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« Reply #40 on: March 30, 2016, 06:28:51 pm »

It's mainly that lighter bikes are easier to handle on the small and twisty roads, although you'll see a lot of 1200 GS's riding around.
In the end it comes down to personal preference (mine is: light) and although I wouldn't like it, my neighbour rides through the Alps with his K 1600 GTL.
Because of the steep gradients and higher altitudes I wouldn't go too light (below 600cc and 75hp), so don't rent a bike that complies with the European (EU) A2 license. Those are 35KW max and that's too little to really enjoy yourself. You want one for the full 'A' license.

What does make life easier is wide handlebars, so you have enough leverage. My current Street Triple is a whole lot easier in the hairpin turns than my Daytona 675 was. And if you look at the Dark Dog Moto Tour video's, you'll notice almost all of the sportbikes having aftermarket steers: higher and wider.
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« Reply #41 on: April 03, 2016, 05:06:12 pm »

Gotit. Thanks for the information!  Bigok
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« Reply #42 on: April 03, 2016, 11:38:05 pm »

I was 2 up on an RT on the first trip and an R1100S on the second.  Smaller and lighter is definitely better.  When I go back, I'd probably pick something like the BMW F800 GS or the Tiger 800.
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« Reply #43 on: April 03, 2016, 11:52:24 pm »

I hear what you're saying. I know the R1200RT from past rides, and there's enough extended travel to bring me to the RT. We'll see if I guessed right, eh?
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« Reply #44 on: April 07, 2016, 08:21:48 pm »

I just pulled the trigger on the Edelweiss central Alps tour. The fun starts on 3 July. Woohoo!  
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« Reply #45 on: April 08, 2016, 01:32:20 am »

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« Reply #46 on: April 08, 2016, 09:51:37 am »

Great news!  What bike did you choose?
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« Reply #47 on: April 08, 2016, 02:01:38 pm »

Enjoy!  Thumbsup Thumbsup
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« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2016, 02:17:39 pm »

Drop me a line when your plans firm up and we'll see if we can meet up  Bigok
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« Reply #49 on: April 08, 2016, 09:13:26 pm »


Great news!  What bike did you choose?


My #1 choice is a R1200RT, #2 is the GS (so I can be like Gene). I asked about a K1600GT. I had one as a two day loaner and liked it a lot. Edelweiss said "nein!" They're probably right. OTOH, if H-D can do Stelvio Pass, why not a K1600GT? (Whine, whine, whine...)

The RT may well be a handful in the hairpins. But at least one day will be "touring at triple digit speeds". The RT will eat this with a spoon.
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« Reply #50 on: April 08, 2016, 09:14:53 pm »


Drop me a line when your plans firm up and we'll see if we can meet up  Bigok
I'd like very much to do that.  Smile
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My #1 choice is a R1200RT, #2 is the GS (so I can be like Gene). I asked about a K1600GT. I had one as a two day loaner and liked it a lot. Edelweiss said "nein!" They're probably right. OTOH, if H-D can do Stelvio Pass, why not a K1600GT? (Whine, whine, whine...)

The RT may well be a handful in the hairpins. But at least one day will be "touring at triple digit speeds". The RT will eat this with a spoon.


I've done the Stelvio on both a k16gtl and RT. The big K bike is work, the RT was a delight. It's not a supermotard but you'll have fun on the RT.
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« Reply #52 on: April 09, 2016, 12:29:23 pm »

My guess is Edelweiss will totally shoot me down, but I might just noodge them about a K1600GT. I like the new R1200RT, but it's still a boxer, and it still has that "feels like a sewing machine" motion. After riding a nearly turbine-smooth K, boxers just aren't on my purchase list. My K1200RS sometimes demands a bit of effort to make it happy, but, short of winning a lottery, it's not about to be replaced. Even after the ABS modulator failed a loooong way from home.
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« Reply #53 on: April 09, 2016, 01:44:05 pm »

Boxers are well suited for riding "the pace".

I agree with you on the sound. My new R1200RS sounds like an extended fart compared to a hairy-chested Guzzi  Bigsmile But, I'm slowly getting acclimated, thanks in part to the generous torque curve.
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« Reply #54 on: April 09, 2016, 09:37:51 pm »

I'm pretty sure I'm going to use the R1200RS on my tour July 6-16.
Most people suggest that smaller is better in the alps and the lighter weight of the R or RS models, along with luggage capacity and comfort for 2 up riding leads me to these two models. The RT had a bit of added weight and while it has a lot of great features, the bike just wasn't comfortable for me. I felt right at home on the RS.  I also looked into the Honda CBF1000 but Paradise Tours doesn't offer it.

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« Reply #55 on: April 10, 2016, 03:03:57 am »

In a Dutch motorcycle magazine they recently did a comparison of the Aprilia Tuono V4 1100RR, BMW S1000XR, Yamaha YZF-R1 and KTM 1290 Super Adventure. So a naked vs a crossover vs a sportbike vs an allroad. The question was: which is better in the mountains?
They had 2 riders: a professional tester and Joe Average.

Conclusion:
The R1 requires the hardest work to ride. The KTM has a high center of gravity, so it is harder work than you might think. The BMW was easiest to ride.
The professional can go hard with everything, when measured he is about as fast with all bikes but it takes most effort with the R1. Not so Joe Average, the R1 is really hard and exhausting for him and the BMW the easiest to ride fast, followed by the Tuono and the KTM.
Both riders concluded the BMW was the easiest, most relaxed, to ride.
But......what one person experiences as a stressful ride, someone else finds exhilarating. A bike that's hard to ride for some, gives others a satisfied feeling after a long and intense ride. That's not measurable, that is purely subjective. But that determines your fun.
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« Reply #56 on: April 10, 2016, 09:35:37 am »

That certainly mirrors my experience with the bikes I've demoed from my dealer.. The dealer is Hermy's in Port Clinton, PA and the road runs up to Hawk Mountain (ask for directions). Anyway, it's a fairly steep grade and includes turns that approximate hairpin turns. They don't match what I've seen in videos. Among other things, the grade remains constant throughout the turn.

I've, of course, run my K1200RS over the road several times as well as at least three different RT's, a K1300, and the K1600GT. In general, the newer demo bikes do better than the older ones. My K1200RS comes in closer to the newest bikes, but it's a sport bike, albeit several generations behind all but the oldest RT. In fact it was that RT that fared so poorly against the K1200RS that I bought the RS even though I originally planned to buy a boxer.

In various reviews and commentary there are complaints that some bike is so heavy as to be not worthy of consideration. In my experience it's often what the rider brings to the bike as much as what the bike brings to the rider. It will be interesting to see how that opinion holds up in a new riding regime: alpine passes.
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« Reply #57 on: April 13, 2016, 03:07:34 pm »

FWIW, the first time I did Stelvio was on an RT.  While it was certainly no problem, I enjoyed it more on a smaller bike a few years later.  I've done 3 Alps trips so far and I've never again rented something as large as an RT.

But, honestly, you'll love the trip no matter what bike you're on!



Technically Passo Gavia, but it's right next door to Stelvio Smile
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« Reply #58 on: April 13, 2016, 04:27:51 pm »

But it's not South Tyrol anymore, so you can't use German.

I like the Gavia better than the Stelvio, although going down the south side can be somewhat dangerous, being such a small road with a cliff and no barriers. I once had an oncoming rider almost going off that cliff, because he was startled when I came around a corner.
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« Reply #59 on: April 13, 2016, 05:06:56 pm »

I agree, Gavia is better than the Stelvio.
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