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« on: April 09, 2018, 11:02:26 pm »

The unthinkable has happened. One or more asshats, working for a sub-contractor doing work at our house, decided they just had to sit on my bright shiny red '03 BMW K1200RS. And they dropped it. Hard.

The prime contractor said that the sub said "one of our guys damaged the customer's bike's windshield". I guess they didn't tell the foreman about all of the tupperware, tupperware framing, handbrake, and saddlebag damage they did. There will be a sharp discussion shortly. Anyway... Using Max BMW's parts system. The parts bill for the obvious stuff comes up to $1798.73. Unpainted. Add $1009.63 if the fairing frame can't be pushed into place. And, if the customer's really steamed, $388 for the right saddle bag. Kelly lists trade-in on a superb edition at $2700, and retail at $3800. Which means, tossing incidentals like paint and labor, to say nothing of the odd bit or piece that wasn't immediately obvious, the bike is totaled with 45+K on the clock.

All of the above also explains some of why I've stopped swallowing the Beemer Kool-Aid. BMW=Break My Wallet

Soooooooooooo... The move to the K1200RS was prompted by the sudden death, due to a hydrauliced cylinder full of gas, of my "Barney purple" Concours. At the time the new C14 hadn't shown up and ABS was (and is) a must have. So now I'm apparently possessed of a totaled bike and spring is in the air. Is maybe another Connie in the future?

New isn't vaguely an option. SWMBO wishes I wouldn't ride. Anything that PO's SWMBO is a Bad Thing. Therefore, new is a Bad Thing.

Non-negotiable must haves: true cruise control. ABS. Two wheels, motor, something to sit on, and something to hold it all together are all desirable.

What do I need to know about when (model year) all of the must-have boxes were checked?

Riding style: moderate gusto, one-up w/ or w/o baggage, anything from slabs to back roads.
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2018, 10:20:12 am »

I ride an '09 14 Concours. with a re-flash on the ECM it is a real beast. 700# shafty that will do the 1/4 mile in 10.5 stock. The re-flash
removes the timing retard issue and has new fuel maps. The torque comes on much earlier and and has gobs more on top. Can be had in ABS and post '10's can have traction control. True Cruise Control could probably be added. I'm just fine with a properly installed Vista Cruise throttle lock. The KiPass system is weird at first. Don't ever loose the key fobs though. That could be a $1000 + mistake. Just a spare fob is around $350. The ECM is matched to the Fob. You must have a working Fob to program a new one. So if you lose the working Fob you have to buy a new ECM and matching Fob. The saddlebags require the key to unlock, every time. Must be locked to remove the key. They remove real easy as well and the bike looks great without them. They have an adjustable windscreen, I like that. Seating position is comfortable. I put on 2" handlebar risers which don't require any mods and make the riding position a little more upright. Doesn't seem to effect the handling. Use Michelin Pilot Road 4's. A 55 rear seems to work better than the stock 50. Seems to turn in faster/easier. It is a Shim under bucket engine. $$$ at the shop. There's something special about the swing arm system that reduces the "lift" on hard acceleration. Great fuel mileage, average riding will yield over 40 MPG. Lasat summer riding across Nevada/Utah @ 100+ I still got 37 MPG. All in all I think it is a very impressive touring bike. Fast as hell and is capable of serious peg scrappin'. Most people can't/won't reach it's limits.
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« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2018, 10:33:09 am »

Interesting comments. The torque comment catches my attention a lot. The K1200RS feels, even at low R's, as though it could pull stumps. I spent a week in the Alps on a K1600 GT. It had no bottom end, which made negotiating tight hairpins, in first, ...um... interesting. I count myself lucky I didn't drop in the middle of a couple turns. In other words, add must have low end torque to the gotta have.

OTOH, adding cruise control isn't a winner. I put it on the C10. Very low fun quotient in the job. From what I've heard on COG, it's less fun on the C14. If it's not factory original, pass.
(I also have it on our '90 VW Vanagon. Aside from a couple of routing issues and stringing cable between the motor and the "cockpit", that one was easy-peasy. Both were/are CCS-100's from Murph's.
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« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2018, 11:25:01 am »

Not trying to play the “my current bike brand loyalty card” ... but in the category you are looking, these are highly prized and rated. Just another alternative.  They are lovely in the flesh ...
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« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2018, 12:53:17 pm »

Get a third generation FJR, 2013 and up. It has everything you wish for, ABS, cruise control, side cases, seat, electric windshield, etc.
The motor: bullet proof, lots of torque, pulls easily from stops in third gear.  
Available in two versions, A and ES. The A is the basic with ABS, cruise, ride by wire, etc. The ES adds electronic suspension adjustment.
No radio or entertainment system, no integrated GPS.
Like all bikes, some like the seat, others don't. The same with the windshield.
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« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2018, 05:28:59 pm »

I was truly impressed with the concours 14 as we went 2-up across the country and the bike never missed a beat. Very nice comfort and power in a nice sport-touring package.
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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2018, 08:41:49 pm »

The only Triumphs I know qualify under "how do you know when a Triumph is out of oil?  When it stops leaking." I haven't ridden a new one (doesn't leak even with full oil charge). I really should. On paper, that rascal looks very attractive. And a ride from Indiana would be fun. NTL, this remains a long shot. As the (IMHO annoying and whiney) line goes, "gee, too bad you're not closer to me".

Thanks for sorting me out on A and ES. Having ridden the equivalent in both a BMW RT (boxer) and K1600, nice not a must have. 'Course, it depends on the existing shocks. My RS has Öhlin shocks - me likey. An electric windshield is nice. The weather starts to get wet, very nice let the main air stream blow over my head. When it's hot, dropping the shield is nice, too.

I have a Zumo 660 which, I found out, is a BMW Nav IV without the interface to the "wonder wheel" control. Other than that, plug and play. Woohoo. With the RS I use a Garmin mount on a RAM arm. Works for me.  Smile
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2018, 09:56:32 am »

Do I have it right, that no C14 Connie has cruise control? That I'd have to put one in?
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2018, 05:47:17 pm »


Do I have it right, that no C14 Connie has cruise control? That I'd have to put one in?

Unless the previous owner installed one, they have no cruise control.
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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2018, 09:32:04 pm »

Gotit. Just confirming what I thought I heard.  Smile
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« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2018, 01:17:12 pm »

Sigh... according to the adjuster, as a vehicle claim, it's almost certainly a total. As a liability claim, maybe yes, maybe no.
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« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2018, 06:08:01 pm »


Interesting comments. The torque comment catches my attention a lot. The K1200RS feels, even at low R's, as though it could pull stumps. I spent a week in the Alps on a K1600 GT. It had no bottom end, which made negotiating tight hairpins, in first, ...um... interesting. I count myself lucky I didn't drop in the middle of a couple turns. In other words, add must have low end torque to the gotta have.

OTOH, adding cruise control isn't a winner. I put it on the C10. Very low fun quotient in the job. From what I've heard on COG, it's less fun on the C14. If it's not factory original, pass.
(I also have it on our '90 VW Vanagon. Aside from a couple of routing issues and stringing cable between the motor and the "cockpit", that one was easy-peasy. Both were/are CCS-100's from Murph's.

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« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2018, 06:48:44 pm »

Ahh

Replacement bike should be:

Kawasaki Concours

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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2018, 10:12:07 pm »

Fascinating! Usually I avoid "the greatest ECU mod ever" but I like what I see here, as it relates to being able to pull stumps in 6th at idle.  Wink
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2018, 02:52:32 pm »

Get the insurance company(the subcontractor's?) to total your bike and then buy it back from the insurance company for pennies on the dollar.



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« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2018, 07:35:39 pm »

Nah. I shudder think how much I've put into this bike - ABS modulator ($2K), alternator, I've repressed whatever else. Tossing another $3K for parts (scrounging parts is out - I really want to ride before fall sets in) and $1700 for paint... Plus, at least in PA, getting a salvage title is a challenge and I'll still have a salvage title if I hope to sell the KRS at some point (flip it?). For me, lose-lose.

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I finally had a chance to sit on an FJR. I'm 6', 33" inseam, and the wide FJR saddle, next to the tank, leaves me feeling less than 100% planted. By comparison, I can fully stand up and move my KRS around under me. How's the Connie on this score?
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« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2018, 07:53:00 pm »

I just found a '10 Connie with 6K on it. It's listed, at a dealer, at $7K. It's farkled with a mystery custom saddle I want like a summer cold - I'll ask if the stock saddle is available (probably have to buy one). So... what's a 6-7 year younger Connie got this one doesn't? BTW, it's blue. I assume that makes it faster.  Wink
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I just found a '10 Connie with 6K on it. It's listed, at a dealer, at $7K. It's farkled with a mystery custom saddle I want like a summer cold - I'll ask if the stock saddle is available (probably have to buy one). So... what's a 6-7 year younger Connie got this one doesn't? BTW, it's blue. I assume that makes it faster.  Wink


I think you can get a Sargent seat off the shelf.  Just buy it so we can see the pics...
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I just found a '10 Connie with 6K on it. It's listed, at a dealer, at $7K. It's farkled with a mystery custom saddle I want like a summer cold - I'll ask if the stock saddle is available (probably have to buy one). So... what's a 6-7 year younger Connie got this one doesn't? BTW, it's blue. I assume that makes it faster.  Wink



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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2018, 09:22:35 pm »

I'll conceal the secret powers of the paint.  Bigsmile

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I rode a BMW K1300GT and positively hated the saddle. I couldn't shift my weight in turns, standing at stops was no fun - hated it. On the C10 I had a Corbin "feels like a plank" saddle that slowly melted into the proper shape. I wouldn't mind having one again.

Anyway, the big questions are how out of date is a '10. How wide is the front of the saddle. I think I've heard the stock saddle has a tendency to bring "the boys" into contact with the tank. Why, why, why is that allowed to happen.  Crazy
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