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« on: June 30, 2016, 11:01:24 am »

I've resisted writing a "trip report" due to the outcome of that last trip. Those of you that went to the WCRM met my buddy, Steve. He and I have been riding together almost twenty-five years. Tens of thousands of miles together.

A couple of weeks ago I got some free time so we decided to meet in the Lake Powell, UT area. He left from the Gunnison, CO area and I from So Cal. Sorry I missed you Stealth I was in a hurry!! To make a long story short we had a typically great time. 1,996 miles for me in five days which included a couple of days just hanging around in the mountains. On the way home he accompanied me from Gunnison through Lake City and over Wolf Creek Pass. We camped in an RV Park outside of Pagosa Springs which we've camped at before. The next morning he went East and I West. I didn't know it but ten minutes after us separating he hit a deer!!! He smashed his ankle very badly and had surgery the next day in Pagosa Springs. The Orthopod in Montrose tells him that he may lose his foot.

He's been really down and suggested last week that after fifty years of riding he may hang it up. Yesterday he called and told me he has made the decision. Selling all his bikes, trailers and gear.


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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2016, 11:56:04 am »

As you get older, the question isn't IF you will quit riding but when. Oh, there are those who would say when you pry their cold dead fingers etc. But in reality, that isn't reality.

Steve, seemed like a very nice fellow with a fairly storied riding past. Very sorry to hear that a forest rat will end his riding. But who knows? That is a reasonable reaction to what he has been through and is going through. Who knows how he will feel next spring or the spring after?

Give him my best for a speedy recovery.
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2016, 03:58:13 pm »

Very sorry to hear this on all accounts. I can certainly understand Steve's position and I absolutely wish the best for him.

I'm getting to the age (66) where I am experiencing slight diminishing capacities that temper my riding style. Nothing serious, just typical aging stuff. I can still ride the way I want to but there will be a day (hopefully in many more years) where I'll hang it up as well. I did so with sport parachuting (I had been involved off & on since the early 70s) when I began to have depth of perception issues (I wore goggles that could not accommodate my corrective glasses). I never looked back.

Maybe Steve can take up skydiving?

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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2016, 04:06:36 pm »

Thanks for the kind words Bubba and Dan and I will pass them along to him. Who knows, a year from now if things go well he may be ready to jump in again.

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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2016, 04:18:24 pm »

Blue, is Steve the guy that came riding with us at Malibu a while back?  
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2016, 06:11:08 pm »


Blue, is Steve the guy that came riding with us at Malibu a while back?  


No, that was Elver. Elver was my best friend from grammar school and he taught me how to ride when we were fourteen or so!! Elver had not ridden in thirty years or more and had started riding again when we went for a ride with you and Lawn Dart. That's why we had to wait for him so much!!!

Steve is/was my best "riding" buddy.
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2016, 07:16:57 pm »

I've experienced a near melt-down myself about riding.  While no offs or crashes, I experienced way too many close calls in a short span and questioned my desire of riding and associating with such wonderful people over personal well-being.  

After making a rather rash decision, I sold all bikes a bit too soon.  Around four months later, I realized how much I loved something that I recently set free.  I'm 24k miles later with zero pucker moments.   Bigok

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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2016, 08:13:32 pm »




No, that was Elver. Elver was my best friend from grammar school and he taught me how to ride when we were fourteen or so!! Elver had not ridden in thirty years or more and had started riding again when we went for a ride with you and Lawn Dart. That's why we had to wait for him so much!!!

Steve is/was my best "riding" buddy.



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« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2016, 01:18:28 am »

Sorry to hear about your buddy's deer encounter, surgery, and the possibility of further medical issues.

His being injured bad enough to require surgery is enough to bring any rider down.  Adding in the diagnosis of maybe losing the foot makes it even worse.  I can only imagine how depressed a rider would get  in facing what your buddy is going through.  Selling the bikes might be good in the short term till he finds out where he'll be in a few months, he can always reacquire new motorcycles, trailers and gear.  BTW, I had an accident in Colorado about the same time.  I was fortunate to not get hurt, but totaled my Ninja.  And looking at it on the trailer at home really got me down.  I've ridden my other bike since then, but the accident is still with me.

Wishing Steve the best of possibilities, including maybe riding again.
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« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2016, 03:14:28 am »

Almost exact same thing happened to my Dad, the only person I enjoyed riding with.  He was on a wing and not injured or crashed but it was enough for him to hang it up. Sold his ST13 and Wing after he got it fixed.
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« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2016, 09:44:49 am »

I remember Steve from WCRM. Sorry to hear about his accident - deer should be either dinner or gloves.

If this happened to me, I would be reluctant to sell stuff until I see how things really turn out. He might not lose his foot, but he might need his ankle fused. Ankles are complex. Then there is the pain issue. Yes, it is depressing to contemplate, but we are just a month out from this accident. Healing is going to be a process. And doctors have been wrong before.

I think selling his stuff does not help his mental state - the depression worries me more than the injury. He needs hope.

I'll be thinking positive thoughts today on Steve's behalf.
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« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2016, 10:34:00 am »

Sad to hear, but we all have to accept motorcycling for what it is: a thrill that is laced with hazards.

The last time I quit riding, it lasted for 15yrs.  It wasn't accident related; I just quit.  I had no regret nor sorrow.  I didn't think at all about motorcycling during that time, but I also knew once a motorcyclist, always a motorcyclist.

I enjoy it now to the fullest extent possible, borderline going nuts at times.  If at any moment circumstances dictate I can have it no more, I would be at peace and grateful for what I had.  As avid a motorcyclist as I am - and have been - it is far from the only worthy passion in life.  Let your buddy chart his own course - however/whatever he chooses.
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2016, 11:16:04 am »

With my knees, I question it every time I get near the bike. All the metal in me... I'm truly and honestly afraid of what could happen if I go down hard. :\
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2016, 03:19:06 pm »

Beat wishes to Steve for a quick recovery.
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2016, 06:39:23 pm »

Sorry to hear that. Wish him the best.

I contemplated quitting for awhile after a crash in 2007 that could have been so much worse. I just missed the car that had turned out in front of me and instead just had a long slide down the highway, some sprains, minor road rash and a couple stitches. It really does make you think twice. By the next spring though I was feeling much more positive and have kept riding. I became more cautious, and now that I'm 61 I have definitely slowed my pace a bit through twisty roads. Slower reflexes, slower cognitive processing, poorer eyesight: all good reasons to slow down a bit.
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« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2016, 07:44:34 pm »

Very nice replies here. Steve lives in paradise, at 10,000', so he does not have cell coverage until he comes out of the mountains. When he comes out he always calls me so I will pass along the nice comments/wishes from you all.    Smile

I did tell him about ten days ago to not even think about bikes and to concentrate on healing. He will be immobile for probably the rest of the year. So maybe he will change his mind next Summer when he is, hopefully, back to getting around.

From my point of view the only time I really considered giving up bikes was the first year of riding in 1974. I blew a corner on my H1 500 two stroke. Didn't break anything but got scraped up and it scared the heck out of me. My other goof ups have been "what did I do wrong and what can I do to not do that again".

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« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2016, 08:33:29 pm »

Blue...

Here is a thread for Steve to read.

https://www.sport-touring.net/forums/index.php/topic,57250.0.html#.V3cHWZMrKAw

Many here have had ankle injuries at various levels of severity. I believe veefer800canuck wins the pool for the most smashed up. His was so smashed up, he was not a candidate for ankle replacement (not enough bone to attach), but instead had his left ankle fused. And he now has an electronic shifter to help him ride. He also faced amputation as an option.

In any case, I would pass the thread referenced above to Steve and encourage him to get another opinion.

Keep us posted.
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« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2016, 08:42:47 pm »

Your friend has chosen not to ride. It doesn't change you. It doesn't change your friend. It changes something you shared. If there is more to the friendship then it will continue, if not, it probably won't. Personally, given where your friend lives, I'd make a point of riding to his place often to check and see how he's doing... Bring something along to sip on, sit on his front porch and watch the world slowly turn from 10,000' up. Smile

Most of us will reach a point when we hang up the keys to our motorcycles. I don't know when that time will come knocking for me but I feel it coming. Got some riding to do yet before it gets here though. Wink
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« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2016, 10:34:30 pm »

VifferG, I will pass that along to him.

WB, Steve and I will remain very good friends for sure. I can't count the times I have ridden to his cabin alone just for a get-a-way ride and visit.



Over the years we've always looked for an excuse to ride. Our riding styles have been pretty similar, and being friends, there has always been a little give and take related to miles traveled, speed and so forth. I just am sad that we won't be riding together if things remain the same. It will be next year before the dust settles on this terrible injury. Who knows I'll just have to wait and see.
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« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2016, 11:13:14 am »

I'm very sorry to have to read through this thread, but I want to offer another point.

Steve is not only probably being sensible, but very, very brave.  One of these days most of us will face the decision of when to quit, and it's not an easy one.

It takes more guts to quit, than to keep on doing something you've been doing for decades.

What else do you two share in common, so as to keep up the contact?
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« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2016, 09:42:32 pm »


I'm very sorry to have to read through this thread, but I want to offer another point.

Steve is not only probably being sensible, but very, very brave.  One of these days most of us will face the decision of when to quit, and it's not an easy one.

It takes more guts to quit, than to keep on doing something you've been doing for decades.

What else do you two share in common, so as to keep up the contact?


Well, we were brothers-in-law in the early 90s. His wife(now ex) was my ex wife's sister. We also were avid bike nuts so we hit it off. He's an outdoor person as I am and many other common hobbies. We will definitely continue being friends.
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« Reply #21 on: July 03, 2016, 08:22:44 pm »


Thanks for the kind words Bubba and Dan and I will pass them along to him. Who knows, a year from now if things go well he may be ready to jump in again.

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Very true but it's all about not making THAT mistake. Also, no deer up here...(I'm at about 11:00 in the yellow and black)

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« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2016, 10:50:04 am »

WOW, it's the first step out of a perfectly good airplane that is the hardest.
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« Reply #23 on: July 07, 2016, 12:02:44 pm »

Blue, that's rough news about Steve. I had a great time chatting with you guys in the motel lobby that rainy Saturday morning in Fortuna back in May; I remember you both talking about how you were bros-in-law at one point in the nineties. Please pass on the concern and well-wishes of a random Canadian rider - it sounds like he has some months of hardship to face but here's hoping for the quickest and fullest recovery possible. Even if Steve gives up riding, you've got those great memories and still have your close friend.

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« Reply #24 on: July 07, 2016, 09:13:04 pm »

Looks like the prayers and positive thoughts of us all are working. Steve called today after coming out of the mountains for his doctor's appointment. The doctor says healing is progressing well and she removed the stitches. He sounded much better than the last time I spoke to him. Amputation isn't on the radar screen any longer!! Once the "cellulitis" he contracted the day of his accident operation is resolved, the doctor will fuse the ankle. He will lose 10% or more articulation but that is much better than getting his ankle chopped.

I did tell him of all your well wishes and he wants me to give you all a BIG thank you.




We didn't speak bikes at all. He did tell me that he has been visited the last three nights by a bear. It has bent his overhead lights at his garage door and back door!! How big is that? He thinks he heard it last night but didn't want to get out of bed to stumble bump over to the window.
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« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2016, 05:45:53 pm »

Sorry to hear he wants to hang it up! Sad I almost did the same after breaking my collar bone so bad that my arm was numb from the bone pressing on a nerve. Two days later and a plate, I could feel my arm again. My riding buddy is my son.... He said, "Dad just get back out there and lets have some more fun before we can't".......
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Sorry to hear he wants to hang it up! Sad I almost did the same after breaking my collar bone so bad that my arm was numb from the bone pressing on a nerve. Two days later and a plate, I could feel my arm again. My riding buddy is my son.... He said, "Dad just get back out there and lets have some more fun before we can't".......


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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2016, 02:39:18 am »

Sorry to hear of Steve's injury, wishing him a quick and complete recovery. I'm a stone's throw from 63 years old and have been riding for 50 years now. Just took a 3 day trip through central Oregon with my best riding buddy (wife's cousin) and it was great but painful. 200 to 300 mile days in the saddle just hurt, mostly ass and legs. Not considering quitting but seem to be doing a very slow fade. Was planning a 4 state trip (OR, NV, ID, WA) with the highlight being Highway 50 start to finish and really excited about it, but after this trip I have to wonder if I can physically tolerate it. Ten or even five years ago it wouldn't have been an issue. What did Neil Young sing in My, My, Hey, Hey, "better to burn out than fade away".
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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2016, 05:20:39 pm »

My buddy, Steve, came out of the mountains today and we talked for quite awhile. His right ankle is doing well. He is driving now.   EEK!

In December the doc plans on putting two screws in his leg/ankle and he will lose about 10% movement. Not really too bad, considering. He's been in a good mood so his brief depression after the accident has worn away. He figures by June next year he will be as good as he's going to get.

He still wants to sell all his bikes, trailers and gear. I agreed with him and offered that next year he may decide to try it again which he was open to.


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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2016, 06:14:55 pm »

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« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2016, 09:33:25 pm »

 Bigok  to your  Bigok,  indeed!!
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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2016, 05:19:00 pm »

A guy in a club I belong too lost his lower leg in a crash.
That was 15 years ago, and he still rides.
He's got a hand controlled rear brake now.
I think if you're truly passionate about something, you can't give it up if there's any way to make it work.
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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2016, 10:11:51 pm »

Spoke to Steve today and he is really getting along well. Dr. says she will put a 15* "wedge" in his ankle when the swelling goes down.  Headscratch
Steve was starting/warming up some of his motorcycles today and says he is in again.   Bigok   He's already looking for replacement parts for his Triumph that the deer got. So, looks like my 'ol riding buddy is back in.


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« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2016, 10:46:47 pm »

Good news. Thumbsup
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Good news. Thumbsup
I had a nasty event this week which I will elaborate on,  once I figure out what happened. Headscratch There have been several moments since contemplating the pain to pleasure ratio. But I imagine I will continue.


 EEK! oh noes!!!!!

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Good news. Thumbsup
I had a nasty event this week which I will elaborate on,  once I figure out what happened. Headscratch There have been several moments since contemplating the pain to pleasure ratio. But I imagine I will continue.


Well, I'm glad you are writing about it. Could have been worse.

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Please fill us in on the details.


Sorry to be dramatic. I will see my bike Thursday when I get out of hospital after a week. Police tell me rear wheel (guzzi) came off and is missing. I have no memory of the accident near Christina Lake. Lots of broken ribs, punctured lung, soft tissue damage etc. Painful, but will heal, nothing permanent. More to follow as I figure this out. Rather disturbing.

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Yikes!   EEK!

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« Reply #38 on: August 24, 2016, 02:28:46 pm »

Sorry to hear about this Jim. Sad When did this happen?  My wife and I rode through Christina Lake Saturday, August 20th. Just wondering if we crossed paths.
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« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2016, 04:59:06 pm »

Jim, really sorry and frightening to hear. I wish you a speedy recovery and hope you figure out what happened. Curious to know if it was a mechanical failure - weird the wheel is missing.

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« Reply #40 on: August 25, 2016, 01:46:51 pm »

Bubba, Steve came out of the mountains and called me today. He told me to write to you and give you HIS best wishes. He says you two should get together and have a drink over telling your stories!!

The last bad get off I had was in 1994 and I don't want to remember what happened. I ended up breaking ribs, collapsing a lung and breaking my scapula. In half!! Three surgeries and a lot of rehab.
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« Reply #41 on: August 25, 2016, 11:04:21 pm »

Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Heal up as quickly as you can, although ribs always take a while. I hope you will be able to reconstruct what happened, I crashed my bicycle in the Bay Area a few years ago and to this day have no idea what the cause was - about 8 hours never came back.
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« Reply #42 on: August 25, 2016, 11:13:37 pm »

My last get off was about 5 years ago when I had a close encounter with a deer. I had broken ribs and a fractured clavicle. Broken ribs are no fun. It hurt to cough, laugh and get out of bed. It even hurt to have my morning constitutional. I've had broken ribs 3 times now. It takes about 6 weeks for them to heal. Get offs suck big time.
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« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2016, 10:53:06 am »

This happened Thurs 18th about 11am,  8 km east of Christina Lake.

Bike may or may not be a write off, will find out early next week.

The wheel is missing but the CARC is intact. That means the bolts came loose. I changed the tire 5500 km ago and added a new wheel mount bolt as one was rough threading. Torqued as per spec. That is my 5th rear I have changed on the Guzzi and follow usual steps. Or did I ? Somehow it came loose.

The wheel is missing. I am in no shape to go look for it but Police and Respnders could not find it. So my fault for somehow not torquing properly  Shrug I can see no other cause.

Volunteer Firefighter told me I was found laying on centreline of Highway 3 unconscious. I came to about 25 mins later in ambulance just before hospital and despite visiting crash scene, on way home, can remember nothing other than a growing vibration through bike and making a quick decision to pull over asap. From there nada.

I have many broken ribs and some with two breaks. My lung was punctured and a separated rib at my sternum that hurts even worse than everything else. My whole right side is a deep purple bruise about 25% of my body. Lots of sore spots and one dime sized road rash at my wrist. My RevIt! Gear did a good job of protecting knees and shoulders etc. Breaks are on my side below armpit. Scorpion helmet is toast but saved my bacon and has one good sized divot and scraping.

So I am very lucky to come through this relatively well considering.

Reviewed my X-rays, scan and ultrasounds with my Dr yesterday.  Internal bleeding has stopped. No blood in brain. All good.  I weighed 246 lbs when I got home. Normally weigh 228. The rest is blood and fluid as I am swollen up pretty good.

But the reality is rib damage is severe and will take about 6 weeks to mend even before I start strengthening. So ... My trip to ride Baja in just over 6 weeks from now, ...is off. No way I will be ready for that kind of riding or sleeping on the Beach. So will set a new date in the Spring. Disappointed in the extreme, but it is what it is.

I am fortunate to have the opportunity to replan. Also fortunate to have an amazing family who support me. Not once has Karina or my daughter suggested it is time to hang up. Instead I am encouraged to begin shopping for new gear. Amazing !  Inlove

Thanks for all your kind words and messages. Sorry Blue ! Tell Steve I would love to meet again.  Thumbsup Never ridden Colorado and it's about time.
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« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2016, 11:18:46 am »

Don't beat yourself over something you may or may not have done. M.Brane found that his rear axel bolt had backed out slightly during one of his routine checks. He may add some detail later as to how he found this. And he does torque to spec. Still it seems prudent to check that axel bolt periodically. With our aging eyes it's possible to set the torque incorrectly as well.

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« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2016, 04:16:33 pm »

On the Guzzi there are Four bolts holding wheel to the SSSA. One working loose maybe ... but four?  
Maybe I got Jim Goosed?  Shrug
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« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2016, 05:33:27 pm »

Well... here's another real life story.

We changed the tires on the race car and it was up on jack stands in our driveway. The owner just tightened them enough to keep the wheels on and lowered the car to put weight on the tires so they could be torqued... at a later time. Well that was forgotten... and we went to Las Vegas Motor Speedway for a race. Never checked the lug nuts. Sure enough the right wheel came off during the race.... Doh!

So yes, one could have a brain fart... it happens.

Edit: I guess when you are able to look at the bike you might learn more judging on what is missing - it might be more than the wheel....
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« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2016, 06:59:43 pm »

 Good to see you are still with us Jim!

 Curious to find the cause of the failure. The Guzzi is a shafty so unlikely it was an axle nut issue like happened to a VFR rider recently. If it was lugs was it the studs or the nuts? Forensic mechanics when you can get around to it. Crashing sucks no matter the cause. Heal well.
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« Reply #48 on: August 28, 2016, 11:24:56 am »

After my last get-off I had a broken collar bone and broken ribs. I was surprised my family doctor had me in physio-therapy very shortly after the accident. The physio people had me working gently at first on strength and range of motion exercises. I also went for cold laser therapy to promote the healing. The physio folks also had me go to the local hot springs to work on gentle range of motion exercise in the hot water. I don't know what worked best but I sure healed up quickly with no ill effects from the crash. As soon as I was physically able I took the wife's bike out for some short rides to make sure their weren't any gremlins setting up camp in my head.

Listen to the docs, get into physio and don't be afraid to check out alternative treatments once you feel up to it. Heal up quickly and when your ready get back up on the horse and ride. Don't forget to milk the sympathy the wife and family are feeling for you for all its worth. It won't last long.  Lol
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I've resisted writing a "trip report" due to the outcome of that last trip. Those of you that went to the WCRM met my buddy, Steve. He and I have been riding together almost twenty-five years. Tens of thousands of miles together.

A couple of weeks ago I got some free time so we decided to meet in the Lake Powell, UT area. He left from the Gunnison, CO area and I from So Cal. Sorry I missed you Stealth I was in a hurry!! To make a long story short we had a typically great time. 1,996 miles for me in five days which included a couple of days just hanging around in the mountains. On the way home he accompanied me from Gunnison through Lake City and over Wolf Creek Pass. We camped in an RV Park outside of Pagosa Springs which we've camped at before. The next morning he went East and I West. I didn't know it but ten minutes after us separating he hit a deer!!! He smashed his ankle very badly and had surgery the next day in Pagosa Springs. The Orthopod in Montrose tells him that he may lose his foot.

He's been really down and suggested last week that after fifty years of riding he may hang it up. Yesterday he called and told me he has made the decision. Selling all his bikes, trailers and gear.


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« Reply #50 on: September 01, 2016, 12:57:21 pm »


This happened Thurs 18th about 11am,  8 km east of Christina Lake.

Bike may or may not be a write off, will find out early next week.

The wheel is missing but the CARC is intact. That means the bolts came loose. I changed the tire 5500 km ago and added a new wheel mount bolt as one was rough threading. Torqued as per spec. That is my 5th rear I have changed on the Guzzi and follow usual steps. Or did I ? Somehow it came loose.

The wheel is missing. I am in no shape to go look for it but Police and Respnders could not find it. So my fault for somehow not torquing properly  Shrug I can see no other cause.

Volunteer Firefighter told me I was found laying on centreline of Highway 3 unconscious. I came to about 25 mins later in ambulance just before hospital and despite visiting crash scene, on way home, can remember nothing other than a growing vibration through bike and making a quick decision to pull over asap. From there nada.

I have many broken ribs and some with two breaks. My lung was punctured and a separated rib at my sternum that hurts even worse than everything else. My whole right side is a deep purple bruise about 25% of my body. Lots of sore spots and one dime sized road rash at my wrist. My RevIt! Gear did a good job of protecting knees and shoulders etc. Breaks are on my side below armpit. Scorpion helmet is toast but saved my bacon and has one good sized divot and scraping.

So I am very lucky to come through this relatively well considering.

Reviewed my X-rays, scan and ultrasounds with my Dr yesterday.  Internal bleeding has stopped. No blood in brain. All good.  I weighed 246 lbs when I got home. Normally weigh 228. The rest is blood and fluid as I am swollen up pretty good.

But the reality is rib damage is severe and will take about 6 weeks to mend even before I start strengthening. So ... My trip to ride Baja in just over 6 weeks from now, ...is off. No way I will be ready for that kind of riding or sleeping on the Beach. So will set a new date in the Spring. Disappointed in the extreme, but it is what it is.

I am fortunate to have the opportunity to replan. Also fortunate to have an amazing family who support me. Not once has Karina or my daughter suggested it is time to hang up. Instead I am encouraged to begin shopping for new gear. Amazing !  Inlove

Thanks for all your kind words and messages. Sorry Blue ! Tell Steve I would love to meet again.  Thumbsup Never ridden Colorado and it's about time.


I too am glad to hear you're ok.
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To bring you(TG) up to speed: Steve's healing process is developing very well, amputation of Steve's leg is not being discussed/considered now, his post accident depression is a thing of the past and he has started researching/planning the repair of his Triumph Rocket 3.

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« Reply #53 on: September 03, 2016, 03:16:56 pm »

This happened Thurs 18th about 11am,  8 km east of Christina Lake.

Bike may or may not be a write off, will find out early next week.

The wheel is missing but the CARC is intact. That means the bolts came loose. I changed the tire 5500 km ago and added a new wheel mount bolt as one was rough threading. Torqued as per spec. That is my 5th rear I have changed on the Guzzi and follow usual steps. Or did I ? Somehow it came loose.

The wheel is missing. I am in no shape to go look for it but Police and Respnders could not find it. So my fault for somehow not torquing properly  Shrug I can see no other cause.

Volunteer Firefighter told me I was found laying on centreline of Highway 3 unconscious. I came to about 25 mins later in ambulance just before hospital and despite visiting crash scene, on way home, can remember nothing other than a growing vibration through bike and making a quick decision to pull over asap. From there nada.

I have many broken ribs and some with two breaks. My lung was punctured and a separated rib at my sternum that hurts even worse than everything else. My whole right side is a deep purple bruise about 25% of my body. Lots of sore spots and one dime sized road rash at my wrist. My RevIt! Gear did a good job of protecting knees and shoulders etc. Breaks are on my side below armpit. Scorpion helmet is toast but saved my bacon and has one good sized divot and scraping.

So I am very lucky to come through this relatively well considering.

Reviewed my X-rays, scan and ultrasounds with my Dr yesterday.  Internal bleeding has stopped. No blood in brain. All good.  I weighed 246 lbs when I got home. Normally weigh 228. The rest is blood and fluid as I am swollen up pretty good.

But the reality is rib damage is severe and will take about 6 weeks to mend even before I start strengthening. So ... My trip to ride Baja in just over 6 weeks from now, ...is off. No way I will be ready for that kind of riding or sleeping on the Beach. So will set a new date in the Spring. Disappointed in the extreme, but it is what it is.

I am fortunate to have the opportunity to replan. Also fortunate to have an amazing family who support me. Not once has Karina or my daughter suggested it is time to hang up. Instead I am encouraged to begin shopping for new gear. Amazing !  Inlove

Thanks for all your kind words and messages. Sorry Blue ! Tell Steve I would love to meet again.  Thumbsup Never ridden Colorado and it's about time.
I hope you'd get better soon!

Now I start getting paranoid will loctite all the bolts from now on.
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« Reply #54 on: October 21, 2016, 07:37:30 pm »

Steve had his final correction surgery this week. In a couple of months they will go back in to remove a "strap" that is holding things in place.

He has been working on the Triumph and has it running again. Gas tank painted back to original, repaired radiator and various minor repairs. He has to locate a fuel gauge and handlebar set. He has decidided to keep all the other bikes although I think he would sell his Goldwing if someone offered to buy it.
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Steve had his final correction surgery this week. In a couple of months they will go back in to remove a "strap" that is holding things in place.

He has been working on the Triumph and has it running again. Gas tank painted back to original, repaired radiator and various minor repairs. He has to locate a fuel gauge and handlebar set. He has decidided to keep all the other bikes although I think he would sell his Goldwing if someone offered to buy it.
We're talking about riding next year!!


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Nice turn-around! Excellent! Say hi to Steve for me, will ya?

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« Reply #57 on: November 02, 2016, 06:22:41 pm »

Just read the story...have talked about this with my riding buddies (including my younger brother) a few times over the years.  Dangerously close to 50 now, hit a deer outside of Durango CO in May of 2015 on my previous ZX14 (2006 model), and was incredibly lucky not to crash, although $4k+ worth of fairing, fender etc had to be replaced.
Bought a 2013 ZX14R same summer, so I still on occasion like to up the pace, but man, that deer kept effing with my head for about a year....literally imagining them on the side of the road and then realizing it was just a bush or a rock or whatever.  Now, 18mos or so later, the fear is mostly gone...mostly, and that was sans injury.  My best to your friend, very glad to hear that he is getting back into it.  Reminds of the old t-shirt motto, "you dont stop riding because you get old, you get old because you stop riding"  Happy roads and safe travels to one and all...
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« Reply #58 on: November 03, 2016, 07:49:56 am »

I had a low side about a decade back in a left-hand turn.  To this day, I'm more "twitchy" about left hand curves than I am on right-hand ones.
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« Reply #59 on: November 03, 2016, 01:11:14 pm »

Tim- Bad thing about deer is you just never know where or when they will jump out at you. Glad your experience didn't end the game for you.

Zero- Somehow bad events just paint all similar situations with the same brush. Kind of sticks with you. Can make you a better rider, though.


Steve came out of the mountains yesterday for a scheduled follow-up doctor's appointment and they identified an infection.    He's in the hospital right now. They had to open his surgical site for a "wash". Not good. I hope it is not MRSA.
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« Reply #60 on: November 03, 2016, 01:19:39 pm »

I hope not either. Going to keep him in my thoughts today.

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« Reply #61 on: November 03, 2016, 07:29:01 pm »


I hope not either. Going to keep him in my thoughts today.

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I'll pass your positive vibes along to him when he calls tomorrow.
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« Reply #62 on: November 03, 2016, 08:34:22 pm »


I hope not either. Going to keep him in my thoughts today.

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Mine too.
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« Reply #63 on: April 21, 2017, 10:13:11 am »

An update.

His surgeries are over. Infection is resolved. He got through the Winter in the mountains. He is walking without a crutch and strengthening his muscles and limbering up his ligaments/stuff.

Since he decided not to give up bike riding, he found a steal and bought a 2013 FJR1300 with 5,800 miles on it and he paid an obscenely low price for it. So now he has, what, seven motorcycles? We have a couple of good rides planned already. Next week we'll meet in Arizona and ride around a bit.

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« Reply #64 on: April 21, 2017, 11:09:15 am »

Please pass on my congrats to Steve! It is no easy task to get on the beast that bit you and overcoming that aspect of a bike crash is perhaps the most difficult.  Bigok
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« Reply #65 on: April 21, 2017, 09:55:07 pm »


Please pass on my congrats to Steve! It is no easy task to get on the beast that bit you and overcoming that aspect of a bike crash is perhaps the most difficult.  Bigok


Looks like I will be leaving to meet him next Friday. I will pass your good wishes along, Jim.
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« Reply #66 on: April 21, 2017, 10:26:03 pm »

Well now you both have FJRs.... what a coincidence!  Lol

You tell him 'hello' from me when you see him, ya hear?  Bigok
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Well now you both have FJRs.... what a coincidence!  Lol

You tell him 'hello' from me when you see him, ya hear?  Bigok


He always liked my 2005 FJR and rode it many times. His Goldwing is too big for some of the areas we ride in and his Hayabusa doesn't carry much. And I will tell him you say hi, Kris.
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« Reply #68 on: September 01, 2018, 06:33:56 pm »

I received terrible news today. Ever since Steve had a collision with that deer two years ago his right ankle has not been 100%. He has been in the hospital/doctor's office off and on ever since.

He is in the hospital today in Montrose, CO. He was in extreme pain yesterday and went in for emergency surgery. He has a bacterial infection on the bone. They will cut on him again tomorrow. He has a 50% chance of losing his right foot.

Two weeks ago I went to visit him and he was complaining about his ankle then.
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« Reply #69 on: September 02, 2018, 06:38:54 am »

Let’s wish for the best for your friend
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« Reply #70 on: September 04, 2018, 02:09:39 pm »


I received terrible news today. Ever since Steve had a collision with that deer two years ago his right ankle has not been 100%. He has been in the hospital/doctor's office off and on ever since.

He is in the hospital today in Montrose, CO. He was in extreme pain yesterday and went in for emergency surgery. He has a bacterial infection on the bone. They will cut on him again tomorrow. He has a 50% chance of losing his right foot.

Two weeks ago I went to visit him and he was complaining about his ankle then.


Sad, very sad news!! We sometimes think that infections are something ease to deal with, thanks to new medicatiom.
But not always... We are praying for him.
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« Reply #71 on: September 04, 2018, 02:51:24 pm »

Please tell Steve I am sending positive thoughts his way and give me my best wishes for a positive recovery !

It was awesome meeting you two, in the rain. Remind what Steve rode there  ?
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« Reply #72 on: September 05, 2018, 10:38:07 pm »

Thanks guys I will pass along the good thoughts.

Steve rode his Hayabusa that trip. He has six seven bikes.
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« Reply #73 on: September 22, 2018, 09:16:53 am »

Haven't visited in awhile. Bummed to read this. Any update?

Give Steve my best....
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« Reply #74 on: September 23, 2018, 09:18:15 am »


Haven't visited in awhile. Bummed to read this. Any update?

Give Steve my best....


He is out of the hospital and currently in a rehab facility. He still has a PICC line(tube that goes into arm and half way to heart) for the heavy duty antibiotics. As of now he is doing as well as can be expected. When he was in the hospital they opened him up every other day to work on cleaning the infected area up. He has been getting physical therapy every day while in rehab. I think it will be a couple more weeks until they can make a prediction on his beating the infection.

I will be heading up in a couple of weeks when he is out of the rehab to help him around his cabin. I always tell him of the positive comments you lousy bikers riding friends here express.

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« Reply #75 on: September 29, 2018, 06:04:34 pm »

Steve came out of the rehab yesterday.       Smile       Doctor says incision looks good, his white blood cell count is normal so they booted him out which he has been hoping for. Curiously, the doctor has him on the antibiotics every day for a month. He has to come out of the mountains and travel 25 miles for an infusion of the drugs into the PICC line. That sounds to me like they are still afraid of some small level of the bad bugs. I think they gave him MRSA.

My church is big enough that we have a Saturday service which I am attending tonight and then tomarrow I will be on the bike at 6:00a to go help Steve. He will need a pallet of wood burning pellets for the Winter and he wants to move two trailers that contain six of his bikes. Hopefully, we'll be done by Tuesday.


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« Reply #76 on: October 11, 2018, 05:03:43 am »

Got back from helping Steve out. I helped winterize his cabin and machinery.  He called yesterday when he was done with his antibiotic infusion. He left the cabin with 5" of fresh snow on the ground!! Not good. He is on crutches and they quit plowing the road one mile from his cabin. If he can't get back all the way in four wheel drive then he has to park at the turn around and walk in on crutches. He has a snow cat but that is tough getting in and out of with a bum leg.

He is calling me today when he has phone coverage to let me know he's OK. Not good. He would love to take me up on my offer for him to come here until his leg is OK but he has to receive the treatment there.         Sad
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« Reply #77 on: November 10, 2018, 11:29:12 pm »

Steve is off the antibiotics, his xray looks like he has good bone growth, the incision looks good and his white cell blood count is normal so the doc thinks he is doing well. Doc wants him to start putting up to 50% of his weight on his bum leg. Very good news.

I always tell him of your comments.        Smile
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« Reply #78 on: November 11, 2018, 01:32:50 am »

Blue. Tell Steve this is the worst time. It kind of craters you. So much wrong, much effort.
When I was in bad shape two years ago. A male nurse gave me great advice about just moving. He called it “Motion is your Lotion” it’s hard everyday but perversely, that’s the fun.

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« Reply #79 on: July 16, 2019, 10:32:31 am »

Here's a picture of Steve on Hwy 149 as he followed me back home to Albuquerque last week, 7/12/19. He is doing much, much better. His leg bothers him a bit but it sure is better than trying to ride one legged.
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I always tell him of your comments.        Smile


Is that safe???


I'm glad to see that he's out having fun again!
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Is that safe???


I'm glad to see that he's out having fun again!




Thanks. I only tell him of the good comments!!!
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« Reply #82 on: July 16, 2019, 08:19:53 pm »


Here's a picture of Steve on Hwy 149 as he followed me back home to Albuquerque last week, 7/12/19. He is doing much, much better. His leg bothers him a bit but it sure is better than trying to ride one legged.


Glad he is doing better.
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« Reply #83 on: July 17, 2019, 04:56:44 pm »

He came from hitting the deer, almost losing the foot and selling all his bikes to riding again.

That is quite the turn-around.

I decided to hang it up in '09 after I crashed and broke my leg in 3 places, but could only stay away a year or two.

Glad he's OK. I hope the goddamn deer didn't make it.
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He came from hitting the deer, almost losing the foot and selling all his bikes to riding again.

That is quite the turn-around.

I decided to hang it up in '09 after I crashed and broke my leg in 3 places, but could only stay away a year or two.

Glad he's OK. I hope the goddamn deer didn't make it.



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As for Steve, I hoped after his healing was over he would have a change of heart. Which he did, thank goodness. And as for the deer? He got what he deserved, as he was crawling away on his front legs because his back end got smashed by Steve's Triumph Rocket 3, a passerby put the deer out of his misery.
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« Reply #85 on: July 21, 2019, 07:53:40 pm »

Riding an FJR can lift anyone's spirits. Great news about Steve and say hi to him for me, okay?

I still have my 2014 FJR and getting ready for a weeks ride with 3 guys I got into motorcycling back in the mid 60s. Lots of great memories to share with this group.

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Riding an FJR can lift anyone's spirits. Great news about Steve and say hi to him for me, okay?

I still have my 2014 FJR and getting ready for a weeks ride with 3 guys I got into motorcycling back in the mid 60s. Lots of great memories to share with this group.

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I sure will pass your greetings along. Let me know if you guys ever get over to the SW part of the country.
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The first time I ever crashed I thought that's the end of that experiment. But I decided to not quit a loser and figure out what happened and I learned from it.

As for Steve, I hoped after his healing was over he would have a change of heart. Which he did, thank goodness. And as for the deer? He got what he deserved, as he was crawling away on his front legs because his back end got smashed by Steve's Triumph Rocket 3, a passerby put the deer out of his misery.


I'm happy for Steve!
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« Reply #88 on: August 20, 2019, 11:09:13 pm »




I'm happy for Steve!



Thanks.


Last Friday I went to Creede, CO to meet Steve for lunch. We then went South to Chama, NM and tent camped for the night. He followed me back home to Rio Rancho, NM and just left this morning, Tuesday, to go back to the Gunnison, CO area.  The picture is of his 2002 Honda Goldwing and my 2012 FJR1300.

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« Reply #89 on: January 18, 2021, 07:28:47 pm »

I have to update everyone on my best riding buddy, Steve. He owns TEN motorcycles now. Three months ago he sold out and moved from the Gunnison, CO area here! He bought five acres on South 14 and living in a toyhauler as he prepares to build.

HE JUST BOUGHT HIS TENTH BIKE! a 2017 KTM SUPER DUKE GT!! Wanna guess where it came from?          Bigsmile
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« Reply #90 on: January 18, 2021, 09:00:36 pm »



HE JUST BOUGHT HIS TENTH BIKE! a 2017 KTM SUPER DUKE GT!! Wanna guess where it came from?          Bigsmile


You already sold yours?
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« Reply #91 on: January 18, 2021, 10:16:02 pm »




You already sold yours?


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« Reply #92 on: January 19, 2021, 12:00:49 am »




Yep


Oh no

What happened ?
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« Reply #93 on: January 19, 2021, 08:10:13 am »




Oh no

What happened ?


As reported elsewhere here, me and the VTwin thing just wasn't working too well. When I mentioned to Steve that it really bugged me he said SOLD! I tried to talk him out of it, really! He had nine bikes!     He needs to get his living situation handled before he starts spending fun money. In my opinion. But, he said he has his financial situation all planned out and it wasn't a problem. I told him, as he already knew, that I always give others good deals when I sell something but no way was I going to take a loss here. So we figured out what I needed and he pealed off a check!!
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« Reply #94 on: January 19, 2021, 08:13:00 am »

V Twins are a different riding style, motor wise, to an in-line 4. That's for sure. I kind of like having both in the garage, just for the variety.

I do agree that big V-twins (in my case a Griso 8V) seem to not want to go slow. A big boxer is also a totally different animal from either, in my opinion.
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« Reply #95 on: January 19, 2021, 09:00:46 am »

Sorry the KTM wasn’t your thing.  Find something you enjoy (Japan makes great stuff Bigsmile)
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« Reply #96 on: January 19, 2021, 01:03:09 pm »


So we figured out what I needed and he pealed off a check!!


Who got the dog?  Razz
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Who got the dog?  Razz


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« Reply #98 on: January 20, 2021, 10:22:23 am »


V Twins are a different riding style, motor wise, to an in-line 4. That's for sure. I kind of like having both in the garage, just for the variety.

I do agree that big V-twins (in my case a Griso 8V) seem to not want to go slow. A big boxer is also a totally different animal from either, in my opinion.


In my mind -- twins stop making sense at around 800cc...   Bigger than that and triples and I4s have enough torque and the potential for much higher horsepower.   That's not to say a 1000cc v-twin isn't FUN ...  the torque and compression braking and wonderful mid-range are addictive but they miss out pure performance wise (top) and low speed putting around -- even Aprilia had to concede the point and go V4....      

for smaller displacements -- i think the mid-range ooomph of a twin is more practical than the rev-it-to-the-moon to get power behavior of I4s...  

I keep waiting for suzuki to make a sv800...    Bigsmile  but it looks like triumph beat them to the punch with the 660 triple...    
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In my mind -- twins stop making sense at around 800cc...   Bigger than that and triples and I4s have enough torque and the potential for much higher horsepower.   That's not to say a 1000cc v-twin isn't FUN ...  the torque and compression braking and wonderful mid-range are addictive but they miss out pure performance wise (top) and low speed putting around -- even Aprilia had to concede the point and go V4....      

for smaller displacements -- i think the mid-range ooomph of a twin is more practical than the rev-it-to-the-moon to get power behavior of I4s...  

I keep waiting for suzuki to make a sv800...    Bigsmile  but it looks like triumph beat them to the punch with the 660 triple...    



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« Reply #100 on: January 20, 2021, 12:54:43 pm »


Yep


Yep on the opinion of I4s vs twins?  the sv800?  or triumph 660?  all of the above??

inquiring minds want to know...  

and no, I can't help it  Bigsmile  
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« Reply #101 on: January 20, 2021, 12:57:57 pm »

I think this discussion of Big V-twins and In-line 4's is pretty accurate. Both have their place and fans. However, the big boxer, in a different sense, gives a blend of both worlds. Lots of low end grunt (like a V-twin) with tract-able power (like an in-line 4). Maybe that's why so many are using the R GS as a sport/touring/commuter machine, with little pretense of taking it off road.
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« Reply #102 on: January 20, 2021, 01:13:48 pm »


I think this discussion of Big V-twins and In-line 4's is pretty accurate. Both have their place and fans. However, the big boxer, in a different sense, gives a blend of both worlds. Lots of low end grunt (like a V-twin) with tract-able power (like an in-line 4). Maybe that's why so many are using the R GS as a sport/touring/commuter machine, with little pretense of taking it off road.


Agreed -- 2 out of 3 ain't bad (Meatloaf) --- the boxers lack the HP....  some of that is air/oil cooling... but lots of it is that that fewer cyllinders = bigger pistons and/or longer strokes = lower top rpm and less efficient fueling.   Beacuse of their inherent balance -  without needing heavy flywheels or counterbalancers -  the boxers get to run harder and have smoother low end response.
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« Reply #103 on: January 20, 2021, 01:17:33 pm »


I think this discussion of Big V-twins and In-line 4's is pretty accurate. Both have their place and fans. However, the big boxer, in a different sense, gives a blend of both worlds. Lots of low end grunt (like a V-twin) with tract-able power (like an in-line 4). Maybe that's why so many are using the R GS as a sport/touring/commuter machine, with little pretense of taking it off road.



How come I failed to see low end grunt on my boxer test ride?

Personal opinion I know but BMW's boxer engines have about the same attraction to me as our clothes dryer.
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How come I failed to see low end grunt on my boxer test ride?

Personal opinion I know but BMW's boxer engines have about the same attraction to me as our clothes dryer.


It took me a while to bond with mine, but having had a few Guzzi's, I had a bit of an understanding they like to spin. My hex head puts down quite a bit of torque around 3500 rpm. The newer 1250 water heads are tuned for a bit more surge at the top end I am told, but the couple I have test ridden (an RS and a GS) seemed equal in torque down around 3-1/2K. Of course they are not designed to be lugged, like a long stroke twin (HD), with the happy spot cruising 4 to 5K and want to rev on up to the 7K range.

But I get it that different folks like different characteristics from their bikes. I enjoy all my bikes from the singles, twins, triples and the 4's. I do have to adjust riding styles for each, as the bikes demand.  Thumbsup
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« Reply #105 on: January 20, 2021, 08:35:50 pm »



It took me a while to bond with mine,


What is, "words never spoken by Blue?"
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What is, "words never spoken by Blue?"


I got a neighbor down the street. Every time I see him he cusses me. I didn't give him much time to "bond" with me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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« Reply #107 on: January 20, 2021, 11:29:52 pm »




Yep on the opinion of I4s vs twins?  the sv800?  or triumph 660?  all of the above??

inquiring minds want to know...  

and no, I can't help it  Bigsmile  


Yep means I agree with what you wrote.                  Nuts
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« Reply #108 on: January 21, 2021, 10:20:20 pm »


How come I failed to see low end grunt on my boxer test ride?

Personal opinion I know but BMW's boxer engines have about the same attraction to me as our clothes dryer.


Clothes dryer -- I go one worse --- sewing machine...   but that's still better than the 900lb super loud rolling oil leaks all my federal LEO friends ride.
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