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Title: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: Rincewind on October 03, 2008, 08:54:22 am
Buell has finally put up a video of their new 1125CR (http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes/street/1125CR/video.asp).

To me the 1125CR is one of the most interesting new 09 models to be released so far.  I'm interested in how STN rates the bike.  I know the styling is controversial, but I'm looking for an overall rating.  The first ride impressions from MCN (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/mcn/2008/October/1-7/oct0108-Buell-1125CR-Cafe-Racer-first-ride/?&R=EPI-103256) indicate the fueling issues on this engine have been fixed.  We potentially have a world-class homegrown 140hp exotic streetfighter now from Buell.

(http://www.buell.com/_media/images/bikes/street/1125cr/gallery/regular/wallpaper_1125CR_7.jpg)



Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: Brad1445 on October 03, 2008, 09:14:34 am
Looks a little beter than the R version, but Buell really nneds to start with a clean slate and not use parts from 5 years of diffrent bikes.  

This makes the B-King look good.  

Home Grown?  The best of this bike part is the engine, it's a Rotax.  It's a bad ass engine.


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: Rincewind on October 03, 2008, 09:51:25 am

Looks a little beter than the R version, but Buell really nneds to start with a clean slate and not use parts from 5 years of diffrent bikes. 

This makes the B-King look good. 

Home Grown?  The best of this bike part is the engine, it's a Rotax.  It's a bad ass engine.


Taking the fairing off a sportbike to make a factory streetfighter is not an unusual practice.  Why make it cost more for the extra "clean slate" R&D?

The engine was specified and developed in conjunction with Buell, so it is a combined effort with Rotax.  It's not like the Helicon is an off-the-shelf Rotax product. 


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: st ryder on October 03, 2008, 11:45:09 am
"You can't polish a turd."

I agree, redesign the way it looks first before you offer derivatives, and I think we all know that means getting rid of those god-awful pods as they make the CR look even goofier than the R IMO.  :thumbsdown:  But then again, I'm one who thinks most "street fighters" fight good taste. :)

Why does the Benelli look so much better with side mounted rads and similar headlamp approach?

YMMV.  


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: Phenix_Rider on October 03, 2008, 12:19:52 pm


Why does the Benelli look so much better with side mounted rads and similar headlamp approach?

YMMV.  

Because the Benelli doesn't look like it's trying to inhale it's front wheel!  

I like the spaceship look of the 1125R, but the CR just look tacky.


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: atadaskew on October 03, 2008, 01:27:59 pm
I'm surprised the video has just come out because the 1125Cr was already gathering dust on my dealership's floor when I picked up my Dyna about a month ago.


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: rauchman on October 03, 2008, 01:45:10 pm
I can't believe I'm going to say this, but this bike is actually growing on me.  Those funky radiator pods seem to work better on this bike compared to the "R".  When this thing first came out, it didn't do a thing for me, but the more I see it, the more I like it.


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: 1KPerDay on October 03, 2008, 01:50:05 pm
I wonder if Buell will ever build a bike that looks good with no "except for the fugly ____" qualifiers. And from what I understand the handlebar ergos are almost identical to the clip-ons on the 1125R so what's the point?  :headscratch:


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: Tycho on October 03, 2008, 02:04:28 pm
As with everything H-D or Buell, you can always get more for less if you shop somewhere other then the H-D/Buell dealership.

I truly would love to see an American motorcycle that I would seriously be able to consider. I rode the 1125 R ... what a lump. All the tight handling "Moto GP bike for the street" (<---Eric's goal) characteristics of the XB9 and 12s are gone. It is usually an advantage of a sport v-twin to go from one hard lean to the opposite with comparatively less effort and more control. Not the 1125, ugh.

As great as I had thought this might be for American sport bikes, this is a step back. Now, as for American ST .... well that takes me right back to where I started. You can always get more for less if you don't shop at a H-D/Buell dealership.


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: 1KPerDay on October 03, 2008, 03:46:24 pm

 I rode the 1125 R ... what a lump. All the tight handling "Moto GP bike for the street" (<---Eric's goal) characteristics of the XB9 and 12s are gone. It is usually an advantage of a sport v-twin to go from one hard lean to the opposite with comparatively less effort and more control. Not the 1125, ugh.

If you say so... I rode the 1125R on the track with a bunch of fast buell club guys on XBs and they were consistently getting owned by the 1125R. the 1125 riders were being held up all day long. The 1125R handles beautifully, IMO. Maybe yours had a flat tire or something. :lol:


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: Tycho on October 03, 2008, 04:18:47 pm
Well, first off, the thing would barely run. However, I hear Buell has corrected this problem. 2nd, my point of handling reference is an RC-51 or CBR600. I yield to the point of view of exp. I don't think it is disputed that this is bulked up compared to its predecessor and the nice engine overcomes this bulk. (but it's still bulk).


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: 1KPerDay on October 03, 2008, 05:19:18 pm

 I don't think it is disputed that this is bulked up compared to its predecessor and the nice engine overcomes this bulk. (but it's still bulk).

Huh?

1125R Wet Wt (incl. 5.6 gal fuel) 455 lbs. (207 Kg)  
Weight (Fuel tank empty) 420 lbs. (191 kg)  

XB9R Weight: 454 lb. (206kg) wet; 432 lb. (196kg) dry


 :shrug:


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: UFO on October 03, 2008, 05:24:54 pm
Zero appeal for me.  Would rather have a Tuono...or a Tuono V4 (pretty please!) :D


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: atypical1 on October 03, 2008, 08:21:04 pm


Huh?

1125R Wet Wt (incl. 5.6 gal fuel) 455 lbs. (207 Kg)  
Weight (Fuel tank empty) 420 lbs. (191 kg)  

XB9R Weight: 454 lb. (206kg) wet; 432 lb. (196kg) dry


 :shrug:


Shhhh...don't tell him that his RC 51 weighs in at a porky 432 dry. Some guys just like to hear themselves talk.

james


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: Tycho on October 03, 2008, 11:14:17 pm
Let me be clear then.

Although the RC is a porker on the scale, it is undisputed that it is nimble on the track or anywhere a few consecutive turns are lined up. I will spare you all of my extended pontification on this subject ...

What I am referring to here with the RC and the Buell is how these bikes feel to me. It is my fault for not being clear in the posts previous. I got on the bike, flogged it briefly and unscientifically, and the first thought that popped into my head was 'what a dog'.

That comment about the flat tire, who knows, it is entirely possible the H-D set-up guys left 15lbs in the front.


Please remember, if you find yourself taking me too seriously, see the avatar to the left, and return to reading.


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: Rogue on October 04, 2008, 12:20:44 am
ST.net has always leaned towards the mainstream/European type bikes.  You see that in the posts.

I like the 1125 in both guises.  I like them because they are different and bucks the trend.  When I ride my Firebolt I'm reminded of that and love it.  I ride my Firebolt more than the VFR, even though I also love my VFR.  I think Buell's are love it or hate it and many people here clearly hate it for whatever reasons that has been beaten to death before.    I think if you don't care about what other people think of your ride, you will probably like the Buell.  


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: Baz on October 04, 2008, 12:25:30 am

Looks a little beter than the R version, but Buell really nneds to start with a clean slate and not use parts from 5 years of diffrent bikes.  

This makes the B-King look good.  

Home Grown?  The best of this bike part is the engine, it's a Rotax.  It's a bad ass engine.


Home Grown? Umm.... I don't know how to break this to you but the Engine is made by a Canadian company in Austria. :lol:

If I won one, I might keep it, but otherwise not much interest here.


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: Rogue on October 04, 2008, 01:02:50 am



Home Grown? Umm.... I don't know how to break this to you but the Engine is made by a Canadian company in Austria. :lol:


Read Brad's response again.  He's basically saying the same thing you are.  DUH!  

In any case, Buell and Rotax worked together on the design of the engine.  Also, H-D has had a healthy relationship with Rotax in the past.  If it works, why not use it?  I don't see anyone here complaining about Aprilia's Rotax engine, or Bimota's use of Ducati engines.  


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: Jeff N on October 04, 2008, 01:25:24 am

Would rather have a Tuono...or a Tuono V4 (pretty please!) :D


Just the thought of that brings a stirring in my pants.  :D

These new Buells are interesting and I like the way they look when I see them in the flesh. Problem is, the closest dealer is 90 miles away and given the reputation of both the Buell and the dealer I just dunno.


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: Baz on October 04, 2008, 02:51:45 am
Oh I think Eric is probably overjoyed about using the Rotax.


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: vulcanbill on October 15, 2008, 09:18:26 am
Wow that video was annoying.  Nothing like choppy, dark snippets that show you nothing to get your blood pumping.  But it had distorted guitar so it must have been cool.  Grrr.  Marketing tools.  Compared to the XT video, that was just...annoying.  Even the beginning of the lightening video was better than that.  Guess they know it's ugly and don't want to give anyone a chance to actually see it.   :D


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: Rincewind on October 15, 2008, 09:26:13 am
The current STN rating tally is 4.88 for the CR, so it's not impressing that many.  Personally I still haven't seen one in person, and I'm losing interest.  


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: xbud on October 15, 2008, 11:07:13 am

 I am interested, but I am also a deal seeker, so If I wait eventually the price will come down, nothing like paying list for something that loses 30% in less than a year. The 08 1125R's are already being discounted to $9600.00


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: atadaskew on October 15, 2008, 04:51:26 pm



the Engine is made by a Canadian company in Austria. :lol:




Rotax is Canadian?  Then why aren't they making them in Canadia?....


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: xbud on October 16, 2008, 07:05:38 pm
 Bombardier
 Recreational
 Products

 Is the parent company that merged with Rotax back in 1970.


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: Thunderbox on October 31, 2008, 09:47:53 am

 Bombardier
 Recreational
 Products

 Is the parent company that merged with Rotax back in 1970.


Not actually correct.  It was a buy out by BRP not a merger.  BRP is a wholly owned and operated by a Canadian Family once again.


Title: Re: Buell 1125CR 1st Vid and STN rating
Post by: JamesG on November 07, 2008, 02:30:56 pm

The current STN rating tally is 4.88 for the CR, so it's not impressing that many.  Personally I still haven't seen one in person, and I'm losing interest.  


It is a cafe bike, so not exactly in the middle of the sport-touring demographic.  

Its growing on me as well, but I'm really not in the market for that type of bike. To narrowly focused for the money for me. If I want a commuter cafe-bike or track day machine, I'd buy a used SV-650 for any a few grand.  

I'm waiting for the 1125ST, preferably in a Ulysses-esque form.

Update:
Got to see and sit on an 1125CR this weekend (Albany,GA HD:Buell has a Red CR but you can't get '06 brake pads?!?). Its very cool looking in person. But its a tiny little weapon. It made the Lightning parked next to it look huge.  


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