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Title: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Kraz on August 03, 2014, 10:02:17 am
Not what I would have hoped for, but...

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Consider these specs: “dripping wet,” Gray says, the Scout weighs just 558 pounds, the lightest in its class by a considerable amount. The 69 cubic-inch (1,133cc), liquid cooled, DOHC, four-valve V-twin produces a claimed 100 horsepower and 72 pound-feet of torque, numbers that shame most other cruisers and favorably compare to some sportbikes... And here’s the best part—the MSRP is just $10,999, or a whopping $8,000 cheaper than the cheapest Indian Chief Classic. Consider that barrier to entry officially breached.


(http://stblogs.motorcyclistonline.com/files/2014/08/Family-static11-623x409.jpg)

http://blogs.motorcyclistonline.com/2015-indian-scout-first-look-2-44911.html?src=SOC&dom=fb


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: naustin on August 03, 2014, 10:28:49 am
that's actually sharp.    :thumbsup:   Never been a cruiser guy, but I like it.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Kraz on August 03, 2014, 10:31:38 am


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zny8Wdpk9Gk&feature=player_embedded


I really wanted this to be a performance standard, not a 600# cruiser with forward controls and tiny gas tank.  Seems like such a waste of an opportunity, but I guess they have to play to the market.  I'd rather have an XR1200.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: veefer800canuck on August 03, 2014, 10:34:56 am
only 53 lbs heavier than my VFR, about the same HP, WAY more torque, and far cheaper than any sport-tourer

they are gonna sell like hotcakes.

Nice to see someone cares about performance and weight in a cruiser.

I'm not the target audience, but I appreciate it.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: mugwump58 on August 03, 2014, 10:36:19 am
In my perfect world the Scout would have been the base for a Pro Twin flatrack assault. :gerg:


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Orson on August 03, 2014, 12:26:46 pm
I don't know much about it but, from just looking at the picture, the bodywork, seat etc just seems a lot more integrated than any Harley I've seen.

Lovely saddle color.

The bike looks sharp  :thumbsup:


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: motrhead on August 03, 2014, 12:30:59 pm
Not a fan...too much like a V-rod clone. It doesn't remind me in any way of a Scout. A Sportster clone seems like it would have been a better idea...


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Nodaclu on August 03, 2014, 01:14:13 pm
With that look, those specs, and that price, Polaris will sell every single one they can make. We may not be the target audience for that bike, but I'm not sure they could have put a better combination together for the masses of cruiser riders. Indian needs a volume seller to bring back their name recognition, and this just might do the trick.

Not normally my kind of bike, and I'm not really in the market for a bike of any kind right now, and I'm still interested enough to want to find a dealer and see one in person.  :inlove:


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: sagerat on August 03, 2014, 01:19:07 pm
Too bulky and that radiator looks like somebody grafted Hoover Dam onto a motorcycle.  

My Dad had a 1940 Indian Scout back in his early 20s as an Army Air Corps cadet, so I'm biased.  He scared the hell out of the woman who would become our mom one day on a ride to a picnic while he was stationed near Sebring, Fla.  Evdently, Dad found one of few curvy roads in all of the Sunshine State and Mom was not amused.   :D


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: TBone on August 03, 2014, 05:00:52 pm

that's actually sharp.    :thumbsup:   Never been a cruiser guy, but I like it.


Same here. The more i see it the more I like it. Very interested to hear some actual riders opinions on handling and build quality.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: BobW on August 03, 2014, 06:41:25 pm
I really like this, BUT was hoping for something more standard/performance and less cruiser. Obviously that is what sells for HD
and every model of theirs like the Sportster sport/r, fxdx, fxr, street rod ends up being chopped, but I was hoping Indian would set the stage with their very strong race history. Still wouldn't take much to adjust this platform and kudos to Polaris for the second new engine in just a couple of years, that's serious $$ invested for future models so my fingers are crossed.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Rattlehead on August 03, 2014, 10:37:06 pm
Sportster beware.  :crazy:
Harley better be paying attention because this bike, at that price is going to be a SERIOUS threat to the Sportster sales. The only thing holding it back is the dealer network.

I too was hoping for something more "standard" like, but in the midsize cruiser market this bike has the goods (on paper at least) to absolutely mop the floor with everything else out there!  :thumbsup:  I absolutely LOVE the look: the sharp edges blended with the smooth surfaces, the industrial looking engine, the classic yet somehow modern "feel" to the whole thing. That is a BEAUTIFUL bike! Back that up with some serious HP (for a cruiser) and, what appears to be a decent chassis (again, for a cruiser), and that thing is quite the package. :inlove: :thumbsup: :eek:
If I were in the market I would have no problem driving well out of my way to buy this over a Sportster.


*edit* Just looked: the nearest Indian dealer is less than 1hr away, there's actually at least a 1/2 dozen dealers within 2-3hrs of my hometown.  :D  
I may just have to check this bike out sometime. I wonder if they do test rides.  :D


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Tpoppa on August 04, 2014, 02:40:00 pm

Not a fan...too much like a V-rod clone. It doesn't remind me in any way of a Scout. A Sportster clone seems like it would have been a better idea...


Couldn't diagree more.  I like that they built a modern motorcycle instead of instead of a refreshed antique.  Liquid cooling and ride by wire for $11k.  100 hp (guessing at the crank) and 72 tq should be a lot more entertaining than a 60 hp Sportster 1200 or a 65hp HD big twin.

It makes decent power, isn't insanely heavy, has actual ground clearance, and a real cast aluminum chassis.  Hell, it might even be fun to ride.  The last cruiser that I thought was fun was the 3rd gen V4 Honda Magna.

The original Scout was a forward thinking performance motorcycle.  Why should the new one be a super slow dog with technology that's 60 years out of date??



Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: motrhead on August 04, 2014, 03:28:37 pm
 The original Scout was the smaller, lighter, more basic bike...this one just looks big and heavy, though admittedly, if the numbers can be believed it's not too bad...it's the gimmicky styling stuff that kills it for me. I still think the designers were looking at a V Rod when they did this. Other than the fender gimmick, there isn't much that says traditional American bike...maybe that is a good thing. I must be too old...lol


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Rattlehead on August 04, 2014, 08:17:06 pm



Couldn't diagree more.  I like that they built a modern motorcycle instead of instead of a refreshed antique.  Liquid cooling and ride by wire for $11k.  100 hp (guessing at the crank) and 72 tq should be a lot more entertaining than a 60 hp Sportster 1200 or a 65hp HD big twin.

It makes decent power, isn't insanely heavy, has actual ground clearance, and a real cast aluminum chassis.  Hell, it might even be fun to ride.  The last cruiser that I thought was fun was the 3rd gen V4 Honda Magna.

The original Scout was a forward thinking performance motorcycle.  Why should the new one be a super slow dog with technology that's 60 years out of date??




+1000!  I love that Polaris isn't painting Indian in the same corner that Harley painted themselves in and only offer "classic styled" cruisers. From what I've read on Indian they were always the forward thinkers and innovators of their day. I think Polaris is playing to Indian's FULL "heritage", not just the 50's styled bikes that most remember.  :thumbsup:

I'm actually REALLY excited to see how this all plays out in the coming years. With Indian covering the cruiser market (and seemingly doing a DARN good job at it!) maybe Victory will be free to bring in some standards, ADV bikes, Sport tourers or who knows what!  :bigok:  Dare I dream of a Victory badged, American made replacement for my beloved Buell???  :inlove:


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: motrhead on August 04, 2014, 09:07:26 pm



+1000!  I love that Polaris isn't painting Indian in the same corner that Harley painted themselves in and only offer "classic styled" cruisers. From what I've read on Indian they were always the forward thinkers and innovators of their day. I think Polaris is playing to Indian's FULL "heritage", not just the 50's styled bikes that most remember.  :thumbsup:

I'm actually REALLY excited to see how this all plays out in the coming years. With Indian covering the cruiser market (and seemingly doing a DARN good job at it!) maybe Victory will be free to bring in some standards, ADV bikes, Sport tourers or who knows what!  :bigok:  Dare I dream of a Victory badged, American made replacement for my beloved Buell???  :inlove:


but, but...isn't the whole idea of reviving a dead historical brand to trade on the history? Why not let Victory be the forward thinking company, and use the Indian name on the retro stuff? Indian wasn't really that forward thinking in their day...that was Crocker, Henderson, Excelsior and the other smaller players. It was only compared to Harley that Indian was advanced.
 I'm sure it is going to be a great bike, but you have to wonder if there is really room for more liquid cooled semi retro bikes with questionable styling. The V-Rod isn't exactly selling like hotcakes.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Tpoppa on August 04, 2014, 11:09:45 pm
Indian is trying to win market share.  The Scout has interest on HDforums, here, and even the sport bike boards I follow.  I think it made the exact impact that Indian was going for.  For $11k would you rather ride this Scout or the 99th warmed-over-refreshed version of the same tired Sportster 1200?

I don't dislike all HD riders, but I have a REALLY hard time taking seriously the one's that will "never ride anything but an air cooled HD."  You know the ones, "I'd rather have a sister in a whore house than a brother on a Honda."

There are so many things you can do on 2 wheels that you CAN'T do on an air cooled HD.  Why limit yourself?  I don't even consider them real motorcycle riders, they are Brand Fags...even worse than Apple Brand Fags.

I am happy to see an American company build a cruiser with today's tech.



Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Tpoppa on August 04, 2014, 11:20:46 pm



but, but...isn't the whole idea of reviving a dead historical brand to trade on the history? Why not let Victory be the forward thinking company, and use the Indian name on the retro stuff? Indian wasn't really that forward thinking in their day...that was Crocker, Henderson, Excelsior and the other smaller players. It was only compared to Harley that Indian was advanced.
 I'm sure it is going to be a great bike, but you have to wonder if there is really room for more liquid cooled semi retro bikes with questionable styling. The V-Rod isn't exactly selling like hotcakes.


Do you think the V Rod would sell any better if it was $5k cheaper and 100lbs lighter?

I think the whole idea of riviving Indian was to win market share from HD.  From what I've been reading, it seems that this Scout has a real chance to take a bite out of Sportster sales.  I hope it does just that.  


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: motrhead on August 05, 2014, 12:52:31 am



Do you think the V Rod would sell any better if it was $5k cheaper and 100lbs lighter?

I think the whole idea of riviving Indian was to win market share from HD.  From what I've been reading, it seems that this Scout has a real chance to take a bite out of Sportster sales.  I hope it does just that.  



 Yeah, cheaper and lighter definitely can't hurt, even if the hp isn't quite there. Maybe it will take some sales from Harley when the new riders are moving up from the Street 750. Around here Harley has the majority of the market, and Victory is barely even getting a toehold.  I just have my doubts about Indian taking much of the Harley market with an odd looking bike that doesn't really recall the Indian past (to my old-fashioned eye). It's still that Harley name that sells around here (except for the V-rod...they can't give em away here).  


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Blue is Best on August 05, 2014, 10:35:20 am
As many have stated, I'm also not a cruiser guy. Maybe if I was rich I'd have one of every type of bike and this I would consider as the one cruiser for my collection! Looks good to me and has good specs on paper.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: coucours grad on August 05, 2014, 10:42:29 am

only 53 lbs heavier than my VFR, about the same HP, WAY more torque, and far cheaper than any sport-tourer

they are gonna sell like hotcakes.

Nice to see someone cares about performance and weight in a cruiser.

I'm not the target audience, but I appreciate it.


 :withstupid:


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Rattlehead on August 05, 2014, 12:03:34 pm



.....It was only compared to Harley that Indian was advanced.



Then their picking up right where they left off then, huh?  :lol:

I have a feeling, 100% speculation mind you, that Indian will be sort of like Victory is now; "advanced" for the cruiser market but still 'old school tech' and Victory will start moving into markets outside cruiser-dom and will be free to flex a little more engineering muscle; something the cruiser market just doesn't allow.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: stromgal on August 05, 2014, 06:10:38 pm
I read Aaron Frank's 'first ride' story today, and Indian seems to have gotten a lot right. IF I were looking for a cruiser (subject to a test-ride to see for myself, of course), this would likely be my choice. With some shekels spent on suspension.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: james_g on August 05, 2014, 10:03:17 pm
I am not a cruiser guy at all but that is one sharp looking bike. Very nice indeed.

james


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Nodaclu on August 06, 2014, 12:29:23 am
Every review I've read so far has been various shades of glowing about it. :inlove:

It'll be interesting to see if they can move this bike in some volume despite a dealer network that doesn't yet match HD and the Big 4. I'm absolutely going to take a long look at one when they hit the showrooms. I keep thinking this bike, especially the first year of production, could be a "forever bike" for me - the kind that stays in your garage forever, no matter what else may come and go.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Tpoppa on August 06, 2014, 08:17:06 am
If it sells well, maybe it will light a fire under HD's ass to redesign the Sportster instead of repolishing the same turd year after year.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Tpoppa on August 06, 2014, 08:19:59 am
I just notced that Indians have a 5 year warranty.  Very nice.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: X1Glider on August 07, 2014, 12:35:00 pm
I have to wonder if Victory's line of cruisers will have run it's course 5 years from now and Indian will take over their cruiser market.  After all, even though Victory bikes are pretty good, they're not getting the market share that Polaris is looking for.  Maybe some modern styled cruisers, like Victory's, to keep current customers interested, will be using these Chief and Scout engines.

Perhaps the Victory brand will be transformed into sport and standard motorcycles in the future.  It's a pretty cool name for a sport bike.  Polaris breaking into this market isn't far fetched, IMO.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: X1Glider on August 07, 2014, 12:45:35 pm
While I do like the look of this Scout, there's some things I can't get over.  The forks are aesthetically too spindly next to the huge balloon tires.  17" wheels would allow for a much better selection of tires, not just their Indian branded tires.  3" of suspension is ridiculous.  I'll probably be putting my FXDX up for sale as my spine isn't agreeing with it anymore and it's suspension is pretty good for cruiser comparisons.  25" seat is fine if you're 4'10".  Give me another 1-1.5" of suspension (and more ground clearance for cornering) and a 27" seat height.  27" is low enough.  4 gallon tank should have been minimum.  I know there's an airbox under it taking up room.

Overall, I think this is a winner in this market.  I like how it is more contemporary instead of the tired looking retros they've failed with several times.

If Indian had never shut their doors, they'd have certainly evolved and modernized.  Let HD continue to play their heritage game.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: 1KPerDay on August 07, 2014, 06:33:08 pm



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zny8Wdpk9Gk&feature=player_embedded


I really wanted this to be a performance standard, not a 600# cruiser with forward controls and tiny gas tank.  Seems like such a waste of an opportunity, but I guess they have to play to the market.  I'd rather have an XR1200.


So would I.  ;)

Video gets an F- for referring to Scout as Scout. Dumbassery. :facepalm:


Title: Re: Re: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Cobalt on August 08, 2014, 06:34:39 am
I have to wonder if Victory's line of cruisers will have run it's course 5 years from now and Indian will take over their cruiser market.  After all, even though Victory bikes are pretty good, they're not getting the market share that Polaris is looking for.  Maybe some modern styled cruisers, like Victory's, to keep current customers interested, will be using these Chief and Scout engines.

Perhaps the Victory brand will be transformed into sport and standard motorcycles in the future.  It's a pretty cool name for a sport bike.  Polaris breaking into this market isn't far fetched, IMO.
The new victory magnum. Ugh. Yeah. They have to be over now, right???


Title: Re: Re: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Cobalt on August 08, 2014, 06:38:33 am


Then their picking up right where they left off then, huh?  :lol:

I have a feeling, 100% speculation mind you, that Indian will be sort of like Victory is now; "advanced" for the cruiser market but still 'old school tech' and Victory will start moving into markets outside cruiser-dom and will be free to flex a little more engineering muscle; something the cruiser market just doesn't allow.
:facepalm:

Once again I ask, what's really missing from any modern generation cruiser, consider the bike's intent and the genre's overall sales? Seriously.

I'm not talking about a scheme Honda shadow here. Take anything that's been either newly introduced or has kept pace.

Show your work.


Title: Re: Re: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Tpoppa on August 08, 2014, 09:19:30 am

:facepalm:

Once again I ask, what's really missing from any modern generation cruiser, consider the bike's intent and the genre's overall sales? Seriously.

I'm not talking about a scheme Honda shadow here. Take anything that's been either newly introduced or has kept pace.

Show your work.


I think the generation (boomers) that grew up thinking that HDs were big powerful motorcycles will keep that opinion until they die.  HD has them hooked without worrying about such nonsense as innovation or performance.  Indian Cheifs may grab some of those sales, but proabably not enough to be an issue for HD.  

However, younger generations don't seem to have the same predilection for HDs and bikes like this new Scout could make it difficult to spend the same money on a Sportster.  Harleys have always been more a state of mind and tend to suffer when examined objectively against other bikes.
   


Title: Re: Re: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Nodaclu on August 08, 2014, 11:13:49 am

 Harleys have always been more a state of mind and tend to suffer when examined objectively against other bikes.


I'll agree with that in every aspect except fit and finish. My 2006 Sportster had a level of finish and quality that was ridiculous....in a good way. Blew away every other bike I've owned.

What's really sad is, by all accounts, HD is starting to abandon that position - particularly with the new Street 500 and 750 models.  :(


Title: Re: Re: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: motrhead on August 08, 2014, 11:26:49 am



I think the generation (boomers) that grew up thinking that HDs were big powerful motorcycles will keep that opinion until they die.  HD has them hooked without worrying about such nonsense as innovation or performance.  Indian Chiefs may grab some of those sales, but probably not enough to be an issue for HD.  

However, younger generations don't seem to have the same predilection for HDs and bikes like this new Scout could make it difficult to spend the same money on a Sportster.  Harleys have always been more a state of mind and tend to suffer when examined objectively against other bikes.
  


 I rode some of those other bikes over the last couple years (looking for a Harley alternative!), and surprisingly the Sportster does very well in comparison.  I'm a Yamaha guy, and really wanted to like the Bolt (and was considering buying...) but the Bolt is a gutless, soulless slug compared to a Sporty (or pretty much anything else over 500cc...lol).  Say what you want about it, but the Sportster works well. They have come a long way from my old Ironhead.
  I've spent some time on a 2013 Soft Tail 103 this year, and I have to say it's a helluva bike. It's smooth on the highway...like Gold Wing smooth! It handles very well until it runs out of clearance (just like a Wing), and it really gets up and goes. I could see me on one some day. With the clear plastic windscreen on it, it is super comfortable and just eats up the miles. I'm still a sportbike guy at heart , but I am much less prejudiced...lol. There is something very cool about the relaxed easy power of a Harley, and it is much easier to slow down and smell the roses. I still cruise around 70-75mph on the Harleys, so it's not like I am going slow. I am in a different frame of mind...not looking to blast through every set of twisties. LOL
 Hopefully the competition from Indian will force Harley to keep improving their bikes...but I also hope the Sportster remains a simple aircooled bike.  It has it's own unique niche, just like my Moto Guzzi.


Title: Re: Re: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Rattlehead on August 08, 2014, 12:35:50 pm

:facepalm:

Once again I ask, what's really missing from any modern generation cruiser, consider the bike's intent and the genre's overall sales? Seriously.

I'm not talking about a scheme Honda shadow here. Take anything that's been either newly introduced or has kept pace.

Show your work.


Not entirely sure what you're asking for here but I can certainly tell you what the Sportster is missing in comparison to the Scout:

-A decent chassis: the 'bundle of tubes' that is a Sportster frame is pretty lacking in comparison to something like the Scout. I owned a Sportster at one point, and liked it quite a bit, but that frame is just a bit too 'flexy' for any kind of serious riding. Even some of the seriously beat up roads around here had it feeling 'unsettled' even before the suspension bottoming started (which I did address with longer shocks and some tweaks).

-About 30-35 hp in the 1200 varient and a heaping crap-ton in the 883. I absolutely love the character of the Sportster engine but it's pretty much a gutless turd; though in all fairness, it is stronger than just about everything else in the small cruiser class (till now). Erik Buell did some wonderful things to that powerplant but nothing carried over to the Sporty in terms of power. Pity.  :(  My Buell is one of the most enjoyable bikes I've ever ridden. That XB12 engine (103hp worth of it) in a Sporty would be an absolute hoot and would have it trading blows nicely against the Scout.

-about 5 degrees of lean. The new Sportsters are pitifully short on cornering clearance because of Harley's decision to only offer Low, Lower and Lowest as options. Sure, it sells well for them but it sure does make for a horrible bike to ride. The Scout is still lacking, IMHO, but it bests the Sportster by a not-insignificant amount.

-nearly an inch of suspension travel on both ends. In an attempt to get the seat height down to 'midget territory' Harley cut the shocks to barely 2" of travel (which is actually an improvement over the 1.8"  :eek: the previous Low bikes had). Take a look at the Sportster and it's obvious that it was never designed to sit that low. The area of the frame under the seat is actually quite tall, like a standard.

All that being said; I really like the Sportster (I think it's easily the best bike Harley currently offers), I just wish they would put a little money into a more modern chassis, better suspenders and some power. The Scout seems to have addressed all of my issues with the Sporty (though not fully in terms of suspension quality and cornering clearance) and it did it with a VERY good starting MSRP. Given the choice right now, with my own cash, I'd walk right by a Sportster and by the Indian.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: motrhead on August 08, 2014, 12:52:27 pm
 I still can't believe they dropped the XL1200 Sportster.  That was progress, and with a few parts from the Buell parts bin could still be a better package than the Scout. Locking into the dirt track styling probably killed sales, when the entire line (besides the Low models) could really have used the decent suspension. If it ever came back I would probably buy one.  I was looking seriously at used Buells before I got my Guzzi, and I even came close to buying a 101hp Buell engine to drop in a Sporty...


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Tpoppa on August 08, 2014, 01:06:46 pm
That last HD I rode was a 2011 Fatboy.  I had it as a loaner for 10 days (700-800 miles).  I tried to like it, really.  It was like a pretty girl that was bad in bed.  It was nice to look at but the ride was not satisfying.

The last Sportster than I rode was a 2002 or 2003.  More fun than the Fatboy, but still not for me.  For a while I was intrigued in a 2006 Street Rod, but that passed.  I've ridden enough Harleys to know I'll probably never swing a leg over one again.    


Title: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: MisterSmooth on August 08, 2014, 02:37:47 pm
Do I understand this correctly, that this bike is not available until December?   :headscratch:

It's lemme see... August right now.

At least that gives us plenty of time to speculate about it.  This thread will be 12 pages long by the time any of us actually get to ride one.  :lol:



Me personally, I think the Scout is cool.  Big twin with good power, a touch exotic, plenty nice to look at.  It's an American Moto Guzzi!  :lol: And not in a bad way.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Tpoppa on August 08, 2014, 02:47:32 pm

I was looking seriously at used Buells before I got my Guzzi, and I even came close to buying a 101hp Buell engine to drop in a Sporty...


If you drop a Buell motor in a Sportster it will actually lose power.  Seriously.  A good bit of the HP gains in air cooled Buells (especially the XBs) were due to the design of the airbox and exhaust, which can't be fitted onto a Sportster in a chrome & tassel friendly way.  


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: motrhead on August 08, 2014, 03:13:29 pm
It's actually more complicated than that. It's the Buell heads, cams, flywheel etc. There are even better exhausts than the Buell setup, and open filters can beat air box. Depends on what you want...definitely wouldn't lose power. I kind of know what I am doing...lol
 The early Buell were basically stock Sportster engines but they evolved into a much more modified and better engine as the years went by.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Tpoppa on August 08, 2014, 03:17:47 pm
Open filters would lose low and midrange on a Buell, which was the best part of those motors.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: st ryder on August 08, 2014, 03:21:54 pm

I don't know much about it but, from just looking at the picture, the bodywork, seat etc just seems a lot more integrated than any Harley I've seen.

Lovely saddle color.

The bike looks sharp  :thumbsup:


Except for the side stand that is.  :hurl:

Best parts of that bike are the engine and the accessory choices. I'm not crazy about the frame/ground clearance. Hope the crank cases can take a pounding. I don't see any protection from bumps underneath, and that frame looks like it will flex since it really has no back bone, and those forks look like spaghetti especially against that wide front section tire.

I hope they put that engine to better use.   :)


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: motrhead on August 08, 2014, 03:26:23 pm

Open filters would lose low and midrange on a Buell, which was the best part of those motors.


 I agree, but I wouldn't lose hp putting it in a Sporty, just tractability...still would make an awesome Sportster, and in the XR1200 would kick some Scout butt.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: st ryder on August 08, 2014, 03:34:25 pm

I have to wonder if Victory's line of cruisers will have run it's course 5 years from now and Indian will take over their cruiser market.  After all, even though Victory bikes are pretty good, they're not getting the market share that Polaris is looking for....  


You mean Victorys aren't winning?  ;) Lame name if they're not. :)

Quote
Perhaps the Victory brand will be transformed into sport and standard motorcycles in the future.  It's a pretty cool name for a sport bike.  Polaris breaking into this market isn't far fetched, IMO.


See above. :)

HD made 2 big "sport bike" mistakes: 1) they stopped the VR 1000 superbike project; 2) they sold MV Augusta back to the Castiglioni brothers for 1.00.

If HD had a real sportbike instead of the Buell compromise, they would have sold very well IMO.  They have as rich a racing pedigree as Indian et al other American brands, and have been in business for well over a century of uninterupted production. Best in the world/industry. :)

Few things sound as good as a well tuned HD Big Twin coming on the pipe!!! :)


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Tpoppa on August 08, 2014, 04:34:02 pm

If HD had a real sportbike instead of the Buell compromise, they would have sold very well IMO.  


By "Buell comprimise" do you mean air cooled Buells?  You know Erik Buell never wanted to build air cooled bikes that was HD's decision.  The V Rod motor was a Buell project (based on the VR1000 motor) until HD took it over.

And speaking of the VR1000, that was the probably worst run race program to ever circulate around a track.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/vr1000_obit.htm


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: st ryder on August 08, 2014, 06:49:38 pm



By "Buell comprimise" do you mean air cooled Buells?  You know Erik Buell never wanted to build air cooled bikes that was HD's decision.  The V Rod motor was a Buell project (based on the VR1000 motor) until HD took it over.

And speaking of the VR1000, that was the probably worst run race program to ever circulate around a track.
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/vr1000_obit.htm


And yet, unless you have 70+k, you probably can't buy a POS VR1000 these days.  ;)


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Tpoppa on August 08, 2014, 08:59:22 pm
A misprinted dollar bill is also worth quite a bit.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: Orson on August 09, 2014, 12:47:02 am

If HD had a real sportbike instead of the Buell compromise, they would have sold very well IMO.  They have as rich a racing pedigree as Indian et al other American brands, and have been in business for well over a century of uninterupted production. Best in the world/industry. :)

I also thought that naming a sports bike a "Buell" was a mistake, no disrespect for Eric Buell. It's just that the Harley black & orange racing pedigree loomed so large, it was just begging to be badged on a sport bike.

A missed opportunity for Harley.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: st ryder on August 09, 2014, 03:43:19 am

A misprinted dollar bill is also worth quite a bit.


So is a diamond.

So is a race horse.

So is a yacht.

Oh wait...we're talking about motorcycles...ryyyyyyyt.  ;)


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: axelwik on September 13, 2014, 12:31:57 pm
I think they may have a winner on their hands with the Scout. I'm not so much into cruisers, but it looks interesting.

One of my buddies is going to manage the dealership being built here in Albuquerque, so I'm sure I'll get to ride one.

I had a friend who ran an Indian dealership in Oregon before Indian went bust ten years ago. I rode some of the Chiefs, but they were underpowered unless some work was done. I'm glad the new ones won't have that problem.


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: DrMikey on September 13, 2014, 02:52:44 pm
Have to admit, when I saw the first pictures, thoughts like "boxy", "wierd wheels", and "entry level" ran through my head.  I took a factory tour a few weeks ago where the Scouts were very visible. They look far better in person than on paper.  I will probably take one for a spin when the Madison dealer has a demo.  I'm not looking to replace my Vintage, nor my RT, but it would be fun to rev one of them on the backroads of western Dane County...


Title: Re: 2015 Indian Scout
Post by: deagle10 on April 10, 2015, 02:56:37 pm
Stopped at the Indian/Polaris dealership over the weekend.  
First, that dealership is nice.  Nicest I've seen (and I've been in plenty of nice HD ones on trips with friends).

Sales guy has all Scouts spoken for until June.  He is trying to get more, as he can't fill demand.  Not sure if it's true, but he said Indian outsold Victory in the their first year.  Maybe he meant their dealership, which I could see.  The Indians look fantastic in person.  

I have two friends that had CVO Harley's.  They were diehard HD guys.  They got so fed up with repairs to their expensive CVO's that they finally traded them in on new Indian Roadmasters (top of the line).  Supposedly bang for the buck was much better on the Indian.  


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