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« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2018, 09:51:24 pm »



Anyway, the big questions are how out of date is a '10.


2010 was when the C14 had significant revisions in fact the most of any year since production so it is a good year.
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« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2018, 10:00:33 pm »

I'm reading some '10 reviews. When I still had the C10, I remember hearing about the cockpit heat issues and some other gripes being addressed. Keeping mind 'the devil's in the details", I'm trying to figure out what I'm missing from later bikes. For example, in '16 the FJR went from 5 to 6 gears; no small change.
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« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2018, 11:28:41 pm »


I'll conceal the secret powers of the paint.  Bigsmile

Link to listing.

I rode a BMW K1300GT and positively hated the saddle. I couldn't shift my weight in turns, standing at stops was no fun - hated it. On the C10 I had a Corbin "feels like a plank" saddle that slowly melted into the proper shape. I wouldn't mind having one again.

Anyway, the big questions are how out of date is a '10. How wide is the front of the saddle. I think I've heard the stock saddle has a tendency to bring "the boys" into contact with the tank. Why, why, why is that allowed to happen.  Crazy


'10 was the year Kawasaki fixed the initial C14 issues, less engine heat on the rider, higher mirrors, a different location for the glove box, etc.
It has linked ABS, traction control, heated grips, not sure if standard but look for them.
It is a bit higher and heavier than the FJR, and the center of mass is higher too.  

If you're interested, a friend installed this cruise control. Way more expensive than the CCS but worth looking at it: https://www.mccruise.com/collections/kawasaki/products/kawasaki-z1400gtr-concours-from-2010-new-product-featuring-our-compact-electric-servo?variant=779795033
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« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2018, 11:38:02 pm »

Heh, heh, heh... I did more homework and found a '14 for a better price and lower miles. TINSTAAFL, of course. I try to get to the dealer tomorrow and see what's what with the price and 6600 miles. Gotta be a McGuffin in there. Maybe not.

Soooooooooooooo... what's not happening in the '14 vs 3 years later. The '15 added the vent in the windshield, and a heinous green paint. This '14 is red (slower than the blue ones, I fear). The big question will be what happens when I fork this puppy (horse riding term, not avoiding an f-bomb  Bigsmile  ).
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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2018, 11:53:30 am »

I didn't get to the dealer with the '14. The close at 5 on weekends and it was too late to make the hour long trip and do anything really useful (test ride). Instead I rode the '16 FJR (blue - v. quick). It got in about an hour and a half on a mix of roads from high speed limited access to a nearby good twisty road. It all went quite well, and I got better terms with balancing the bike. I like to come to a stop with my bike fully balanced and needing feet down at the  last minute. I managed to pull that off with the FJR. Frankly, I'm in serious lust. But... SWMBO is steamed about the out-the-door price. Much as I like the bike, I can't say as I'm too thrilled, either. I looked up the NADA and Kelly retail numbers for a '16 in our area. MCC is hard against the upper limit and not willing to give more than a $500 break. The deal would be a direct purchase with no trade-in. Maybe that's a plus (prep and so on, for a bike that won't be a hot seller and has a relatively low resale value). Maybe that's a negative (no chance for a profit from selling the bike directly or to an auction).  Shrug
Thoughts on any of this?

So... I'm back to the less expensive '14 Connie. Again, what am I giving up versus a later Connie? Can anyone do a "compare/contrast" with the FJR? I found one review on YT, but it wasn't really helpful.
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« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2018, 10:29:44 pm »

I have owned 4 FJRs and 2 C14s.  The last C14, a 2010, has been a great motorcycle but I had to add a Penske shock and fully adjustable ZX-14 forks to get the ride quality I wanted.

When riding the C14 back to back with my 2014 FJR-ES, itís very obvious that the FJR is in its 3rd generation while the C14 is deeply stuck in its 2nd generation.  The FJR is better than the C14 in every category except raw horsepower and acceleration...and itís not that far behind the C14 in that category.

If you are interested in a FJR, pay the piper and get a 3rd GEN....2013 or newer.
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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2018, 01:33:52 am »

I hear you. Until I can get a ride on a Connie, I'm stalled for making a decision. And, oh, the Triumph Trophy SE has crept into the discussion. Caramba! Rolleyes
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« Reply #27 on: April 17, 2018, 08:02:35 am »

For anyone keeping track of it, the insurance start to this thread has been almost completely resolved. The bike has been totaled under the idiots' liability insurance. Basically, the insurance company looked at the cost of repairs, a lot, and the value of the bike, not a lot. Totaled. It feels like a "you vehicle hit my vehicle" result, but think about it. The insurance people aren't to spend more than the bike's worth to make it all bright and shiny again. They're not a charity.

I'm pissed. The actual work to revive the bike is no more than I did when I added the air horn or HID's. Three hunks of tupperware come off, do work, tupperware goes back on. Movie over. But...the current tupperware is broken. I have to buy new tupperware and paint it. I can buy the bike back - for a ridiculous amount - do the work myself, and there's a bright shiny bike. With a salvage title and zero resale value. All that's left is to wave bye-bye as a bike that's in sound mechanical condition and bad cosmetics goes away.
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« Reply #28 on: April 17, 2018, 08:11:57 am »

Anyone that rides a BMW can have their own private engineer study, design and fabricate a solution to any inconvenience found by them.
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« Reply #29 on: April 17, 2018, 08:51:37 am »

Not if they're on the verge on insolvency after buying components made with unobtainium treated with a BMW proprietary process.

I like the KRS enough to spend too effin' much money on two major repairs (alternator, ABS module). NTL anything else of this magnitude is a bridge too far. I could take my chances with fleaBay but even that won't be cheap. Because of an utterly event not of my doing, I've come to end of the road. The scary thing is all of my bikes bought after the "rode, stopped riding, riding again" cycle have died. Honda CB900 Custom dropped a valve (good luck finding same), the Connie C10 motor was hydrauliced by too much gas in a cylinder, and now the KRS, hit by a pile of wood. That's a scary trend.  EEK!
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« Reply #30 on: April 17, 2018, 09:07:07 am »

You see? You have to ride them more.             Bigok                      Your bikes sitting around is costing you money. By your own explanation, if you were riding them you would not have had the trouble you've had. I will send you a financial counseling bill.
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« Reply #31 on: April 17, 2018, 10:08:36 am »

All of them got plenty of exercise. The CB900 was/is a weird bike. Based on the CB750 motor, Honda pumped the motor up decided to go to a shaft drive. Unfortunately the CB750/900 tranny drives a chain on the right side. The Gold Wing shaft/rear end are on the left. Rather than just put a simple shaft across the back of the motor, someone decided to make it a two speed transfer gear. The CB900 Custom was a ten-speed bike. Of course the gears overlapped. If the bike hadn't been a barn find (well large chicken coop), I might have come to my senses and sold it. Instead, I rigged it with a full Vetter fairing kit - fairing, lowers, and bags. As it is, the "remains" were sold, on eBay, to a guy from Alabama who drove to Philadelphia, loaded the bike on a trailer and went back to Alabama in a hurry. "I gotta work tonight."  Rolleyes

I found the C10 locally (don't remember how). I put a CCS-100 in it. If it hadn't been for the damn gas leak, it would have stayed around longer, but not much. I decided that ABS was essential. The bent piston rod forced the issue. The bike went to someone present on the site.

The KRS started out as a boxer RT. Except, on the demo ride, I realized I really, really, really didn't want to ride bike that feels like a sewing machine. Still don't, for that matter, with the exception of an '09 loaner that had just a touch of Laz-Y-Boy massage to it. Anyway, I was offered a KRS and here we are.
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« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2018, 10:43:18 am »

"The CB900 Custom was a ten-speed bike"

Hey, I had one of those in the early 90s. It was a great bike and a comfy sofa
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« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2018, 04:53:22 pm »

Cowhorn bars and a big-butt saddle - more like a cow pony than a bike?  Lol
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« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2018, 09:41:43 pm »

I've decided to accept the "full" offer and use it to buy The Next Bike. The answer to my question: do I think I want another Concours. I think I thought I did, but I've decided to go with an FJR 1300ES. Using an old Quaker expression, "it speaks to my condition".

Great thanks for the help, input, and frivolity.  Smile
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« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2018, 11:28:19 am »

just buy a ZX 14 and put some Meals on Wheels Boxes on it

bar risers and a better seat

Then you got a rocket ship Sport Touring Machine
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« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2018, 12:12:58 pm »

If there's no eye bleach and "that which is seen cannot be unseen", I guess there's no brain bleach for the idea of a ZX14 with ape hangers and MOW boxes.  EEK!
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« Reply #37 on: April 21, 2018, 02:51:48 pm »

Just yesterday, a nice Kawasaki salesman told me that the new Ninja H2 make the Concours now look like a SV650 in comparison.

You always have to trust the nice salesman. Bigok
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