New Tiger 800 model (name)s

[HipGnosis]

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/triumph-unveils-four-new-tiger-800s/25827.html

The article title is mis-leading.
It's still 2 models, road-dirt and dirt-road, both with an optional technology package of: three riding modes (throttle maps), ABS, traction control and cruise control.   These get a slightly different model 'name'.

[Sport-Touring]

[HipGnosis]

More info

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/11/04/2015-triumph-tiger-800-xr-and-800-xc-adventure-motorcycle-review-first-look-photos/

[Cobalt]

Those used to be called "trim packages" and not models, back in the day.

[garry]

While I welcome the improvements, I also wanted:

- permanent fix for the idle stepper motor issue (shaft gets dirty/stuck, bike won't idle)
- TUBELESS wire spoke wheels for XC
- option of 19" front wheel for XC
- wide ratio transmission for XC (low first gear for off-road use, tall 6th for munching miles on the slab)

Our unpaved "roads" can be very rocky and I'm more than a little nervous about destroying a cast wheel hitting a rock ledge or pothole.

No doubt Woody's Wheels could supply what I want in exchange for a big pile of dead presidents, but the Tiger Explorer XC has those wheels already. Why not use them on the little Tiger too?

[squeezer]

I'm mostly hoping it pushes used prices down a bit when I go shopping for one this spring.   

The cheap bastid upside of new models. 

[Silverbird]

Why are they so convinced the 800 is all we want?  Where is the 1050?

[Yankee Dog]

If you are interested in the 1050.  You might like the 1250 Explorer.  I think it sits better that the 1050.  Certainly it is lower than the 1050 or the 800.

[Windblown]

While I welcome the improvements, I also wanted:

- permanent fix for the idle stepper motor issue (shaft gets dirty/stuck, bike won't idle)
- TUBELESS wire spoke wheels for XC
- option of 19" front wheel for XC
- wide ratio transmission for XC (low first gear for off-road use, tall 6th for munching miles on the slab)

Our unpaved "roads" can be very rocky and I'm more than a little nervous about destroying a cast wheel hitting a rock ledge or pothole.

No doubt Woody's Wheels could supply what I want in exchange for a big pile of dead presidents, but the Tiger Explorer XC has those wheels already. Why not use them on the little Tiger too?

Been looking at the 800 XC hard for awhile now.

It's possible that the fly-by-wire may eliminate the stepper and it's associated issues but I'm not super exited about the move to fly-by-wire. Time will tell how well they implement it. One of the things I liked about the tiger was it's limited electronic wizardry.

The fully adjustable WP suspension is a nice upgrade. Though will likely still require valving and springs to make it how I'd want it.

Not sure I like the bodywork better, but I don't hate it so that's a draw.

If I go the 800 XC route I may go for a used and gen1 for now. If the 2015's are all they promise maybe make an upgrade if I generally like the Gen1 after a year or so. That will also buy me time to see if Honda looks like it will actually release a mid-weight true ADV bike here in the US.

 

[Roadscum]

If you are interested in the 1050.  You might like the 1250 Explorer.  I think it sits better that the 1050.  Certainly it is lower than the 1050 or the 800.

Or perhaps a visit to you're local Yamaha dealer is in order to cast eyes on a FJ-09. It's nice, really nice!

Paul

[FJRider]

Or perhaps a visit to you're local Yamaha dealer is in order to cast eyes on a FJ-09. It's nice, really nice!

Paul

It's interesting how Yamaha decided to use the exhaust system as a skid plate on the FJ-09

[HipGnosis]

It's interesting how Yamaha decided to use the exhaust system as a skid plate on the FJ-09

The FJ-09 is NOT an adventure bike.
It just has a couple adventure styling ques.

[FJRider]

The FJ-09 is NOT an adventure bike.
It just has a couple adventure styling ques.

No shit.  

So then, what is it?

[Roadscum]

It's interesting how Yamaha decided to use the exhaust system as a skid plate on the FJ-09

Yamaha advertises the FJ-09 as a sport tourer. Ya don't need no stink'n skid plate on a sport tourer.  

That Yamaha triple is one sweet motor......  I gotta have one! Maybe a FZ.

I've been down the triumph road with a Daytona 675 and Tiger 800XC ABS. For me, the Yamaha has those beat hands down, more power, better heat management, and no cam chain singing to me.

Paul

[FJRider]

Yamaha advertises the FJ-09 as a sport tourer. Ya don't need no stink'n skid plate on a sport tourer.  

That Yamaha triple is one sweet motor......  I gotta have one! Maybe a FZ.

I've been down the triumph road with a Daytona 675 and Tiger 800XC ABS. For me, the Yamaha has those beat hands down, more power, better heat management, and no cam chain singing to me.

Paul

I had one of the first FZ-09's. Upgraded the suspension and reflashed the ECU. I sold it and, very happily, bought an 800 XC. To each their own.

[Roadscum]

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To each their own.

+1    Ttrue dat!  

Was there something specific about the FZ-09 that caused you to move on?
I'm curious because I lust for a 2015 yellow FZ-09....... seems I'm always in lust for my next bike!  

Paul

[FJRider]

+1    Ttrue dat!  

Was there something specific about the FZ-09 that caused you to move on?
I'm curious because I lust for a 2015 yellow FZ-09....... seems I'm always in lust for my next bike!  

Paul

It was a a real hoot to ride, but only for awhile. Even with the reflash the throttle was very twitchy. It was so tiresome to ride. Tiresome like a sudden 1/2" turn of the throttle would cause it to wheelie like some old Schwinn Sting Ray. When I'm out for a day's ride I want a good horse, not Secretariat. It got to the point I would look at the bikes in my garage and not choose the FZ for my day's ride. I had my eye on the Tiger 800 XC for awhile. I like motocamping and though this would be a great choice for that. I scheduled a test ride and it just felt so right. Supple, comfortable, fast, forgiving, just so right for me.

[Roadscum]

Thx for the input FJRider...  
I can understand the versatility of the Tiger over the FZ, a better tool for the job you had in hand.

Paul

[bucktownbilly]

hopefully the throttle on the FJ 09 will be toned down a bit since it's a touring bike.  Hear they have a couple of ride modes?  I'm all but sold on this bike.  Like the looks of it better than the Tiger and my right foot won't get toasted

[FJRider]

hopefully the throttle on the FJ 09 will be toned down a bit since it's a touring bike.  Hear they have a couple of ride modes?  I'm all but sold on this bike.  Like the looks of it better than the Tiger and my right foot won't get toasted

There are three throttle modes on the FZ-09

B = Kee-riste this thing is twitchy.
S = WTF???
A = Road, Sky, Road, Sky, ...

[Roadscum]

There are three throttle modes on the FZ-09

B = Kee-riste this thing is twitchy.
S = WTF???
A = Road, Sky, Road, Sky, ...

That's not what I found on the '15 FZ-09 I rode, but it had the updated mapping from the factory. Seems Yamaha is providing free map updates to owners of earlier models at no charge.

I believe you said you had your FZ-09 remapped, was it the factory update? Stoltec? Vcyclenut?

Paul

[squeezer]

hopefully the throttle on the FJ 09 will be toned down a bit since it's a touring bike.  Hear they have a couple of ride modes?  I'm all but sold on this bike.  Like the looks of it better than the Tiger and my right foot won't get toasted

The Yammie guys at the IMS, both on the floor of the show and at the test ride tent (where I rode the FZ-09), said the FJ has a completely different map.

[FJRider]

That's not what I found on the '15 FZ-09 I rode, but it had the updated mapping from the factory. Seems Yamaha is providing free map updates to owners of earlier models at no charge.

I believe you said you had your FZ-09 remapped, was it the factory update? Stoltec? Vcyclenut?

Paul

Nick at Stoltec did my remapping. It helped a lot but still was not something I wanted. The stock ECU has an off throttle engine braking map so severe it would compress the front suspension. Nick addressed all of this an more. But, as a racer he wanted to preserve the HP and performance at all costs. I would have easily sacrificed 5 hp to get a ride-able bike. I'm glad Yamaha changed the map. Try a original mapped version and you will  instantly see what I mean.

Here was my bike.

The Mods are:

Michelin Pilot Power 3's
Full Trackside Suspension and Engineering rework of my suspension
- Penske 8983 Shock with remote
- GP Suspension revalve piston kit
- GP Suspension 90 KG fork springs
Spiegler SS Brake Lines
LED Headlight Conversion
Ermax 25 CM flyscreen
Protaper EVO Bar
Gold Mad Hornets Shorty Levers
Gold Bar Ends
Rizoma grips
Progrip Tank Pad
Techspec tank gripper
Seat Concepts Seat
Yamaha Mesh Vent Covers
T-Rex Racing Engine Guards, Sliders, Axle Sliders
EVO Tech Radiator Guard
EVO Tech Tail Tidy/Tail Light
Smart Brake Light Modulator - Vizi-tec SupaBrake2
ECU Reflash - Stoltec Moto
Pipe? meh. To much $ for a noise maker.

[Roadscum]

Nicely done!  

Thanks for the pictures..

Paul

[Roadscum]

Nicely done!  

Thanks for the pictures..

Paul

[mugwump58]

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