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« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2018, 12:40:10 pm »

I don't have a problem with utility styled boxes/cases. They just ain't my thing. I prefer smooth, good looking motorcycles. I can take my FJR on any dirt road that is public transportation accessable. If I wanted to go dirt bike riding I'd get a proper motocross bike.


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« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2018, 06:19:52 pm »


This is how I finished the 2016 Bandit 1250 for long runs. Of course, that is why I have the FJR1300 but it is down for maintenance.

I made spacers/brackets to keep the soft bags off the painted parts. I also made a luggage rack to properly carry stuff. The tent goes across the passenger seat. A large tank bag and bingo.

Notice the 4 into 1 full exhaust, 12v power outlet on right side of lower dash board, VStrom handguards and removal of passenger foot peg brackets. You can't see the throttle lock. Oh yeah, I installed a 19t front sprocket. The speedometer is now spot on as verified by three of those side of road radar thingies. I got 55 and 56 MPG on two complete tank refills!!!!!!! That was in the high country though.


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« Reply #42 on: July 06, 2018, 06:30:13 pm »

Installed a Cameleon chain oiler






 Metal ( metrickmetal.com ) regulator/rectifier relocation kit. Get it out from behind the cylinders and into the air stream.





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« Reply #43 on: July 06, 2018, 06:41:48 pm »

Also ordered this from Metrick Metal;

http://shop.metrickmetal.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=35&product_id=80


Here is a pic across the top of the engine after the PAIR removal was installed.

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« Reply #44 on: July 06, 2018, 07:36:02 pm »

I can’t tell it’s there

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« Reply #45 on: July 06, 2018, 10:11:54 pm »

O2- Good idea on relocating the regulator!!!!!

I call BS on the PAIR thing. I went to do that last month and when I got to investigating decided the ONLY advantage was to clean up the top of the engine and nothing more. But there is a couple of negatives that I don't want to get anywhere near.

The PAIR thingie is nothing more than reed valve(one way) suction from the airbox to evacuate the blow by and pressure from inside the engine to mix with incoming air from the air filter. No adverse effect on engine performance at all. BUT, the lack of pressure reduction inside the engine and blow by not evacuated from the engine does have negative effects.

PAIR means pulsed air intake reed valve. On the Bandit all it does is what I described above. On other bikes I don't know. I wanted to eliminate the down shift popping but realized that the Bandit PAIR valve had zero to do with popping.
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« Reply #46 on: July 20, 2018, 09:22:00 am »


O2- Good idea on relocating the regulator!!!!!

I call BS on the PAIR thing. I went to do that last month and when I got to investigating decided the ONLY advantage was to clean up the top of the engine and nothing more. But there is a couple of negatives that I don't want to get anywhere near.

The PAIR thingie is nothing more than reed valve(one way) suction from the airbox to evacuate the blow by and pressure from inside the engine to mix with incoming air from the air filter. No adverse effect on engine performance at all. BUT, the lack of pressure reduction inside the engine and blow by not evacuated from the engine does have negative effects.

PAIR means pulsed air intake reed valve. On the Bandit all it does is what I described above. On other bikes I don't know. I wanted to eliminate the down shift popping but realized that the Bandit PAIR valve had zero to do with popping.


To each his own.

The pair system - Pulsed Secondary Air Injection - is not a crank vent system. The engine has a separate system for that, the PCV system so there is no pressure build up.  PAIR it is a air injection system for emissions. It injects air down stream of the exhaust valve to improve emissions. If you are running an aftermarket exhaust, it can contribute to decel popping.
The kit does not just remove the PAIR stuff, it also removes all of the emissions bullshit. When you see the amount of crap that comes off the bike it is kind of amazing. I'll will try and remember top post a pic of teh crap later.
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« Reply #47 on: July 20, 2018, 07:46:47 pm »

I like the popping on decel --- Its part of the Triumph Sprint's special character, guess you Bandit guys don't like it?      
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« Reply #48 on: July 20, 2018, 10:32:10 pm »

Added Metrick Metal’s forward foot peg kit. Ads a nice bit of comfort. Changed the oil while I was down there.



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« Reply #49 on: July 21, 2018, 12:48:16 pm »




To each his own.

The pair system - Pulsed Secondary Air Injection - is not a crank vent system. The engine has a separate system for that, the PCV system so there is no pressure build up.  PAIR it is a air injection system for emissions. It injects air down stream of the exhaust valve to improve emissions. If you are running an aftermarket exhaust, it can contribute to decel popping.
The kit does not just remove the PAIR stuff, it also removes all of the emissions bullshit. When you see the amount of crap that comes off the bike it is kind of amazing. I'll will try and remember top post a pic of teh crap later.


I'm not trying to be argumentative at all. I really like to "figure" things out.  I see no place or stuff that injects air anywhere in the Bandit exhaust system. When I took the stock exhaust off I looked and investigated. Could be that the Bandit always popped but with the catalytic converter in place maybe the popping was disguised. I would like someone to explain to me how injecting air into a modern, one coil per cylinder, motorcycle can induce popping. Again, not trying to be argumentative but trying to figure this out.
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« Reply #50 on: July 26, 2018, 06:22:53 pm »




I'm not trying to be argumentative at all. I really like to "figure" things out.  I see no place or stuff that injects air anywhere in the Bandit exhaust system. When I took the stock exhaust off I looked and investigated. Could be that the Bandit always popped but with the catalytic converter in place maybe the popping was disguised. I would like someone to explain to me how injecting air into a modern, one coil per cylinder, motorcycle can induce popping. Again, not trying to be argumentative but trying to figure this out.


No worries. On the 1250 engine, unlike the 1200, the air injection is internal to tje head.
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« Reply #51 on: August 02, 2018, 09:41:48 am »




No worries. On the 1250 engine, unlike the 1200, the air injection is internal to tje head.


I was reading my Service manual on my FJR1300. It says the reed valve on the valve cover injects air to the exhaust PORT. Aha! Must be same on the Bandit. However, the FJR1300 does not pop on downshift.     Headscratch     I have a Muzzy full system 4-1 exhaust on the FJR as I have a full system 4-1 on the Bandit. But the Bandit pops like a movie theater pop corn machine!


But I still don't understand how injected air would induce popping? One bike yes and the other no?! Oh well, another great mystery of science.
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« Reply #52 on: August 03, 2018, 06:58:28 pm »



But I still don't understand how injected air would induce popping? One bike yes and the other no?! Oh well, another great mystery of science.


I'm guessing here --  but if you have hot un-burned or partially burned fuel sitting in a 10% oxygen atmosphere (half the oxygen already burned)  and you suddenly introduce more oxygen and possibly compress it slightly --- that unburned fuel will detonate.  

If you're running rich and decelerating there may be a LOT of un-burned fuel in the exhaust
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« Reply #53 on: August 22, 2018, 05:45:19 pm »




I'm guessing here --  but if you have hot un-burned or partially burned fuel sitting in a 10% oxygen atmosphere (half the oxygen already burned)  and you suddenly introduce more oxygen and possibly compress it slightly --- that unburned fuel will detonate.  

If you're running rich and decelerating there may be a LOT of un-burned fuel in the exhaust

I believe you are right. The air is injected to burn any fuel left in the exhaust gas.
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« Reply #54 on: February 07, 2019, 08:25:43 am »

OK, BIB, here is the link to everything you need to know about adding cruise control:
 https://www.twtex.com/forums/threads/help-electronic-cruise-control.36298/

A little about my Bandit:
2008 SA in black
Windscreens: 1. Stock 2. MRA Vario [gets the most use; on there now] 3. A taller ZG unit to which I have added an MRA X-creen
MM mirror extenders and bar risers; also Holeshot risers. This required a new [SS] front brake hose
DL 1000 handguards
Holeshot fork brace
Cogent fork springs and spacers with 5w; 38mm sag
ADV LED lights replacing the fork-mounted reflectors. The lights are adjustable on low beam, go to full power on high
EBC front pads
Pilot IV's
Holeshot header
LV titanium can
PAIR eliminator kit. Did this to free up room to install the CC
Holeshot Stage II: no 2ndaries, airbox opened up with K&N, PC III
Holeshot solid steel nerf bars
Cogent shock, also set at 38mm sag
Audiovox CC unit with vacuum canister [just installed, makes me wonder why I waited 8 years to do it!]
Sargent and Holeshot/Corbin seats
Givi side racks and V35 panniers; SW-Motech top rack and Givi V46
AdMore LED lights on all 3 cases

At 26k miles, the chain and sprockets are about used up; will probably add a tooth to countershaft, as there is more than adequate power with the engine mods. About every 3rd tank I dip a rag in kerosene and run at idle in 1st on the centerstand to wipe the chain clean. Then I spray on a little chain wax.

Oil changes at 3 to 4k miles depending on use.

No pix for now, but I confess that I would rather ride and tinker than keep it spotless.

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« Reply #55 on: February 07, 2019, 11:12:15 am »


OK, BIB, here is the link to everything you need to know about adding cruise control:
 https://www.twtex.com/forums/threads/help-electronic-cruise-control.36298/

A little about my Bandit:
2008 SA in black
Windscreens: 1. Stock 2. MRA Vario [gets the most use; on there now] 3. A taller ZG unit to which I have added an MRA X-creen
MM mirror extenders and bar risers; also Holeshot risers. This required a new [SS] front brake hose
DL 1000 handguards
Holeshot fork brace
Cogent fork springs and spacers with 5w; 38mm sag
ADV LED lights replacing the fork-mounted reflectors. The lights are adjustable on low beam, go to full power on high
EBC front pads
Pilot IV's
Holeshot header
LV titanium can
PAIR eliminator kit. Did this to free up room to install the CC
Holeshot Stage II: no 2ndaries, airbox opened up with K&N, PC III
Holeshot solid steel nerf bars
Cogent shock, also set at 38mm sag
Audiovox CC unit with vacuum canister [just installed, makes me wonder why I waited 8 years to do it!]
Sargent and Holeshot/Corbin seats
Givi side racks and V35 panniers; SW-Motech top rack and Givi V46
AdMore LED lights on all 3 cases

At 26k miles, the chain and sprockets are about used up; will probably add a tooth to countershaft, as there is more than adequate power with the engine mods. About every 3rd tank I dip a rag in kerosene and run at idle in 1st on the centerstand to wipe the chain clean. Then I spray on a little chain wax.

Oil changes at 3 to 4k miles depending on use.

No pix for now, but I confess that I would rather ride and tinker than keep it spotless.

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Very nice, BB!!!

I have installed several Audiovox CCs. I have been thinking of putting one on the Bandit but the throttle lock works great and I haven't found room to install one. BINGO. I have decided after O2 beat me up on the PAIR removal to install one and you found room for the CC!

Go ahead and install the 19t sprocket. You will not be disappointed.
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« Reply #56 on: February 07, 2019, 05:19:06 pm »


I have decided after O2 beat me up...………….



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« Reply #57 on: February 07, 2019, 05:20:27 pm »

Bonnie,

 When do you think you might head down Delaware way to get the seat?
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« Reply #58 on: February 08, 2019, 07:53:40 am »

BiB: the TWT site admin had a major crash; this morning the site is back up but it appears to be a "last known good version". The linked thread is there, but if he doesn't get it all back, I may have to repost my addenda. And by the way, do you happen to know if the FA fairing assembly can be mounted on the older 1250's? I rode a Ninja 1000 ABS this week, and it has noticeably better wind protection than the Bandit; it also feels more planted at double the double nickel+. Ergos not so good. Always looking to improve!

02: my son is supposed to be heading here soon to help another family member move to a new house from an apartment. He can come by Dover on the way. Will keep you informed.

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BiB: the TWT site admin had a major crash; this morning the site is back up but it appears to be a "last known good version". The linked thread is there, but if he doesn't get it all back, I may have to repost my addenda. And by the way, do you happen to know if the FA fairing assembly can be mounted on the older 1250's? I rode a Ninja 1000 ABS this week, and it has noticeably better wind protection than the Bandit; it also feels more planted at double the double nickel+. Ergos not so good. Always looking to improve!

02: my son is supposed to be heading here soon to help another family member move to a new house from an apartment. He can come by Dover on the way. Will keep you informed.

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Sounds good.


As to the fairing, I believe the frames are the same so if you could source all the bracketry it should fit. How ever, I believe the instrument cluster is different. Unless you could find a donor bike it might be kind of pricey to do.


Does the Ninja have better overall wind protection or was it the additional leg protection that made the difference?
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