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« on: January 24, 2017, 06:18:21 pm »

I was watching a video about four guys from Scotland headed the Dolomites. One was on possibly a VFR and given to serious amounts of speed. But that isn't what brought him to the attention of Swiss police. Yes he was going at the speed limit. But, no, he wasn't on his side of the center line (the story gets gets hazy about that - surprise). Pay the fine on the spot. How much? ChF 400. Have a nice day, sir.  EEK!
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2017, 07:35:14 pm »

I had to pay 120 Euro, on the spot, in Austria for not having an 8 Euro tax stamp on my rental car.  

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« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2017, 03:40:46 am »

Try that in Norway to add 60% to the fine  Bigsmile
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« Reply #3 on: January 25, 2017, 11:04:30 am »

It is only common sense to stay on your side of the line. Any deviation should not be tolerated, and the fines dutifully paid.  

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« Reply #4 on: January 25, 2017, 05:36:26 pm »

Fines paid on the spot? Sounds like Tijuana in the old days.
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« Reply #5 on: January 25, 2017, 06:56:53 pm »

The center line guy was, IMHO, another demonstration of "there are no guilty people in jail". He didn't think he was doing anything bad. From what was in the video, I'd say he was a fine waiting to be paid.  

Paying on the spot... A) this is Switzerland - being a knob is not permitted; ride like a knob, pay like a knob. B) if they hauled you in and you didn't get your wallet smacked hard, it's likely you'd take off and sin again - this is Switzerland - sinning is not permitted.  Razz

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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2017, 09:13:57 am »

Swiss fines have changed a lot since last we were there.

If you had seen the way some UK tourists drive you might feel differently about the fine.

They get so enthralled by the scenery they forget which country they are in & which side of the line they should be on.

Increased enforcement is becoming increasing common - nothing new if you're a tourist - 100 Euro for <15 km over the limit this summer in Spain.
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2017, 09:48:16 am »

For the record, I was there last July. The account of the ChF 400 fine was from video shot about two years ago. The riders are Brits.

I think I've recounted spending 10 minutes(!) trying to get pass Alf and the missus in their "takes up 90% of the road" motor caravan. Made all the more frustrating for thinking, a lot, "move to the right and all will be right". The missus was watching me in the mirror on the left. Alf was, of course, Driving on the right. If he couldn't see the right side of the road...  Crazy The accompanying story about the fine (essentially, I wasn't doing anything bad) didn't match the video of long stretches on the wrong side.

It's the increasing enforcement bit that has me worried. In towns, meh. I expect it and generally try to keep at about 50 k/h, observe zebras, etc. Even on many open roads, I generally behave. It's up in the mountains that I'm more likely pass where possible and the national open road limit is ...um... not foremost in my thinking. Now if polizei and polizia show up there... Not so good.
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« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2017, 12:56:54 pm »


It's the increasing enforcement bit that has me worried. In towns, meh. I expect it and generally try to keep at about 50 k/h, observe zebras, etc. Even on many open roads, I generally behave. It's up in the mountains that I'm more likely pass where possible and the national open road limit is ...um... not foremost in my thinking. Now if polizei and polizia show up there... Not so good.


I am still not aware of any undue patrolling away from villages and towns. Occasionally you'll get a day on one of the passes where they do a "spot check" of the bikes, but then they're just checking for tire wear, excessively noisy pipes...the usual no-nos. For the police to pull you over while moving, you'd have to be doing something blatantly illegal and/or stupid.

The mobile cameras, on the other hand, are out to get you  couch
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« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2017, 03:26:35 pm »

It's quite an experience with those fines there, I was very surprised as well and thought they were corrupt, but I was with a local friend (luckily enough).
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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2017, 03:33:14 pm »


I am still not aware of any undue patrolling away from villages and towns. Occasionally you'll get a day on one of the passes where they do a "spot check" of the bikes, but then they're just checking for tire wear, excessively noisy pipes...the usual no-nos. For the police to pull you over while moving, you'd have to be doing something blatantly illegal and/or stupid.

The mobile cameras, on the other hand, are out to get you  couch
True dat! I was driving through the Odenwald area (S of Frankfurt) and encountered a mobile camera. The manning officers were literally hiding behind the bushes, waiting for their next victim. OTOH I knew of one mobile camera location that's hard to miss. It has its own paved turnout, just one police van long.  Rolleyes It's on the inside of a relatively tight curve, on the far side of the apex. People racing out of Wiesbaden get shot about much as people are shot by Killboy on the Dragon...  Bigsmile

ADDED: Take heart, fines aren't just "revenue enhancement" for a one horse town. There are, no doubt, bent cops, but almost always, if they get you, it's the truth. 'Course, bein' got don't come cheap.
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2017, 02:16:21 pm »


It's quite an experience with those fines there, I was very surprised as well and thought they were corrupt, but I was with a local friend (luckily enough).

Did you have to pay the fine? If not, I am interested to hear the story  :popcorn:
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2017, 11:42:55 am »

I was watching a video about four guys from Scotland headed the Dolomites.


Do you have a link to the video?

Curious to see what they were doing.
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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2017, 11:20:30 pm »

I don't have the link, but the commentary was ...um... not that reliable (essentially, "we wasn't doin' nuthin' mister"). My guess is there was a bit of instinctual "keep the white line on the right" coupled with a severe overdose of testosterone, and a severe underdose of common sense. Basically Brit boys acting up and getting smacked for it.
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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2017, 11:46:52 pm »

Is there a receipt given for these fines paid on the spot? Lol  Is there a charge and a fine or a 'fine' to avoid being charged?
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« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2017, 09:23:00 pm »

AFAIK, there's a receipt and, since plastic is more likely than cash, a credit card receipt. And (with, I'm sure, a few exceptions) Swiss police are straight up. It's the Swiss way, period. No, I do not have first hand information, nor do I want it. With Swiss friends and occasion (non-bike) trips, there's simply no reason not to think otherwise. Ditto for Austria and Germany. In the latter case, my mother-in-law had contact with them in connection with attempted fraud. No complaints from anyone in the family. Just the reverse, they were more than satisfied with their experience. The scammer, BTW, never showed up at the place for the money swap.
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2017, 10:41:09 am »

It's the euro zone. Historically, people would scoff at the law, get a ticket, then get home somewhere across the borders and forget about it. Now, on-the-spot fines. Problem solved. Arguing your case in a foreign language is a bit tricky.
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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2017, 01:01:58 pm »




I am still not aware of any undue patrolling away from villages and towns. Occasionally you'll get a day on one of the passes where they do a "spot check" of the bikes, but then they're just checking for tire wear, excessively noisy pipes...the usual no-nos. For the police to pull you over while moving, you'd have to be doing something blatantly illegal and/or stupid.

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