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« on: October 05, 2019, 10:44:36 am »

I've been riding most of my life, and now ride a Yamaha FJ-09 and living in eastern tenn.. My 5'4" wife started riding in 2003, a few years later had accident which shook her up a bit. she used to ride a HD Road King and rode well. she downsized to Kaw Vulcan 650; which got wrecked in accident. Now she rides my previous ride, a Kaw Ninja 650R. It's if she's learning to ride all over again. Problem is we ride with slow riding cruiser friends.    When I ride with her, and/or with them, I'm erratically riding as if I'm in a parade in 3rd and 4th gear, and even worse in a twisty road! I enjoy riding semi aggressive by myself, or w/ a sport tour group. I'm thinking of a second bike for myself, either a Ninja or verses 300; or even smaller, and NO, i'm not riding a scooter! I could take back the Ninja, and get her a newer Ninja, but still hard to ride slow.   What to do!!!


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« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2019, 01:56:56 pm »

When we rode with others, I would follow my wife in whatever position we were in.  When she got tired of the cluster fuck, she would signal to stop and I would wave the others by.  We would then go our own way.
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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2019, 06:21:27 pm »

I don't think a smaller engine bike is really going to help you slow down...  I've had similar issues with the Interceptor in group settings.  I typically have a long ride out to wherever the meet-up point is at, and I find the Interceptor is a more comfortable ride, especially for long days, than my Magna.  However, I find the Magna to be easier to adjust my riding to slower groups.  A lot of that I think is how the power is delivered, and the geometry of the bikes.  To me, the lower center of gravity of a cruiser makes cornering much more relaxed than on a sport-touring/sport bike.

I can corner faster on the Interceptor, and truly enjoy technical roads on that bike more, but the Interceptor is much more particular about my cornering lines.  The Magna on the other hand, I can pretty much slow down as much as I need to, and tractor out of corners.

As far as group rides, if I'm on the Interceptor, and it's a slower group, I'll drop to the back so I can give myself space ahead to take my line how I want to take it, and still try to minimize my impact on the ride for everyone else.  The new rider on the Rebel 250 doesn't need the big loud sport bike trying push them to ride harder than they feel they can safely ride (or any rider for that matter).

I'll also see who else is riding a similar style/power bike, see if they know the route/area, and reserve the option to break off with them if the group really gets bogged down.

If you really want to get another bike specifically for group rides, I'd suggest something with a low center of gravity that delivers torque almost immediately (which I think cruisers rule the market on this one...).  The Magna's been long discontinued, but there's still few "power cruiser" or roadster models out and about that are comparable (not matched) in power and weight to the middle weight sport-touring market.

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« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2019, 10:49:44 pm »

Thanks for reply;
I've considered a cruiser sa. a 750 shadow, or similar. My wife is afraid I may hurt myself in cornering not being used to the riding style compared to the FJ9. Once I had to ride a Suzuki LC Intruder 1500 on a fly/ride, coming from my Ninja 650; I had a hard time dealing with the longer fork rake. I finally got used to it on the last day, but wouldn't ride that way regularly. Maybe there's a small cruiser w/ shorter rake. That's probably why I was looking for either a Ninja or Verses 300. I'll have to demo all of them to know.  

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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2019, 08:42:10 am »

I found it extremely difficult and almost impossible to ride my Ninja 650 with a bunch of slow (I mean really really slow) cruiser riders on a lunch ride a month ago.  So much so that I had to break off on the way back home before I lost my sanity.  I donít really think that the kind of bike even makes a difference.  Itís more in the mindset.  I donít ride a motorcycle in order to see and enjoy the scenery.

After all....if youíre looking at the scenery, whoís watching the road?  


Iím riding in order to EXPERIENCE the ride.  The sensations associated with cornering correctly and handling a bike (any bike) in a proficient way are much more important to my enjoyment than looking at the scenery.  I can look at the scenery from a car, but I canít enjoy the same experience in a car that I get on a bike.

One of the riders on that lunch ride, who was on a Kawasaki Boulevard with his wife, mentioned that he also had a GSXR 750.  So we met up a few weeks later for what I had him them would be a ďspiritedĒ ride.  I had to stop, literally stop, 3X within the first 15 miles of our favorite twisty road and wait for him to catch up, and I was already riding 5 miles UNDER the 55mph speed limit!  This is a road where maintaining 5-10+ is really not that difficult for most riders.

Riding slow like that is a mindset that has nothing to do with what bike they are on.
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2019, 10:35:48 am »

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2019, 12:59:09 pm »


I found it extremely difficult and almost impossible to ride my Ninja 650 with a bunch of slow (I mean really really slow) cruiser riders on a lunch ride a month ago.  So much so that I had to break off on the way back home before I lost my sanity.  I donít really think that the kind of bike even makes a difference.  Itís more in the mindset.  I donít ride a motorcycle in order to see and enjoy the scenery.

After all....if youíre looking at the scenery, whoís watching the road?  


Iím riding in order to EXPERIENCE the ride.  The sensations associated with cornering correctly and handling a bike (any bike) in a proficient way are much more important to my enjoyment than looking at the scenery.  I can look at the scenery from a car, but I canít enjoy the same experience in a car that I get on a bike.

One of the riders on that lunch ride, who was on a Kawasaki Boulevard with his wife, mentioned that he also had a GSXR 750.  So we met up a few weeks later for what I had him them would be a ďspiritedĒ ride.  I had to stop, literally stop, 3X within the first 15 miles of our favorite twisty road and wait for him to catch up, and I was already riding 5 miles UNDER the 55mph speed limit!  This is a road where maintaining 5-10+ is really not that difficult for most riders.

Riding slow like that is a mindset that has nothing to do with what bike they are on.



I so agree with you !
I also thought I could just ride my old ninja 650 when riding with my wife, and let her get a newer ninja 650 or equal, or instead  invest in a cruiser for  more comfort at slower speeds. I think the sport type 300's are too buzzy, and $$, and wouldn't be comfortable in the long run.

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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2019, 11:08:03 am »

What to ride with a slow group? Nothing. Skip that event all together. A group that goes with traffic is the only way to go. We don't have to ride like we are practicing for next weekends race but to be a road block is not right.
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« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2019, 04:08:28 pm »

My cure to it is to not ride in groups of more than three or four whenever possible. On rare occasion, more than four of us do get together, we are all of like minded  riding so it works out.

My exception, charity rides.

The again, the Bandit can chug along happily when needed as it is a torque monster.  Bigsmile
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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2019, 09:52:36 am »


My cure to it is to not ride in groups of more than three or four whenever possible. On rare occasion, more that four of us do get together, ut we are all of like minded  riding so it works out.

My exception, charity rides.

The again, the Bandit can chug along happily when needed as it is a torque monster.  Bigsmile


When larger groups don't break into smaller, 3-5 bike groups with at least 300 yards between each, I meet them at the destination.
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« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2019, 10:58:14 am »

Might try a big adventure bike. I've found my older R1200GS is the easiest and most enjoyable bike I have to ride slow. My FJ09 and Griso are tied for least enjoyable to ride slow.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2019, 09:10:46 pm »




When larger groups don't break into smaller, 3-5 bike groups with at least 300 yards between each, I meet them at the destination.


 The few charity events I do are escorted so a huge group is less of an issue.  The last one I did, Miles for Military to benefit the Military/ Local USO, was close to a thousand bikes. Went smooth though as the route and that it was Police escorted was put out to the public a few weeks in advance.
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« Reply #12 on: October 26, 2019, 12:44:28 pm »




 The few charity events I do are escorted so a huge group is less of an issue.  The last one I did, Miles for Military to benefit the Military/ Local USO, was close to a thousand bikes. Went smooth though as the route and that it was Police escorted was put out to the public a few weeks in advance.


The last big ride i did was an escorted xmas toy run. Big event. We barely made it the first mile or 2 to an interstate part of the run when a bike 2 back from me wrecked. The rider fell off and the bike kept going; passing into my peripheral vision as it angled off into the ditch.

Never again. Too  many riders. Too close together. Unknown skills and sobriety.
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2019, 03:18:36 am »

Thanks for reply;
I've considered a cruiser sa. a 750 shadow, or similar. My wife is afraid I may hurt myself in cornering not being used to the riding style compared to the FJ9. Once I had to ride a Suzuki LC Intruder 1500 on a fly/ride, coming from my Ninja 650; I had a hard time dealing with the longer fork rake. I finally got used to it on the last day, but wouldn't ride that way regularly. Maybe there's a small cruiser w/ shorter rake. That's probably why I was looking for either a Ninja or Verses 300. I'll have to demo all of them to know.   

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The biggest difference for me between the Interceptor and the Magna is the ratio of handlebar input to body position input required for cornering.

The best way I can think to describe it is that I tend to "steer" though corners on a cruiser, and I tend to  "lean" through corners on a sport(touring) bike.  I wouldn't say it's harder, it's just different.  I started on the Magna, and got used to giving deliberate inputs, which made sportier bikes feel almost psychic to me when I first started riding them.

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« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2019, 02:24:22 pm »

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