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« on: October 10, 2017, 04:00:36 pm »

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« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2017, 04:59:15 pm »

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« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2017, 05:41:09 pm »



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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2017, 08:33:29 pm »

Hmmmm...where did you dig that up? Or is that just a picture of an H2?  Clearly no ESA. Lol
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« Reply #4 on: October 10, 2017, 11:21:32 pm »


Hmmmm...where did you dig that up? Or is that just a picture of an H2?  Clearly no ESA. Lol


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« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2017, 01:30:21 pm »

I like (if this photochop is remotely real).
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« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2017, 01:59:52 pm »


I like (if this photochop is remotely real).



Isn't that just a Ninja 1000 with the green trellis frame from an H2?
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2017, 04:02:01 pm »

It looks like a well done mish-mash of Concours, H2, and maybe Ninja 1000...but it actually doesn't look too bad. LOL

The real bike will probably be all origami.
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« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2017, 09:56:20 pm »

according to http://www.thedrive.com/watch-this/15014/kawasaki-teases-supercharged-sport-touring-bike:

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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2017, 02:33:12 pm »

Todays the day ... The ReBirth of the SPORT-tourer ?





https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2017/11/07/2018-kawasaki-ninja-h2-sx-first-look-15-fast-facts/

Following are the essential fast facts.

1. The 2018 Kawasaki Ninja H2 SX arrives with the same 998cc supercharged powerplant found in its superbike brethren, but redesigned for streetability and less heat. Kawasaki didn’t simply place a smaller supercharger on the H2R’s engine; rather, Kawasaki redesigned the supercharger, combustion chamber, cams, intake and exhaust components.

2. The H2 SX’s powerplant produces 200 horsepower @ 11,000 rpm, and 101 ft/lbs of torque @ 9,500 rpm. To put this into perspective, the H2R produces over 300 horsepower due to 30 PSI of boost; the H2 and H2 SX are likely around 20 PSI of boost, though these numbers weren’t confirmed.

3. The H2 SX’s engine is 6.6-lbs. lighter than the H2/H2Rs, and the overall wet weight of the sport tourer is 564 lbs.

4. The Kawasaki Ninja H2 SX features a trellis frame similar to the Ninja H2, but it’s redesigned for panniers and passengers. The new frame additional rigidity, and a longer wheelbase for stability at highway speeds. The steering head angle is also 30 degrees to help with agility at slow speeds.

2018 Kawasaki H2 SX colors5. The H2 SX arrives with a five-gallon gas tank, and Kawasaki says its fuel efficiency is “on par” with the Versys 1000, which reportedly averages 36 mpg.

6. For additional protection from the elements and engine heat, along with streamlined aerodynamics, the SX’s bodywork was completely redesigned. The SE model receives a large windscreen further protects the rider from windblast, offering even greater touring comfort.

7. The ergonomics were designed for comfort in both touring and sport-riding situations. Kawasaki says the H2 SX is not as far forward-leaning as the ZZR1400, but not as upright as the Ninja 1000.

8. The panniers were designed to seamlessly integrate into the H2 SX’s design, and are close to centerline which helps keep the motorcycle stable at high speed with panniers (Kawasaki says it tested this on Germany’s Autobahn).

2018 Kawasaki H2 SX SE cruise control9. A three-mode KTRC (Kawasaki Traction Control) offers a selection of intervention to suit a variety of riding situations, from sport riding to touring.

10. What a 2018 sport touring bike be without cruise control? The H2 SX arrives from the factory with cruise control.

11. The Kawasaki arrives with Kawasaki Cornering Management Function (KCMF), which uses a Bosch IMU (Inertial Measurement Unit) that provides a real-time view of chassis orientation. KCMF monitors engine and chassis parameters throughout the corner – from entry, through the apex, to corner exit – modulating brake force and engine power to facilitate smooth transition from acceleration to braking and back again, and to assist riders in tracing their intended line through the corner

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KTRC (Kawasaki Traction Control, including traction and wheel lift control)
KIBS (Kawasaki Intelligent anti-lock Brake System, including pitching and corner braking control)
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KLCM (Kawasaki Launch Control Mode, only on the SE model)
12. The Ninja H2 SX SE is upgraded with cornering lights built into each side of the fairing that help illuminate the road when cornering at night. Each of the three lights has a fixed direction and is activated based on lean angle. As the bike leans over, the lamps come on in order, creating a wider path of light in the direction the bike is heading, Kawasaki says.

2018 Kawasaki H2 SX SE touring13. The Kawasaki Ninja H2 SX SE also arrives with a full-color TFT LCD screen compared to the standard LCD screen on the base H2 SX. The SE model’s screen enables information to be displayed graphically. Two selectable display modes (Touring, Sport) allow riders to prioritise the information they want to see depending on the kind of riding they are doing at the time. Compared to the analogue-style tachometer that is complemented by a full digital LCD screen on the standard model.

14. The SE model arrives with a quick shifter that allows for clutchless upshifts and downshifts. The quick shifter only works above 2500 rpm.

15. The SE is also upgraded with KLCM (Kawasaki Launch Control Mode), which electronically controls engine output to prevent wheelspin and minimize wheel lift when launching.

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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2017, 02:35:57 pm »

If you don't like the "sport" due to its weight, you may not like the "touring" either due to it's fuel range.

According to one web site I've seen, it has about the same fuel economy as the Versys 1000 - 36 MPG ( I assume that's US gallons, not Imperial)

Tank size is 19 liters - 4.2 Imperial / 5 U.S. gallons

Range to empty is just 181 miles. I would be looking for gas at about 125 miles. ( On my FJR I typically start checking for gas at about 200 miles; with a bit of gas in my aux tank, about 300+ miles. )


Edit to correct liter / gallon conversion. Thanks UFO
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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2017, 05:32:03 pm »

I put a deposit down on one yesterday on the assumption it's coming to NA. Lol Why not? If things don't work out I'll just get a refund. When I went to the dealer (one of the largest Kawi dealers in the state) they knew nothing about it. Never heard of it. Knew nothing of the rumors it was coming. Etc.

My Multistrada has been nothing but a PITA, time for change.

And 19 liters is 5.0 US gallons.
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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2017, 05:44:17 pm »

Too much weight for me. Add luggage with stuff in it and you're over 600.  I've decided that any bike over 500 pounds wet is heavier than I want to deal with. I'm in a mood to downsize the bike, and supersize the fun.
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2017, 06:28:58 pm »


I put a deposit down on one yesterday on the assumption it's coming to NA. Lol
My Multistrada has been nothing but a PITA, time for change.


 That is awesome!  Thumbsup

 It will be a great bike and I'm betting it won't disappoint you.

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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2017, 07:31:48 pm »

The deposit is just hedging my interest to be safe. Bigsmile Yeah, it would be fun to do again, but motorcycle forums are a dying breed. Sad

I miss the good old days of about 2000-2010 motorcycle forums. Facebook and all the other social media nonsense just doesn't give me a sense of true community.
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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2017, 11:45:53 pm »

I get the hedging x 10.

Riding this motorcycle may be the last hurrah of performance/touring.  Horsepower/torque rules my veins ... and heart. I am sorry about the mileage, give due consideration to the range concerns  ... but I embrace fully the thrill that engine will unleash! Oh yeah ! Would that I could.
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« Reply #16 on: November 17, 2017, 09:40:01 am »

Well. Based on the U.K. price — this could be amazing. Especially with all the riding at altitude I do , a blower would be (again) amazing. Wonder if there is any way I can squeeze onto one semi-comfortably


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« Reply #17 on: November 17, 2017, 11:55:28 pm »

US details should come out Dec 1st. But Canadian prices have been released, and they are probably a closer approximation to US prices than UK.

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Canadian Kawasaki Motors released pricing for the SX and the other new 2018 models.

North of the border, the 2018 Kawasaki Ninja H2 SX is priced at CA$21,899 (US$17,192) with the SE version priced at CA$25,299 (US$19,862).

By comparison, the 2018 Ninja H2 clocks in at an even CA$31,000 in Canada, or about US$24,339, about $3,661 less expensive than what the H2 is priced in the US


I expect the US prices to be a little more, but not as high as UK conversion prices: $19,955 and $24,920.  I'm sure they will try to keep the SX around $19K, and the SX SE will sneak up to $22-$23K. I don't expect it to be $25K.  We'll see in a couple weeks.
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« Reply #18 on: November 21, 2017, 04:49:23 pm »

^ That's really cool you plan on getting one.  Shame about the Multi, can't believe Ducati won't get their QC shit together after creating such an awesome bike.  
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« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2017, 05:17:37 pm »

I don't know if I'm getting one, I just want to be on the list in case. I suspect there won't be a large number at the dealers.

And the Multistrada has been redesigned like twice since I bought mine. I assume it's a much higher quality bike today than it was in 2010. But then again, "Ducati character"  Lol
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2017, 12:39:18 am »

http://h2sxriders.net/

Just sayin'  Lol
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2017, 06:51:30 am »

A buddy and I were talking about this bike a month or so ago. How many of these is Kawasaki really going to sell? Great bike but  if I wanted to go sport touring with my wife(as pictured in the ad) how many other bikes out there are much better at the task? I mean, can you really be riding "on the pipe" and loaded down with stuff?

It's great that Kawasaki developed this but we think they should be focusing on other types of bikes to draw more riders into their dealerships. If I wanted a great sport touring ride and I only had myself to carry around I'd have what I have now! UFO, I can hardly wait for your insurance man to tell you what the insurance cost of this thing will be!
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2017, 07:21:34 pm »

Everyone is making an adventure/touring/retro bike these days. Hell, Kawasaki has 45 street legal models, ranging from enduros to a 300hp missile.  Pretty sure this bike is not going to limit someone's choice across all models, all manufacturers.

It's nice to see a manufacturer still interested in the segment and still taking risks. Honda threw in the towel. BMW did too, but will probably be back. FJR is still in it with the FJR. I owned one, and liked it well enough. But wasn't really excited about going back to one.

Not worried about insurance. No bike I've ever insured with my agency has cost more than $300-$400 a year with full coverage (Hayabusa, FJR, Multistrada, and everything in between).

If I pick one up, it will never see a passenger. Bigsmile
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« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2017, 11:00:58 am »

Insurance never over $300 to $400 per year? Too bad I don't live in your state and have your agent!

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« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2017, 02:09:07 pm »

Yeah, I just looked at my Multistrada's policy. $305/yr for full coverage (liability, comp $500 deduct, collision, underinsured, bodily injury, property damage, etc)

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« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2017, 01:49:49 pm »

From what I understand the Multi was gotten even more unreliable and issue-prone. Multi forums with lots of dedicated buyers still say the whole DVT rollout was a disaster.
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« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2017, 08:47:19 pm »

The appeal of this bike is the rather unique power delivery, amazing performance, all coupled with realistic Street ability and an old school Sport touring seating position. It is function over form and no doubt will rankle the current deciples of motorcycle styling. I quite like the pics. It smacks of a barely concealed, yet style suggested ... malevolence. It is rude looking. Like many Kaw bikes past.

This is not a Z14 with a pipe and a reflash. This is an honest to goodness game changer a la the class defining and changing VFR. But now, it will distort your vision, drain your green cred and thankfully, .... be ugly to many ... who simply don’t understand the exercise. Bring it on.

I may own a used one two years hence.

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« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2017, 06:10:41 pm »

I've been told that first shipment of SXs will be "released" in January, with more releases in Feb and March. I don't know if that means shipped from Japan or in dealerships. I suspect the former.
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I’m not seeing the attraction of 200 hp  Headscratch

Udo Geitl said in an interview that 100 hp is all you need on the street. He rode a Ducati Monster. I think I’d rather ride a slow bike fast  Smile It seems to me that a 200 hp bike would spend most of its time producing 25 to 30% of its power output.
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« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2018, 09:05:59 am »


I’m not seeing the attraction of 200 hp  Headscratch


I'm with ya!  100 hp, 1000cc and under 500#s.
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I’m not seeing the attraction of 200 hp  Headscratch



Used to be a shop in my town with the name of Powertown.  Bigok Spent a lot of money there over the years. The owner, a strange but interesting fellow named Bernie, had a Kaw Z1. Bernie was on first name terms with Fujio Yoshimura and his Z1 embodied that relationship to the extreme according to his Dyno.
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« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2018, 12:30:37 pm »


 It seems to me that a 200 hp bike would spend most of its time producing 25 to 30% of its power output.


Depends on where you live. Where I live and ride (WA, OR, ID, WY, NV, UT, etc)...it can be used. Burnout

FYI...I got a preliminary insurance quote and it was $50 a month, full coverage, not including any medical coverage (already have that covered).
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I’m not seeing the attraction of 200 hp  Headscratch

Udo Geitl said in an interview that 100 hp is all you need on the street. He rode a Ducati Monster. I think I’d rather ride a slow bike fast  Smile It seems to me that a 200 hp bike would spend most of its time producing 25 to 30% of its power output.


For 90-95% of our riding you are 100% correct. But I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
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« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2018, 10:23:40 am »


The appeal of this bike is the rather unique power delivery, amazing performance, all coupled with realistic Street ability and an old school Sport touring seating position. It is function over form and no doubt will rankle the current deciples of motorcycle styling. I quite like the pics. It smacks of a barely concealed, yet style suggested ... malevolence. It is rude looking. Like many Kaw bikes past.

This is not a Z14 with a pipe and a reflash. This is an honest to goodness game changer a la the class defining and changing VFR. But now, it will distort your vision, drain your green cred and thankfully, .... be ugly to many ... who simply don’t understand the exercise. Bring it on.

I may own a used one two years hence.



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« Reply #34 on: January 13, 2018, 12:39:45 am »

The ZZR you ride, disqualifies your comment.  Lol

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« Reply #35 on: January 13, 2018, 12:18:21 pm »


The ZZR you ride, disqualifies your comment.  Lol




Hey!
Having finally ridden in the West last summer with the ZZRbikes gang I appreciate the usefulness of  1200 cc + sport touring bikes. While I dawdled at the back of the pack taking in the scenery on that trip, I can see the appeal of high HP bikes. If the West were my primary riding venue I'd certainly be looking at a ZX14R as a replacement for the ZZR. The price of an H2SX, even used, is likely to be unjustifiable. As it is, I'll probably be looking at Ninja 1K's or an ADV bike.
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« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2018, 10:08:42 am »


I’m not seeing the attraction of 200 hp  Headscratch

Udo Geitl said in an interview that 100 hp is all you need on the street. He rode a Ducati Monster. I think I’d rather ride a slow bike fast  Smile It seems to me that a 200 hp bike would spend most of its time producing 25 to 30% of its power output.


Have you ever ridden a bike that accelerates with 20% throttle the way an FJR accelerates with full throttle, except without the noise, vibration or drama?  It's very fun, and why 200hp is appealing.
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« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2018, 01:46:55 pm »


I’m not seeing the attraction of 200 hp  Headscratch

Udo Geitl said in an interview that 100 hp is all you need on the street. He rode a Ducati Monster. I think I’d rather ride a slow bike fast  :Smile:
It seems to me that a 200 hp bike would spend most of its time producing 25 to 30% of its power output.

I generally agree.   I'd be IMMENSELY more interested if they supercharge a 750-800.
The auto industry (most mfg's anyway) has learned the merits of boosting small & midsize engines with turbos.  Because of the power to weight difference, I don't think turbos are directly applicable to motorcycles (yea, yea, I know it's been done).
200 hp is boutique, novelty, not-really-practical (or affordable).
BTW; Sport-tourers weigh more than a Ducati monster, have wind-dragging weather protection and have a much higher gross weight limit.  Apples and pomegranates.
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« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2018, 03:03:02 pm »

Had the chance to sit on this at our local show. Going for 23 K CAD (street version) The Track version was somewhere in the 40K (CAD) range.  

Definitely more sport than touring, but seems comfortable enough. I am pretty sure I would not last long on it however. Cool looking in an origami sort of way.

 

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« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2018, 08:28:16 pm »

Me like
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Have you ever ridden a bike that accelerates with 20% throttle the way an FJR accelerates with full throttle, except without the noise, vibration or drama?  It's very fun, and why 200hp is appealing.


I know you exaggerated  quite a bit. But I am curious what bike you had in mind. I had a tuned up ZX14 and an FJR at the same time and my ZX14 couldn't beat my FJR at 20% throttle.
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« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2018, 12:34:07 am »

I had a 2013 ZX14R with a flash and full system, weighed about 40lbs less than stock.   It was as quick as my stock FJR at 20% throttle, just have to agree to disagree.  
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« Reply #42 on: January 21, 2018, 10:55:03 am »


I had a 2013 ZX14R with a flash and full system, weighed about 40lbs less than stock.   It was as quick as my stock FJR at 20% throttle, just have to agree to disagree.  


I know the R model is a real torque monster. Heck, my 07 with a Hindle full system and flash was a real torque monster. I never found an R to run against but I weigh 160 lbs so if I found a 200 lb guy he may have had some trouble with me. Ever take your R to the strip?
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« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2018, 10:29:51 am »

No I pretty much knew right away I was looking at major issues with the police and sold it after a few months, used that money to get my FJR and couldn't be happier.  With the weight I took off that thing, -1 on the front and full exhaust, is was astonishingly quick.  Right there with my FJR at full throttle and only 20% on the 14R.
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« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2018, 11:49:37 pm »

Nice. Another FJR thread!  Lol  And yes the FJR IS THE BEST MOTORCYCLE EVAR !!!!  Having said that. ....

Can we, ah ... er ...get bac to the Kaw ... ppleeesse!

Do recall the FJR signups during a poll a few years ago.    Lol Bigok  

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« Reply #45 on: January 30, 2018, 09:51:24 am »

Fuel mileage. Mid 30s down to high 20s for the H2. You had better hope this one is a super tanker if it's going to tour anywhere with more than a limp wrist. Superchargers suck for fuel mileage, but the instant response is awesome.
 A turbo FJR could be fun. Back in the late 90's I met a guy with a turbo FZR1000. Now that was the perfect bike!
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« Reply #46 on: January 30, 2018, 11:28:20 am »


The Track version was somewhere in the 40K (CAD) range.


Say what? There is no "track version"  Only the SX and SX SE (shown in picture). One has a few more bells and whistles and about a $3K price difference.

https://h2sxriders.net/kawasaki-ninja-h2-sx-specifications/
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« Reply #47 on: January 30, 2018, 03:32:32 pm »

With all the truckloads of cash UFO made selling this site he can buy 3 or 4 H2 Kawi’s And still have plenty extra for his 401k

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« Reply #48 on: January 31, 2018, 06:20:11 pm »


With all the truckloads of cash UFO made selling this site he can buy 3 or 4 H2 Kawi’s And still have plenty extra for his 401k


I don't have a 401k  Sad
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« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2018, 06:47:22 pm »




I don't have a 401k  Sad



Your stock price just went up with me. Your answer is much nicer than the one I would have given him.
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« Reply #50 on: January 31, 2018, 08:21:05 pm »





Your stock price just went up with me. Your answer is much nicer than the one I would have given him.


No no no

Blue is the nicest person who posts here  Bigsmile

In all seriousness UFO did a great job building this forum.  Thumbsup

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« Reply #51 on: February 01, 2018, 12:58:43 am »

Bunch of new info here, including some new videos: https://www.facebook.com/groups/164357317489193
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« Reply #52 on: February 01, 2018, 08:27:24 pm »


Bunch of new info here, including some new videos: https://www.facebook.com/groups/164357317489193


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« Reply #53 on: February 03, 2018, 10:11:56 pm »


Fuel mileage. Mid 30s down to high 20s for the H2. You had better hope this one is a super tanker if it's going to tour anywhere with more than a limp wrist. Superchargers suck for fuel mileage, but the instant response is awesome.
 A turbo FJR could be fun. Back in the late 90's I met a guy with a turbo FZR1000. Now that was the perfect bike!


According to visordown, testing in Portugal, it’s getting 47.8 mpg and 200 mile range. I think this bike is going to surprise many.  Top shelf SPORT Tourer. Not just a set of bags on an H2. This is an engineered ST. Good for Kawasaki.  Thumbsup And yes, it’s wicked fast.

“That seems to be the Ninja H2 SX’s jewel – its super-charged engine, delivering ZZR power but with better fuel economy. The average fuel-consumption meter said 47.8mpg by the end of the test ride, meaning a range of about 200 miles from the 19-litre-tank.”

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-new-bikes/kawasaki-ninja-h2-sx-review-first-thoughts

Video here 181 mph on the straight at Estoril, Portugal from a standing start. 986 meter straight. Sounds dang good.

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« Reply #54 on: February 03, 2018, 11:20:48 pm »

 EEK!
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« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2018, 12:18:09 am »

Some of us gurus over on my H2 SX site are trying to figure out how many of these they are going to make, with lots of varying opinions.

  • A Kawi press release (in Japanese) made it sound like they were only making 800 total (or 800 of each trim)
  • One French review said that Kawi France isn't even going to import any of the non-SE versions, they see no point.
  • One member called various dealers around the US and his summary is you're only getting on if a dealer ordered one for you. He said 50 total for the US (not sure I believe this one)
  • And advrider thinks they will be as common as any other bike. Lol


So...who knows.
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« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2018, 07:37:19 am »

You gotta buy one UFO
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« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2018, 10:08:45 am »

Very nice website over at H2SXriders.net Functions very well too. Just might sign up  Thumbsup
The French video of the display is very cool. Lean angle, voltage ... beautiful display. Just needs a gps et voila!
Looking forward to hearing your hands on review.  

I can see a slightly used SX in my garage in a couple of years ...  Drool Drool Drool
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« Reply #58 on: February 08, 2018, 08:53:04 pm »

Now that's a sport tourer. On a side note, I think I read somewhere that the bags were tested up to 300 km/h and there's no speed restriction with them mounted.  Lol

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« Reply #59 on: February 09, 2018, 10:23:00 am »

ten sec. 0-250 km/hr!
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« Reply #60 on: February 09, 2018, 09:02:32 pm »

UFO likes to go fast

Maybe he should change his screen name to WFO  Lol
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« Reply #61 on: March 21, 2018, 07:12:28 pm »


UFO likes to go fast

Maybe he should change his screen name to WFO  Lol


https://h2sxriders.net/derestricted-h2sx/  Lol

Simply derestricting the ECU yields 50 rwhp on a stock bike. Burnout
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« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2018, 09:34:52 pm »

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« Reply #63 on: March 31, 2018, 08:58:50 am »


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That is a sexy looking bike.  Inlove
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« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2018, 10:42:38 am »


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 Drool Hail you got the SE!

Haven’t been this interested in a motorcycle in years. Oh, yes ... I hate you.  Lol
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« Reply #65 on: March 31, 2018, 11:32:15 am »

Would have to buy
if it looked like this:
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 Drool Hail you got the SE!

Haven’t been this interested in a motorcycle in years. Oh, yes ... I hate you.  Lol


Mine is supposed to be here this coming Tuesday, but others have taken delivery over the past week or two.
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https://h2sxriders.net/derestricted-h2sx/  Lol

Simply derestricting the ECU yields 50 rwhp on a stock bike. Burnout


Yeah, like you can really use more! The traction control chingus will be busy frequently.

As I've posted here before, my reflashed, full exhaust ZX14 would spin the tire and wheelie, at the same time, on throttle only. In the mountains it would spin the tire in second gear at elevation!
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« Reply #68 on: April 01, 2018, 11:42:49 pm »


Would have to buy
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That bike looks pregnant. And despite its lovely motor ... ah .... no.
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Yeah, like you can really use more! The traction control chingus will be busy frequently.

As I've posted here before, my reflashed, full exhaust ZX14 would spin the tire and wheelie, at the same time, on throttle only. In the mountains it would spin the tire in second gear at elevation!


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That bike looks pregnant. And despite its lovely motor ... ah .... no.


Just sayin' I loved the organic, smooth, round look over the transformer, angular look.
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Just sayin' I loved the organic, smooth, round look over the transformer, angular look.


Yes
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« Reply #72 on: April 03, 2018, 10:05:43 pm »

Done deal! Inlove Goddamn this bike is smooth. EEK!

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« Reply #73 on: April 04, 2018, 07:17:53 am »

Congratulations on the purchase as I was looking one over at my local dealer and it is a well designed machine.  Thumbsup
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« Reply #74 on: April 04, 2018, 07:37:54 am »

Nice.....

Very nice
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« Reply #75 on: April 04, 2018, 10:59:16 am »


Done deal! Inlove Goddamn this bike is smooth. EEK!




I have read how smooth the engine is, beyond zx14 smooth apparently. It’s a busy design, that somehow works and I am sure is related to wind tunnel design. The only thing I don’t like is the exhaust muffler, but that is a modern concession on all bikes, and this one isn’t as bad as most.

The green is rich and deep. Haven’t seen one in the flesh yet ... but I really like the look.

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« Reply #76 on: April 04, 2018, 11:16:32 am »

Nice looking bike.  Do they have factory bags for it?  I read it was a sport-tourer...
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« Reply #77 on: April 04, 2018, 11:16:54 am »

Beautiful bike. You are definitely going to have to bring it to a meet.
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« Reply #78 on: April 04, 2018, 12:29:32 pm »



The green is rich and deep. Haven’t seen one in the flesh yet ... but I really like the look.


The green is hard to describe. In cloudy weather or in dim light it looks like a deep, darker forest green. In the sunlight it looks like a blazing green due to all the flakes. I guess that's why they call it "Emerald Blazed Green"
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« Reply #79 on: April 04, 2018, 12:33:23 pm »


Nice looking bike.  Do they have factory bags for it?  I read it was a sport-tourer...


Yes, it has factory bags (and no hideous mounting system).

https://h2sxriders.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/2018-Kawasaki-Ninja-H2-SX-07.jpg
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« Reply #80 on: April 04, 2018, 08:59:39 pm »


Done deal! Inlove Goddamn this bike is smooth. EEK!




Congrats, what an awesome bike. Can't wait to read your musings. That would be a nice replacement for my ZZR but the price of admission is a hindrance. And for most of my Appalachian riding something a bit lighter seems more appropriate.
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« Reply #81 on: April 04, 2018, 09:24:04 pm »

Here's a post of my quick impressions. Of course the bike shows up and forecast shows rain for the next 10 days.

https://h2sxriders.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=234
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« Reply #82 on: April 05, 2018, 09:36:04 am »

 Thumbsup for heated grips and cruise control.  

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« Reply #83 on: April 12, 2018, 06:49:23 pm »

I’m freakin jealous  Lol

Nice ride  Thumbsup
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« Reply #84 on: April 13, 2018, 12:10:27 am »


I’m freakin jealous  Lol

Nice ride  Thumbsup


This is why I don't have a 401k. Lol

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« Reply #85 on: April 13, 2018, 02:41:00 am »

Sweet UFO, how bout some close up pics?  I’d like to see those wheels closer up.
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« Reply #86 on: April 13, 2018, 07:14:36 am »




This is why I don't have a 401k. Lol

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You ain’t stupid

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« Reply #87 on: April 13, 2018, 12:42:28 pm »


Sweet UFO, how bout some close up pics?  I’d like to see those wheels closer up.


The SE version has the exact same wheels as the H2, but with different rim graphics. This is a big pic... (click it)

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« Reply #88 on: April 14, 2018, 12:45:40 am »




I have read how smooth the engine is, beyond zx14 smooth apparently. It’s a busy design, that somehow works and I am sure is related to wind tunnel design. The only thing I don’t like is the exhaust muffler, but that is a modern concession on all bikes, and this one isn’t as bad as most.

The green is rich and deep. Haven’t seen one in the flesh yet ... but I really like the look.

You’re going to have a memorable spring!


I'm sure Akrapovic and Yoshimura will have solutions for the stock muffler soon.
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« Reply #89 on: April 14, 2018, 01:53:27 am »




This is why I don't have a 401k. Lol

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If that bike were in my hands I probably would not need one either..... Bigsmile
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« Reply #90 on: April 20, 2018, 01:02:18 am »

Finally stopped raining after a week and was able to hit some backroads with some twisties (after mowing the 6" tall lawn first!), including the integrated bags (the matching color panels are still back ordered, so they're a bit homely right now).

Fantastic!

I'm getting used to, once again, the bike and it's incredibly smooth delivery of power, even at break in RPMs. Corners approach deceptively fast and my brain hasn't rewired itself to this fact yet. So the brakes got a workout today. Lol I only did about 100 miles but the computer said something like 45 mpg. This is just spirited cruising as this point, not ham fisted riding. Point being it can get pretty decent mileage for a 207 hp bike.

Anyway, it's good to see a bike like this back on the market. All the classic sport tourers of 10-15 years ago have vanished to be replaced by adventure style bikes.

Side note. My main helmet is almost 20 years old, Lol and it's falling apart. Good excuse to upgrade finally.

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« Reply #91 on: April 20, 2018, 03:37:14 am »

Yeah, get a new lid, just not a green one. Rolleyes  How far are you from Crater Lake NP in Oregon?  Lassen NP?  Yosemite NP?  You'll have to take your new 'touring' bike out of state sooner or later. Smile   You could paint 'SIDE PANELS ORDERED' on those blank panels until they come in. Lol
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« Reply #92 on: April 20, 2018, 07:22:16 am »

How are the mirrors?  Do you have a good view of what is behind you?  
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« Reply #93 on: April 20, 2018, 08:20:37 am »

Thanks for sharing your ride.

I'm not brand loyal by a long shot, but IMHO Kawasaki is no.1 of the big four, no make that big six.

And Boss, I remember back in the day when you said, "I'll never buy another Kawasaki".  Razz

Best of luck with her, she'll be the top Sport-Touring ride for quite a few years.

Also, lets not forget, you created the Sport-Touring segment years ago.  Wink
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« Reply #94 on: April 20, 2018, 11:27:17 am »


Finally stopped raining after a week and was able to hit some backroads with some twisties (after mowing the 6" tall lawn first!), including the integrated bags (the matching color panels are still back ordered, so they're a bit homely right now).

Fantastic!

I'm getting used to, once again, the bike and it's incredibly smooth delivery of power, even at break in RPMs. Corners approach deceptively fast and my brain hasn't rewired itself to this fact yet. So the brakes got a workout today. Lol I only did about 100 miles but the computer said something like 45 mpg. This is just spirited cruising as this point, not ham fisted riding. Point being it can get pretty decent mileage for a 207 hp bike.

Anyway, it's good to see a bike like this back on the market. All the classic sport tourers of 10-15 years ago have vanished to be replaced by adventure style bikes.

Side note. My main helmet is almost 20 years old, Lol and it's falling apart. Good excuse to upgrade finally.

https://i.imgur.com/62QC7B0.jpg


Don't mess her up with "Meals On Wheels" boxes   Lol Bigsmile
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« Reply #95 on: April 20, 2018, 12:16:56 pm »


How far are you from Crater Lake NP in Oregon?  Lassen NP?  Yosemite NP?  You'll have to take your new 'touring' bike out of state sooner or later. Smile


Been to all those places on multiple bikes. Yes, will probably do again. Lol


How are the mirrors?  Do you have a good view of what is behind you?  


Visibility, they are okay. I have broad shoulders so the inner part of the mirror gets my arms/shoulders. But this has applied to nearly every bike I've owned. The mirrors are 100% vibration free at all RPM (not sure about hypersonic yet, still in the break-in process).


And Boss, I remember back in the day when you said, "I'll never buy another Kawasaki".  Razz


Yes, I had to set aside my 20+ year grudge. Crazy It was nothing against the bikes, but against Kawi USA (corporate).


Don't mess her up with "Meals On Wheels" boxes   Lol Bigsmile


Lol At least they don't leak water like the Ducati bags. Rolleyes Rolleyes

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« Reply #96 on: April 20, 2018, 01:01:07 pm »


The mirrors are 100% vibration free at all RPM (not sure about hypersonic yet, still in the break-in process).

I heard the H2R is capable of ludicrous speed.   You'll have to let us know about your bike.


I think the later used market for these will be interesting. So if you are waiting to pick one up used down the road, do your homework carefully. There are two groups of owners, ones that are going to treat it like a less expensive H2, mod the hell out of it, drag race it, dyno it 1000 times, etc. Then others who will use it for its designed intent. Avoid the first group as if your life depended on it.

I didn't realize they are less expensive than the H2.  
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« Reply #97 on: April 20, 2018, 01:50:50 pm »


I didn't realize they are less expensive than the H2.  


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H2R - $55,000 (not street legal, does not come with a warranty, significant and expensive maintenance) Lol

H2SX - $19,000 (base model)
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« Reply #98 on: April 28, 2018, 01:12:47 pm »


Side note. My main helmet is almost 20 years old, Lol and it's falling apart. Good excuse to upgrade finally.


New helmet day. I bought the silver Arai Signet GT shown above back in 2000 when I had my silver/blue Hayabusa. It's lived a long and useful life. It is now retired and hanging on the wall in the garage. Is it weird to get sentimental about gear?  Headscratch

Found a left over 2017 Shoei GT-Air that's an excellent match, with the features I wanted, and not too squidly (skulls, monkeys flinging poo, dragons, ace of spades type of graphics). 25% off. Banana

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« Reply #99 on: April 28, 2018, 02:05:59 pm »

Nice Truck

Nice Bike

Nice Lady  Bigsmile
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« Reply #100 on: April 29, 2018, 09:46:44 pm »

This morning leaving from my mountain get-a-way on Angeles Crest Hwy I went past Newcombs Ranch and several miles down toward L.A. I caught up to and rode(er, pushed) an H2SE for several miles!!!!!!!! He turned right off Hwy 2 and I wanted to stop but I had to be somewhere else. He had the side bags on and also had the green stripes that you are waiting on.
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« Reply #101 on: May 14, 2018, 08:23:52 pm »

Possibly the best $250 performance mod ever. ECU flash on 100% stock H2SX. Cool

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« Reply #102 on: May 15, 2018, 10:45:01 pm »

Impressive to say the least. At a fairly sedate ( I assume sedate with this engine ) 11k rpm, that is a major boost even if you discount the top end increase. True seat of the pants improvement.  

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« Reply #103 on: May 22, 2018, 01:37:55 pm »

WOW! I hope your traction control doesn't quit working!
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« Reply #104 on: May 22, 2018, 10:14:26 pm »

Heck

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« Reply #105 on: June 10, 2018, 07:10:23 am »

I was at my local dealer yesterday shopping a new ride and they had one of those Hyper st beauties on the floor. I really liked it, surprisingly comfy ergos even for my decrepit old a$$. I had to walk away before I bought it. Lol
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Heck

UFO is getting too old to use that bike to anywhere near its capabilities

 Lol Lol Lol


No mortal can use any of these bikes to near their capabilities. I haven't done this ECU flash, but I might this winter. Lol
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No mortal can use any of these bikes to near their capabilities. I haven't done this ECU flash, but I might this winter. Lol


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No mortal can use any of these bikes to near their capabilities. I haven't done this ECU flash, but I might this winter. Lol


I’d need to know more about mileage impact before the flash. That could be a balancing act. Can you toggle between each map?  I doubt it ... That would be an ideal setup!  

Haven’t seen one yet.  
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« Reply #109 on: June 11, 2018, 08:18:13 pm »

Well, based on the dyno above (when in Full power mode) it will only drink a lot more gas on the top end. But the flash has a touring mode which is supposed to give the same or better mileage as stock ECU.

Riding normally, and only going crazy once in awhile, I currently get 40-42 mpg. The bike is tuned to give very good mileage when ridden tamely, cruising, etc. But gets very thirsty when ridden hard and the supercharger is drinking air like crazy and fuel injection is working hard to keep up.
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« Reply #110 on: June 11, 2018, 09:05:58 pm »

I wonder why Kawi used a Supercharger instead of a Turbo for the H2 ?  

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« Reply #111 on: June 12, 2018, 06:28:29 pm »

UFO: I would totally do that ECU map. More is MORE!!

Raj: I suspect it's to eliminate turbo lag.
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« Reply #112 on: June 12, 2018, 07:39:24 pm »


UFO: I would totally do that ECU map. More is MORE!!

Raj: I suspect it's to eliminate turbo lag.


Could be that you are correct.  

I guess you have to pick your poison.   A supercharger uses up some HP.  
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« Reply #113 on: June 12, 2018, 07:43:04 pm »


I wonder why Kawi used a Supercharger instead of a Turbo for the H2 ?  




Turbo lag. There's no lag (or almost nil). The SC is driven off the crank, via gear and chain, then final planetary gear. The system steps up the crank RPM something like 9.1x, so at redline the supercharger impeller is rotating at ~120,000 RPM and pressuring a the airbox, which is made from aluminum and bolted to the throttle bodies, and has a blowoff valve.

The engineering is kind of amazing, since it all mostly fits in the same space as a normal 1000cc engine. The SC has no special maintenance either. You do one inspection every 7600 miles, that's it.

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« Reply #114 on: June 12, 2018, 09:14:07 pm »




Turbo lag. There's no lag (or almost nil). The SC is driven off the crank, via gear and chain, then final planetary gear. The system steps up the crank RPM something like 9.1x, so at redline the supercharger impeller is rotating at ~120,000 RPM and pressuring a the airbox, which is made from aluminum and bolted to the throttle bodies, and has a blowoff valve.

The engineering is kind of amazing, since it all mostly fits in the same space as a normal 1000cc engine. The SC has no special maintenance either. You do one inspection every 7600 miles, that's it.




Thanks for the tutorial  Thumbsup
Good stuff

Now explain how it feels to have something spinning at 120000 rpm right under you nuts  Lol
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« Reply #115 on: June 13, 2018, 12:58:47 am »




Thanks for the tutorial  Thumbsup
Good stuff

Now explain how it feels to have something spinning at 120000 rpm right under you nuts  Lol


 Lol Don't even think about it. So smooth and quiet to be honest. Not as unruly as a regular H2.
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« Reply #116 on: June 13, 2018, 02:18:47 am »

 Headscratch  ...er ... you are ... coming to the Borscht Burn ... like?
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« Reply #117 on: June 28, 2018, 02:32:49 pm »

I finally got my matching color panels that were backordered for almost 2 months. So why not a couple more pictures. Lol

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Considering the Yoshimura Alpha slipon...mellow and not ridiculously loud. Shaves 8 lbs. This bike does not need a full system,  Crazy that money is better spent on an ECU re-flash if one is looking for bang for the buck performance.

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« Reply #118 on: July 03, 2018, 03:56:38 pm »


Considering the Yoshimura Alpha slipon...mellow and not ridiculously loud. Shaves 8 lbs. This bike does not need a full system,  Crazy that money is better spent on an ECU re-flash if one is looking for bang for the buck performance.


It's certainly smaller and better looking than the stock pipe.  I'll never understand all the odd angles and extra layers on new Asian stock exhausts.
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« Reply #119 on: July 04, 2018, 10:12:44 pm »

I'm still waiting on my green panels.  But, I've been enjoying riding so far.  I too am curious to experience the ECU flash.  Just because Smile
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« Reply #120 on: July 11, 2018, 06:33:48 pm »

Beautiful Bike.  Congrats!
I love my ZX-14R, but hmmm.
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« Reply #121 on: August 10, 2018, 04:27:53 pm »

http://www.motorcycledaily.com/2018/08/kawasaki-announces-changes-to-2019-ninja-h2-h2-carbon-and-h2r/
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« Reply #122 on: October 13, 2018, 01:17:41 am »

With Sprint air filter, ECU reflash/tune, stock exhaust... 172 rwhp to 235 rwhp Lol  

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« Reply #123 on: October 13, 2018, 01:21:43 am »


I'm still waiting on my green panels.  But, I've been enjoying riding so far.  I too am curious to experience the ECU flash.  Just because Smile


This winter I'm probably going to do the Vcyclenut flash, Sprint filter, and Brock's Predator slipon. That should net a managable 210-220 rwhp. Vcyclenut's flash is fairly conservative, not like the one above.

https://h2sxriders.net/h2-sx-brocks-performance-predator-slipon-exhaust/

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« Reply #124 on: November 20, 2018, 04:23:19 pm »

Now with moar cowbell (does anyone talk about motorcycles here anymore)?   Sad

Brock's Predator exhaust + Sprint F1 filter + ECU reflash.

Next summer should be hyperspace fun. Lol

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« Reply #125 on: November 20, 2018, 06:27:09 pm »

I’ve joined the Kawasaki crowd myself only with the ‘mild’ version, the gorgeous retro Z1, the Z900RS in the root beer brown metallic and orange.  Lovin it so far but just have 300 miles on it.  I’d post a pic if this site allowed jpegs.  Glad to see yours is holding up.
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« Reply #126 on: November 21, 2018, 10:07:25 am »


I’d post a pic if this site allowed jpegs.


 Headscratch It allows images, they just can be huge to attach (you might have to resize). If you don't feel like resizing just dump it on imgur.com and embed it (like the pic above)
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« Reply #127 on: November 22, 2018, 04:28:32 am »

Are you saying a small jpeg is acceptable but a regular size jpeg isn’t? Headscratch
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« Reply #128 on: December 07, 2018, 03:54:52 pm »


Are you saying a small jpeg is acceptable but a regular size jpeg isn’t? Headscratch


This only applies to Attaching files when you make a post (uploading them to the ST.N server), which has a file size limit, the amount of space it takes up on the server's drive. Attaching a file is under the >Additional Options.. link right below where you enter your post text.

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« Reply #129 on: June 18, 2019, 02:48:57 pm »

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The file size limits are shown RIGHT NEXT TO THE ATTACH button:

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« Reply #130 on: June 29, 2019, 01:46:52 am »

I did a different thing...the Brock's exhaust sucked balls, could not get it to work with the hardbags, sounded kind of mousey.

I wasn't looking for loud, but I sold the Brocks and put on a Yoshi Alpha carbon. Sounds very mellow and deep, but wakes up nicely at high RPMs. And, AND, works with the hardbags. I mean, can you imagine an exhaust manufacturer developing an exhaust that actually works with the bags on a sport-touring bike? I know...CRAZY!! Lol

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« Reply #131 on: June 29, 2019, 04:17:34 pm »

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