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« on: November 06, 2014, 09:13:49 am »

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/triumph-unveils-four-new-tiger-800s/25827.html

The article title is mis-leading.
It's still 2 models, road-dirt and dirt-road, both with an optional technology package of: three riding modes (throttle maps), ABS, traction control and cruise control.   These get a slightly different model 'name'.

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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2014, 10:15:51 am »

More info

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/11/04/2015-triumph-tiger-800-xr-and-800-xc-adventure-motorcycle-review-first-look-photos/
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2014, 10:27:34 am »

Those used to be called "trim packages" and not models, back in the day.
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2014, 10:49:52 am »

While I welcome the improvements, I also wanted:

- permanent fix for the idle stepper motor issue (shaft gets dirty/stuck, bike won't idle)
- TUBELESS wire spoke wheels for XC
- option of 19" front wheel for XC
- wide ratio transmission for XC (low first gear for off-road use, tall 6th for munching miles on the slab)

Our unpaved "roads" can be very rocky and I'm more than a little nervous about destroying a cast wheel hitting a rock ledge or pothole.

No doubt Woody's Wheels could supply what I want in exchange for a big pile of dead presidents, but the Tiger Explorer XC has those wheels already. Why not use them on the little Tiger too?
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2014, 03:59:23 pm »

I'm mostly hoping it pushes used prices down a bit when I go shopping for one this spring.   

The cheap bastid upside of new models.  Bigok
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« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2014, 02:58:56 pm »

Why are they so convinced the 800 is all we want?  Where is the 1050?
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« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2014, 09:11:13 pm »

If you are interested in the 1050.  You might like the 1250 Explorer.  I think it sits better that the 1050.  Certainly it is lower than the 1050 or the 800.
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« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2014, 11:49:24 pm »


While I welcome the improvements, I also wanted:

- permanent fix for the idle stepper motor issue (shaft gets dirty/stuck, bike won't idle)
- TUBELESS wire spoke wheels for XC
- option of 19" front wheel for XC
- wide ratio transmission for XC (low first gear for off-road use, tall 6th for munching miles on the slab)

Our unpaved "roads" can be very rocky and I'm more than a little nervous about destroying a cast wheel hitting a rock ledge or pothole.

No doubt Woody's Wheels could supply what I want in exchange for a big pile of dead presidents, but the Tiger Explorer XC has those wheels already. Why not use them on the little Tiger too?


Been looking at the 800 XC hard for awhile now.

It's possible that the fly-by-wire may eliminate the stepper and it's associated issues but I'm not super exited about the move to fly-by-wire. Time will tell how well they implement it. One of the things I liked about the tiger was it's limited electronic wizardry.

The fully adjustable WP suspension is a nice upgrade. Though will likely still require valving and springs to make it how I'd want it.

Not sure I like the bodywork better, but I don't hate it so that's a draw.

If I go the 800 XC route I may go for a used and gen1 for now. If the 2015's are all they promise maybe make an upgrade if I generally like the Gen1 after a year or so. That will also buy me time to see if Honda looks like it will actually release a mid-weight true ADV bike here in the US.

 

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« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2014, 07:45:48 pm »


If you are interested in the 1050.  You might like the 1250 Explorer.  I think it sits better that the 1050.  Certainly it is lower than the 1050 or the 800.


Or perhaps a visit to you're local Yamaha dealer is in order to cast eyes on a FJ-09. It's nice, really nice!

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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2014, 10:22:30 pm »




Or perhaps a visit to you're local Yamaha dealer is in order to cast eyes on a FJ-09. It's nice, really nice!

Paul


It's interesting how Yamaha decided to use the exhaust system as a skid plate on the FJ-09
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2014, 09:05:22 am »

It's interesting how Yamaha decided to use the exhaust system as a skid plate on the FJ-09
The FJ-09 is NOT an adventure bike.
It just has a couple adventure styling ques.
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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2014, 10:09:38 am »


The FJ-09 is NOT an adventure bike.
It just has a couple adventure styling ques.


No shit.  Lol

So then, what is it?
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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2014, 05:42:57 pm »




It's interesting how Yamaha decided to use the exhaust system as a skid plate on the FJ-09


Yamaha advertises the FJ-09 as a sport tourer. Ya don't need no stink'n skid plate on a sport tourer.  Lol

That Yamaha triple is one sweet motor......  I gotta have one! Maybe a FZ.

I've been down the triumph road with a Daytona 675 and Tiger 800XC ABS. For me, the Yamaha has those beat hands down, more power, better heat management, and no cam chain singing to me.

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Yamaha advertises the FJ-09 as a sport tourer. Ya don't need no stink'n skid plate on a sport tourer.  Lol

That Yamaha triple is one sweet motor......  I gotta have one! Maybe a FZ.

I've been down the triumph road with a Daytona 675 and Tiger 800XC ABS. For me, the Yamaha has those beat hands down, more power, better heat management, and no cam chain singing to me.

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I had one of the first FZ-09's. Upgraded the suspension and reflashed the ECU. I sold it and, very happily, bought an 800 XC. To each their own.
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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2014, 01:28:02 pm »



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To each their own.


+1    Ttrue dat!  Thumbsup

Was there something specific about the FZ-09 that caused you to move on?
I'm curious because I lust for a 2015 yellow FZ-09....... seems I'm always in lust for my next bike!  Lol

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+1    Ttrue dat!  Thumbsup

Was there something specific about the FZ-09 that caused you to move on?
I'm curious because I lust for a 2015 yellow FZ-09....... seems I'm always in lust for my next bike!  Lol

Paul


It was a a real hoot to ride, but only for awhile. Even with the reflash the throttle was very twitchy. It was so tiresome to ride. Tiresome like a sudden 1/2" turn of the throttle would cause it to wheelie like some old Schwinn Sting Ray. When I'm out for a day's ride I want a good horse, not Secretariat. It got to the point I would look at the bikes in my garage and not choose the FZ for my day's ride. I had my eye on the Tiger 800 XC for awhile. I like motocamping and though this would be a great choice for that. I scheduled a test ride and it just felt so right. Supple, comfortable, fast, forgiving, just so right for me.
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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2014, 09:31:28 am »

Thx for the input FJRider...  Thumbsup
I can understand the versatility of the Tiger over the FZ, a better tool for the job you had in hand.

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« Reply #17 on: November 26, 2014, 10:09:17 am »

hopefully the throttle on the FJ 09 will be toned down a bit since it's a touring bike.  Hear they have a couple of ride modes?  I'm all but sold on this bike.  Like the looks of it better than the Tiger and my right foot won't get toasted EEK!
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« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2014, 11:58:49 am »


hopefully the throttle on the FJ 09 will be toned down a bit since it's a touring bike.  Hear they have a couple of ride modes?  I'm all but sold on this bike.  Like the looks of it better than the Tiger and my right foot won't get toasted EEK!


There are three throttle modes on the FZ-09

B = Kee-riste this thing is twitchy.
S = WTF???
A = Road, Sky, Road, Sky, ...
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There are three throttle modes on the FZ-09

B = Kee-riste this thing is twitchy.
S = WTF???
A = Road, Sky, Road, Sky, ...


That's not what I found on the '15 FZ-09 I rode, but it had the updated mapping from the factory. Seems Yamaha is providing free map updates to owners of earlier models at no charge.

I believe you said you had your FZ-09 remapped, was it the factory update? Stoltec? Vcyclenut?

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« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2014, 02:01:57 pm »

hopefully the throttle on the FJ 09 will be toned down a bit since it's a touring bike.  Hear they have a couple of ride modes?  I'm all but sold on this bike.  Like the looks of it better than the Tiger and my right foot won't get toasted EEK!
The Yammie guys at the IMS, both on the floor of the show and at the test ride tent (where I rode the FZ-09), said the FJ has a completely different map.
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That's not what I found on the '15 FZ-09 I rode, but it had the updated mapping from the factory. Seems Yamaha is providing free map updates to owners of earlier models at no charge.

I believe you said you had your FZ-09 remapped, was it the factory update? Stoltec? Vcyclenut?

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Nick at Stoltec did my remapping. It helped a lot but still was not something I wanted. The stock ECU has an off throttle engine braking map so severe it would compress the front suspension. Nick addressed all of this an more. But, as a racer he wanted to preserve the HP and performance at all costs. I would have easily sacrificed 5 hp to get a ride-able bike. I'm glad Yamaha changed the map. Try a original mapped version and you will  instantly see what I mean.

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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2014, 03:51:17 pm »

Nicely done!  Thumbsup

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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2014, 03:51:44 pm »

Nicely done!  Thumbsup

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