away from KEH - they have a good rep and their ratings are good.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on September 14, 2008, 10:29:23 pm

Congrats on your new Nikon purchase, Fred.  :thumbsup:  Definitely look into nikonians.org for great Nikon info. So, what did you end up doing with your Canon stuff? Are you still getting the camera fixed?


Of course I'm getting it fixed. Its worth it to. Then I'll sell it as it will have a brand new shutter. I've already sold two of my Canon lenses and I dont anticipate the rest selling with any difficulty.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on September 14, 2008, 10:33:09 pm

I do think I'm going to order one of the used 80-200 2.8 ED Nikon lenses from KEH, though. They look like some damned fine optics.


I see that NAS (Nikon Acquisition Syndrome) is starting already.  :lol:  Soon to be followed by NLS (Nikon Liquidation Syndrome) to feed that nasty NAS habit.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on September 14, 2008, 10:43:22 pm



I see that NAS (Nikon Acquisition Syndrome) is starting already.  :lol:  Soon to be followed by NLS (Nikon Liquidation Syndrome) to feed that nasty NAS habit.

 :lol:

Actually, I have a much better idea of what optics I need this time around going by what I primarily used in my Canon inventory.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on September 29, 2008, 12:20:13 am
Using my new to me Canon 17-40MM. This area has been kinda slow lately.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/2889903179_cafb46b421.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/2890733682_cb85a4c1dc.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Pelagic on September 29, 2008, 07:00:25 pm
I have an old (film) Nikon that I've been shooting for many (many) years. Great pics and a little unwieldy for taking on rides, especially long rides/tours, but the cd I got back from the processor with my prints had a resolution that was way beyond anything available on even the best digital cameras.

Then a year ago when passing through Yellowstone NP I wanted to get some photos of a bear off the side of the road. After I had dismounted and peeled off my helmet and gloves and as I was unlocking the topbox to get my camera I realized my folly; besides just taking forever, if that bear got nasty all those other tourists were going to get into their cars and drive away and I was going to be bear-bait. (I don't have to be faster then the bear, I just have to be faster than you!)

That experience helped me distill the requirements for my slide to the dark side, buying a digital riding camera:
1   Accessibility was key. It needed to be compact enough to carry in a jacket pocket so I could take pictures while on tour without a making a big time commitment.
2   I wanted to be able to use it without taking my full-face helmet off.
3   A built-in flash was going to make it more flexible as we go into sites and buildings while out on tour.
4   An easy-to-use zoom function was important to be allow me to frame pictures as I do with my F3.
5   Most importantly it had to have sufficient resolution to allow me to do post-shutter editing without having to settle for a grainy photograph.
6   Resolution quality makes optical zoom preferable to digital zoom.
7   Being able to use it while wearing gloves was a bit of a fantasy but at least one gloved hand would be a huge benefit. I want to take the picture, I NEED to make photographs, but I'll never see the next one if I waste too much time taking this one!
8   It needed to have enough technological sophistication to be more than just a point-and-shoot. It needed to allow me to create my photographs much like my older Nikon always has.

I found all of this, and more in a Sony Cybershot, DSCT-xxxx. Key in this appellation seems to be the "T". These come with a touch-screen covering the entire back panel and NO little buttons or switches! This model also has a slide-bar on the front that doubles as an on-off switch and lens cover. I can run this camera WITHOUT TAKING MY GLOVES OFF!!!  

Mine came with 8.2mp, newer versions come with 10.1mp which provide awesome resolution for all my photos. And it has enough technology that I'm still discovering new features and techniques. It will automatically bracket photos, has the coolest "smile detector" where you press the shutter and it trips a picture every time it "sees" a smile! It will do mini-movies-with audio, and even play back your photos in a slide-show on that big back screen complete with "music"! Truly an amazing little machine. And it's only about the size of my cellphone!

From Amazon this unit runs $200-$300 bucks. With a 2GB chip (700+pics at even the highest resolution) and a gorilla-pod you're ready to go for under $300. For a compact touring unit I couldn't recommend this any higher.

PS And I am not associated with any of this on a level other than just being a very satisfied customer. :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on October 07, 2008, 08:55:57 am
Anybody needing a CF card Adorama is selling a SanDisk 8 GB Extreme III Compact Flash Memory Card $16.95 after rebate. They are stocked out but when they arrive they will ship it out and still honor the rebate if late.

http://www.adorama.com/IDSCFE38G30M.html?emailprice=t


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Ant on October 16, 2008, 02:42:03 pm
A couple of years ago I bought a Canon EOS 350D (errrr Digital Rebel XT I think it was called over there) with a bonus from work. Photography has been an interest for quite a while but I've never really had the time to actually get to grips with it (yeah I know, having time is a crap excuse - you should make time  :o) but I've decided to try and dedicate some proper time to getting a feel for what is going on with my camera and how all the various settings affect the outcome.

At the moment I just have the standard 18-55 glass that came with the camera and this is what I've been basically using as a fancy P&S :o. From the "I want a picture of x, y, z" point of view I would quite like to get a lens with a little bit of a longer focal length.
What sort of lenses should I be looking at that are a sensible price (I can't afford for this to become another expensive hobby.... not just yet anyway :lol:), will give me that extra zoom for when I'm "just" taking a picture but, more importantly, gives me the flexibility to "grow" in to the lens as I get used to setting up the camera for shots?
What I mean is that I don't want to buy something that works well for me as a zoom lens but I then realise is actually crap when I start to know what I'm doing in terms of arty shots.

Also, is there anything you guys can recommend for improving my understanding of the basic principles? Like most things I guess the answer is to practice, but it'd be good to know what I should be practicing, if that makes sense. Online guides are always good, I can search using Google myself but recommendations of which ones are actually any good are much better!  :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 16, 2008, 03:30:13 pm

Anybody needing a CF card Adorama is selling a SanDisk 8 GB Extreme III Compact Flash Memory Card $16.95 after rebate. They are stocked out but when they arrive they will ship it out and still honor the rebate if late.

http://www.adorama.com/IDSCFE38G30M.html?emailprice=t

This Sandisk Company is running a scam on these rebates. I bought a couple of Cards about 9 months ago and haven't received my rebate.

I'm about an inch away from bringing them to small claims court for like $150.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on October 16, 2008, 11:55:11 pm

What I mean is that I don't want to buy something that works well for me as a zoom lens but I then realise is actually crap when I start to know what I'm doing in terms of arty shots.

Also, is there anything you guys can recommend for improving my understanding of the basic principles? Like most things I guess the answer is to practice, but it'd be good to know what I should be practicing, if that makes sense. Online guides are always good, I can search using Google myself but recommendations of which ones are actually any good are much better!  :)


Ant, check out the POTN Canon forums here:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/
This has been the resource for me (I have a 350D also).

As for longer zoom lenses. Most of the inexpensive consumer ones are pretty crappy in many common conditions. You can check out the reviews and sample pics at POTN and elsewhere.

I'll tell you what I did when I got into it. I bought an inexpensive 100-300 Canon zoom, which is cheaper and gets slightly better reviews for sharpness and focus speed than the 70-300 versions. I knew that if I used it a lot I would probably outgrow it. But I wasn't sure at that point how much I would use that focal length (turns out... a lot!). So when I had the cash, I ended up selling it and buying a couple of Canon L zooms (70-200 and 400). This approached worked really well for me. If you had money burning a hole in your pocket I'd say skip the consumer zoom and get an L lens (maybe a 100-400 jack-of-all-trades). But it sounds like you are in the same boat that I was in when I picked up my inexpensive 100-300.

Oh, and make sure you have a decent tripod too, especially with a slow consumer-grade zoom.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 17, 2008, 01:17:50 am
I've been after a moonrise over city lights for months. I finally got it tonite:

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/395867551_5cde9-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on October 17, 2008, 01:33:40 am

I've been after a moonrise over city lights for months. I finally got it tonite:

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/395867551_5cde9-M.jpg)


That is freakin awesome.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on October 17, 2008, 07:59:06 am

I've been after a moonrise over city lights for months. I finally got it tonite:

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/395867551_5cde9-M.jpg)


Sweet photo torags.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on October 17, 2008, 08:05:44 am
Did my first photoshoot in a studio now I am a newbie at this but I don't think its too bad. I need to learn to better compose my subjects in the photo. But not bad for my first time I think.  :headscratch: resized for Web posting.

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/6517.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/6673.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/6767.jpg)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/6340.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Ant on October 17, 2008, 08:54:48 am

Ant, check out the POTN Canon forums here:
http://photography-on-the.net/forum/
This has been the resource for me (I have a 350D also).

As for longer zoom lenses. Most of the inexpensive consumer ones are pretty crappy in many common conditions. You can check out the reviews and sample pics at POTN and elsewhere.

I'll tell you what I did when I got into it. I bought an inexpensive 100-300 Canon zoom, which is cheaper and gets slightly better reviews for sharpness and focus speed than the 70-300 versions. I knew that if I used it a lot I would probably outgrow it. But I wasn't sure at that point how much I would use that focal length (turns out... a lot!). So when I had the cash, I ended up selling it and buying a couple of Canon L zooms (70-200 and 400). This approached worked really well for me. If you had money burning a hole in your pocket I'd say skip the consumer zoom and get an L lens (maybe a 100-400 jack-of-all-trades). But it sounds like you are in the same boat that I was in when I picked up my inexpensive 100-300.

Oh, and make sure you have a decent tripod too, especially with a slow consumer-grade zoom.


Thanks kurt! That is exactly the kind of advice I was after. Some reasonable quality glass that I won't out grow too quickly. I'll have a look around for the Canon 100-300 you mentioned. (I'll probably look at the L as well but I fear the prices will scare me off :lol:)

Cheers!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Ant on October 17, 2008, 09:04:32 am

I'll probably look at the L as well but I fear the prices will scare me off :lol:


They did :lol:
Although the non-IS version isn't completely obscene. I'll stick to a non-L first though, I don't have £400 lying around!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 17, 2008, 10:24:26 am
Hey Blackbird you're digging in...

Could I make a couple of constructive comments?

Most think lens are made for sharpness; not so. Nikon makes a soft center lens for portrait photogs. The lens softens facial blemishes and shadows. I think #2 might benefit from softness, my .02.

The effect of an overexposed background on #4 reminds me of some pros that use overexposure very effectively. Consider overexposing the entire pic except the face. I don't know how to do that but thunder7 might chime in.

 :D :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on October 17, 2008, 11:37:23 am
Yes please make constructive comments so I can learn from them. I was told for #4 from the instructor that is look they are going for now. I think the face is a little hot but the camera info didn't show it in the info at all. :headscratch: It could be maybe photobucket resizing it to 640/480??? I have no idea  :lol:  Thanks torags.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on October 17, 2008, 02:56:43 pm
CBRXX -

Very impressed!
Especially like the last one. Could be the cleavage...  :leghump:

Really nice stuff. It looks like the instruction is really paying off! I'd like to hear more about it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on October 18, 2008, 03:56:06 am

A couple of years ago I bought a Canon EOS 350D (errrr Digital Rebel XT I think it was called over there) with a bonus from work. Photography has been an interest for quite a while but I've never really had the time to actually get to grips with it (yeah I know, having time is a crap excuse - you should make time  :o) but I've decided to try and dedicate some proper time to getting a feel for what is going on with my camera and how all the various settings affect the outcome.

At the moment I just have the standard 18-55 glass that came with the camera and this is what I've been basically using as a fancy P&S :o. From the "I want a picture of x, y, z" point of view I would quite like to get a lens with a little bit of a longer focal length.
What sort of lenses should I be looking at that are a sensible price (I can't afford for this to become another expensive hobby.... not just yet anyway :lol:), will give me that extra zoom for when I'm "just" taking a picture but, more importantly, gives me the flexibility to "grow" in to the lens as I get used to setting up the camera for shots?
What I mean is that I don't want to buy something that works well for me as a zoom lens but I then realise is actually crap when I start to know what I'm doing in terms of arty shots.

Also, is there anything you guys can recommend for improving my understanding of the basic principles? Like most things I guess the answer is to practice, but it'd be good to know what I should be practicing, if that makes sense. Online guides are always good, I can search using Google myself but recommendations of which ones are actually any good are much better!  :)


I wouldn't recommend the 100-300 mm as the second lens for this camera.

I have a Rebel XTi, EOS-400D, very similar to what you have.  Your camera has a 1.6 crop factor.  This poses some interesting challenges for lens selection.  All Canon EF lenses are designed for 35 mm bodies with a 1.0 crop factor.  Canon makes special EF-S lenses specifically for 1.6 crop factor cameras.  Regardless of the lens designation (EF or EF-S), you have to multiply the focal length by 1.6 to get the 35 mm equivalent.  The 1.6 crop factor basically shifts all lenses toward more telephoto than the focal length would indicate.  Your 18-55 mm lens has an equivalent focal length of 29-88 mm.  The EF-S lenses stack up nicely in terms of focal length for your camera.  The EF lenses also work well but don't integrate as seamlessly, because every EF lens is going to sacrifice wide angle, and enhance telephoto range.

You have three choices in going to a longer focal length zoom lens.  One is to pick an EF-S lens that overlaps your current lens, but extends the telephoto range.  The logical choice is the EF-S 17-85 mm f/4-5.6 IS USM (27-136 mm equiv).  Overall this is a good quality lens for the money.  It introduces image stabilization (IS), which is extremely useful as it allows you to shoot at a slower shutter speed than normal without a tripod or high ISO.  This lens will work well for portraits at the 100-136 mm equivalent focal length.  The  advantage is that you can still walk around with one lens instead of two, and not have to change lenses.

Second is to pick an EF-S lens that is complementary to your existing lens.  There are two lenses that come to mind.  The 55-250 mm f/4-5.6 IS  matches your existing lens, leaving no gaps in focal length, and offers an extremely good zoom range (4.55x).  This lens also includes IS and is good value for money.  The other is the 18-200 mm f/3.5-5.6 IS.  This would make a good travel lens because of the large zoom range but the quality is not great.

Third is to pick an EF lens that is complementary to your existing range but introduces some gaps.  I really feel that you should explore L glass in this choice.  The 70-200 mm focal length is a real workhorse and works well even on a 1.6 crop factor.  Although I am a big fan of IS, the best deal here is the 70-200 mm f/4L USM.  It is half the price of the IS version.  There is a gap in focal length between 55 and 70 mm compared to your existing lens but you likely won't miss it.

Recognize that in the 100-300 mm lens you have a substantial gap between 55 mm and 100 mm.  100 mm is 160 mm equivalent, which is a fairly narrow lens and means that even at widest angle you will have to be well back from your subject or use very tight cropping.  Kurt may use his a lot, but for someone like yourself who is still not sure which way to go, you could find it very limiting.

Basically there are two ways to use a zoom lens.  One is to use it to crop, to save yourself from walking or taking much effort to move to frame the shot.  The second, and preferred way among purists, is to use it to select the focal length you want, and then position yourself to achieve the correct framing.  Wide angles tend to be bad for portraits, but are effective for landscapes or an effect where the foreground subject is much larger or "looms" against its background ("expansion").  When you see a landscape shot where the clouds seem to stretch forever, it was taken with a fairly wide angle lens.  Telephoto lenses are good for portraits as they minimize oversize facial features, and can also blur the background more easily, adding to their value as portrait lenses.  Telephotos can also be used for sports, wildlife, etc. and in landscape photos will minimize the foreground and make it appear small against background objects ("compression").  They are also useful for shooting architectural details on tall buildings.

For yourself, still getting your feet wet, maybe start off with the 17-85 mm.  If you don't mind changing lenses, go for the 55-250 mm.

In regards to learning more about photography, I recommend that you use a number of sources.  Check with your local camera store especially with regard to lens recommendations, join a local photo club, buy a book or two, take a photography course, and surf the net.  Take everything with a grain of salt.  Some knowledge of design is helpful in addition to the hard technical facts, for example the power of different geometric shapes in your composition.

I recommend the following sites for more information.  The first site is Canon-dedicated and has lens recommendations for different types of shooting.  The second one has lens reviews.

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/
http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/index.php



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on October 18, 2008, 10:40:04 am
Ah I haven't gone lens shopping for a while. I wasn't aware that they released some EF-S telezooms other than the 17-85. I have the 17-85 and its a pretty good lens for its range. I thought Ant was looking for longer focal lengths though.

Anyway, I would still suggest worrying more about image quality and zoom speed than being overly concerned about covering every possible focal length with overlap.... The nice thing about the 100-300 is it has great focus speed for sports compared to the 70-300/55-250s and slightly better IQ for the price with it's smaller zoom range. If you end up using the long end of the zoom all the time, then the 300mm is nice and you don't care as much if the short end overlaps another lens in your bag.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on October 18, 2008, 11:32:19 am

CBRXX -

Very impressed!
Especially like the last one. Could be the cleavage...  :leghump:

Really nice stuff. It looks like the instruction is really paying off! I'd like to hear more about it.


I have some other ones but I don't know if they would follow the rules on the board for posting  :cool:  


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on October 18, 2008, 12:26:00 pm

Ah I haven't gone lens shopping for a while. I wasn't aware that they released some EF-S telezooms other than the 17-85. I have the 17-85 and its a pretty good lens for its range. I thought Ant was looking for longer focal lengths though.

Anyway, I would still suggest worrying more about image quality and zoom speed than being overly concerned about covering every possible focal length with overlap.... The nice thing about the 100-300 is it has great focus speed for sports compared to the 70-300/55-250s and slightly better IQ for the price with it's smaller zoom range. If you end up using the long end of the zoom all the time, then the 300mm is nice and you don't care as much if the short end overlaps another lens in your bag.


It really depends what Ant wants to shoot.  If he isn't sure yet because he's just starting out, then I would recommend he stick with a general-purpose zoom with more reach than his current lens, like the 17-85, or the 55-250.  The 100-300 is not a general purpose zoom.  It is also an old design with noticeably poor performance at the telephoto end, so I couldn't support recommending it on an image quality basis either.  Anybody looking to cover that range today would be better advised to save up their pennies for the EF 70-300 mm lens.  I also think the IS feature is worth getting, especially on mid-price lenses with rather smallish f/4-5.6 maximum apertures, another reason why I recommend the 17-85 and 55-250.  Who wants to lug around a tripod all the time?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on October 18, 2008, 01:59:48 pm
Sure I won't argue with those point. But I will point out that it's hard to build a telezoom with good image quality at all focal lengths. You very much get what you pay for in this type of lens, especially. That's why I say either get something inexpensive and entry level to see how you will use it to educate your next purchase, or else really save you pennies and buy some quality glass. The middle-ground here is pretty disappointing in my experience.

From BH - since price is a deciding factor - UK pricing left as an exercise for the reader.
-----------
EF 75-300mm f/4.0-5.6 III $200
EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS $279 (not USM? seems quite cheap for an IS lens...)
EF 100-300mm f/4.5-5.6 USM $279
EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS Image Stabilizer USM $549
EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM $600

Look at the reviews and image samples and think about how you may want to use it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on October 18, 2008, 04:19:38 pm

Sure I won't argue with those point. But I will point out that it's hard to build a telezoom with good image quality at all focal lengths. You very much get what you pay for in this type of lens, especially. That's why I say either get something inexpensive and entry level to see how you will use it to educate your next purchase, or else really save you pennies and buy some quality glass. The middle-ground here is pretty disappointing in my experience.

From BH - since price is a deciding factor - UK pricing left as an exercise for the reader.
-----------
EF 75-300mm f/4.0-5.6 III $200
EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS $279 (not USM? seems quite cheap for an IS lens...)
EF 100-300mm f/4.5-5.6 USM $279
EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS Image Stabilizer USM $549
EF 70-200mm f/4.0L USM $600

Look at the reviews and image samples and think about how you may want to use it.


And I won't argue those points.  Start with something cheap, then step up to the L glass.  The 55-250 mm is a bit of an anomaly, it is pretty basic from what I understand yet has four-stop IS and decent image quality.  No USM, but reviews say it is pretty quiet anyway.  The front element rotates when focusing which makes using a polarizer difficult.  But otherwise it is good value for money.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Ant on October 18, 2008, 04:55:13 pm



I have some other ones but I don't know if they would follow the rules on the board for posting  :cool:  


There are always photo hosting sites and direct links ;)


doodah and kurt, thanks for your advice both of you. Price is definitely a deciding factor at this point, I am not against spending money on something but at this point in my photographic "career" I just can't justify spending several hundred pounds all at once for a kick ass lens.


That's why I say either get something inexpensive and entry level to see how you will use it to educate your next purchase, or else really save you pennies and buy some quality glass.


This is what I had been thinking really, I don't want something shockingly bad but then again I don't suppose there is anything out there that is that bad?
That EF 70-300 looks quite good and it isn't obscenely priced, it is just a bit more than I want to be spending at this point in time.

The EF-S 55-250 is around the price range I want to be looking at, so the same as the 100-300 etc. At the moment I'm not sure of what specific subjects I want to try, part of it is just the "laziness" aspect in every day photography. Being able to zoom in can make things quite a bit easier. I also see myself using a lens with a higher zoom for sport photography, cycle races etc

Other than the obvious difference in the shorter focal length, what would you say the key differences between the 55-250 IS and the 100-300 lens are? They're both the same speed, what does USM give you? Is it just the noise level of the auto-focus? The fact that the 55-250 has IS is pretty damn good and makes me lean slightly in that direction.

I'm going to do some reading around and see what reviews I can find about the older 100-300 and the EF-S 55-250. My initial instinct is that the EF-S might be a better way to go... This photography malarky is compicated ;) Looking forward to getting my teeth in to it though. Thanks again for your advice guys  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on October 18, 2008, 05:03:54 pm
Other than the obvious difference in the shorter focal length, what would you say the key differences between the 55-250 IS and the 100-300 lens are? They're both the same speed, what does USM give you? Is it just the noise level of the auto-focus? The fact that the 55-250 has IS is pretty damn good and makes me lean slightly in that direction.

The USM lenses focus quickly without rotating the front element. The non-USM are usually slower to focus in and lock focus and they rotate the front element as doodah said. I think the choice between those two is mostly IS vs focus speed. Tough one.

Try them both in a camera store if you can. Try focusing on moving cars on the street outside... things like that. See how the IS works handholding at long focal lengths.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jules on October 18, 2008, 06:40:27 pm
Ant, I have the 55-250 IS as one of the two kit lenses on a EOS450D (XSI) and I am really pleased with it. The caveat is that I am new to SLR photography, however, more expensive lenses are out of the question at this stage of my learning.

Some samples below

(http://tarsnakes.smugmug.com/photos/388282057_RvLmM-X2.jpg)

(http://tarsnakes.smugmug.com/photos/391573196_BGn5K-XL.jpg)

Cheers

Jules.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on October 18, 2008, 07:25:45 pm
Those sure look great to me!  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on October 18, 2008, 10:02:34 pm
Well...

After a host of digital cameras with decent optics, I finally got a chance to get friendly with a friend's Nikon D60 SLR.  I realized right then that I needed to go for a DSLR.

I got a decent deal on a D80 and was pretty darned happy.  Until I dropped it a few days ago.  Thank goodness for the warranty/damage coverage policy!

I got the opportunity to replace it with a D90 for no extra money.

I've found that over the last 24 hours of ownership that the camera's algorithms are totally different.  To the point where I'm not sure I'm really diggin' the 'superior' camera.

The video function is amazing.  The speed and feel are, well, mind-blowing.  The camera has a ton of features (maybe too many for the shooter at my level).  The IS is nice; something I didn't have on the D80.

I'm thinking about actually going back to the D80, but don't want to do so just because I'm familiar with it and I'm comfortable with it; clearly that'll happen in time with the D90.  The real issue I'm having is that the images are a bit softer than I'd care for, and they tend to be, well, washed-out.  I can't seem to get it to warm up, and I think it's just the 'program' this thing is running.  

Anyone else here have any experience with this camera?  Any brains to pick?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Ant on October 19, 2008, 04:15:21 am

Try them both in a camera store if you can. Try focusing on moving cars on the street outside... things like that. See how the IS works handholding at long focal lengths.


A shop  :headscratch: You mean one of those buildings with brick walls and sales staff and where you talk to people rather than click links!?! Crazy talk ;) I'll do that  :thumbsup:


Ant, I have the 55-250 IS as one of the two kit lenses on a EOS450D (XSI) and I am really pleased with it. The caveat is that I am new to SLR photography, however, more expensive lenses are out of the question at this stage of my learning.

Some samples below
(http://tarsnakes.smugmug.com/photos/388282057_RvLmM-X2.jpg)


That is a great shot, that is the sort of thing I can see myself experimenting with as well as the longer range stuff. I'm starting to think that the IS is going to be the more useful feature for me, there have only been one or two occasions where I have found the kit 18-55 lens to be "slow" so it hasn't bothered me too much so far. Hopefully I won't live to regret that decision! Although by then I will ideally have a better idea of what exactly it is that I want and can make more educated decisions.

Now I just need to go and rob a bank ;) Excuse me while I find my ski mask.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on October 19, 2008, 02:56:23 pm

I'm starting to think that the IS is going to be the more useful feature for me, there have only been one or two occasions where I have found the kit 18-55 lens to be "slow" so it hasn't bothered me too much so far.


The longer the focal length, the faster the shutter speed you need to use to avoid camera shake.  That is why IS is such a valuable feature on telephoto lenses.  A rough rule of thumb is to take the reciprocal of the focal length, multiplied by crop factor, and use that as the slowest shutter speed you can use to avoid blur.  For example, with your 18-55 zoomed in, you would need to shoot at roughly 1/(55*1.6) = 1/88 of a second (round up to 1/100) to avoid blur due to camera shake.  If you have really steady hands you can probably shoot at 1/80, maybe even 1/60,  without (much) blur, so you probably haven't noticed a real need for IS.

However, now consider a 250 mm focal length.  Now any shutter speed slower than 1/(250*1.6) = 1/400 s puts you at risk of blur due to camera shake.  With a f/5.6 maximum aperture at that focal length, you are relegated to shooting in cloudy-bright light outdoors at ISO 100.  Heavy overcast would force you to switch to ISO 200.  Forget any type of indoor shooting.  The situation gets worse if you have to shoot stopped down to keep everything in focus.  You are relegated to carrying a tripod with you much of the time.  However, at the same focal length with a four-stop IS, you could shoot at up to 16 times slower shutter speed without camera shake, or 1/25 second, which is pretty amazing when you think about it.  This would allow you to shoot in much lower-light situations without cranking up the ISO or using a tripod.

IS won't help freezing action, where you need to use a fast shutter speed.  To shoot sports, especially indoor or any venue where you are not in bright sun, you need a very fast lens, at least f/2.8 if not faster.  So any of the budget telephoto lenses mentioned in this thread are not going to be great low-light sports lenses.

Nice photos, Jules.  The bokeh on that lens is much better than I would have thought for the price.  Perhaps we have a winner for Ant! (the 55-250 mm IS).


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 19, 2008, 07:32:05 pm
Went to Laguna Seca yesterday to see the Petite LeMans. My first experience with my Siggy 300 f2.8 and the noise resolution of a D700. This race runs into dark, the ultimate test: Fast moving subjects in the dark. Here are a few:

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/397749720_FZWb5-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/397750368_PAaBr-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/397748016_qVZXA-M.jpg)


Title: Re: Nikon DSLRs
Post by: Avigar on October 21, 2008, 06:09:34 pm
Question for the regular contributors that are using Nikon DSLRs: What model is your DSLR? Are you happy with it's low light performance, especially if you have to shoot without the flash indoors or at night? Do you stay with Auto ISO most often or do you like to set your own? I'm contemplating on whether to go to a D90 or D300. I can't seem to justify going full frame yet (D700), even though I have Nikkor FX lenses. I've also read that the D90 has slightly better ISO performance.


Title: Re: Nikon DSLRs
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on October 21, 2008, 06:41:43 pm

Question for the regular contributors that are using Nikon DSLRs: What model is your DSLR? Are you happy with it's low light performance, especially if you have to shoot without the flash indoors or at night? Do you stay with Auto ISO most often or do you like to set your own? I'm contemplating on whether to go to a D90 or D300. I can't seem to justify going full frame yet (D700), even though I have Nikkor FX lenses. I've also read that the D90 has slightly better ISO performance.


My D80 has given me superior images to my D90 thus far in both manual and auto.  If you don't need all the bells and whistles, it may actually behoove you to consider the D60 (because it is also a 10.2mp CCD like the D80) dual-lens combo (for $999) which includes a VR lens.  There is quite a bit of crossover between the D300 and the D90, but the photo comparos I've seen on the low light stuff show the D300 is clearly better.  My D80 didn't give quite the detail the D90 does, but it was also a LOT smoother and cleaner looking than the D90.  I may have a dud, but so far the D80 has met my needs/expectations much better than my D90 does.

If you want pro-sumer toward pro, go with the D300.  If you want a really, really good camera that has nice glass and will meet everything less than pro-level shooting, the D60 on up will fit the bill easily and for a good bit less money; enough to buy another lens and a SP800 flash and a bunch of memory.

So, depends on what you want to do with it.

My D80 (consider that these have been resized on photobucket):
(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/2007JulLakeManawaNight034.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/2007JulLakeManawaNight023.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/2007JulLakeManawaNight030.jpg)

Click around in here for some varied D80 images.  Very few have been retouched, and a great many are in pure auto mode (especially out on the water): http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 21, 2008, 07:27:44 pm
It seems to me that my D70S gave me less noisy pix than my D200. The D300 has the new noise mitigation sensor; a step away from the D3 & D700 (which share the same sensor).

If I didn't need the frames per second of the D200 I would be selling that; instead of my D70S.

Crazy reason I like the D70S: It has an auto selection on the mode dial. It seems to me it makes a better travel cam, because you can hand it to someone near you & ask them to take your picture (just press the button, thanks). It sure helped me in learning.

I'm going get the D300 (as a 2nd cam) after I catch my breath of the purchase of the d700.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on October 21, 2008, 10:10:06 pm
MMMMmmmmokay...  I think I'm starting to come to terms with my D90.

All the outdoor photos were taken without flash, at the very bottom end of the ISO range (down to 30") and F3.5ish.

I didn't work too hard to get a good focus; I'm actually surprised that it was as good as it was...  Photos taken at 10pm and there are very few streetlamps in our neighborhood; those that do exist are low and not terribly bright (quaint).  The nearest light was a 60W next door.  There were five more 60W lamps burning across the street, about 25 yards away; three of which were on the home that is photographed in addition to mine (with the black truck).

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/0e839a56.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/1c2fedce.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/5d05a901.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/74b8353e.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/b180d9a9.jpg)

These were taken at the very top of the range between 1-4K

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/71531604.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/ac461f1a.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/ad015e3b.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/e781891e.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/7a60327b.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/9d75e9c8.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/310f14b8.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on October 22, 2008, 02:42:39 am
I stopped by the local "Big Box" and got a first hand look at the D700. Now I'm having second thoughts about my initial choices. Wow...that there is one nice camera!  :inlove:  Torags, how do you like your D700 so far? Have you had it long? Any regrets, other than the cost?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 22, 2008, 10:42:14 am
Hey Johnny that D90 is handling the noise pretty good. Was #1 the 30 sec exposure handheld?

Avigar I'm getting used to it. Those night shots were with the D700. I'm "pretty " satisfied so far but the jury is still out for me. I have been testing it & my Siggy 300 f2.8 at the same time. These are some of my views that might help you (I don't know what you like to shot)

1. Auto ISO. For night still shots like the moon 6400 is extremely grainy & unacceptable. There is no substitute for low iso and longer exposure.
2. Optional DX vs FX mode. FX is wider and that mode may "clip" some corners on some lenses that work with well with DX. But you have a DX in cam crop (as seen in view finder) that can take care of that, but it reduces the image size to 5mp. So if you crop drastically you can wind up with an avitar. You can crop in PP for a larger image.
3. I was pleased with the low light performance of the night shots I posted, I ran about iso1000 - 3200 on some pretty fast shutter speeds. Interestingly, the fog began to roll in and I got some fog crystals in some of the headlights that looked like noise.
4. I like the ergos of the cam, the articulation helps when carrying a heavy lens.

If you intend shooting motorsports, it is not the best choice. It's cons are 4 fps and its reach is limited by the FX sensor. for that use I would go for the D300 higher fps, 1.5 DX which gives 450mm on a 300mm lens. The D300 also has good low light performance and smaller mp files.

If you shoot more landscapes/portraits the D700 is better. Wider than DX and I have seen some remarkable images of iso 6400 with slower shutter speeds.

I'll give the D700 a workout at the Baja1000 in Nov. That venue allows you to get closer and I can clean my sensor without opening it.

Hope that helps

Rags





Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on October 22, 2008, 12:18:33 pm

Hey Johnny that D90 is handling the noise pretty good. Was #1 the 30 sec exposure handheld?



All the night photos were on tripod, the lightbulb pics were handheld.  I was standing clearly outside the range of the AF illumination, but wanted to see what it would do.  I did find that for some shots, the camera thinks it is smarter than you are and won't let you take a shot if you're in AF and it doesn't get a good enough resolution.

On that note, I have a question that you might be able to answer:  Say I take a laster pointer (like a hanging tool with crosshatch for horiz/vert) and use it to augment the camera's focus; would that work?  It'd certaily increase your distance capabilities while still using AF.  I've found that the AF function is almost always better than my version of 'focus'.  It isn't something I'd want to use except in special low-light, still photos.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 22, 2008, 01:08:09 pm
I don't know about the laser. But I do know the more crap I have to carry/adjust the more mistakes I make.

My problems with AF have been contrast related, low contrast= hunt.

On a tripod I override the af with manual a lot on landscape. I'm not competent with the multi focus points the new Nikon have. I tried the 51 points at the track and the focus box was jumping all over the view finder - drove me nuts - disabled it.

Do you have a in cam sensor cleaner with the D90? I would hope so. Movees at 30fps can build a strong magnetic field to attract dust.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on October 22, 2008, 01:58:34 pm

Hey Johnny that D90 is handling the noise pretty good. Was #1 the 30 sec exposure handheld?

Avigar I'm getting used to it. Those night shots were with the D700. I'm "pretty " satisfied so far but the jury is still out for me. I have been testing it & my Siggy 300 f2.8 at the same time. These are some of my views that might help you (I don't know what you like to shot)

1. Auto ISO. For night still shots like the moon 6400 is extremely grainy & unacceptable. There is no substitute for low iso and longer exposure.
2. Optional DX vs FX mode. FX is wider and that mode may "clip" some corners on some lenses that work with well with DX. But you have a DX in cam crop (as seen in view finder) that can take care of that, but it reduces the image size to 5mp. So if you crop drastically you can wind up with an avitar. You can crop in PP for a larger image.
3. I was pleased with the low light performance of the night shots I posted, I ran about iso1000 - 3200 on some pretty fast shutter speeds. Interestingly, the fog began to roll in and I got some fog crystals in some of the headlights that looked like noise.
4. I like the ergos of the cam, the articulation helps when carrying a heavy lens.

If you intend shooting motorsports, it is not the best choice. It's cons are 4 fps and its reach is limited by the FX sensor. for that use I would go for the D300 higher fps, 1.5 DX which gives 450mm on a 300mm lens. The D300 also has good low light performance and smaller mp files.

If you shoot more landscapes/portraits the D700 is better. Wider than DX and I have seen some remarkable images of iso 6400 with slower shutter speeds.

I'll give the D700 a workout at the Baja1000 in Nov. That venue allows you to get closer and I can clean my sensor without opening it.

Hope that helps

Rags



I tend to shoot more indoors or at night time when I attend the kid's school functions such as sports, plays, choir, etc. I do the occassional macro and landscape as well. Based on my high ISO needs, I was thinking that the D700 may suit me better.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 22, 2008, 03:20:46 pm
It will.
Watch your lens choices for close 'n wide.

Probably good to get their kit. I got the best price for my body at Sigma4less. They are not highly rated at resellers.com but I spoke to them over the phone and felt comfortable. The transaction was good.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on October 22, 2008, 06:24:41 pm
I looked at sigma4less which shows the D700 body at $2719.95. I found the same at Cameta's for $2569 and Abes for $2614.15 ($80.85 Abes promo discount applied). Very tempting indeed.  :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 22, 2008, 07:38:55 pm
Hmmmmmm I paid less (as I remember)

There is a rebate program thru MSN. They want you to use MSN  for "eyes" power. they have cooperating retailers and the discounts listed. Adorama was one when I was in the market; It was 15% when I first looked, then 6% when I wanted to pull the trigger. Maybe that figured into Sigma4less


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 23, 2008, 08:16:22 pm
Look here for D700 price

Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-D700-12-1MP-Digital-Body/dp/B001BTCSI6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1224792682&sr=8-1


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on October 23, 2008, 11:10:06 pm
What the hey???  :eek:  Are they already starting to discount the model heavily?  :headscratch: It wasn't that low a couple days ago at Amazon. I think they were at $2799. I just did a Pricegrabber search and it shows Crutchfield selling it for $2499.99 with free shipping.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 23, 2008, 11:32:48 pm
Maybe they want to clean house for the holidays. I know Amazon has projected slower sales.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on October 24, 2008, 12:14:16 am
Yeah, you're probably right. Even the D300 body has gone down in price as well.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on October 24, 2008, 08:09:19 am
I hope the prices really go down in the next month or so. :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on October 24, 2008, 10:26:31 pm
D90, no more.  I played with the 'superior' camera for as long as possible before finally deciding that it simply didn't give the image quality that the D80 did.  I even took it to a professional photographer for further evaluation, quite ready to believe it was me.  It wasn't.

There's absolutely no doubt that the D90 is a better instrument; it is faster, cleaner, laid out better, and just feels more precise.  It is easily the most refined instrument you'll find at the local BestBuy/Circuit City, etc.  It is an absolute marvel in that regard.  Where it fails, I think, is where it really counts; image quality.

It seems to deliver a very crisp, but oddly, mildly out of focus image with very, very low color saturation.  As a result, the colors are not smooth.

I may regret the decision later, but I'm not convinced it is a firmware issue.  I think it is simply a poor mating of a lot of really good technology.

My D80 is slower frame-to-frame but still very quick to AF.  It is also a touch 'looser' feeling, but still heads and shoulders above any of the lower models and any digital SLR Canon I've touched.  The optics are superb for a stock 'comes with the body' camera.

After snapping a few more photos on my new D80 I'm very, very happy to have it back.  It's just a much more intuitive camera; I could hand it to anyone and they'd get a fantastic photo with no post editing required; I cannot say that for the D90 at all.  While I do think the D90 could get similarly pleasing images, it would take quite a bit more post-photo editing, or a much greater application of manual control to accomplish.  

I'm convinced that the D80 quite possibly represents the ultimate step between a point-n-shoot and a professional camera.  In auto, I can hand this camera to anyone and get professional images.  The colors are punchy without being unnatural; in fact, they are a very good representation of what you're actually seeing.  This camera is also utterly controllable for very artistic shots.  Add a flash and you have an incredibly flexible camera capable of some amazing shots for a very reasonable price.

I initially paid $1299 for my camera with another $289 for the flash.  Now, you can buy the D90 for $1299 and my D80 has been reduced to $899, which makes another lens or an external flash easily within the reach of most anyone who's serious about taking good photos.  And, while it is bigger than a little point and shoot, I've discovered that I'll gladly make room for it.  The photos I want to take are of things that I really want to keep.  I just don't see the point of taking a photo of something you want to remember only to sacrifice the quality to a point where you actually notice it, or worse, have to explain to folks viewing it that 'this is supposed to be like this, not like you see in the photo'.

The D80 reminds me of older tube amplifiers by comparison to the D90 which would be like a solid state unit full of technology.  While the D90 is going to offer some amazing capabilities (to include HD video, which even I have to admit is incredible), however that older tube amplifier makes gorgeous music that has a quality that you can't really quantify but can immediately identify.  The D80 simply takes gorgeous photos.  At the end of the day I realized I could either have a really sexy spec. sheet, or I could have really gorgeous photos.  Since I got a camera like this to take really gorgeous photos, I opted to step back into my D80.  I'm convinced I made a good choice, at least for me and my photographic needs.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 24, 2008, 11:14:27 pm
Jeeze.... that's a god damn level headed way of looking at it.......  

Good luck with it...        :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on October 24, 2008, 11:33:45 pm
This is as similar as I could get comparing the D90 to the D80.  Tonight I had a LOT less light than I did with the D90's night out.  I think this actually speaks extremely highly of the D80.  As with the D90, I had to turn off the AF to take the shots, and did not initially focus manually except for the shot of the sole light I had for these photos.

Here's what we have:

I'm at 30" and a F3.5 for all of these shots.  On the first one, I forgot to shut my integrated flash and it fired.  

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/81f88107.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/e6544837.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/3df8d466.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/099c630e.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/e5e174d0.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on October 24, 2008, 11:52:06 pm
Bulb photos; 4000 with a max of F5.6

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/033457f5.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/9a4a02ea.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/9a968105.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/42b3cab1.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/65fa05e1.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Night%20Pics/b11d9ff2.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on October 25, 2008, 01:23:14 am
Thanks for making the effort to compare images between the two models. I agree that newer is not necessarily better in some aspects. My D80 is definitely worth holding on to. I've always loved this camera from the moment I bought it two years ago. No matter which model I eventually end up with, the D80 will always have a place and purpose within my assorted collection of cameras.  :bigok:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on October 25, 2008, 01:53:07 am

It seems to deliver a very crisp, but oddly, mildly out of focus image with very, very low color saturation.  


Is that even after playing with the Picture Controls menu?  There is a Vivid preset or you can bump the saturation up by itself.  Images will be slightly soft with default settings but you can sharpen the images in-camera or in post-processing.

From what I've read the D90 actually has quite good color reproduction whereas earlier Nikon SLRs (D60, and D80 to a lesser extent) were "over the top" in terms of saturation, but it sounds like you prefer your images that way.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D90/D90IMAGING.HTM


Title: Re: Nikon DSLRs
Post by: Thunder7 on October 25, 2008, 05:11:59 am

Question for the regular contributors that are using Nikon DSLRs: What model is your DSLR? Are you happy with it's low light performance, especially if you have to shoot without the flash indoors or at night? Do you stay with Auto ISO most often or do you like to set your own? I'm contemplating on whether to go to a D90 or D300. I can't seem to justify going full frame yet (D700), even though I have Nikkor FX lenses. I've also read that the D90 has slightly better ISO performance.


Sorry I'm a little late on this one- I've been busy as hell. First off- Auto ISO sucks in just about every way. I couldn't imagine using it, ever. I change it according to the requirements of the situation. Generally the camera will almost always choose a too high ISO, which of course can result in all kinds of noise and such. Even with my D300 I wont do it.




Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on October 25, 2008, 05:28:10 am
Its funny- Its taking an extraordinarily long time for me to get used to my D300. The only problem is the biological interface,  NOT the camera. As we now have access to all kinds of reports, experts of the self professed variety and otherwise we have become super-critical of things that we (sometimes) never would have noticed if it was film.

I've had to go back and look at the RAW files from my 30D in order to realize that I've been getting EXACTLY what I'm looking for from my D300. I was under the impression for the past month or so of ownership that my images were strangely soft but it turned out that the softness was in my head, so to speak.

Other concerns were alleviated by simply turning off the VR function on two my lenses. Like many of us, I grew up using the old fashioned VR- Hold the camera steady, or use a bloody tripod! ;) Granted, VR/IS is a great idea in many applications but for some it becomes an unnecessary crutch. It can also introduce a whole new set of issues regarding image quality as many of you already know.

I'm not disagreeing with anybody here about the imaging capabilities/shortcomings/whatever about whichever camera du jour, but I will say that HD video (Like that on the D90 and/or Canon 5Dmk II) is nothing more than a tactic to get more consumers to buy more expensive cameras. The D90 would have little reason to exist otherwise- It would only be a lowbrow D300. (IMO, of course)

I've been so busy I really haven't had time to go through my recent images and post but I will soon.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on October 25, 2008, 08:50:26 am



Is that even after playing with the Picture Controls menu?  There is a Vivid preset or you can bump the saturation up by itself.  Images will be slightly soft with default settings but you can sharpen the images in-camera or in post-processing.

From what I've read the D90 actually has quite good color reproduction whereas earlier Nikon SLRs (D60, and D80 to a lesser extent) were "over the top" in terms of saturation, but it sounds like you prefer your images that way.

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/D90/D90IMAGING.HTM



I spent a great deal of time in those menus; to the point where the family was finally getting pissed at me because of the constant bombardment of photos and my complete immersion in the camera for a week solid.

I don't doubt, at all, that I have a preference for a partiular mix of color, crispness, and smoothness in a photo.  When I was playing with the lower than D80 models I also felt that the colors were artificial (as if picked off a wheel-of-fortune wheel instead off of a graded spectrum).  The D80 jumped into such smooth and accurate color blending, with what seems to be just about the perfect mix of smoothness and crispness.

The edges of everything on the D80 area always crisp and sharp, but the colors are very smooth and even; there's no pixelation as the colors diverge.  It just seems that the D90 almost saw color divergence and tried to 'crisp' that up, while leaving edge rendering smooth; like it was confused about what the primary job was supposed to be.  Here's a good example (your monitors my vary though...).

Here are just random shots from the D80.  Note the smooth color rendering, nice shadow detail, and good color range.  The subjects are all very crisp and defined but never choppy.

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/family/cfc97f5a.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/family/9518d392.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/family/2882b2cf.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/family/52f0cee6.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/family/54cdcc0f.jpg)

Now here's the D90 in the same settings.  Granted, totally different setting, but still a lot of the same elements.  Note the choppy color rendering and hit-and-miss edge rendering; I just couldn't shake the old pics that I have from my sub 1mp Sony Mavica that would do the same thing.

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/family/717b925a.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/family/181f4567.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/family/1fa1e59d.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/family/4710b878.jpg)
 


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on October 25, 2008, 12:50:56 pm



I spent a great deal of time in those menus; to the point where the family was finally getting pissed at me because of the constant bombardment of photos and my complete immersion in the camera for a week solid.

I don't doubt, at all, that I have a preference for a partiular mix of color, crispness, and smoothness in a photo.  When I was playing with the lower than D80 models I also felt that the colors were artificial (as if picked off a wheel-of-fortune wheel instead off of a graded spectrum).  The D80 jumped into such smooth and accurate color blending, with what seems to be just about the perfect mix of smoothness and crispness.

The edges of everything on the D80 area always crisp and sharp, but the colors are very smooth and even; there's no pixelation as the colors diverge.  It just seems that the D90 almost saw color divergence and tried to 'crisp' that up, while leaving edge rendering smooth; like it was confused about what the primary job was supposed to be.  Here's a good example (your monitors my vary though...).

Here are just random shots from the D80.  Note the smooth color rendering, nice shadow detail, and good color range.  The subjects are all very crisp and defined but never choppy.


Now here's the D90 in the same settings.  Granted, totally different setting, but still a lot of the same elements.  Note the choppy color rendering and hit-and-miss edge rendering; I just couldn't shake the old pics that I have from my sub 1mp Sony Mavica that would do the same thing.




The D80 pictures do seem to look a little better than the D90, but it's hard to really tell what exactly is going on since they were resized to 1024 x 680 and they pixellate pretty early when zooming in.  I would like to see the full-res versions.  Was the same lens used for all pictures?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on October 25, 2008, 02:41:26 pm



The D80 pictures do seem to look a little better than the D90, but it's hard to really tell what exactly is going on since they were resized to 1024 x 680 and they pixellate pretty early when zooming in.  I would like to see the full-res versions.  Was the same lens used for all pictures?


I agree that resizing is an issue, but it should affect both equally; both uploaded to photobucket at 1meg.  Still, they had the same issues full sized; in fact, the D90's shortcomings compared to the D80 were even more pronounced (like soft edging, hard color pixelation, and horrible noise in black, even in daylight).

When I took the D90 back I swapped to a brand new, stock, D80 lens.  Same issues.  Took back to back photos of the same areas using a D80 and D90 from the same spot with same settings.  The D80 produced exactly the same results that I'd experienced, and the D90 on display, and another one fresh out of the box, produced exactly the same 'flaws'.  So, that ruled out lens or individual camera issues.  Trust me when I say that I was REALLY hoping that the D90 I'd gotten was just an odd-duck.  Something is going on with that camera that doesn't make any sense.  It should have been close to the photographic equavelent of the Second Coming, but it just wasn't.

All I know is that the D80 has proven itself time and again.  I've put it through some really tough paces and it continues to deliver amazing photos.  This D90 experience has only left me wanting for a faster burst time (while the 4.5fps may be slow for a pro camera, it is absolutely blistering for anything below that level).  In fact, I think that very issue may well be the camera's undoing.  If it is trying to process photos that quickly, there is a chance that they're overdriving the electronics to do so, which would compromise data intetrity (especially concerning saturation since that's dependent on exposure lengths).  But, that's just a WAG.

HOWEVER:

I still maintain that the D90 is an amazing camera, and still heads and shoulders above the other units I looked at by any other brand except for the D80.  Even yet, the D90 DOES have advantages that the D80 will never meet.  That high def video is great; and it really does look great.  In fact, it gives better image quality than the still mode does!  The burst speed is amazing; in fact, you have two speed options to slow down a bit; you can load a memory card in a HURRY at full speed.  While I don't think the image quality is great for artistic use, I do think it is a very good representation from an accuracy point of view; I've often accused Canon of this very thing.  The camera is rock solid with the most precise and quality feel I've ever seen in a camera at this pricepoint (and a good bit higher).  The optics are very good by any measure.  It gives you a LOT of control; stuff that most users like myself hadn't even dreamt of.  That's interesteng, and I'd like to have played around more with it, but just out of curiosity rather than to try to learn it to get good photos from.

The D90 is a strange duck. It seems to want a pro at the controls to manage ISO blowout; when you leave it in auto it just overexposes everything, which does nothing for the already weak color reproduction (which is also again weak in auto mode).  An experienced hobbyist will probably like it, but I doubt they'd get a photo better than a D80 can offer regardless of settings, and even then, you'd have to spend a lot more time and pay a lot more attention to manual settings to achieve that goal.  In which case, the non-pro would likely be much happier with the D80 or lower.  The pro is likely to be frustrated by the D90's shortcomings vs a more solid entry into the prosumer category like the D300, where it is clearly bested.  

It is odd, though, looking over the camera reviews, how much closer the images from the D80 are to the D300 than the D90 is.  In fact, the D90 seems to be a departure on many levels from Nikon's standards on what makes a good photo.  Perhaps that's to draw in the folks who prefer Canon processing methods; in which case, they've probably got a winner on their hands.  I would think that for how popular and well praised the D80 became that they'd be missing the mark for folks like me who'd expect something that takes the images from the D80 and moves them closer to the D300 concerning clarity and image size.

Still, I'm not a pro, and I'm equally positive that cameras produce images that are every bit as subjective as flavors of ice cream are to people.  I was fortunate enough to find a camera with great glass that gave me an image that I find truly pleasing.  That it does so for a very modest fee, given its peers and quality level, is just icing on the cake.  Others may hate it and find that the colors are far too intense or that the images are too smooth.  I could certainly see that as well, especially for very specific types of photography.  Since I do a lot of landscape work and some portrait work in more candid settings, the D80 is phenomenal.  It isn't a camera I'd get if I were doing pro sports photography though due to slower burst speed.  For me, the burst is important in so much as I have several similar photos to choose a good one from, without having to get three photos of an eye blinking.  So the burst speed on the D80 works fine at my level.  Sure, faster would be nicer, but there's really no need for it, and, I must say, the speed of the D80's burst is nothing to sneeze at for a camera like this 3.5fps if I recall correctly.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on October 26, 2008, 09:16:17 pm
I must admit to missing the faster burst speed of the D90 as I took these pics, but I'm still much happier with the better images.  These were taken in the same area, at similar time of day.  Similar colors.  The camera is in full auto, just like the D90 was (for those pics anyway).  

The D80 simply does a MUCH better job of sorting subjects and it seems to 'understand' how to make objects clear and crisp while smoothing everything to a really nice image.  Your opinion may vary, of course.

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/family/04c4efb3.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/family/44dfdb52.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/family/595f7d81.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/family/a1135da0.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/family/d8ead759.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on October 29, 2008, 08:19:28 pm
I forgot I had this series... During the forest fire period this past spring (sunrise)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/405379653_tBubV-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on November 08, 2008, 12:17:23 pm
Heres one from a shoot I did last month I am just getting around to looking at all 582 photos I took LOL A little soft I think but I love black and whites, I really like my new 8 gb cf card  :D

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/bw3.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on November 08, 2008, 12:59:04 pm
Nice.

I think soft is preferred on portraits. It treats blemishes kindly. My cam has a soft setting in the preference menu.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Scoop on November 10, 2008, 02:19:11 pm
This has already been covered, I am sure.  But, in looking for places to buy a camera, are there some to avoid specifically?  Anyone hear of, or deal with , 1WayPhoto.com?  They seem to have some pretty amazing prices compared to anywhere else.  Bad choice??


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on November 10, 2008, 03:14:21 pm
There are the Boys from Brooklyn. Most hustle you. Before buying check out Reseller.com for reviews.

some of what they do is: Advertise the body at a low price, then they break open the box and sell you the accessories of the manufacturer package separately which gets them a higher price than good retailers.

You usually order/pay online. then you get an email to verify some bullshit. during the course of verification they upsell you. If you don't buy they won't ship.

Also be careful of US versus Euro cams (Gray market) . Nikon won't repair a gray market cam period.

good luck

Rags

Others will post some of the retailers they recommend.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on November 10, 2008, 03:18:47 pm
I've been happy with http://www.bhphotovideo.com/. No BS.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Scoop on November 10, 2008, 03:30:50 pm

There are the Boys from Brooklyn. Most hustle you. Before buying check out Reseller.com for reviews.

some of what they do is: Advertise the body at a low price, then they break open the box and sell you the accessories of the manufacturer package separately which gets them a higher price than good retailers.

You usually order/pay online. then you get an email to verify some bullshit. during the course of verification they upsell you. If you don't buy they won't ship.

Also be careful of US versus Euro cams (Gray market) . Nikon won't repair a gray market cam period.

good luck

Rags

Others will post some of the retailers they recommend.


OK, forgive my ignorance, but www.reseller.com doesn't make intuitive sense to me.  What am I looking for there to find ratings of retailers?  Or did I not do it right?
Thanks for the info on 1Way.  It seemed too good.  Prices were half of what I am seeing elsewhere.
Bill


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: vitaminC on November 10, 2008, 05:39:18 pm

  It seemed too good.  


That should set your inner alarm off immediately!

The simplest route is to google the co of interest. In this case, you'll find all you need to know in the top few links that come back from the search.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on November 10, 2008, 10:28:46 pm
http://www.centralcamera.com

Shameless self promotion to a point. I work there but am not on commission. Competitive pricing, owned by the same family for 110 years.

I've been going there since childhood, been working there since July.

The website doesn't list everything but a simple email inquiry will be answered promptly and with the correct info. No grey market, no bullshit.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on November 10, 2008, 11:18:03 pm

http://www.centralcamera.com

Shameless self promotion to a point. I work there but am not on commission. Competitive pricing, owned by the same family for 110 years.

I've been going there since childhood, been working there since July.

The website doesn't list everything but a simple email inquiry will be answered promptly and with the correct info. No grey market, no bullshit.



Not to be confused with CentralDigital.com.

Where I purchased a D300 a couple of weeks ago and got an email for the call. They didn't try to sell me any more merchandise but when I asked if it was gray market the tel guy said yes. I said cancel, he did & emailed me the cancel no problem. I'm grateful I didn't get it but it should have been labeled so, somewhere - like Adorama or B&H does.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on November 10, 2008, 11:38:46 pm




Not to be confused with CentralDigital.com.

Where I purchased a D300 a couple of weeks ago and got an email for the call. They didn't try to sell me any more merchandise but when I asked if it was gray market the tel guy said yes. I said cancel, he did & emailed me the cancel no problem. I'm grateful I didn't get it but it should have been labeled so, somewhere - like Adorama or B&H does.

Rags


Central Camera is Chicago's last real camera shop and the second oldest in the nation. There isn't any real advantage to gray market these days, anyways. The prices I've seen at B&H offer no real advantage when you compare what is sacrificed, namely warranty coverage. Nothing against B&H by any means. They are one hell of an outfit. Even been to their store.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on November 11, 2008, 10:41:22 am
My favorite place to shop online is Adorama  :thumbsup: they always have good pricing and most of the time no shipping charges.

Been to Central Camera where Thunder works and picked some stuff up, great place and it had a good family feel to it. I am big on Customer Service and they were  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: in my book.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: cultureslayer on November 11, 2008, 11:14:33 am
Is there a separate thread for cheap cameras you can put in the tank bag and not worry about so much?

I'm thinking about getting a cheaper one and saving up for a DSLR later, instead of getting one of the DSLR like cameras now (more options than the cheapies, but not as many as DSLR).

I can get a polaroid i1035 (http://www.target.com/gp/detail.html/185-4799973-6945805?asin=B001AZGJC2&AFID=Shopping&LNM=B001AZGJC2|Polaroid_10.0MP_Digital_Camera_with_3x_Optical_Zoom_Silver_CIA01035S&ref=tgt_adv_XSC10001) for $80.  the DSLR like cameras I am thinking about are in the $230 range.  Canon Powershot S5IS (http://www.techondigital.com/product.asp?productid=12077B001_)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on November 11, 2008, 12:55:38 pm
That model doesn't appear to have a viewfinder. In my experience lcd only cams suck in midday light, they're difficult to see. Since most of the time you want the sun at your back, then it's directly in the lcd.

I would step to the Power shot A590IS. Has both viewfinder and lcd. I bought one (or Santa did) for my daughter.

Just a tip. Put screen savers on any cam lcd you get.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on November 11, 2008, 01:13:11 pm
The Canon S5 is a nice one, I was thinking on getting that one of those. I decided on the Canon SD-870 due to the small size so far it takes great photos.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on November 11, 2008, 01:45:34 pm
If small size is really important, I don't recommend the S5IS. I have the S2IS, and for what it is (a P&S), it's quite bulky. It will fit in your tank bag just fine. But if you're out and you want to put it in your purse, or your pocket, it won't fit.

The S2 was a compromise between a DSLR that I wanted and a small camera that my wife wanted. Neither of us got what we wanted.  :(

I like the full manual control and the LONG optical zoom. But the lens doesn't have much range, and at higher ISO there is a metric shitload of noise. The video feature is very nice. Since we have that, we don't really need a video camera.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: cultureslayer on November 11, 2008, 01:54:01 pm

If small size is really important, I don't recommend the S5IS. I have the S2IS, and for what it is (a P&S), it's quite bulky. It will fit in your tank bag just fine. But if you're out and you want to put it in your purse, or your pocket, it won't fit.

The price is the most important point for me. :D

Right now I have about $200 of walgreens gift cards and the i1035 is there.  I could use those gift cards to get a prepaid amex card and buy a camera somewhere else, but unless I want to spend $250+ it looks like all the cheap cameras have about the same problems.  I think the combo of small P&S and buying a real DSLR later might be the best option.  One to leave in the tank bag for day trips, the other for when I know I'll be wanting to take pictures.  I've only had P&S cameras at this point, so I wasn't sure if the pseudo DSLRs would be a good option.  Guess not.  The $80 camera can keep me happy for a year (only have the phone now) and by then I'm sure the DSLRs will have dropped in price so it'll be a wash.  


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on November 11, 2008, 03:40:11 pm
Check out the Canon SD-870 its small and takes good photos.  About the size of a deck of cards and a large viewing screen. check out www.Adorama.com

(http://www.digitalmediathoughts.com/images/SD870-vs-SD800-2.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on November 11, 2008, 08:45:59 pm


The price is the most important point for me. :D

Right now I have about $200 of walgreens gift cards and the i1035 is there.  I could use those gift cards to get a prepaid amex card and buy a camera somewhere else, but unless I want to spend $250+ it looks like all the cheap cameras have about the same problems.  I think the combo of small P&S and buying a real DSLR later might be the best option.  One to leave in the tank bag for day trips, the other for when I know I'll be wanting to take pictures.  I've only had P&S cameras at this point, so I wasn't sure if the pseudo DSLRs would be a good option.  Guess not.  The $80 camera can keep me happy for a year (only have the phone now) and by then I'm sure the DSLRs will have dropped in price so it'll be a wash.  


The Kodak algorithms are awesome; nice cameras.  Huge viewing screen and very small overall.  Same with the CyberShot Sony cameras.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Scoop on November 12, 2008, 12:26:43 pm
A note on the Sony Cyber Shots though.  I have the DHC-5, a cross between P&S and DSLR.  I have had to replace the shutter button twice, once under warranty.  Basket has the same camera, same problem.  Sony says this is not a known issue :crazy:.  I advised them to pull their head from their asses and look around.  Otherwise though, great camera.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on November 12, 2008, 12:42:14 pm

A note on the Sony Cyber Shots though.  I have the DHC-5, a cross between P&S and DSLR.  I have had to replace the shutter button twice, once under warranty.  Basket has the same camera, same problem.  Sony says this is not a known issue :crazy:.  I advised them to pull their head from their asses and look around.  Otherwise though, great camera.


There are two perfectly good reasons why to avoid Sony cameras at all costs. I'll cover myself by saying they DO make good cameras. That is not the issue, although I wouldn't buy one if it came with a Zeiss HOOKER let alone a Zeiss lens.

First reason to avoid: Back when Sony bought Konica/Minolta's camera division, every single owner of a Konica and/or Minolta camera in for warranty repair was left in the dark for weeks on end. No returned inquiries at all. Eventually, every dealer and those customers got a letter from Sony stating that their choices were: 1: Accept their gear back, unrepaired, OR Sony would buy it from them at a "Pro-Rated" price.

Things like what Scoop has describes happen all the time with Sony. Their customer support is a poor joke at best.

Second- Sony will only deal with big box retailers. I'm sure the customer service stories abound there.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on November 12, 2008, 12:55:38 pm
I am a Sony fan and own 6 of the point and shoots all though they have been very good to me I can not lie, I do have to say the Canon SD-870 I own blows them away in IQ. I have done side by side comparisons with my Sony H5 8 mp which I mount to the bike and my SD-870 and the photos are way better then the H5s.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: cultureslayer on November 12, 2008, 01:28:54 pm
Thanks, I'll have to look into the Canon.

The polaroid is super tempting because of the price.  Turns out I might be able to get it for $65, at that price it's hard to say no. :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on November 12, 2008, 03:40:28 pm
It will not be hard to say no if the images are not that good. Sometimes cheaper isn't better. I have bought cheap Sony cameras and now I know why they were that price the image quality isn't there.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: cultureslayer on November 12, 2008, 05:18:34 pm

It will not be hard to say no if the images are not that good. Sometimes cheaper isn't better. I have bought cheap Sony cameras and now I know why they were that price the image quality isn't there.

Understood.  But for $65 might be worth it to have as an extra camera to take with me when there is a chance of the camera getting damaged (when it might rain, etc) and to use while I save up for a better one.  All I have now is my cellphone.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on November 12, 2008, 05:45:41 pm
Big fan of the Canon point and shoots not a big fan of their DSLRs.  I have a SD750.  Fit's in the pocket.  Does a nice job.  DSLR... I'm a Nikon guy and as I always like to point out I'm in a unique position as the company I work for is a Canon house so all my company gear is Canon.  All my personal gear (with the exception of the SD750) is Nikon.
Cheers.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on November 12, 2008, 07:25:54 pm



There are two perfectly good reasons why to avoid Sony cameras at all costs. I'll cover myself by saying they DO make good cameras. That is not the issue, although I wouldn't buy one if it came with a Zeiss HOOKER let alone a Zeiss lens.

First reason to avoid: Back when Sony bought Konica/Minolta's camera division, every single owner of a Konica and/or Minolta camera in for warranty repair was left in the dark for weeks on end. No returned inquiries at all. Eventually, every dealer and those customers got a letter from Sony stating that their choices were: 1: Accept their gear back, unrepaired, OR Sony would buy it from them at a "Pro-Rated" price.

Things like what Scoop has describes happen all the time with Sony. Their customer support is a poor joke at best.

Second- Sony will only deal with big box retailers. I'm sure the customer service stories abound there.


I have a Sony Cybershot 2.1 that I bought in 2000.  I have beat the absolute piss out of that camera and it keeps coming back for more.  My son uses it these days, but I still love the images I get out of it.

I'm not sure if quality has slipped or not, but I'll say that if the newer cameras perform anything like they did a few years ago you won't have any worries.  

And, FWIW, I've never known anyone to have an issue with Sony cameras; and that's all the government seems to use at work.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on November 16, 2008, 02:46:57 pm
A couple of random pics with the D80 this morning.

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Misc%20Webjunk/a4b2354e.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Misc%20Webjunk/9120db96.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Misc%20Webjunk/234f87e8.jpg)

She'll kill me, but I love watching her get ready in the morning...

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Misc%20Webjunk/d958dfcc.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on November 17, 2008, 12:18:10 pm
Went to the Supermoto finals in Sonoma, CA (wine country) yesterday; but first went in search of fall color.

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/419037266_wF8NA-M.jpg)

Then the track, small casual, accessible, weather warm - looked like a good day...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/419033981_kG2fw-M.jpg)

Hill made for good subject separation

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/419035140_YzYwv-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/419032254_QmpQv-M.jpg)

On the way back from a sports shoot, I couldn't help myself...

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/419036675_AYuWg-M.jpg)

Life is good....

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on November 17, 2008, 12:28:47 pm
Very nice shots torags - great sunset photo :thumbsup: Motorcycle ones are nice as well but a good sunset or rise is hard to miss.   I hope I get the chance to photograph another trackday. I have learned alot since my last one.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Scoop on November 17, 2008, 08:05:29 pm



I have a Sony Cybershot 2.1 that I bought in 2000.  I have beat the absolute piss out of that camera and it keeps coming back for more.  My son uses it these days, but I still love the images I get out of it.

I'm not sure if quality has slipped or not, but I'll say that if the newer cameras perform anything like they did a few years ago you won't have any worries.  

And, FWIW, I've never known anyone to have an issue with Sony cameras; and that's all the government seems to use at work.


I recall from another ride report thread that Orson takes his fabled pics with a Cybershot, one of the reasons that I got mine.  But, I think his might have been a 2.1 too.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on November 17, 2008, 10:56:02 pm



I recall from another ride report thread that Orson takes his fabled pics with a Cybershot, one of the reasons that I got mine.  But, I think his might have been a 2.1 too.


I'll have to take a photo of it   :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on November 19, 2008, 06:58:37 pm
I tried out my new D90 at the Japanese Garden. More color there than last time.

What do you think
(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/420601639_Wk79s-M.jpg)

One in B&W

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/420601711_74ENs-M.jpg)

Next test the Baja1000 this Friday, vids too. On the way back Sat... Salton Sea, a sunset and a few hundred birds


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on November 19, 2008, 08:02:28 pm

I tried out my new D90 at the Japanese Garden. More color there than last time.

What do you think
(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/420601639_Wk79s-M.jpg)

One in B&W

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/420601711_74ENs-M.jpg)

Next test the Baja1000 this Friday, vids too. On the way back Sat... Salton Sea, a sunset and a few hundred birds


Love the functionality of that camera and it's capabilities, but I just can't get past the images.  Sure wish I could though; that's a great feeling bit of kit there.  I miss that fast burst rate, and I would have liked to have been able to keep the video option when I went back to the D80.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on November 20, 2008, 09:10:19 am

I tried out my new D90 at the Japanese Garden. More color there than last time.

What do you think
(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/420601639_Wk79s-M.jpg)

One in B&W

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/420601711_74ENs-M.jpg)

Next test the Baja1000 this Friday, vids too. On the way back Sat... Salton Sea, a sunset and a few hundred birds


Nice torags, can't wait to see the photos from the baja1000.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on November 24, 2008, 12:35:24 am
Baja1000

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/423286000_DCnwv-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/423285826_YTQL7-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/423270610_fSBUc-M.jpg)

How close do you want to be?
(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/423270414_NXdpG-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/423295932_hwvD7-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/423295536_4RxTv-M.jpg)

On the way home I stopped at the Salton Sea for some birds, but these guys are tough to stop

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/423324179_9hseJ-M.jpg)

(http://torags.smugmug.com/photos/423324987_gmr3Y-M.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on November 24, 2008, 12:45:52 am
Great shots Torags! I love the first bike shot. I find myself looking forward to your Baja pics every year now!

Got any of the 202x bike? One of our local guys did a leg on that team.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on November 24, 2008, 01:05:55 am

Great shots Torags! I love the first bike shot. I find myself looking forward to your Baja pics every year now!

Got any of the 202x bike? One of our local guys did a leg on that team.


Didn't get the Snortin Boar. I looked out for all the advrider guys, I just got a couple.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Scoop on December 01, 2008, 12:09:35 pm
OK, here is a DSLR noob question.  Are there brands of DSLR's that accept non-digital lenses?  In other words, if I have a bunch of Pentax lenses from a film camera (remember them things?), can they be adapted to fit a Pentax DSLR?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on December 01, 2008, 12:54:34 pm

OK, here is a DSLR noob question.  Are there brands of DSLR's that accept non-digital lenses?  In other words, if I have a bunch of Pentax lenses from a film camera (remember them things?), can they be adapted to fit a Pentax DSLR?


Yes you can shot with a non digital lens. "digital" lenses are regular? lenses "optimized" with a coating for digital cams.

First , the mounting face: will it physically mount to the cam. Then the function ability tween cam & lens. With an old lens you may not get full functions the new cam has, like AF or metering.

I would verify compatibility with a "smart" camera store; not a Best Buy.

My guess is that the lenses have no value; like a 5 year old computer.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on December 02, 2008, 01:14:18 am

OK, here is a DSLR noob question.  Are there brands of DSLR's that accept non-digital lenses?  In other words, if I have a bunch of Pentax lenses from a film camera (remember them things?), can they be adapted to fit a Pentax DSLR?


Pentax is probably the most backward-compatible of all the brands.  Any Pentax lens from the mid-70s onwards will fit a new Pentax DSLR.  There will be a crop factor of course (apparent focal length will increase).  Lens KA and KAF capability will work with the DSLR.  If any doubt, bring your lenses into the camera store and have them check for you.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on December 02, 2008, 12:57:50 pm


Understood.  But for $65 might be worth it to have as an extra camera to take with me when there is a chance of the camera getting damaged (when it might rain, etc) and to use while I save up for a better one.  All I have now is my cellphone.


Don't know if you puled the trigger on anything yet, Canon A470, $79.95
http://www.adorama.com/ICAA470GY.html?emailprice=t


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Scoop on December 03, 2008, 08:33:22 pm



Pentax is probably the most backward-compatible of all the brands.  Any Pentax lens from the mid-70s onwards will fit a new Pentax DSLR.  There will be a crop factor of course (apparent focal length will increase).  Lens KA and KAF capability will work with the DSLR.  If any doubt, bring your lenses into the camera store and have them check for you.


That's good to know, as I have a couple of Pentax lenses from my old days that I would like to use at times.  I have a fixed 300 mm and an 800 mm mirror that are nice to use at times.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: dbduchene on December 03, 2008, 08:49:08 pm



That's good to know, as I have a couple of Pentax lenses from my old days that I would like to use at times.  I have a fixed 300 mm and an 800 mm mirror that are nice to use at times.


The difference between the Digital lens and the ones that where made for the film days is that the film lens only have a glare coating on the front lens and in most cases not the back pice of glass. This did not matter for film as the film was dark. The sensor for the Digital Cameras are very shinny so they will at times reflect the light back onto the glass and cause a flare on the back pice of glass.

Denis


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: cultureslayer on December 03, 2008, 10:31:23 pm



Don't know if you puled the trigger on anything yet, Canon A470, $79.95
http://www.adorama.com/ICAA470GY.html?emailprice=t

Already bought it.  Low light picture quality is kinda bad, not so much with the outdoor pics.  Something decent to throw in the tank bag for $65, although I wouldn't pay more for it.  I'll attach two pics, both cropped but not resized, one in low light and one outside.  At least now I have something, and for indoor pics I'll probably borrow the boyfriend's canon P&S once he moves down here until I graduate and can get a nice DSLR.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on December 06, 2008, 08:58:34 pm
So...it looks like Nikon has a new flagship 24.5 MP FX-format DSLR. The D3X has been announced. Price: $7,999.95 *ESP  :eek:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: dbduchene on December 06, 2008, 09:17:55 pm
A 5 D markII at 2,700 will be just fine Thank you

Denis


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on December 06, 2008, 09:56:11 pm

A 5 D markII at 2,700 will be just fine Thank you



 :drool:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on December 07, 2008, 12:58:53 am

So...it looks like Nikon has a new flagship 24.5 MP FX-format DSLR. The D3X has been announced. Price: $7,999.95 *ESP  :eek:


I assume it's to compete with the EOS 1DS Mark III which is also at the same price.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on December 07, 2008, 01:52:04 pm
Some people are really pissed off at the price.... This guy says it all..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnwf2RShNV0

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on December 13, 2008, 02:55:11 am
So, I finally pulled the trigger on a point and shoot and picked up a Leica D-Lux 4. It came in Friday so I haven't had much of a chance to play with it yet. The nicest thing about working at a real camera store (I dont recall if I mentioned this recently) is that some of the manufacturers offer mind blowing deals on equipment, so it made the decision almost a no-brainer.

Got two Kingston class 6 8 Gig SDHC cards at Fry's Tuesday evening for about 20 bux each as well.

Along with that, I got some great news that I was aware of for a number of months but was waiting for "official" confirmation is that one of my images, my self-portrait and my website will be featured in at article published in a Chicago based magazine around the beginning of January. The article is about unconventional venues to view and buy art and the restaurant where my images will be available in February is the main feature of the article.

While I've had press in Turkey (From my exhibition there in 2007) this will be my first U.S. press and its very exciting.

I'm in the process of securing permission to reproduce the article in PDF format to make available on my website once the issue of the magazine is no longer available in stores.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on December 13, 2008, 03:36:26 am
Congrats on all counts, Thunder.

 :drool: :drool: :drool:

(http://us.leica-camera.com/assets/media/img13726.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on December 13, 2008, 04:02:18 am

Congrats on all counts, Thunder.

 :drool: :drool: :drool:

(http://us.leica-camera.com/assets/media/img13726.jpg)


Thank you!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on December 13, 2008, 05:13:14 pm
Congratulations Thunder!!! Way to go...

 :beerchug: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on December 13, 2008, 08:02:31 pm

Congratulations Thunder!!! Way to go...

 :beerchug: :banana: :banana: :banana:

Rags


Thank you very much. Now all I have ot do is get my ass in gear and update my site by the end of the year!  :crazy:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on December 13, 2008, 10:49:41 pm
Way to go Fred! Lemme know if you need a hand with your website.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on December 14, 2008, 10:04:35 am



Thank you very much. Now all I have ot do is get my ass in gear and update my site by the end of the year!  :crazy:


Well get on it. You have a responsibility to your fan base.

 :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on December 14, 2008, 10:18:11 am



Well get on it. You have a responsibility to your fan base.

 :lol:


Oh, the pressure!  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: birdrunner on December 15, 2008, 12:02:00 pm

So, I finally pulled the trigger on a point and shoot and picked up a Leica D-Lux 4. It came in Friday so I haven't had much of a chance to play with it yet. The nicest thing about working at a real camera store (I dont recall if I mentioned this recently) is that some of the manufacturers offer mind blowing deals on equipment, so it made the decision almost a no-brainer.




Congrats.

I have a Panasonic/ Lumex point and shoot that usesa Leica lense, are they the same manufacturer, just re badged?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on December 15, 2008, 09:20:30 pm



Congrats.

I have a Panasonic/ Lumex point and shoot that usesa Leica lense, are they the same manufacturer, just re badged?


I don't know for sure, but I think while they have a working relationship together, the Leica cams are P&S for pros, where the Panasonics are for good quality cams using Leica lenses for regular guys like me and you.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on December 15, 2008, 09:32:34 pm



Congrats.

I have a Panasonic/ Lumex point and shoot that usesa Leica lense, are they the same manufacturer, just re badged?


While its very easy to see it that way, no. The Leica models go through a far more rigorous QC process and have a three year warranty. Also, as I recall the software that comes with the LX3 (Pana) isnt that great where the leica software is a brand specific version of Capture One, a professional level workflow software. There is probably more to it than that but I'm having too much fun with the camera to look any deeper into it.

Overall, there isnt a single thing wrong with the Panasonic cameras as a less expensive alternative.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 04, 2009, 03:10:43 pm
Finally got a low tide at this beach without a dog (dogs clear the beach)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/448692547_3V9J4-M.jpg)

somebodies dog came on the scene

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/448692577_tLbNx-M.jpg)

D90, 70/200 + 1.4X





Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 05, 2009, 08:55:23 am
LOL darn dogs  :lol:   I have that problem with people everytime I go to a car show.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 05, 2009, 11:17:40 am
Yeah, those car shows. I've been lucky when I get there between 9:30 -10, before the crowds; I have a 10/20 that gets me real close & excludes most of the people

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 05, 2009, 12:35:50 pm
I have a 12-13 foot I plan on this year planting up some peoples a** when they do it now.  :lol:  I just bought a 17-40mm from Thunder a few months ago so it should be a better year for me.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 06, 2009, 10:19:07 pm
So I want to throw myself in the DSLR game.  I have talked a briefly with Thunder and Johnnyb about this. I am leaning toward Nikon. I'm thinking D80 from their suggestions. Now for the lenses.. What would be 2 good lenses for me? I've been reading the crap out of everything I can get my hands (or mouse) on.  

I want a good and diverse telephoto lens with a fairly fast aperture and focus lock speed. 200mm me thinks. I'm having trouble envisioning how much 200mm is. I know actual zoom is higher because of the D80 not being a full sensor and there's a crop factor or something that makes lenses appear to have a longer focal length. How much zoom is that though in comparison to a point and shoot?

My Canon S3IS has a 12x zoom. How does a 200mm on a D80 compare? I like having the zoom. I use it for moose in Canada, eh!

I also want something shorter, wider and faster, which would be pretty good in lower light. My S3IS totally sucks when it starts getting darker, or indoors.

I really like the ultra wide lens description here - http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/how-to-use-ultra-wide-lenses.htm What would work and give me somewhat similar results with the D80 without having to sell one of my motorcycles to acquire it. I'd really like to play around with one of those lenses. I think it would boost my creativity for sure.

Anything here in a kit that looks nice?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?ci=0&shs=d80&sb=ps&pn=1&sq=desc&InitialSearch=yes&O=jsp%2FRootPage.jsp&A=search&Q=*&bhs=t&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=submit

Fred, do you have anything coming in used at your place that would work for me well? -- That you didn't already snatch up?  :lol:

Thanks guys.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: vitaminC on January 06, 2009, 10:33:31 pm
For UW lenses, check out the Sigma 10-20 and the Tokina 11-16; I've got the former, and have read good things about the latter.

When you say 200mm telephoto, presumably you mean a super-zoom, and not a fixed length lens? If you want just an UW and a big zoom, there really aren't that many choices that will let you cover a large range with little to no gap (at least with VR): Nikon has a 18-200, and Tamron makes a 18-270.

Good luck! It's fun and addictive!  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 06, 2009, 11:02:23 pm
Working in a camera store, I have a chance to play around with many different lenses. having never, ever had a positive result from a Sigma lens since two were purchased for me back in 1992, I have tried a few in the store and have come to one single conclusion.

Sigma lenses still suck.

The most recent example is when I took out their current 70-200 f2.8 zoom a few months ago. I used my D300 and brought out my Nikon 70-300 f4-5.6 lens. Imagine my complete lack of surprise that across the range the Nikon was far sharper and had much greater contrast than the Sigma.

The only justification for owning a Sigma lens is budgetary constraints or you arent going to do anything even remotely production related.

If you're going to look at aftermarket lenses, it should be in this order: 1: Tokina 2: Tamron 3: Being waterboarded in a tub of elephant piss. 4: Sigma.

Regarding used stuff- The good stuff comes and goes quickly, except for the really expensive lenses. Those will take a while to move because most people cant afford the higher end lenses.

Once you get a better idea of what you want, I can keep an eye out for things and let you know.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on January 06, 2009, 11:10:27 pm

So I want to throw myself in the DSLR game.  I have talked a briefly with Thunder and Johnnyb about this. I am leaning toward Nikon. I'm thinking D80 from their suggestions. Now for the lenses.. What would be 2 good lenses for me? I've been reading the crap out of everything I can get my hands (or mouse) on.  

I want a good and diverse telephoto lens with a fairly fast aperture and focus lock speed. 200mm me thinks. I'm having trouble envisioning how much 200mm is. I know actual zoom is higher because of the D80 not being a full sensor and there's a crop factor or something that makes lenses appear to have a longer focal length. How much zoom is that though in comparison to a point and shoot?

My Canon S3IS has a 12x zoom. How does a 200mm on a D80 compare? I like having the zoom. I use it for moose in Canada, eh!

I also want something shorter, wider and faster, which would be pretty good in lower light. My S3IS totally sucks when it starts getting darker, or indoors.

I really like the ultra wide lens description here - http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/how-to-use-ultra-wide-lenses.htm What would work and give me somewhat similar results with the D80 without having to sell one of my motorcycles to acquire it. I'd really like to play around with one of those lenses. I think it would boost my creativity for sure.

Anything here in a kit that looks nice?
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?ci=0&shs=d80&sb=ps&pn=1&sq=desc&InitialSearch=yes&O=jsp%2FRootPage.jsp&A=search&Q=*&bhs=t&Go.x=0&Go.y=0&Go=submit

Fred, do you have anything coming in used at your place that would work for me well? -- That you didn't already snatch up?  :lol:

Thanks guys.




Your S3IS has a 35 mm equivalent range of 36-432 mm.  "Normal" perspective is about 50 mm, noticeable wide angle starts at 35 mm and below, noticeable telephoto about 85 mm and above.  Your S3IS has virtually no wide angle capability and is extremely biased toward telephoto focal lengths.  No wonder you want something wider.

Most people start with a "standard" zoom for good reason and despite your desire to have it all, that is what I am going to recommend for you.  Try the Nikon 18-70 mm f/3.5-4.5G ED-IF AF-S DX zoom, $339.95 at B&H.  A little bit more money than the usual kit lenses but quite a bit better quality and 2/3 to 1 stop faster f/4.5 maximum aperture (compared to f/5.6 or f/6.3) at full telephoto compared to the kit options.  The wide angle end is 27 mm equivalent so it will give you a noticeable (but not huge) improvement over your S3IS.  If you would like macro capability, and getting waterboarded in elephant piss sounds attractive to you, a third-party option is the Sigma 17-70 mm.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/shop/8456/for_Nikon.html/atl/Brand_Nikon/mnp/0.0/mxp/0.0/sortDrop/Price%3A+Low+to+High/pn/2

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/131/cat/13


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 06, 2009, 11:20:52 pm

If you're going to look at aftermarket lenses, it should be in this order: 1: Tokina 2: Tamron 3: Being waterboarded in a tub of elephant piss. 4: Sigma.


Fred, your analogies absolutely kill me.  :lol:

Oh, and if the S3 is anything like my S2, he's right. It is shit in lowlight and indoors. That is the thing I HATE most about my S2.
Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 06, 2009, 11:34:22 pm
Glad you like them. I try to be funny (Ok and a little gross) when blasting an opinion out of the end of a shotgun.

The worst lens I ever experienced was a Minolta Maxxum zoom, I think the focal length was 70-210 and I dont recall the aperture. I had it back around 1988 and kept it all for about 6 months before it went on the used market. Sigmas are the worst I have ever encountered since then.

In about 1992, my Father gave me a Nikon F4 along with two Sigma lenses. It took em about six months to save up for better optics and I was happy to get rid of the Sigmas. In 2005 I played with a Sigma 15-30 Zoom with my Canon 10D and if the lens flare was any worse it would have been blinding. Vignetting was terrible. Thats when I bought the Canon 17-40 "L" series lens that was not only my most used lens, but my full on favorite.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 06, 2009, 11:55:47 pm
Thanks for that info guys. And thanks for figuring out the equiv focal length of the S3IS. That puts things in perspective for me.

And Sigma's are kind of like Triumph Trophy 900's, got it.  :crazy:

And yes it looks like I want it all.  :lol: Would starting with a Nikon 18-70 mm f/3.5-4.5G ED-IF AF-S DX zoom become boring to me quickly? Would I cry and cry and wish that I could zoom to reach that loon swimming around in the middle of the lake?

Or with this in mind the next lens on my list should be something in the 200mm max range?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 06, 2009, 11:59:51 pm



Fred, your analogies absolutely kill me.  :lol:

Oh, and if the S3 is anything like my S2, he's right. It is shit in lowlight and indoors. That is the thing I HATE most about my S2.
Jeff


It goes to 800ISO but anything over 200 is to noisy for me. That doesn't leave many options.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 07, 2009, 12:11:09 am



It goes to 800ISO but anything over 200 is to noisy for me. That doesn't leave many options.


The S2 only goes to ISO 400, but 200 is really noisy too. So I'm in the same boat as you.
Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on January 07, 2009, 12:14:43 am

Thanks for that info guys. And thanks for figuring out the equiv focal length of the S3IS. That puts things in perspective for me.

And Sigma's are kind of like Triumph Trophy 900's, got it.  :crazy:

And yes it looks like I want it all.  :lol: Would starting with a Nikon 18-70 mm f/3.5-4.5G ED-IF AF-S DX zoom become boring to me quickly? Would I cry and cry and wish that I could zoom to reach that loon swimming around in the middle of the lake?

Or with this in mind the next lens on my list should be something in the 200mm max range?


Well Fred just said his most used lens was his 17-40 mm (before he went to the dark side), which is half the range of an 18-70 mm!  Keep in mind (I am guessing here) that Fred used this on a full frame camera so he got a true 17 mm wide angle, not the 26 mm equivalent on your Sony Alpha.  Still, for most people a standard zoom will be the most used lens for everyday photography.  You may still cry at the shots you miss, but you won't get bored.  You may cry yet more to hear that a (really good) bird lens to fill your frame with a loon in the middle of a lake will be 400 mm focal length (or longer), cost you thousands of dollars, and weigh 15 pounds!

Seriously, if you like telephoto with reach equivalent to your S3IS, I would look at a 70-300 mm zoom which will be 450 mm equivalent at the long end on the D80.  A lot cheaper and lighter than the 15 pound bazooka, at the expense of a smaller maximum aperture.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ive_been_hijacked on January 07, 2009, 12:15:45 am

Thanks for that info guys. And thanks for figuring out the equiv focal length of the S3IS. That puts things in perspective for me.

And Sigma's are kind of like Triumph Trophy 900's, got it.  :crazy:

And yes it looks like I want it all.  :lol: Would starting with a Nikon 18-70 mm f/3.5-4.5G ED-IF AF-S DX zoom become boring to me quickly? Would I cry and cry and wish that I could zoom to reach that loon swimming around in the middle of the lake?

Or with this in mind the next lens on my list should be something in the 200mm max range?


I got a deal when I got the D40 and I see they were recently offering the $100 off another lens coupon again.  The 70-200mm VR Nikkor was on sale with a camera purchase.  Made it very affordable.  The bottom line is, without forking over big dough, you're stuck with 2 lenses to get the near and the far.  You'll want that 200mm.  Trust me.  I have a cheap 70-300mm given to me, which is fun, minus the poor to mediocre sharpness throughout the range.  Wide angles make better choices for a lot of moto photography, but there's always that shot you want of your bike with the moon that you need to zoom way in to snap and make the moon look huge.

Seeing the recent drop in prices on the cameras, it's tempting to move to a new body.

The only Sigma I've messed with was a non-full-frame 16mm fisheye.  Which was great for a fisheye, since most fisheye lenses are $$$$$ and it's not a lens you'll be using all day.  Unless you're photographing for a snowboard magazine.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on January 07, 2009, 12:54:03 am
Maybe if you told us what you want to photograph (in addition to loons on lakes), rather than what type of lenses you are looking at, we could help you out more.  Here are some shots taken with my 17-55 mm lens on a 1.6x crop factor body, which is similar to the 18-70 on a 1.5x crop factor D80 but with a little less reach.  I don't find it boring, but I do tend to use the wide-to-normal range more than the normal-to-telephoto end.

At 28 mm (45 mm equivalent), very close to "normal" perspective.  It has been cropped to simulate a panorama.

Upper Kananaskis Lake

At 35 mm (56 mm equivalent), again very close to "normal" perspective.

Spillway Lake

At 20 mm (32 mm equivalent), almost as wide as it will go and just a little wider than your S3IS.

Plus 15

At 17 mm (28 mm equivalent), full wide angle.  The perspective change is quite evident here as Andrew is bigger than John and that's a standard patio table.

John and Andrew

Another one at 17 mm.

Bench

On the other hand, a 70-200 mm zoom can be fun!  165 mm (264 mm equivalent) focal length, f/2.8 aperture.  An f/2.8, 70-200 mm zoom also costs around $1000 (or more), however.

Canada Goose

You can rent both an SLR and some lenses to see the effect of different focal lengths for yourself on a crop factor body, and it's cheaper than buying.  In fact, a good shop may deduct your rental from your purchase price if you end up buying the camera and lens(es) from them.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 07, 2009, 03:22:34 am



Well Fred just said his most used lens was his 17-40 mm (before he went to the dark side), which is half the range of an 18-70 mm!  Keep in mind (I am guessing here) that Fred used this on a full frame camera so he got a true 17 mm wide angle, not the 26 mm equivalent on your Sony Alpha.  


Nope. Never had a full frame. Although I have a major project coming up that I may shoot with a Nikon D3x (Borrowed from a friend).


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 07, 2009, 08:14:33 am

Maybe if you told us what you want to photograph (in addition to loons on lakes),



Landscapes,
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/399670653_cWjEj-M.jpg)

Fall Colors
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/398078343_2PiG4-M.jpg)

Leaves
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/398052912_33ovs-M.jpg)

Foggy Woods
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/398048987_qrDsX-M.jpg)

Sunrises, both far and wide
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/399728903_qbgio-M.jpg)
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/399728575_NYZ5w-M.jpg)

(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/397972548_HWshK-M.jpg)

Trackdays
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/143849626_yqbes-M.jpg)

Moose
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/302093215_YFvN8-M.jpg)

Fox
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/302067736_smnKr-M.jpg)

Riding on gravel roads
Near and far
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/302061513_a6TFV-M.jpg)
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/302061904_cTazv-M.jpg)

Blue houses
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/302128160_5cprs-M.jpg)

scary bugs, up close
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/331016417_xUThw-M.jpg)

flowers near and far
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/331176180_LnCr9-M.jpg)
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/331175794_qnfBb-M.jpg)

deer
near and far
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/331197345_fyFAn-M.jpg)
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/331197492_2Jsjk-M.jpg)

roads
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/330654573_JkySC-M.jpg)

big holes in the ground
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/331032144_edqso-M.jpg)

That's mostly what I shoot.

I'm all over the place.




Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 07, 2009, 08:49:06 am
Nice post!

And what the hell kind of scary bug is that?
Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 07, 2009, 09:01:26 am
That was one gross bug  :crazy: Good shots Matt and doodah man. I really like Freds Nikon but will not be switching over to the darkside of the force. I have too much Canon crap LOL But I will be buying more L lenses from Canon. Still my fav. is my 70-200mm F2.8 IS :inlove:  :drool: it never comes off my camera. Okay sometimes  :lol: But just to start something CANONS RULE LOL   :cool:

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/2890733682_cb85a4c1dc.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 07, 2009, 09:25:18 am

Nice post!

And what the hell kind of scary bug is that?
Jeff


I have never seen anything like it! It was taken on an Indian Route (some kind of sand/gravel road) South West of Page, AZ. The bug is sitting in a heel print of my boot to get an idea of size. I was close to it and when it moved, it ran fast. Scared the shit outta me!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 07, 2009, 09:28:44 am
Reading all of this stuff makes me appreciate my Canon S3IS for what it can do. All those pics were taken with the S3.

I guess everything is a trade off. Versatility vs. sharpness and quality. S3 is ok but I want more. Maybe keep the S3 with me as well on trips for the long shots and more of a normal lens on an SLR for everything else.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 07, 2009, 09:31:56 am
Matt nothing wrong with point and shoot I carry one everywhere I go. Even when I have my DSLR with. Also the Canon S3 is a nice camera.  My p/s is a Canon SD870.  Matt you will have a blast with the DSLR it does get expensive chasing the craze.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 07, 2009, 09:40:54 am

Matt nothing wrong with point and shoot I carry one everywhere I go. Even when I have my DSLR with. Also the Canon S3 is a nice camera.  My p/s is a Canon SD870.  Matt you will have a blast with the DSLR.


Yeah, jumping to the S3 from some other cannon cheapo really jump started my excitement for better photography. I imagine an SLR would do much the same.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 07, 2009, 09:45:58 am
Matt check this site out when you get the chance. They hold classes and demonstrations on all kinds of stuff.

http://photo.meetup.com/102/


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: vitaminC on January 07, 2009, 11:38:38 am

Nice post!

And what the hell kind of scary bug is that?
Jeff


Jerusalem cricket (also many other names)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on January 07, 2009, 12:39:27 pm



Yeah, jumping to the S3 from some other cannon cheapo really jump started my excitement for better photography. I imagine an SLR would do much the same.


It will.  The D80 is a fantastic choice; I've been so damn impressed with this camera.  I was yanked into the SLR realm after playing with a buddy's D60 for about 10 minutes.  After realizing how woefully limited even a good P&S camera is by comparison, I vowed to grab a DSLR as soon as I could.  I did; a D80, and haven't looked back.  It goes almost everywhere with me (as my wife will attest... as she rolls her eyes).


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 07, 2009, 12:53:55 pm

 It goes almost everywhere with me (as my wife will attest... as she rolls her eyes).


I hear you there Johnny mine does the same thing, now that I have a studio setup at my house, I get to use her for testing my lighting techniques  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 07, 2009, 02:24:30 pm

Jerusalem cricket (also many other names)


Woah! Thanks. I googled it and am now quite grossed out. I don't care for anything that has an exoskeleton. Being from the Midwest, I've never seen anything like that. They sure grow em big out there.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: vitaminC on January 07, 2009, 03:12:28 pm

Woah! Thanks. I googled it and am now quite grossed out. I don't care for anything that has an exoskeleton. Being from the Midwest, I've never seen anything like that. They sure grow em big out there.


We had one in our house once- very exciting!  :eek:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 08, 2009, 02:20:03 pm
Thanks for your recommendations on the Nikon 18-70 mm f/3.5-4.5G ED-IF AF-S DX zoom, doodah man.

I'm thinking that would be a lens that I will use and enjoy but sooner or later I'll be wishing I had more reach. This camera and lens I'm looking for would come with me on the bike everywhere. I don't want a pile of lenses. What do you all think about the Nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED-IF AF-S DX VR II AF. Lots of people like it in reviews that I have read. It covers a great range and is pretty fast at f/3.5. Another thing I'm thinking about for fun is a Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X 116 Pro DX AF. Reviews on that one say they it's very close or better than the Nikon of similar size and the Tokina is half the price. It is has no Image stabilization however. That really isn't an issue with something that wide though, correct? I like that it's f/2.8 but since it has no IS, would it be sort of a wash for handheld night shots when compared to something a bit slower (f/3.5)?

One more camera question also. Does the D80 have live view? Can I see through the LCD screen as I take the pic, or is this view finder only? Will I miss no live view? I can take some funky angle shots with my S3IS because I can compose the image from the screen (the screen also rotates which has been usefull to me too). The D90 has live view I guess but is also more money and probably more than I want to spend right now for a camera body.

I'm getting antsy. I'm going to pull the trigger soon.  :lol:

Any Nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED-IF AF-S DX VR II AF' s laying around by you for less than $620, Fred?  :)





Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 08, 2009, 06:10:39 pm
If I recall, I sold my 18/200 for $575 thru Craigs list.

It was the best choice for an overall travel lens. It only drove me nuts when I tried to shoot an indoor rodeo. The variable aperture is automatic, so you can't adjust it for low light to get bokeh.

Well this is a Sports Touring website and we're on a camera thread, so what do you think of this trip:

I have fleshed out my trip to bikeweek. My itinerary is roughed out and getting the gear packed for my R1150RS.

It goes like this: SF to San Diego. Leave SD a midnite to hit high altitude freezing weather during the day (east of Tucson), carry on to Jacksonville for a IBA 50CC. Get to Daytona Sunday 3/2/09, Check the Greyhound track to see if I can get access to photograph the practices in the am. Wednesday I'll shoot the matinee races. Then head over to Sopotnicks to shoot the Women's cole slaw wrestling.

Wed or Thursday nite photograph dirt rack at the Muni stadium, Fri is the Daytona 200 (I'll be there), Saturday is the Honda SupercrossAt nite.

Check in Sunday morn at main street for the topless gals parade & leave Daytona. Next stop Tucson,AZ rest time with a bud; before leaving for Page AZ area. This area has a lot of slot canyons - Antelope, Water Holes, Wire Pass and Bucskin Gulch. I figure 2-3 days before I head over to photograph some dunes in Death Valley.

A day n a half or two there before I leave for SF.

What do you think, did I miss anything? (the Sierra passes are closed in March)

Any suggestions?

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 08, 2009, 07:16:16 pm
Thanks. I remember seeing pics from the Rodeo you took. I'll go back and check them out. What lenses are you using now?


Page, AZ on your trip sounds fun. I stayed there once. I didn't check it out as much as I should have. Have a good trip. Sounds Awesome!



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on January 08, 2009, 08:02:24 pm


One more camera question also. Does the D80 have live view? Can I see through the LCD screen as I take the pic, or is this view finder only? Will I miss no live view? I can take some funky angle shots with my S3IS because I can compose the image from the screen (the screen also rotates which has been usefull to me too). The D90 has live view I guess but is also more money and probably more than I want to spend right now for a camera body.


Nope, the live view in the LCD started with the D90.  I actually had a D90 for a short while and traded back to the D80.  I'll be absolutely honest when I say that the controls and slightly greater control of the camera with the D90 is something I miss, but not enough to forgo the photos it gave me.  I simply did not care for the images; the D90 could never duplicate the depth and beauty of the D80's images for some reason (which makes no sense to me because on paper, the D90 stomps the D80).  But, I want pretty pics at the end of the day, and I'm always pleased with the D80; in fact, it seems that the overall photo 'feel' of the D80 is much closer to the D200/300 cameras than the D90 is.  The D90 seems to produce more Canon-esque shots (sort of clinical feeling; which can be really good in some situations, but not for the type of shooting I like to do).

At any rate, I missed the 'live view' when weening myself off of P&S cameras, but it only really lasted about a week (or less).  You can have the camera display the photo on the LCD directly after you take the photo, which is really a better measure of what you'll get anyway; the live view does not change to represent the setting changes you're making (since it is an SLR vs. P&S).  I doubt you'll miss it either, despite seeming like a big thing to lose during the transition.  I know what you mean about funky camera angles, but honestly, that big lens proves a pretty good aiming tool; I haven't missed a 'funky angle' shot yet due to lack of live view.

Out of curiosity, why aren't you buying the 'kit'?  The supplied lens is very good.  VERY good.  A nice all-rounder; and I know BB has it for $899 right now, but probably can get it for less since they're dropping that model in favor of the D90.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on January 08, 2009, 08:10:07 pm
Matt, what is your budget for this changeover? You may be happier with the Nikon D90 which has a CMOS sensor that's rated at ISO3200. The CMOS specs are similar to the D300. The D80's CCD sensor is only rated at 1600. Two excellent for the money lenses are the Tamron 17-50 f2/8 and 70-200 f/2.8. I don't think you can go wrong with this combination if you're on a budget and want fast zoom lenses. At least you won't be upgrading for a while with this combo.

I did a pricegrabber search fo these 3 items and came up with these numbers:

D90 body - $860
17-50 - $364
70-200 - $620

It's a great and versatile setup for under 2 grand. One thing to add. Have you checked out the Nikonians forum yet? It's a great source of info on anything Nikon.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on January 08, 2009, 08:38:57 pm

Matt, what is your budget for this changeover? You may be happier with the Nikon D90 which has a CMOS sensor that's rated at ISO3200. The CMOS specs are similar to the D300. The D80's CCD sensor is only rated at 1600.


Both cameras go to absolute shite above 1200.  They both start getting sketchy at 800+.  The D90 has much more user friendly ISO control than the D80, but the D80 isn't exactly difficult to change either; just a two-button at-once affair instead of a direct push button (as I recall).

I would NOT buy the D90 based on the 'spec' of ISO sensitivity.  If anything, the true singular advantage of the D90 over the D80 is the slight increase in FPS.  That is significant if you're doing a lot of sports shots or action photos.  The disadvantage though, is that the image DOES suffer for the rapid shooting.  I miss the faster shots, but honestly, not enough to keep the camera for that reason (again, for my purposes it was nice but nowhere near mandatory).  


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 08, 2009, 09:48:53 pm

Thanks. I remember seeing pics from the Rodeo you took. I'll go back and check them out. What lenses are you using now?


Page, AZ on your trip sounds fun. I stayed there once. I didn't check it out as much as I should have. Have a good trip. Sounds Awesome!




I replace one 7" 18/200 with a 9" 24/70 2.8 plus a  10" 70/200 2.8. Quite a difference in "load" (and you need a new bag!).  But I like to take moon shots (it moves in low as well as stadium) light.

The lens is excellent in daylight...

Here's one with a D70S from the Wave near page

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/203632160_i5xbi-L.jpg)

One from a rodeo (could have used a faster shutter speed - look at the rear hoof of the horse & I could have used 300mm)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/231570080_GcWCe-M.jpg)



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 08, 2009, 10:00:23 pm
"One more camera question also. Does the D80 have live view? Can I see through the LCD screen as I take the pic, or is this view finder only? Will I miss no live view? I can take some funky angle shots with my S3IS because I can compose the image from the screen (the screen also rotates which has been usefull to me too). The D90 has live view I guess but is also more money and probably more than I want to spend right now for a camera body."

No live view on the D80. There is an angle viewfinder accessory that would help with those shots. Live view on a P&S is never accurate representing the full image from the lens. Frankly I have a problem seeing if my subject is in focus in live view during daylight, but I have used it for night shots on a tripod. I can get it right faster with the viewfinder (just me)

I have a D90 as a second cam primarily for DX "reach". I wouldn't buy it for live view. The D80 images can be excellent.






Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ive_been_hijacked on January 08, 2009, 10:39:36 pm


If anything, the true singular advantage of the D90 over the D80 is the slight increase in FPS.



I thought the D90's HD-quality movie capability fit that title?  


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 09, 2009, 12:11:08 am




I thought the D90's HD-quality movie capability fit that title?  


I don't know (how or if) you can make a print from the movie mode images.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: ive_been_hijacked on January 09, 2009, 12:46:01 am



I don't know (how or if) you can make a print from the movie mode images.

Rags


That's not my point.  My point is that the D80, nor any previous Nikon DSLR, could do movies.  Having the option with the D90 is nice.  And the fact that it's HD is an added bonus.  FPS are great for somethings, but for moto-travels the movies are nice ways to catch things that stills can't.  Bling factor aside, movie capability is the single reason I'd personally opt for the D90.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 09, 2009, 12:54:22 am
Movies not a big deal to me. My S3IS Cannon is pretty good at that for most of what I'd want. D90 does look nice. I could always go up and up and up with different cameras. Kind of like starting with a GSXR600 and having people say the 750 is better. But the 750 is so close to the 1000 that I should just get that. With the 1000 purchase, I'd now be 2 steps away from what I thought I wanted and would have less money in  my pocket.

Chris, you should buy the D90. Just do it. You know you want to.  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 09, 2009, 01:06:30 am

Matt, what is your budget for this changeover? You may be happier with the Nikon D90 which has a CMOS sensor that's rated at ISO3200. The CMOS specs are similar to the D300. The D80's CCD sensor is only rated at 1600. Two excellent for the money lenses are the Tamron 17-50 f2/8 and 70-200 f/2.8. I don't think you can go wrong with this combination if you're on a budget and want fast zoom lenses. At least you won't be upgrading for a while with this combo.

I did a pricegrabber search fo these 3 items and came up with these numbers:

D90 body - $860
17-50 - $364
70-200 - $620

It's a great and versatile setup for under 2 grand. One think to add. Have you checked out the Nikonians forum yet? It's a great
source of info on anything Nikon.


Thanks Ben,
Yes I would be very interested in not spending 2 grand. :lol: That Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 doesn't have Vibration Reduction aka. Image stabilization. It is faster though at 2.8 throughout the whole range. I'm thinking I want vibration reduction for extra tripodless freedom.

Would f/2.8 at 200mm with no stabilization make up for f/5.6 at 200mm with stabilization? I don't know what would work best for me.
That is how other lens makers like Tamaron draw you in -- with those impressive apertures. I just don't know.

Thanks for that nikonians link. I'm now going to spend all the time that I should be sleeping, reading that stuff. Wonderful.  :lol:

I didn't research my last truck purchase this much, geeze.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on January 09, 2009, 02:27:52 am
Just wait until you catch the dreaded NAS (Nikon Acquisition Syndrone).  :crazy:  It's very addictive, never ending cycle. You need to research the type of lens and focal range you're most likely use often. Depending on your budget, buy the best lens you can readily afford. Nikon lenses will tend to hold their value much longer as compared to 3rd party versions. Plus, you'll probably end up changing camera bodies more often due to technology than you would lenses. If you're going to be shooting at the longer end minus a tripod, then VR would come in handy at a heftier price.

Before you decide on the camera and lenses, have you considered renting a setup for a weekend? It's a great way to test drive the different body and lens combinations. I'm sure there are local photography shops in your area that rent by the day or week.

If price is still the factor, also consider getting factory refurbished or used equipment. There are Nikon authorized vendors that sell the refurb stuff. Nikon refurb bodies and lenses usually have limited 90 day warranty periods. Just be aware of the so called "grey imports" when you start comparing prices on new items. They're the same new equipment, costs less, but do not carry the USA warranty. NikonUSA will not accept these grey imports for warranty repairs. You'll have to go through a 3rd party vendor to get them serviced. Have fun on your search.  :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on January 09, 2009, 08:44:09 am




I thought the D90's HD-quality movie capability fit that title?  


There are a variety of issues with the video capability with the D90.  If you want a camcorder, get one, but don't use this camera to meet that need.

I took hundreds of photos using a variety of methods.  I really liked the fast shooting of the D90, but there is absolutely no way the images (even with exactly the same settings) were as good when I was hammering away as when I'd take a single photo.  The D80 gives images that are much, much closer (essentially indistinguishable) from composed photos than the D90 does.  I suspect that's an algorithm issue and not a hardware issue.

I probably should have done more research to see if there was a software update that would have gotten the D90 closer to the D80's images.  There's no doubt the D90 is a superior instrument, it just never gave images that looked as good and I was really disappointed with that.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on January 09, 2009, 08:48:01 am



Thanks Ben,
Yes I would be very interested in not spending 2 grand. :lol: That Tamron 70-200 f/2.8 doesn't have Vibration Reduction aka. Image stabilization. It is faster though at 2.8 throughout the whole range. I'm thinking I want vibration reduction for extra tripodless freedom.

Would f/2.8 at 200mm with no stabilization make up for f/5.6 at 200mm with stabilization? I don't know what would work best for me.
That is how other lens makers like Tamaron draw you in -- with those impressive apertures. I just don't know.

Thanks for that nikonians link. I'm now going to spend all the time that I should be sleeping, reading that stuff. Wonderful.  :lol:

I didn't research my last truck purchase this much, geeze.


I had VR envy with my first D80.  I'd said when I purchased my Canon S1iS that I'd never get a camera without it again.  I was wrong.  While it is nice for some instances, I found myself turning it off and forgetting about it with the D90.  No need.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 09, 2009, 11:45:04 am
I'd like VR for those long shots.

I'd also like VR on my shotgun for deer hunting too.

I'm kind of shaky in both situations.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 09, 2009, 12:08:43 pm

I'd like VR for those long shots. Find a tree

I'd also like VR on my shotgun for deer hunting too.

I'm kind of shaky in both situations.


Faster shutter speeds reduce the need for VR, I usually turn mine off. As a result I don't think its worth the extra cost.

That said, I think the Nikon 18/200 is the best all round bike touring cam

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 09, 2009, 12:34:42 pm
I carry three lenses and my 6ft tripod when I go out riding ( Goldwings back trunk  :D)  I have my 70-200mm F2.8 IS, my 85mm prime and the 17-40mm ultra wide angle lens. I also have my Canon SD870 mounted to my handlebars.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on January 09, 2009, 02:08:34 pm

I'd like VR for those long shots.
I'm kind of shaky in both situations.


The VR was useful on P&S cameras for low light and long shots.  Not an issue with a DSLR.  I'm a little shaky too, especially in high wind conditions.  However, here's a shot of a rider, at full focal length.  I'm not exactly sure how far I was from the riders; a good clip to be sure.  

This was taken as the first rider rounded through the corner.  I want to say it was something like 30' from me to the corner where the first shot was taken.  This is the burst rate as well; I'm not sure how fast these folks were going at this point on the track but it is one of the faster corners.  I think all the frames are present between the last two, and from that you can figure out what sort of speed the D80 operates at.

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Track%20Photos/2007TrackdaywithPhoenix197.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Track%20Photos/2007TrackdaywithPhoenix219.jpg)

(http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/Track%20Photos/2007TrackdaywithPhoenix220.jpg)

And night shots always run the risk of being blurry, but honestly, I haven't missed the VR at all.  The difference in money will get you a mono or tripod, and those will be far more useful in the end.  The method of VR used in DSLR cameras is different than in P&S machines, and as such, affects the outcome of your image.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 09, 2009, 03:27:08 pm
and it sure slows your fps rate, that you need in the shooting situation above.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 09, 2009, 03:46:18 pm
Cool shots. I recognize the woman with the pink mohawk in that photo.

Oh and the trigger has been pulled and the money has been lit on fire.

D80 on the way.
along with
Nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED-IF AF-S DX VR II AF
and a
Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X 116 Pro DX AF Because I think Wide angle would be fun.

Now to stop researching and 2nd guessing myself.  :lol:



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on January 09, 2009, 05:29:38 pm

Cool shots. I recognize the woman with the pink mohawk in that photo.

Oh and the trigger has been pulled and the money has been lit on fire.

D80 on the way.
along with
Nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED-IF AF-S DX VR II AF
and a
Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X 116 Pro DX AF Because I think Wide angle would be fun.

Now to stop researching and 2nd guessing myself.  :lol:




You just bought yourself a fantastic camera.  Really.  For the first 7 months of ownership I used mine essentially like a point and shoot.  The programs are very, very good.  However, I have gotten bolder and started going back to full-manual.  Now I shoot nearly exclusively in full manual.  

Most of the photos here were taken with the D80: http://s187.photobucket.com/albums/x61/johnny_monsoon/

The Bandit pics, KLR pics, and National Meet pics are on other inferior cameras, but most everything else is a product of the D80.  Have a look around.

I really recommend an external flash; the quality of your photos will increase dramatically.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 09, 2009, 07:29:47 pm
Congratulations...

Don't forget... It didn't happen if there are no pictures..........   :lol:

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 09, 2009, 11:12:04 pm
How do I take pics of my camera with my camera? Maybe if I press the shutter really fast and then turn it around to aim at itself.  :twofinger:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on January 09, 2009, 11:23:30 pm

How do I take pics of my camera with my camera? Maybe if I press the shutter really fast and then turn it around to aim at itself.  :twofinger:


Congrats and welcome to the dark side, Matt! You'll love the D80. Once you've used a DSLR, it's hard to go back to P&S. Now, go stand in front of a mirror and take a picture of yourself taking a picture! You can then use it as your avatar when you join Nikonians.  :bigok:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on January 10, 2009, 12:02:48 am

How do I take pics of my camera with my camera? Maybe if I press the shutter really fast and then turn it around to aim at itself.  :twofinger:


It involves differential equations and a worm hole.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 10, 2009, 01:45:17 am
Use your S3IS one last time.

Congrats, I'm jealous.
Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on January 12, 2009, 12:09:35 am

Cool shots. I recognize the woman with the pink mohawk in that photo.

Oh and the trigger has been pulled and the money has been lit on fire.

D80 on the way.
along with
Nikkor 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G ED-IF AF-S DX VR II AF
and a
Tokina 11-16mm f/2.8 AT-X 116 Pro DX AF Because I think Wide angle would be fun.

Now to stop researching and 2nd guessing myself.  :lol:




So, when is stuff due to arrive? You might also want to consider getting an external flash such as an SB400 or SB600. The onboard flash is adequate to a certain point. Plus, if you're using a lens hood along with the onboard flash, you'll get a semi-circular shadow on the lower portion of your picture.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 12, 2009, 08:03:51 am
Should be here this Thursday. But I'll probably have to let it defrost for a day or so once it gets here. :crazy:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 12, 2009, 08:24:14 am
Congrats Matt. Now to get a good camera bag to protect your investment. I opted for a sling bag tamrac-5769-velocity-9x. Heres what I have, I picked it up at Thunders shop a few months back. Also don't forget to get enough memory cards for it just when you think you have enough you run out.  :crazy:

(http://www.bristolcameras.co.uk/images/tamrac-5769-velocity-9x-pocket.jpg)]

(http://www.cameraworld.co.uk/images/products/extra/Tamrac%20Velocity%209x%20plan%20280.jpg)

I also have this one.  

(http://www.canonclubitalia.com/public/forum/uploads/monthly_05_2008/post-2867-1210411533.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 12, 2009, 10:29:10 am
Ditto on the sling bag.

I just got the large Lowepro sling. I think it's great for bikers and touristing.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 12, 2009, 11:16:11 am

Ditto on the sling bag.

I just got the large Lowepro sling. I think it's great for bikers and touristing.

Rags


Kata R103 backpack for me. Tried the LowePro slingbag and got a backache for my efforts. Your results may vary.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 12, 2009, 01:35:32 pm
I got a backache with the backpack  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 12, 2009, 02:21:04 pm
Someone at work showed me the lowepro sling bag and I think I'll give that a try first. Hopefully my back is strong enough.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 12, 2009, 02:22:24 pm
I'd also like a tripod that isn't the suck -- and doesn't cost too much. Whatchu all using?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on January 12, 2009, 02:48:35 pm

I'd also like a tripod that isn't the suck -- and doesn't cost too much. Whatchu all using?


Just make sure it will support your heaviest camera/lens weight combination. I have a tripod that I bought years ago from Walmart that I use every so often with my D80. It's not heavy to carry around, quite sturdy, and does the job. You can find very light, yet sturdy ones made from carbon fiber that can cost hundreds. It just depends on how much weight you want to carry around, especially when hiking or walking. If you plan on taking it on the bike, there are also compact tripods. They may not provide the height you may need, though. Ritz/Wolf Cameras carry a combo tripod/monopod that may be what you're looking for. Best bet is to take your camera & heaviest lens with you when shopping for one to get a feel for it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 12, 2009, 04:17:05 pm
I bought a video camera tripod a Sunpak 7575.

http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Sunpak-Heavy-Duty-74-8-Tripod-757/sem/rpsm/oid/148433/catOid/-13086/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 12, 2009, 07:08:05 pm

Someone at work showed me the lowepro sling bag and I think I'll give that a try first. Hopefully my back is strong enough.


They had the Lowpro200 Sling at Costco, pretty well priced

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 12, 2009, 07:15:41 pm

I'd also like a tripod that isn't the suck -- and doesn't cost too much. Whatchu all using?


I'm using one that would cost you too much.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on January 12, 2009, 09:37:32 pm

I'd also like a tripod that isn't the suck -- and doesn't cost too much. Whatchu all using?


I have an aluminum Gitzo tripod with basalt centre column that is really nice (a little heavy though), but Gitzo is expensive - $300 and up.  Unfortunately it is paired to a cheap Manfrotto ball head I will ditch sometime this year for a Kirk or similar.  Cheap ball heads and cheap tripods both suck, so maybe save up to get something nice.  Carbon fiber for the tripod legs is the way to go if you can afford it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 12, 2009, 10:27:54 pm
whatever brand tripod you buy, I would recommend only clamps for the legs. Four piece legs are wiggly in the wind even tho' they fold small for a bike (I threw mine away)

there's nothing worst than traveling 30 miles for a moonrise, getting stuck in traffic and arriving a minute away from the moonrise; fumbling with twist locks in the dark and losing the horizon shot.

I got a slick pro tripod w head which I like for heavy equipment (D700 with battery grip & 200/400 f4). With that heavy stuff I never had a problem in wind situations where a good tripod earns its keep.

For my trip I got a compact at Best Buy. Its a Dynex, 7lb capacity with clamps on it's 3 pc. legs ($60 or so) & it's own quick release head & it's about 2' folded. I'll be using a 70/200 2.8, with a D700.

There are a lot of folks who overbuy expensive tripods for the equipment they have, then buy ball heads and then quick releases. They're expensive & weigh a ton, some don't collapse small and stand too tall.  

I suggest you weigh your equipment and don't overbuy, since you may grow out of it (like I did). The pro tripods are heavier & if you back pack, they can be a pain. I did research at B&H and scrolled all their tripods for weight capacity. figure one that gets to the height of your nose (so you can look down at your cam settings.

Will you need a tripod? Are you going to take night shots? Moons? Slow exposures?

If yes, then get one, you need it.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 13, 2009, 08:06:55 am
The one thing I have learned is alot of camera stuff is way over priced. If you do your homework and look around you sometimes can buy more for alot less. Matt most people can get away with a nice heavy duty tripod that will not cost you a arm, leg and a couple of ribs. The one I poster I have used in several locations Milwaukee, Chicago and in the middle of the woods and it only cost me about $80. Check out Circuit Citys Sunpak 7575. I posted the link above.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Scoop on January 13, 2009, 12:13:15 pm

How do I take pics of my camera with my camera? Maybe if I press the shutter really fast and then turn it around to aim at itself.  :twofinger:

Use the self timer feature  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on January 13, 2009, 06:57:42 pm
I've got a micro-tripod that works fine for stabalizing my camera.  Then I've got a $30 cheapo that I've never had an issue with and seems to support my camera just fine.  It's aluminum and is essentially like most any other tripod.  The fine adjustments would be nice to have, but in most instances I just don't need 'em.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 13, 2009, 07:07:11 pm
Sometimes a bean bag on a rock/tank bag can be handy, faster than a tripod

My McGyver bean bag: I cut the end off my sunday newspaper plastic sleeve to use aroundmy lens/cam for rainy days.  As a bean bag I twist one end, put sand in, twist the other end & put on rock.

The plastic sleeve rolls up tight for small storage and I don't give a damn if I lose it, I mean Sunday is just around the corner.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on January 13, 2009, 10:44:59 pm

Sometimes a bean bag on a rock/tank bag can be handy, faster than a tripod

My McGyver bean bag: I cut the end off my sunday newspaper plastic sleeve to use aroundmy lens/cam for rainy days.  As a bean bag I twist one end, put sand in, twist the other end & put on rock.

The plastic sleeve rolls up tight for small storage and I don't give a damn if I lose it, I mean Sunday is just around the corner.

Rags


What a great idea; but I'll do you one better (especially for STing).  Fill a sock with rice (especially the Asian type rice).  You can use it for the same purpose, but you can ALSO throw it in the microwave for a minute and it becomes a heating pad.  They work great on sore shoulders. ;)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on January 16, 2009, 06:06:01 pm
Matt, did your DSLR setup arrive?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 16, 2009, 09:01:40 pm
Yep I did. I'll post pics later  :bigok: I've just been trying to become familiar with it. I think I understand most of the functions now. Now it's just using them and putting them to practice.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on January 16, 2009, 11:02:12 pm
There's a slight learning curve, but not too bad. I'd recommend printing the user's manual and putting it in a binder for easy reference. If you have questions post up here or search the Nikonians D80 forum for answers. Best of all, have fun learning your new DSLR.  :bigok:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 16, 2009, 11:30:49 pm
Taken with my S3IS.  :crazy:
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456080091_z8AdC-M.jpg)
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456080679_CTnPL-M.jpg)

Taken with the D80.

This is the Nikon 18-200 3.5-5.6 VR (or something like that)-
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456078977_6KiFx-M.jpg)

Here is the 11-16 2.8 Tonkia ultra wide.
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456079321_BADqV-M.jpg)

Here's some pics with the 11-16

My sister built a snow fort in the front yard.... She's in her 5th year of college.  :lol:
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456074780_vLUqa-M.jpg)
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456075306_VmtVT-M.jpg)

Here's my truck. I'm really really close to fill the frame.
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456075056_5qzpw-M.jpg)

After work.
No swimming today. It was -8 out at the time.
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456075827_BQCHE-M.jpg)

(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456077233_qjcjD-M.jpg)
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456077596_Ug3yW-M.jpg)

Sometimes it doesn't give me the exposure I want.
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456076553_NLgRW-M.jpg)

Sometimes it's a little better but then I mess up the horizon.
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456076230_dQbbp-M.jpg)

Rockin the sidecar
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456081007_VMgGv-M.jpg)

Same clock. Different angles.
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456081262_6HqjW-M.jpg)
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456081475_bkEQy-M.jpg)

Wide lens makes these giant houses look pretty small.
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456077962_2P3MD-M.jpg)

I'll keep putzing. It's pretty fun.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on January 17, 2009, 12:33:32 am


Sometimes it doesn't give me the exposure I want.
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456076553_NLgRW-M.jpg)

Sometimes it's a little better but then I mess up the horizon.
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456076230_dQbbp-M.jpg)



It may not give you the exposure you want, but it will give you the exposure you asked for.  The only way to handle those shots with extremely dark and bright areas and equalize them so they are both properly exposed is to use a graduated neutral filter or HDR or other digital trickery.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 17, 2009, 01:05:06 am
Graduated ND filter is on it's way. Along with 2 UV filters, a 72 to 77mm step up ring and a circular polarizer. I also ordered a Lowepro Fastpack 100.

The Grad ND filter is a .6 but it is the kind that you screw on the lens, not the rectangles that you hold in front of the lens. This is going to limit the kinds of shots I can use it for since I can't move the changeover spot in the frame. I figure better that one then the rectangles because I would be too lazy to use those.

We'll see.
 


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 17, 2009, 10:06:28 am
The square kit takes more space also. Post your efforts (your sunrise's will get better).

Consider your straighten; did you use a a star filter on the sunrise? Nice effect.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 17, 2009, 05:38:23 pm

The square kit takes more space also. Post your efforts (your sunrise's will get better).

Consider your straighten; did you use a a star filter on the sunrise? Nice effect.

Rags


on this sunrise? No, this is straight of the camera.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on January 17, 2009, 06:15:33 pm
Nice, Matt. Those look great for first shots from a new camera.

I used a Christmas gift card and picked up copies of Understanding Exposure and Learning to See Creatively, both by Bryan Peterson. VERY NICE books. Highly recommend them.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on January 17, 2009, 08:00:08 pm
Don't you just love that smooth, rich color and crisp imagery?

Make sure you're actually changing the ISO.  I thought I was for the longest time before I realized that you have to go to the menu to release the auto ISO function; that made things WAY better!  :p

Great shots!  I really dig your lens.  I'm gonna have to get me one.  Where/how much?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 17, 2009, 08:10:37 pm
Well I took some surf shots today. the worst time of day.. Shooting into the sun, into chippy water; had the CP cranked up.

while all the surfers are silhouettes, the sun lite up the water and those reflective chips gave an interesting effect. what do you think?

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/456518452_JjUmJ-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on January 17, 2009, 08:31:42 pm

Well I took some surf shots today. the worst time of day.. Shooting into the sun, into chippy water; had the CP cranked up.

while all the surfers are silhouettes, the sun lite up the water and those reflective chips gave an interesting effect. what do you think?


Pretty challenging in those conditions. Back lit, crummy surf. Best you can do is probably to look for creative shots like that. Try to angle for the sun shining through the back of the wave. I'd set the alarm clock earlier tomorrow  :lol:

Thanks, nice to see someone getting some waves.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 17, 2009, 08:50:45 pm
"I'd set the alarm clock earlier tomorrow  Lol"

Nah.... I'm going to Sacramento to see/shoot professional bull riding. Jeeze I got to love that stuff.

I'm going to try to smuggle in my dslr & 70/200. If I get anything decent I'll post it.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on January 17, 2009, 09:56:53 pm

Well I took some surf shots today. the worst time of day.. Shooting into the sun, into chippy water; had the CP cranked up.

while all the surfers are silhouettes, the sun lite up the water and those reflective chips gave an interesting effect. what do you think?

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/456518452_JjUmJ-M.jpg)


I suppose it depends on what kind of shot you really wanted, but... coming from the ocean myself, riding waves, especially in the late afternoon, that photo really captures a lot of memories for me.  I dig :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on January 17, 2009, 11:06:40 pm
Matt, check to make sure you have the latest firmware revision, v1.11, for your D80. You can find it, along with the instructions on how to upgrade it, at the Nikon USA download site.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 18, 2009, 11:12:21 pm
Thanks Ben, I'll have to check out the firmware.

Here's some pics with the 18-200 lens
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456469496_xG227-M.jpg)

We can't surf. Winter sucks. Too keep ourselves busy we sometimes go ride our mountain bikes on trails full of snow and on rivers with thin ice.  :lol:
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456477114_VbL82-M.jpg)

(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456474185_ESozM-M.jpg)

Then we piss off snowboard kids by riding our bikes down sledding hills. hahaha
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/456490992_4fVx3-M.jpg)

Here's from our coffee meet today. I am happy with these shots.
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/457090160_TwQ9V-M.jpg)
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/457081186_k3Msu-M.jpg)

(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/457085897_VSMJG-M.jpg/img]I like this horse one too for some reason.[img]http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/457087164_yhKsZ-L.jpg)

S curves
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/457087683_UYzeL-L.jpg)

I would have really liked a 500 or 600mm to zoom to this guy's face. I would have liked a tight shot of the breath and icicles on his chin.
(http://motorcyclematt.smugmug.com/photos/457087754_Ry5pc-M.jpg)






Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on January 19, 2009, 02:35:33 am
Great shots, Matt! Welcome to the world of DSLR cameras.  :inlove:  What shooting mode are you using? Try to get away from Auto, if you haven't yet, and try P (Program) instead. As you get familiar with the settings, experiment with the other manual modes to see what kind of results you get.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 19, 2009, 10:59:59 am
Nice shots Matt.

But the first I'm impressed with the lens performance. You got nice bokeh behind the cat. That's not easy with the 18-200.

The horse's are real nice, did you try a little PP fill light to bring out their faces?

Also when standing back from a subject like that, try the flash. Far enough (50' +/-) away won't give that flash look/redeye.

Nice workout, I took bullriding yesterday, I'm working on pp.

rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 19, 2009, 11:20:47 am

Nice shots Matt.

The horse's are real nice, did you try a little PP fill light to bring out their faces?

Also when standing back from a subject like that, try the flash. Far enough (50' +/-) away won't give that flash look/redeye.

Nice workout, I took bullriding yesterday, I'm working on pp.

rags


Bull riding would be fun. Shoot lots and hope for carnage.  :lol:

I don't know about fill light. I don't have photoshop. I don't mess with pics much, other than brightness, contrast, cropping. I do put HDR's together too. Whatever I can to in the HDR software and Irfanview is currently what I do.  :crazy:

Also for those horses I don't think flash would have worked. It was bright sun, bright snow, and I was 25 yards away or more. That little flash on the camera doesn't make it that far, does it?  Fill flash is one thing that I don't do a lot of which I should be more aware of.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: FZ1 Matt on January 19, 2009, 11:26:00 am

Great shots, Matt! Welcome to the world of DSLR cameras.  :inlove:  What shooting mode are you using? Try to get away from Auto, if you haven't yet, and try P (Program) instead. As you get familiar with the settings, experiment with the other manual modes to see what kind of results you get.


Av mode mostly is what my camera's are usually in. Tv if I'm panning for motion blur. Manual mode at night on a tripod.

What does P mode do compared to Manual? Me are confused, I read about it but that's as far as I got.

Johnnyb told me that P mode was "Professional" mode and everyone shoots P mode because they think they are Pros.  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 19, 2009, 01:21:31 pm



Av mode mostly is what my camera's are usually in. Tv if I'm panning for motion blur. Manual mode at night on a tripod.

What does P mode do compared to Manual? Me are confused, I read about it but that's as far as I got.

Johnnyb told me that P mode was "Professional" mode and everyone shoots P mode because they think they are Pros.  :lol:


Really??? I thought it meant prophylactic mode... Hmmm...

On Nikon I think that's a substitute for automatic. It's a good quick method for finding out what the cam thinks the settings should be, but if you're shooting motion you have to adjust.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: atypical1 on January 19, 2009, 01:59:50 pm
OK, so I am officially a camera geek now. After reading through 80 pages of threads (you should put some of these pics in the random pic thread...they are amazing) I picked up a D40. I am amazed at how cheap the cameras have become and this thing wasn't really that much more than a good point and shoot.

I took it out yesterday just fooling around while walking Atlas. I have learned that I need to learn how to compose a good picture and never to skip a shot. There were a few shots that I was going to take but didn't and now regret it. I won't make that mistake again. I also learned to love continuous mode. Why not take several shots of the same scene? I mean it's only memory and that's why I bought 4gig cards.

I might start taking pics of people's reaction to Atlas as that is always good for a laugh. What are your thoughts on taking pics of people without their permission?

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/atypical1/1%2018%2009/163.jpg)

(http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b122/atypical1/1%2018%2009/206.jpg)

james


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 19, 2009, 02:01:35 pm
Some bullriding

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/457704214_Z6RfE-L.jpg)

tough way to make a living

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/457726266_kRhrH-L.jpg)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/457736038_WgBp3-L.jpg)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/457727964_jegR7-L.jpg)

In pro bullriding they grade the bull & the rider;max 50pts for bull + max 50pts for rider.

So the top riders want the buckness bulls. The system works to keep the excitement going
Get the rope off, I don't want to go home & I'm pissed
(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/457693533_Bbp38-L.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on January 19, 2009, 09:45:44 pm



Av mode mostly is what my camera's are usually in. Tv if I'm panning for motion blur. Manual mode at night on a tripod.

What does P mode do compared to Manual? Me are confused, I read about it but that's as far as I got.

Johnnyb told me that P mode was "Professional" mode and everyone shoots P mode because they think they are Pros.  :lol:


Not sure about Nikon, but in full auto the camera usually picks all your settings - metering mode, focus mode, focus point, WB, ISO, etc - true "point and shoot".  In (P)rogram mode the camera determines aperture and shutter only and you have control over everything else.  In P mode you can also usually shift the camera's combination of shutter/aperture if you want to try a different combination.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on January 23, 2009, 01:47:01 am
FYI...There's rumor that Nikon will be raising their US prices as much as 20% on lenses, cameras, and accessories effective Feb.1st. I believe it's already gone up in Europe and Asia. So, if there's a Nikkor product you want to get and have the funding, don't wait too long.

Fred, since you're in the biz, maybe you know a Nikon rep that can confirm this?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 23, 2009, 08:07:09 am
Wow,  with economy in the crapper and companies going out of business due to no sales, sounds like a bad idea to raise prices. :shrug:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 23, 2009, 11:23:46 am
Yup. But it may have nothing to do with the " business" of Nikon. Since they're going to lose market share because of it. It's a huge hike.

It may have everything to do with "corporate business", excessive debt, high inventories

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on January 23, 2009, 12:33:20 pm
I guess buying Nikkor pro lenses could be somewhat considered an investment?  :shrug:  That is, if you keep them well maintained, in great condition, and not abuse them.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 23, 2009, 10:59:41 pm

FYI...There's rumor that Nikon will be raising their US prices as much as 20% on lenses, cameras, and accessories effective Feb.1st. I believe it's already gone up in Europe and Asia. So, if there's a Nikkor product you want to get and have the funding, don't wait too long.

Fred, since you're in the biz, maybe you know a Nikon rep that can confirm this?


If the owner knows anything, he is keeping mum on it. Generally I find things out when he comes down with a new price sheet for the books. I dont bother the rep with such things, though. Whatever the manufacturers do, it doesn't affect my personal bottom line.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 23, 2009, 11:01:37 pm

I guess buying Nikkor pro lenses could be somewhat considered an investment?  :shrug:  That is, if you keep them well maintained, in great condition, and not abuse them.


There are certain ones, much like Canon's "L" series that hold their value pretty well. While they all lose some value, it would be said that it was like having a very cheap rental due to the small amount of depreciation.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on January 23, 2009, 11:03:50 pm
If I were in charge of Nikon, I'd throw price increase rumors around all day long right now.  Can you think of a better way to get folks to run out and buy your product?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 23, 2009, 11:11:18 pm

If I were in charge of Nikon, I'd throw price increase rumors around all day long right now.  Can you think of a better way to get folks to run out and buy your product?


Canon has been one-upping that one. Advertising major specials and some parts being backordered with no ETA.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 24, 2009, 12:48:18 am
I hope it's not true. If they raise their prices on camera's, it'll make it that much harder for a guy like me to afford it, essentially pushing it out of my reach. It's practically there already. I can sorta justify spending close to $1k on a camera kit for my skills, when I have the money available. Much more than that though and I may as well just forget about it altogether.  :thumbsdown:

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on January 24, 2009, 01:04:38 am

I hope it's not true. If they raise their prices on camera's, it'll make it that much harder for a guy like me to afford it, essentially pushing it out of my reach. It's practically there already. I can sorta justify spending close to $1k on a camera kit for my skills, when I have the money available. Much more than that though and I may as well just forget about it altogether.  :thumbsdown:

Jeff


You can always get into used or refurbished equipment to start. Just be sure to deal with a reputable reseller. With some "pro style" lenses, they tend to hold their value over the years. Some even become legendary, like the 85mm f/1.4 Nikon prime.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 24, 2009, 09:44:30 am
Ok, here is what I have so far on the Nikon price increase. I asked the boss this morning and he said that its going to be about an 8-10 percent increase but I have no information as to what items , if its an across the board thing. If I have time, once I get more info I'll post it up.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on January 24, 2009, 11:19:56 am
It's not surprising if you look at what exchange rates have done in the last couple years.

http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=USDJPY=X#symbol=USDJPY=X;range=2y

Nor would it be surprising if Canon quickly did the same thing...


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 24, 2009, 04:17:31 pm

I hope it's not true. If they raise their prices on camera's, it'll make it that much harder for a guy like me to afford it, essentially pushing it out of my reach. It's practically there already. I can sorta justify spending close to $1k on a camera kit for my skills, when I have the money available. Much more than that though and I may as well just forget about it altogether.  :thumbsdown:

Jeff


Forget about it?

You can't............... you're infected.

Rags

 :D


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on January 24, 2009, 06:26:26 pm
Man... I been missin film lately.  Hmmmmmm...Maybe add an F5 to the bag  :)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: JReazor on January 24, 2009, 07:17:52 pm

Man... I been missin film lately.  Hmmmmmm...Maybe add an F5 to the bag  :)


Find something cool and old. These are the best cameras I've ever owned. Both were made long before I was born.

Nikon F (http://www.cameraquest.com/fhistory.htm) The only reason I don't have it any more is that it was stolen. I had a waist level finder for it. It was fantastic for tripod work in the field.

Leica IIIf (http://www.cosmonet.org/camera/leic3f_e.htm) I love the IIIf. It's quirky and a little temperamental but it is a beautiful piece of machinery. Making it work well is very satisfying. Like hustling an old BSA through a fast corner. I still have it and use it occasionally. That reminds me, I need to send it out to be cleaned.

I have to wonder how many of our digital cameras will still be in use 50 years from now.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 24, 2009, 08:06:25 pm

Man... I been missin film lately.  Hmmmmmm...Maybe add an F5 to the bag  :)


I'm considering an F100 if not an F5.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on January 24, 2009, 10:03:59 pm



Find something cool and old. These are the best cameras I've ever owned. Both were made long before I was born.

Nikon F (http://www.cameraquest.com/fhistory.htm) The only reason I don't have it any more is that it was stolen. I had a waist level finder for it. It was fantastic for tripod work in the field.

Leica IIIf (http://www.cosmonet.org/camera/leic3f_e.htm) I love the IIIf. It's quirky and a little temperamental but it is a beautiful piece of machinery. Making it work well is very satisfying. Like hustling an old BSA through a fast corner. I still have it and use it occasionally. That reminds me, I need to send it out to be cleaned.

I have to wonder how many of our digital cameras will still be in use 50 years from now.


Lovely suggestions.  Never owned an F.  But I still have to use what I own as daily tools.  The F5 will do nicely.  Digital is fine for the bulk of my stuff but their are quite a few of my shots that I know had they been made on film would have a whole 'nother dimension.  Film just has a different look than digital.  I'm missing it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: johnnyb on January 24, 2009, 10:04:42 pm



I'm considering an F100 if not an F5.


The F100 is a dandy camera.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 24, 2009, 10:39:57 pm
I just got this Sunpak 61.2" tripod from Best Buy (had a gift card).

(http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/8780/8780633_sa.jpg)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8780633&st=tripod&lp=7&type=product&cp=1&id=1204332501438

The first thing I noticed is that the leg braces aren't very sturdy. The camera easily moved around a bit when mounted. I'm curious... are all tripods in the $50 price range junk? The last tripod I had I used ONCE before it broke. The one before that I had for a few years, used it occasionally, then it broke.

How much money has to be spent to get a tripod that isn't a piece of crap?

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on January 24, 2009, 11:37:37 pm

I just got this Sunpak 61.2" tripod from Best Buy (had a gift card).

(http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/8780/8780633_sa.jpg)
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8780633&st=tripod&lp=7&type=product&cp=1&id=1204332501438

The first thing I noticed is that the leg braces aren't very sturdy. The camera easily moved around a bit when mounted. I'm curious... are all tripods in the $50 price range junk? The last tripod I had I used ONCE before it broke. The one before that I had for a few years, used it occasionally, then it broke.

How much money has to be spent to get a tripod that isn't a piece of crap?

Jeff


The short answer to your question is yes, they are all junk in that price range. They have to be built a certain way to fit that price point, so while it may look good, its anything but. Conversely, basing a purchase purely on price will always lead to disappointment at some level. A well constructed/engineered tripod, weight notwithstanding is just plain solid in feel.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 25, 2009, 12:44:44 am
I had a feeling I was gonna get what I paid for. My gift card was $50, so that's what I was trying to keep the cost down to. I'll probably return it though and get some computer stuff or something.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on January 25, 2009, 02:32:17 am

I had a feeling I was gonna get what I paid for. My gift card was $50, so that's what I was trying to keep the cost down to. I'll probably return it though and get some computer stuff or something.

Jeff


The sturdier ones can sometimes be heavier as well. It all depends on how much weight (camera+lens) and height you'll need. Of course, pricier ones will be made of lighter, yet sturdy, materials. Since you want to use that BB card you received, have you looked at the Manfrotto-Bogen tripod that some of the BB stores carry? I think it lists for around $140? It might be what you're looking for.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=8427053&st=tripod&lp=5&type=product&cp=1&id=1181832627252


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on January 25, 2009, 02:34:36 am



The sturdier ones can sometimes be heavier as well. It all depends on how much weight (camera+lens) and height you'll need. Of course, pricier ones will be made of lighter, yet sturdy, materials. Since you want to use that BB card you received, have you looked at the Manfrotto-Bogen tripod that some of the BB stores carry? I think it lists for around $140? It might be what you're looking for.


The only problem there is that I don't want to spend $90 more than my gift card. I was hoping to get something relatively decent for $50. I'll probably return the one I have and not worry about a tripod now. Maybe I'll run into a good, old used one somewhere. I'm not concerned much about weight right now. I don't plan on using it while on the bike or anything. It was just something I wanted to have around.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on January 25, 2009, 02:38:52 am
What does your typical setup (camera+lens) consist of? Maybe it's the tripod height setup that's throwing the balance off?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: JReazor on January 25, 2009, 02:40:52 am



The only problem there is that I don't want to spend $90 more than my gift card. I was hoping to get something relatively decent for $50. I'll probably return the one I have and not worry about a tripod now. Maybe I'll run into a good, old used one somewhere. I'm not concerned much about weight right now. I don't plan on using it while on the bike or anything. It was just something I wanted to have around.


You can get a nice little table top tripod for under $50.00.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on January 25, 2009, 11:56:05 am

I had a feeling I was gonna get what I paid for. My gift card was $50, so that's what I was trying to keep the cost down to. I'll probably return it though and get some computer stuff or something.

Jeff


What's the weight of your cam +heaviest lens and is it capable of handling that weight. It says capacity on the box.

I had a tripod like that for 18 months and it broke because of the equipment I piled on it. Those light weight tripods are nice for a bike.

Consider not spending a lot of $ until you begin with pro lenses, just my .02

BTW.. Tripod height is measured by the height of the legs plus the height of an extended stalk. The less of the stalk you use the more stable the tripod, if you're willing to bend a little that tripod may be adequate

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on January 26, 2009, 08:39:18 am

I had a feeling I was gonna get what I paid for. My gift card was $50, so that's what I was trying to keep the cost down to. I'll probably return it though and get some computer stuff or something.

Jeff


I bought their model 7575 ( I think  :headscratch: not home to check )  I have used all over the place with my 70-200 attached to my 30D with no problems. Very happy with my $79. purchase.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 08, 2009, 04:01:21 pm
San Francisco Chinese New Years Parade, they had a nice night... Year of the Ox

The kids were great.

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/469910560_NttFW-M.jpg)

http://ragspix.smugmug.com/gallery/7306769_zAZTJ#P-1-12

I had a chance to use my flash stuff (didn't need anything more than cam light)

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 10, 2009, 03:54:27 pm
A night shot of the other bridge in San Francisco

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/471020334_cACqa-M.jpg)

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on February 11, 2009, 12:36:19 am
Very well done!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Bain Dramage on February 18, 2009, 12:23:08 pm
How about this offering from Cannon?

http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=2590&modelid=18332

I have had a few Cannons, and I love thier optics and photo quality.  This might make a terrific bike-mounted camera as well.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 22, 2009, 12:48:56 pm
Just got it about 10 minutes ago. Shot it with my phone. WTF did you want me to shoot it with????????  ;)




Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 22, 2009, 02:25:15 pm
Good luck.

Nice cam, everybody who has one loves it.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 23, 2009, 01:04:37 am

Good luck.

Nice cam, everybody who has one loves it.

Rags


So far just goofing around I'm utterly amazed by its capabilities. My favorite feature (Beyond the obvious low light sensitivity and full frame chip) so far is the dual CF slots being able to function as a parallel recording system - Writing the images to two cards at once to insure against data loss when the inevitable card "blowout" happens.

While I'm completely enamored with my D300 and plan on keeping it as not only a backup but also a secondary. Sometimes the advantages of a DX sensor when it comes to extreme telephoto work cant be beat.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on February 23, 2009, 02:44:14 am
Congrats on your acquisition of the D3, Fred. :bigok: Now, you have to go for the "holy trinity" collection of Nikon zoom lenses...the 14-24, 24-70, and 70-200. :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 23, 2009, 02:50:35 am

Congrats on your acquisition of the D3, Fred. :bigok: Now, you have to go for the "holy trinity" collection of Nikon zoom lenses...the 14-24, 24-70, and 70-200. :lol:


In a few weeks I just might have the 24-70 and I already have the 80-200 2.8. Dont know if I'll actually have a use for the 14-24 even though it could be fun. I'm also heavily investing in strobes (Elinchrom) and the requisite ancillary gear (Softboxes, stands and such) for a major project I'm getting started on as well as some commercial work I've got coming up.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 23, 2009, 11:30:11 am



In a few weeks I just might have the 24-70 and I already have the 80-200 2.8. Dont know if I'll actually have a use for the 14-24 even though it could be fun. I'm also heavily investing in strobes (Elinchrom) and the requisite ancillary gear (Softboxes, stands and such) for a major project I'm getting started on as well as some commercial work I've got coming up.


I have a cheap Sigma 10-20 that is a good DX lens that's pretty good. I tried it on my D700 and at 10mm I had a shadow circle similar to vignetting, leaving only the  DX box intact in the viewfinder.

Yup keep your DX, for fps & reach. I'm beginning to get used to the flexibility of changing cameras for reach (D90 - D700).

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Scoop on February 23, 2009, 12:20:42 pm

Just got it about 10 minutes ago. Shot it with my phone. WTF did you want me to shoot it with????????  ;)



Just use the self timer, then turn the camera around fast.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 23, 2009, 01:04:06 pm
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on February 23, 2009, 05:04:57 pm



Just use the self timer, then turn the camera around fast.


Or self-timer and mirror...  Rookie  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on February 23, 2009, 06:56:01 pm



Or self-timer and mirror...  Rookie  :lol:


Just remember to turn the flash off or you'll temporarily blind yourself.  :crazy:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on February 23, 2009, 09:20:42 pm

Now, you have to go for the "holy trinity" collection of Nikon zoom lenses...the 14-24, 24-70, and 70-200. :lol:


Whoa, we actually have two of those three at work - the 14-24 and 24-70.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 25, 2009, 09:26:34 am
I dont know if anybody has head about this but Ritz Camera (The F00ktards of the retail camera industry) has gone Chapter 11. They owe Nikon around 26 mil.
http://www.dpreview.com/news/0902/09022403ritzcameras.asp



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 25, 2009, 11:34:28 am
Yeah

I'm wondering if that's part of the reason that Nikon USA have those steep price increases

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 25, 2009, 11:53:48 am

Yeah

I'm wondering if that's part of the reason that Nikon USA have those steep price increases

Rags


Good question, but I doubt it for one main reason. I cant imagine Ritz being able to keep that kind of thing a secret for that long. Most at the dealer level were aware of the upcoming price increases at least a month before they were announced.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 25, 2009, 12:32:38 pm
That may be true. However this size receivable builds over time & doesn't happen overnight (26 mill divided by the value of how many D300s?). Maybe NikUSA made demands for payment that Ritz couldn't provide and that could have caused the Chap 11.

These relationships are pretty complicated.

my .02

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 25, 2009, 12:48:31 pm

That may be true. However this size receivable builds over time & doesn't happen overnight (26 mill divided by the value of how many D300s?). Maybe NikUSA made demands for payment that Ritz couldn't provide and that could have caused the Chap 11.

These relationships are pretty complicated.

my .02

Rags


That would make both Ritz and Nikon (Canon for their part in it as well) almost equally culpable. The suppliers for continually shipping product to a dealer that wont pay and the dealer who wont/cant pay, demanding more product to sell. Sooner or later the snake eating its own tail gets to its head.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on February 25, 2009, 02:16:03 pm
Yup...

You can list the banks with mortgages as well and on & on... It's the world we live in (for better or worse).

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on February 25, 2009, 06:57:41 pm

Yup...

You can list the banks with mortgages as well and on & on... It's the world we live in (for better or worse).

Rags


Fer shoore!


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Rabidsnipe on March 02, 2009, 03:11:15 pm
So I’ve been lurking on the whole DSLR thing for quite a while.  Now that we’ve found out that my wife has passed her CPA we’re on our way to Bonaire this summer.  We had been thinking about a DSLR for quite a while and the thinking had been that when/if we took our first big vacation since our honeymoon, that would be the time to take the plunge.  So it looks like I’m officially out of just browsing and into actually shopping :bigok:

So I’d like to get some suggestions from you more photo-adept STN members (because here at STN we have opinion about everything.  First, a little bit about what me and what I enjoy shooting.  I took a little bit of photography in high school and shot with a Canon AE-1 (I think that is the correct model name).  I really enjoyed playing with all the features of the camera to achieve a certain effect and had a great time.  Whenever Jennifer and I take a trip somewhere, I inevitably end up taking a whole crap load of pictures of various things we visit (Smithsonian Air & Space Museum, caves, waterfalls, are just some things that come to mind).

Right now my picture taking consists primarily photos while on trips (both motorcycle and otherwise) and around the house.  On trips it is often landscapes, museums, or various wildlife (like at a zoo or other exhibit not nature photography).  It also will include some “portrait” work: indoor shots of family members at Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc.  I also often take pictures around the house, specifically of our dog.  We also have a 100 gallon fish tank that I’ve always wanted to get some good shots of but have never had a camera with a fast enough lens and/or good enough NR to get a crisp shot without using a flash.   I currently have an SD1000 & SD550 P&S cameras that handle all of my photo duties.  Right now I don’t really spend much time shooting any action (other than moving motorcycles).

My budget (for everything: body, lens, bag, filters, etc. software does not need to be included in this cost) is realistically about $1800.  Further, I have a significant interest in making the purchased package as approachable as possible for my wife without it being overly complicated.  For this reason I’ve been really leaning towards the Nikon D90 paired with the Nikon 18-200 MM lens.  When I compared the Nikon to the Canon 40D & 50D in Best Buy, I really felt that the controls and the like worked better (for me) on the Nikon.  Plus, the live view functionality really seemed like it would make the transition for my wife easier.  She is used to using the LCD screen to take shots on a P&S and I really think that would go a long way towards her accepting it for use.  The 18-200 lens seems to get great reviews for a “walkaround” lens.  I realize that it has some short comings, but for my intent I think it would make a great first lens.  Plus, I don’t really want to have to explain lens changes to my wife when she’s trying to use it for the first time (not that it’s hard, but I just want it to be as seamless a process as possible).

So then what do you think of that package?  D90 w/ Nikon 18-200 MM lens? I’m really looking for more commentary on my choice of lens with the body than actually offering up different body suggestions as I’m pretty much sold on the D90 and its feature-set/operation.  Or should I drop the lens quality a bit in order to pick up a flash?  I really want to be setup nicely for our trip to Bonaire.  I imagine we’ll be doing a lot of landscape shots with less of an emphasis on people (we’re going with just the two of us and intend on keeping it that way).  We’ve already got an underwater housing for use with the SD550 that we were happy with while diving in Key West.  But I’d really like to be able to capture some memorable shots of the island while we’re there.  Should the first lens be the nice walkaround with some compromises, a faster lens with less zoom, or maybe a lesser lens with a separate flash?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 02, 2009, 03:41:23 pm
Holy crap everybody goes Nikon  :crazy: Am I the only Canon shooter here?? :headscratch: The thing I learn from owning a DSLR is don't skimp on the good stuff, you will see it in your photos buying a lower level lens and such. If you can't afford what you want save your money till you can get it. Its well worth the wait on the end product. When I first started out I bought the cheap lenses and boy what a disappointment they were. You just end up reselling them and buying the better stuff later losing more money. I do in fact like the New Nikons better then what Canon has put out. If I had to get a Canon it would be a Canon 5D or the 5D mark II.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: kurtw on March 02, 2009, 05:07:08 pm

Holy crap everybody goes Nikon  :crazy: Am I the only Canon shooter here?? :headscratch: The thing I learn from owning a DSLR is don't skimp on the good stuff, you will see it in your photos buying a lower level lens and such. If you can't afford what you want save your money till you can get it. Its well worth the wait on the end product. When I first started out I bought the cheap lenses and boy what a disappointment they were. You just end up reselling them and buying the better stuff later losing more money. I do in fact like the New Nikons better then what Canon has put out. If I had to get a Canon it would be a Canon 5D or the 5D mark II.


I'm still shooting Canon and added a 50D not too long ago. I considered saving up for a 5Dm2 but for my action requirements the 50D was a better fit.  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Rabidsnipe on March 02, 2009, 05:34:18 pm

The thing I learn from owning a DSLR is don't skimp on the good stuff, you will see it in your photos buying a lower level lens and such. If you can't afford what you want save your money till you can get it. Its well worth the wait on the end product.


Help me understand what you're trying to tell me.  Are you saying that I should wait to but a better lens until I can afford it?



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on March 02, 2009, 09:33:04 pm
Another Canon shooter chiming in.  It sounds like you're willing to accept the limitations of the 18-200 mm as a vacation lens.  Here is a review of this lens:

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/250/cat/13

Ken Rockwell is a big fan of the Nikon SB-400 flash.  It's pretty inexpensive and the built-in flashes usually have limited range so this may be a worthwhile purchase.  It's very compact as well.

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/sb400.htm


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 03, 2009, 12:31:08 am



Help me understand what you're trying to tell me.  Are you saying that I should wait to but a better lens until I can afford it?



I am just giving you my thoughts due to the mistakes I have done when first starting out by buying the cheap budget lenses.



Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Rabidsnipe on March 03, 2009, 07:11:16 am
I think maybe I should rephrase my question after reading those reviews of that particular lens.  I think I might have come across as someone who thinks he knows everything when, in fact, he has little knowledge.

I'll be the first to admit that I am essentially a complete noob to DSLR photography.  I've got a trip to Bonaire coming up this summer that I would like to have a DSLR to capture images with.  The SD550 serves underwater duty in an Canon underwater housing.  The SD1000 has some sort of perma-fuzz (reduced sharpness over the right hand portion of the frame) that the Best Buy factory hasn't been able to eliminate and tells me is "within spec" for the camera.

In my previous research I had pretty much settled on the Nikon D90.  This was based on lots of review reading but also on some hands on experience and comparing the camera to the Canon's side by side.  My reasoning for going with the D90 a opposed the the D80 was primarily the Live View.

So given my budget constraints ($1800) and my desire to have a camera for the trip this summer and my choice of body (D90) what lenses should I be considering?  Many of the reviews that doodah posted mentioned they ended up taking the 18-200 back or selling it because they were unwilling to live with its shortcomings.  Many of the press reviews seemed to downplay this issues but apparently it was a bigger deal than they made it out to be.  Alternatively, what lenses would become an option to consider if I were to go with a D80 as opposed to the D90?

Thanks again for your input.  


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on March 03, 2009, 09:46:39 pm

I think maybe I should rephrase my question after reading those reviews of that particular lens.  I think I might have come across as someone who thinks he knows everything when, in fact, he has little knowledge.

I'll be the first to admit that I am essentially a complete noob to DSLR photography.  I've got a trip to Bonaire coming up this summer that I would like to have a DSLR to capture images with.  The SD550 serves underwater duty in an Canon underwater housing.  The SD1000 has some sort of perma-fuzz (reduced sharpness over the right hand portion of the frame) that the Best Buy factory hasn't been able to eliminate and tells me is "within spec" for the camera.

In my previous research I had pretty much settled on the Nikon D90.  This was based on lots of review reading but also on some hands on experience and comparing the camera to the Canon's side by side.  My reasoning for going with the D90 a opposed the the D80 was primarily the Live View.

So given my budget constraints ($1800) and my desire to have a camera for the trip this summer and my choice of body (D90) what lenses should I be considering?  Many of the reviews that doodah posted mentioned they ended up taking the 18-200 back or selling it because they were unwilling to live with its shortcomings.  Many of the press reviews seemed to downplay this issues but apparently it was a bigger deal than they made it out to be.  Alternatively, what lenses would become an option to consider if I were to go with a D80 as opposed to the D90?

Thanks again for your input.  


Skip your primary reason for the D90.  The live mode really doesn't do much but eat up your battery.  Having used both, I saw no advantage to the 'live view' mode; especially since your image alteration inputs are not visible on the screen; you're just getting a a bigger, less precise, view of what you see through the viewfinder.  

Honestly, after having extensively reviewed the photos from the D90 vs the D80, the D80 is superior across the board.  Even when I look at the images in various reviews and compare them the D80 still comes out on top.  I'd much rather bite the bullet and jump to a D300 than to choose a D90 over the D80.  

Just my personal thoughts after having used both quite a bit under every condition I could expose them to.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on March 04, 2009, 01:05:15 am
Let me first say that I am NOT speaking from experience here. I too am jonesing for a DSLR, but am still in the just browsing mode.

Don't forget the D90 has HD video capability over the D80. Might be important to you, might not be.

Just today I was looking at ebay at various cameras (D80, D90, Canon XSI, 40D) and there are a handful of sellers who offer packages that include just a ton of stuff. Body, lenses, tripods, filters, cleaning kits, cases... all in one package. I don't know the quality of the items in the kits, or how good some of these dealers are (how reputable, if they're authorized, etc), but the prices sure looked pretty good. Here's one of them (I'm not affiliated in any way) http://stores.ebay.com/Get-It-Digital

I'd think for $1800 you should be able to get a great setup.

And I'd buy now and spend all spring getting used to the camera and how it functions, opposed to waiting just a few weeks before your trip and learning while you're there.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 04, 2009, 01:27:24 am

Let me first say that I am NOT speaking from experience here. I too am jonesing for a DSLR, but am still in the just browsing mode.

Don't forget the D90 has HD video capability over the D80. Might be important to you, might not be.

Just today I was looking at ebay at various cameras (D80, D90, Canon XSI, 40D) and there are a handful of sellers who offer packages that include just a ton of stuff. Body, lenses, tripods, filters, cleaning kits, cases... all in one package. I don't know the quality of the items in the kits, or how good some of these dealers are (how reputable, if they're authorized, etc), but the prices sure looked pretty good. Here's one of them (I'm not affiliated in any way) http://stores.ebay.com/Get-It-Digital

I'd think for $1800 you should be able to get a great setup.

And I'd buy now and spend all spring getting used to the camera and how it functions, opposed to waiting just a few weeks before your trip and learning while you're there.

Jeff


Jeff, Kudos for getting the info, but you missed some important facts-

Just looked at that whole setup and here is a little info:

Bower Flash- Pure crap. Junk. Bower is one of those generic names that you'll find on anything photographic from lens caps whose release mechanisms fall apart after about 12 uses to lens paper to cheap wrist straps that couldn't hold a bubble to....well you get it.

"Shock Proof" SLR backpack? Even the most reputable soft bag manufacturers try to avoid such descriptions.

Mini Travel Tripod: It wouldn't hold the D90 with most lenses, and never with the 70-300. Its about 4 inches tall and works great for P&S cameras.

SLR Wide Strap- Most likely means that they remove the Nikon brand strap that comes with the camera and substitute some cheap piece of crap.

Nikon "Start Up Battery": No such thing. It should be the En-EL3e battery.

Nikon Charger: Should be the MH-18a Quick Charger.

Oh and one last thing: Get It Digital is NOT an authorized Nikon Dealer, which means that should warranty work ever be needed on a camera bought through them, Nikon wont honor it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: throttlemeister on March 04, 2009, 03:49:46 am

Let me first say that I am NOT speaking from experience here. I too am jonesing for a DSLR, but am still in the just browsing mode.

Don't forget the D90 has HD video capability over the D80. Might be important to you, might not be.

Just today I was looking at ebay at various cameras (D80, D90, Canon XSI, 40D) and there are a handful of sellers who offer packages that include just a ton of stuff. Body, lenses, tripods, filters, cleaning kits, cases... all in one package. I don't know the quality of the items in the kits, or how good some of these dealers are (how reputable, if they're authorized, etc), but the prices sure looked pretty good. Here's one of them (I'm not affiliated in any way) http://stores.ebay.com/Get-It-Digital

I'd think for $1800 you should be able to get a great setup.

And I'd buy now and spend all spring getting used to the camera and how it functions, opposed to waiting just a few weeks before your trip and learning while you're there.

Jeff

I am willing to bet these guys are located in Brooklyn, NY. Do not, and I mean not ever buy stuff over the internet from a Brooklyn camera store, unless you want to get hosed. Do a google search on "Brooklyn camera scam". Forget the ratings, they are easily faked.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on March 04, 2009, 06:49:50 am

Let me first say that I am NOT speaking from experience here. I too am jonesing for a DSLR, but am still in the just browsing mode.

Don't forget the D90 has HD video capability over the D80. Might be important to you, might not be.


I was crazy about that feature... until I used it.  You can't pan with the video; right in the instruction manual it says that unless you pan very slowly, you'll cause the video to de-synch due to capture rate (so you'll tend to have the top of your image appear to move left if you pan right).  I found that you had to move quite slowly to avoid this situation; too slowly for practical video use.  Also, you can't autofocus when video recording.  Overall, I was disappointed by the whole video thing.  I realized that even a moderately priced video camera just flat works better everywhere if you're wanting to do video.  Think of it as a bonus 'gee-whiz' item instead of a true benefit from this camera.  

I don't think it's the last time you'll see video on DSLRs; in fact, I'd be surprised if you didn't see this on all of the new models within the next 2 years.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on March 05, 2009, 01:10:42 am
Ahhh... all things that experience proves right or wrong versus speculation on my part. I knew all these things were worth looking into, and the more experienced among us would shed some light on.

Looks like I'll stick with the typical buying channels when it comes time to actually buy instead of browse.

My past buying experience (two different cameras over a couple year period) were purchased at Beach Camera. Their prices are good, and I have had no problems with them. Thankfully I've had no problems with the cameras, so no warranty issues to deal with.

BUT, I did just find the other day on Best Buy's website, Nikon D200 bodies are going for $600 shipped. Good deal or no? That's what we have at my work... it's a good camera.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 05, 2009, 08:07:20 am
Hey Jeff if I copied this right heres the thread on the D200.

https://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,36474.0.html

Jeff look at this add I don't know if the lenses are good but this could be interesting,

http://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/pho/1060382518.html


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 05, 2009, 08:41:32 am
Took the bike to Bikeweek & went to the dogs

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/485568605_RgM3K-M.jpg)

tonite dirttrack.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 05, 2009, 08:42:56 am
Nice torags, that is a great action shot.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 05, 2009, 11:32:46 am

Took the bike to Bikeweek & went to the dogs

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/485568605_RgM3K-M.jpg)

tonite dirttrack.

Rags


GREAT FRAKKING SHOT! Now the particulars, please! Body, lens, settings, etc........


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on March 05, 2009, 12:20:58 pm

I think maybe I should rephrase my question after reading those reviews of that particular lens.  I think I might have come across as someone who thinks he knows everything when, in fact, he has little knowledge.

I'll be the first to admit that I am essentially a complete noob to DSLR photography.  I've got a trip to Bonaire coming up this summer that I would like to have a DSLR to capture images with.  The SD550 serves underwater duty in an Canon underwater housing.  The SD1000 has some sort of perma-fuzz (reduced sharpness over the right hand portion of the frame) that the Best Buy factory hasn't been able to eliminate and tells me is "within spec" for the camera.

In my previous research I had pretty much settled on the Nikon D90.  This was based on lots of review reading but also on some hands on experience and comparing the camera to the Canon's side by side.  My reasoning for going with the D90 a opposed the the D80 was primarily the Live View.

So given my budget constraints ($1800) and my desire to have a camera for the trip this summer and my choice of body (D90) what lenses should I be considering?  Many of the reviews that doodah posted mentioned they ended up taking the 18-200 back or selling it because they were unwilling to live with its shortcomings.  Many of the press reviews seemed to downplay this issues but apparently it was a bigger deal than they made it out to be.  Alternatively, what lenses would become an option to consider if I were to go with a D80 as opposed to the D90?

Thanks again for your input.  


OK, now back to Rabidsnipe's original question. I would suggest checking out this great website for info on anything NIkon: http://www.nikonians.org. They have all sorts of dedicated sub-forums that are very informative. As far as buying online, make sure to check http://www.resellerratings.com and http://www.bbb.org for ratings and complaints on the companies before you buy. Cheaper than average Nikon listings on vendor sites are a good indicator that the items are either "gray" or imported goods. Here in the US, if it's not an official Nikon USA product, the warranty will not be honored by Nikon USA. They will not even repair the product if it's outside the warranty coverage either. Reputable vendors such as B&H Photo Video list and sell both Nikon USA and Nikon imported products. There's usually a price different of a few dollars between the two types; the imports being slightly cheaper. Check with Nikon's website for authorized dealer listings.

Now as far as the DSLR, I'd personally would go with the D80 body only and pair it with the Nikon 18-200 DX VR. It's great walkaround lens/DSLR combo. You just need to be aware of the minor lens creep associated with this lens. With the money saved by not getting the D90, get the Nikon 50mm f/1.8D prime lens for indoor and nighttime shots. It's a great bargain at around $120. I'd also suggest getting a travel flash such as the Nikon SB-400 for about the same price. Good luck on your search and let us know which combo you end up getting.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 05, 2009, 02:18:14 pm



GREAT FRAKKING SHOT! Now the particulars, please! Body, lens, settings, etc........


D700 - 70/200. I found I need SS750 when they're coming at me, but SS1000 when they start breaking into the turn, to stop the paws. (0 EV).

I couldn't see in my LCD that the sand was throwing that much glare & with vivid on, the dynamic range was not spot on, I'll try again on Sat with a little less EV

Here is the rest of the album. (jeeze I love the dogs)

http://ragspix.smugmug.com/gallery/7518565_Dbn8F#P-1-12


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Rabidsnipe on March 05, 2009, 03:52:17 pm

Now as far as the DSLR, I'd personally would go with the D80 body only and pair it with the Nikon 18-200 DX VR. It's great walkaround lens/DSLR combo. You just need to be aware of the minor lens creep associated with this lens. With the money saved by not getting the D90, get the Nikon 50mm f/1.8D prime lens for indoor and nighttime shots. It's a great bargain at around $120. I'd also suggest getting a travel flash such as the Nikon SB-400 for about the same price. Good luck on your search and let us know which combo you end up getting.

What is it about the D90 that makes it not worth the cost?  I admit that I’m tempted to go with the D80 because of the cost but I feel like I’d be losing out on some features.  As far as I can tell, reasons to go with the D90 are (off the top of my head):
1.   3D auto-focus feature (for better motion tracking)
2.   Higher FPS
3.   More color control features
4.   Movie capability (albeit limited in usefulness)
5.   Live view
6.   ADR
7.   Larger LCD screen
8.   Sensor cleaner

According to Ken Rockwell it is “worlds beyond” the D80.  So am I just overly concerned with features that I’ll never use?  


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 05, 2009, 04:17:05 pm


What is it about the D90 that makes it not worth the cost?  I admit that I’m tempted to go with the D80 because of the cost but I feel like I’d be losing out on some features.  As far as I can tell, reasons to go with the D90 are (off the top of my head):
1.   3D auto-focus feature (for better motion tracking)
2.   Higher FPS
3.   More color control features
4.   Movie capability (albeit limited in usefulness)
5.   Live view
6.   ADR
7.   Larger LCD screen
8.   Sensor cleaner

According to Ken Rockwell it is “worlds beyond” the D80.  So am I just overly concerned with features that I’ll never use?  



The D90 also shares the legendary low light sensetivity of the D300. That in itself can be a great thing.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Rabidsnipe on March 05, 2009, 04:20:47 pm
After reading more reviews of the D90 I now see that the movie functionality is useless to me.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on March 05, 2009, 06:21:43 pm


What is it about the D90 that makes it not worth the cost?  I admit that I’m tempted to go with the D80 because of the cost but I feel like I’d be losing out on some features.  As far as I can tell, reasons to go with the D90 are (off the top of my head):
1.   3D auto-focus feature (for better motion tracking)
2.   Higher FPS
3.   More color control features
4.   Movie capability (albeit limited in usefulness)
5.   Live view
6.   ADR
7.   Larger LCD screen
8.   Sensor cleaner

According to Ken Rockwell it is “worlds beyond” the D80.  So am I just overly concerned with features that I’ll never use?  



I had a D80.  Broke it.  Had BB replace it with a D90.  Went back to the D80.

I simply could not get the D90 to produce images as good as the D80 does.  The D90 is a better instrument, but I wasn't buying a camera to tell folks about how incredible the camera was, I was buying a camera to take beautiful photos.  The D80 does. The D90 doesn't, for some reason.  The D90, on paper, trounces the D80 everywhere.  In reality, that just isn't the case.

YMMV

I never regretted spending too much money on the D80.  I did regret, in short order, opting for the D90 over the D80.  I have never regretted going back to the D80.

However you did list some specific things:

My D80 does the 3D thing

True, higher FPS, but... all the images coming out of it were compromised.  Did side-by-side shots with exactly the same settings and lenses and the D90 gave me more images, but all were lower quality (grainy, delineated, etc).

More color control features really aren't useful; the D80 offers quite a few, and even more important, the D80 captures much richer color than the D90 does.  

Movies... whatever.  You won't ever use it.  Lord knows I tried; it always sucked unless the camera was still on a tripod.  Worthless.

Live view.  Yup, the D90 has it.  Good for wasting battery life.  I never used it over the viewfinder.  The D80 can zoom WAY in on your image.  I honestly couldn't see any difference between the clarity of the D80 and D90 screens.  I guess the larger screen on the D90 is nice, but to me, just more to scratch up.  I didn't find any distinct advantage.

Sensor cleaner.  I was nearly certain the D80 did too, though.  I could be wrong, I need to check.  It hasn't been an issue.  I did kind of worry about the 'autocleaner' function... just seemed like one too many things to create a larger problem later.

Larger CCD.  I don't print huge posters, usually.  I did, however, print some posters of my son's guitar in B&W for his room.  They were 3x2 (feet) prints.  Came out just fine without any compromise of image quality.  Even yet, if you're worried about image quality, I have to point out yet again that the images are simply superior on the D80.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on March 05, 2009, 06:46:43 pm
Bottom line is YOU need to be happy with your purchase. Do read up on the Pros and Cons of both models and decide for yourself. Since you've never used either model for comparison, you'll never really know if you've made the right purchase.  :crazy:  :lol:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 05, 2009, 07:06:55 pm
And don't forget. Two months after you buy it, they will announce a better unit with more advanced features for less.

rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 05, 2009, 07:19:01 pm

After reading more reviews of the D90 I now see that the movie functionality is useless to me.


Its nothing more than a convenience feature put there to entice more customers to drop money on the product.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on March 06, 2009, 12:36:17 am
OK, next topic...advanced P&S cameras. I've been looking into the Canon G10 lately. Canon's P&S line seem to be better, especially the advanced models. Anyone have the G10 out there yet?


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 06, 2009, 03:27:45 am

OK, next topic...advanced P&S cameras. I've been looking into the Canon G10 lately. Canon's P&S line seem to be better, especially the advanced models. Anyone have the G10 out there yet?


It was one of the ones I considered before buying my Leica. Its an excellent camera.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Rabidsnipe on March 06, 2009, 09:01:31 am
Thanks for the input guys.  I still haven't made up my mind.  With a little negotiation I've expanded the budget a little bit but I'm still not sure which body I'll be going with.  

However I think I've decided to go with the 18/200 VR lens and SB600 flash for starters.  The 18/200 VR lens because I think it'll be a great lens as a travel lens.  The SB600 because it can be remotely triggered with the D90 or D80 and I think that would be fun to play with.  If I pick up another lens it'll probably be a 50mm/1.4 or 1.8 depending on which body I get.  Thanks again for the input.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 06, 2009, 09:19:02 am

Thanks for the input guys.  I still haven't made up my mind.  With a little negotiation I've expanded the budget a little bit but I'm still not sure which body I'll be going with.  

However I think I've decided to go with the 18/200 VR lens and SB600 flash for starters.  The 18/200 VR lens because I think it'll be a great lens as a travel lens.  The SB600 because it can be remotely triggered with the D90 or D80 and I think that would be fun to play with.  If I pick up another lens it'll probably be a 50mm/1.4 or 1.8 depending on which body I get.  Thanks again for the input.


Good choice. I have a friend who travels with a D300 and the 18-200 exclusively and loves it.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 06, 2009, 12:19:37 pm
I agree, good choice

I would dismiss the 50 1.4, since you have to step it up because of IQ and sliver DOF. So why pay more when the 50 1.8 can be perceivably the same

Some dirt track from last nite. Ugly conditions; 350 images 45 keepers ( and they're not that good)

Dust by 3rd lap made shots unusable. Had to shot at iso2200 which made cropping difficult. And Oh, I had to shoot THRU a cyclone fence (no panning possible)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/486147260_F6Kdm-M.jpg)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/486147171_nWa6a-M.jpg)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/486147274_tcgPi-M.jpg)

Tonite Superbikes, starts at 8pm, faster speeds, hope the lighting is better.....

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Avigar on March 06, 2009, 12:42:31 pm

Thanks for the input guys.  I still haven't made up my mind.  With a little negotiation I've expanded the budget a little bit but I'm still not sure which body I'll be going with.  

However I think I've decided to go with the 18/200 VR lens and SB600 flash for starters.  The 18/200 VR lens because I think it'll be a great lens as a travel lens.  The SB600 because it can be remotely triggered with the D90 or D80 and I think that would be fun to play with.  If I pick up another lens it'll probably be a 50mm/1.4 or 1.8 depending on which body I get.  Thanks again for the input.


Good choice on the 18/200 and SB-600 for starters. Welcome to the world of Nikon.  :inlove: Let us know which body you end up getting later.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on March 06, 2009, 01:55:19 pm

I agree, good choice

I would dismiss the 50 1.4, since you have to step it up because of IQ and sliver DOF. So why pay more when the 50 1.8 can be perceivably the same

Some dirt track from last nite. Ugly conditions; 350 images 45 keepers ( and they're not that good)

Dust by 3rd lap made shots unusable. Had to shot at iso2200 which made cropping difficult. And Oh, I had to shoot THRU a cyclone fence (no panning possible)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/486147260_F6Kdm-M.jpg)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/486147171_nWa6a-M.jpg)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/486147274_tcgPi-M.jpg)

Tonite Superbikes, starts at 8pm, faster speeds, hope the lighting is better.....

Rags


These are cool shots, regardless of the problems you experienced.

Will you be shooting MotoST? If you do, see if you can get a shot of bike #70, a black Buell 1125R in the MotoGT class. Paul James is one of the riders; the crew chief Mike is a buddy of mine. I actually helped out and did a bit of prep work on the bike.

Thanks,
Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 06, 2009, 06:00:16 pm
I'll try Jeff

Its going to be a challenge tonight. They purportedly have enoght lights to produce the second coming. But that gives challenges to photogs with fill light, since lights from above shadow the riders.

I think I missed the motogp, the sportbikes are at 8pm

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Johnny Monsoon on March 06, 2009, 06:44:02 pm

OK, next topic...advanced P&S cameras. I've been looking into the Canon G10 lately. Canon's P&S line seem to be better, especially the advanced models. Anyone have the G10 out there yet?


The only 'advanced' P&S camera I've ever had that remotely rivaled my DSLR is the Kodak line.  They are very underrated cameras with pretty advanced optics and CCDs.  The easyshare docks are fantastic too.  The only issue I really had with the one I got was that the autofocus could never make up its mind and never agreed with me.  The ones I've played with in the stores tell me that this issue has been resolved (or I got a lemon).  


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 16, 2009, 01:09:47 pm
Some from the Daytona 200, shoot thru a 2 1/2" cyclone fence at night (not many keepers), one shooting site

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492678304_CMqCS-M.jpg)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492677989_TimWN-M.jpg)

Some from Supercross

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492639905_3fkfv-M.jpg)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492637709_hcJJ5-M.jpg)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492648376_iirqS-M.jpg)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492648310_8WGV3-M.jpg)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492642299_7voKC-M.jpg)

Daylight shot

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492651084_bdebL-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jeff on March 17, 2009, 10:01:13 pm
Really cool torags! Especially the SX ones.

Jeff


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 18, 2009, 08:51:21 am
Nice torags.  :thumbsup:    


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 19, 2009, 09:38:27 am
We dont have anywhere near the action you've got by you, rags. Great stuff.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 19, 2009, 10:16:50 am

We dont have anywhere near the action you've got by you, rags. Great stuff.


 :lol: "by me?"...  Hell I had to travel over 3,000 miles to get it.. I did a coast to coast & back with my Beemer...

 :D

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 19, 2009, 12:23:31 pm
 :crazy:   You the man.   :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 19, 2009, 01:21:09 pm
I visited Antelope Canyon on the way home. I was very disappointed. The March sun is low, the canyon narrow and deep, so only the top 10'-15' was lit with orange rock, while the lower 20' was black shadow. The hall colors were unlit and mud color. It was crowded even now (off season) and frankly not worth the effort (imho)

This is a La Strada series (after all this is a sport touring site)

I10 in Alabama?? at daybreak
(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492828651_3tLTU-M.jpg)
It can get crowded before sunrise on the road
(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492825510_SRKEE-M.jpg)
The beach St Augustine
(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492827028_euKPq-M.jpg)
Sunset somewhere in Louisianna (I think)
(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492825441_icPPj-M.jpg)
West Texas
(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492825695_izVoR-M.jpg)
(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492825467_HAM5S-M.jpg)
The old man checking it out. I used my helmet and leather glove as a tripod and timed shutter on Live View (LCD).
(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492825608_VhE9C-M.jpg)
River walk, San Antonio, TX
(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492825657_8z3Qv-M.jpg)
Moonset on the road
(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492825768_9xUzc-M.jpg)
Death Valley, pretty mystical
(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/493529819_vZDEr-M.jpg)
Moonset
(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/493529955_2HWoz-M.jpg)
Goddamn foot prints
(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/493718141_TQJcQ-M.jpg)
Handheld 300mm on DX; setting moon - Death Valley
(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/493717966_uSEmv-M.jpg)
(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492830587_nEqBv-M.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 19, 2009, 01:57:31 pm



 :lol: "by me?"...  Hell I had to travel over 3,000 miles to get it.. I did a coast to coast & back with my Beemer...

 :D

Rags


Well, ya still have too much cool stuff going on near ya  :p


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 22, 2009, 08:19:06 pm
Couple of photos from last nights shoot.

Old pinup style vintage look.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/0350copy.jpg)

JEM rockin the Joe Rocket jacket.
(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y133/Photonut1/0280copy.jpg)


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 22, 2009, 08:40:30 pm
Hey Joe, you're coming along real good.

Nice vintage shot

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 22, 2009, 08:49:59 pm
Thanks torags  


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 27, 2009, 03:58:15 pm
Colonoscopy .... no..no..no... Antelope Canyon, AZ (bad time of year)

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/492661623_yPtXC-M.jpg)

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: doodah man on March 29, 2009, 11:14:47 pm
That's a beautiful shot Rags.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on March 30, 2009, 09:49:33 am
Nice torags.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Thunder7 on March 30, 2009, 10:14:07 am
Yep. Nice one.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on March 30, 2009, 12:36:57 pm
My obligatory post..   ;)

when I see no posts for a week or so, I post something. I like the thread and want to give it a bump.

Rags


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: Jules on April 01, 2009, 07:44:36 am
I like this thread as well torags, so my contribution is something I shot in the wild last Saturday.

(http://tarsnakes.smugmug.com/photos/501015888_bbQtP-L.jpg)

Three weeks ago

(http://tarsnakes.smugmug.com/photos/497147949_h5An4-L.jpg)

Cheers

jules.


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: CBRXXBLACKBIRD on April 01, 2009, 08:41:01 am
Very nice jules.   :thumbsup:


Title: Re: The Official S-T.N Digital Camera Thread
Post by: torags v2 on April 01, 2009, 05:20:09 pm
Nice Jules

I too, like old poles and the reflections they throw on still water .

Here's one from the Salton Sea, Ca (sorry the Koalas were vacationing in Palm Springs)...  :D

(http://ragspix.smugmug.com/photos/113939190_pcJZx-M-2.jpg)

Rags