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Engine config: I4 - 183 (0.7%)
Engine config: I3 - 79 (0.3%)
Engine config: I2 - 11 (0%)
Engine config: V2 or opposed twin - 125 (0.5%)
Engine config: V4 - 240 (0.9%)
Engine config: specify below - 5 (0%)
Displacement:  ~750cc - 79 (0.3%)
Displacement:  ~1000cc - 252 (1%)
Displacement:  ~1200cc - 226 (0.9%)
Displacement:  ~1400cc - 95 (0.4%)
Wet weight:  ~500 lbs - 289 (1.1%)
Wet weight:  ~550 lbs - 233 (0.9%)
Wet weight:  ~600 lbs - 82 (0.3%)
Wet weight:  ~650 lbs - 25 (0.1%)
Final drive: chain - 125 (0.5%)
Final drive: shaft - 376 (1.5%)
Final drive: belt - 140 (0.5%)
Fuel: ~5.0 gal - 94 (0.4%)
Fuel: ~6.0 gal - 338 (1.3%)
Fuel: ~7.0 gal - 209 (0.8%)
Ergos: Manual adjust (seat, bars, pegs) - 508 (2%)
Ergos: Static - 83 (0.3%)
Heated: Grips - 205 (0.8%)
Heated: Grips & seat - 175 (0.7%)
Heated: Optional - 203 (0.8%)
ABS: Standard - 234 (0.9%)
ABS: Optional - 360 (1.4%)
Windscreen: Motorized - 325 (1.3%)
Windscreen: Manual step adjust - 192 (0.8%)
Windscreen: Static - 101 (0.4%)
Windscreen: Naked! - 13 (0.1%)
Swingarm: Standard - 267 (1%)
Swingarm: Single sided - 311 (1.2%)
Hardbags: Standard integrated - 35 (0.1%)
Hardbags: Standard removable - 474 (1.9%)
Hardbags: Optional - 115 (0.5%)
GPS: Integrated - 121 (0.5%)
GPS: Optional - 403 (1.6%)
Suspension: ESA type - 92 (0.4%)
Suspension: Fully adjustable, manual - 443 (1.7%)
Suspension: Semi-adjustable - 74 (0.3%)
Power outlets: 1 standard - 133 (0.5%)
Power outlets: 2 standard - 317 (1.2%)
Power outlets: 3 standard - 98 (0.4%)
Power outlets: optional - 70 (0.3%)
Instruments:  Mostly analog (like the current Busa) - 329 (1.3%)
Instruments:  Mostly digital with full computer - 282 (1.1%)
Engine cooling:  Liquid - 568 (2.2%)
Engine cooling:  Air/oil - 62 (0.2%)
Color options: 1 - 34 (0.1%)
Color options: More than 1 - 531 (2.1%)
Gas tank:  metal - 473 (1.9%)
Gas tank:  plastic - 105 (0.4%)
Generator output:  ~500W - 44 (0.2%)
Generator output:  ~600W - 245 (1%)
Generator output:  ~700W - 295 (1.2%)
Gears: 5 - 36 (0.1%)
Gears: 6 - 593 (2.3%)
Signals: Integrated, self canceling - 333 (1.3%)
Signals: Integrated, manual canceling - 176 (0.7%)
Signals: On stalks, self canceling - 66 (0.3%)
Signals: On stalks, manual canceling - 42 (0.2%)
Cruise control:  Standard - 236 (0.9%)
Cruise control:  optional - 336 (1.3%)
Linked brakes:  Yes - 187 (0.7%)
Linked brakes:  No - 401 (1.6%)
Lights: HID - 471 (1.8%)
Lights: Standard - 121 (0.5%)
Tail light: LED - 507 (2%)
Tail light: Standard - 72 (0.3%)
Glove box: Yes - 376 (1.5%)
Glove box: No - 166 (0.7%)
Underseat helmet hooks: Yes - 392 (1.5%)
Underseat helmet hooks: No - 151 (0.6%)
Front brakes: Standard - 203 (0.8%)
Front brakes: Radial mount - 355 (1.4%)
Front fork: Standard - 164 (0.6%)
Front fork: USD Standard - 310 (1.2%)
Front fork: Single sided (like GTS) - 12 (0%)
Front fork: Paralever, duolever, Hossack, etc - 86 (0.3%)
Fueling: Fuel injection - 589 (2.3%)
Fueling: Old school carbs - 28 (0.1%)
Wheels: 17 inch - 527 (2.1%)
Wheels: Other (specify below) - 10 (0%)
Ignition: Manual key - 460 (1.8%)
Ignition: KPASS type (keyless) - 114 (0.4%)
Instrument controls:  Left side, dash mount - 194 (0.8%)
Instrument controls:  Right side, dash mount - 51 (0.2%)
Instrument controls:  Left side, bar mount - 198 (0.8%)
Instrument controls:  Right side, bar mount - 30 (0.1%)
Mirrors: Adjustable length, manual - 345 (1.4%)
Mirrors: Standard - 210 (0.8%)
Frame styling:  Aluminum - 232 (0.9%)
Frame styling:  Annodized aluminum (ie. black) - 207 (0.8%)
Frame styling: Trellis type - 102 (0.4%)
Overall styling:  Angular, aggressive - 115 (0.5%)
Overall styling:  Angular, conservative - 104 (0.4%)
Overall styling:  Smooth, aggressive - 269 (1.1%)
Overall styling:  Smooth, conservative - 97 (0.4%)
Fairing: Forms of adjustable ducting - 263 (1%)
Fairing: Engine mostly sealed - 91 (0.4%)
Fairing: Traditional type ducting - 180 (0.7%)
Exhaust: Single side - 184 (0.7%)
Exhaust: Dual - 258 (1%)
Exhaust: Underseat - 155 (0.6%)
Cat: Between header and can - 204 (0.8%)
Cat: In can - 257 (1%)
Valve train: Variable for perf and/or mileage - 205 (0.8%)
Valve train: Standard overhead - 263 (1%)
Valve train: Desmo type - 41 (0.2%)
Valve adjust: ~10K miles - 25 (0.1%)
Valve adjust: ~20K miles - 192 (0.8%)
Valve adjust: ~30K miles - 319 (1.3%)
Valve adjust type: Screw - 137 (0.5%)
Valve adjust type: Shim over bucket - 70 (0.3%)
Valve adjust type: Shim under bucket - 62 (0.2%)
Valve adjust type: Hydraulic type - 241 (0.9%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $8000 - 66 (0.3%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $10000 - 116 (0.5%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $12000 - 213 (0.8%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $14000 - 137 (0.5%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $16000 - 73 (0.3%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $18000 - 17 (0.1%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $20000+ - 4 (0%)
Load capacity:  Specifically designed for solo STing - 192 (0.8%)
Load capacity:  Traditional 2 up touring - 299 (1.2%)
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« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2007, 11:25:18 pm »

BMW actually came pretty close to the perfect bike for me with the 800ST.  Just wish it had a little smaller inline 2, a ow mounted exhaust, a smaller price, and biggest of all didn't have the gremlins that seems to be effecting a lot of new owners.  So I guess my Kaw 650R is even closer except no belt drive and no centerstand.  Anyone ever add a center stand to a bike that didn't have one?  A small VFR (with an line twin) would be the shit.
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« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2007, 12:46:36 am »

Anyone ever add a center stand to a bike that didn't have one?


Yeah, it's not usually too big of a deal, people put them on SVs all the time. Problem is that from the look of it the 650R, with it's exhaust and fairing set up, doesnt have any place where one could be installed. Look at this picture, I  can't figure out where one could go without a LOT of material and work.

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« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2007, 01:13:48 am »

Also, please only vote once.  Don't vote with sock puppets.  Thanks. Thumbsup
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« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2007, 03:53:36 am »


I tried to think of as many relevent options as possible.  If something isn't covered in the poll choices, post it below.  I can added choices to the poll if some good ones come up.


Mercy Skipper... 500 lbs is the lowest you'll go in the poll??? no wonder there's little hope of ever
experiencing a 450 lb wet sport touring machine... please realize your site has the power to challenge the
manufactures to at least consider the possibilities???  
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« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2007, 08:02:57 am »




Mercy Skipper... 500 lbs is the lowest you'll go in the poll??? no wonder there's little hope of ever
experiencing a 450 lb wet sport touring machine... please realize your site has the power to challenge the
manufactures to at least consider the possibilities???  

Is this another vote for the mini VFR?  I'd be in heaven if we got a FI little bike over here in the states.
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« Reply #25 on: August 16, 2007, 10:26:24 am »

Geez Louise on the weight basement -- with the options all off, it's just GOTTA be less than 5 large!

good food for thought, though -- thanks for thinkin it up!

an alternate take on some of the choices might be outcomes/capabilities rather than specs, though -- i.e., range, rather than fuel capacity, performance rather than engine size, and like that

 
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« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2007, 11:32:56 am »

You only missed 2 items.

1. Exhaust, underengine, side exit.

2. Luggage, none. Separate Unigo. More capacity, no sign when left at home/hotel for running around.

See me next year for prototype. All parts gathered, central uniframe in design now.

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« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2007, 12:06:24 pm »


You only missed 2 items.

1. Exhaust, underengine, side exit.

2. Luggage, none. Separate Unigo. More capacity, no sign when left at home/hotel for running around.

See me next year for prototype. All parts gathered, central uniframe in design now.


Yeah, I missed under engine exhaust.  That's why I asked people to post things I forgot.  I theory this list could be 10 times what I listed. Lol

For all the options:  Optional = none.  If you don't want luggage...don't buy em. Bigsmile
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« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2007, 01:06:00 pm »



Is this another vote for the mini VFR?  I'd be in heaven if we got a FI little bike over here in the states.


My eyes would just roll to heaven if Honda anted up a 600cc version of the 400cc NC35... pure sex on wheels... no???

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« Reply #30 on: August 16, 2007, 01:58:18 pm »




My eyes would just roll to heaven if Honda anted up a 600cc version of the 400cc NC35... pure sex on wheels... no???



I'd just be happy with bringing back the nc35!  You could big bore it if you wanted.  Lol  Honestly, the ~53 ponies (a few more with FI and a new pipe I'm sure) would be all I'd want.  Right now it looks like the closest thing to a perfect bike for me will be to frankenbike a ninja 500.  Add a luggage rack, upgrade the suspension, and do all sorts of other stuff to it.
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I'd just be happy with bringing back the nc35!  You could big bore it if you wanted.  Lol  Honestly, the ~53 ponies (a few more with FI and a new pipe I'm sure) would be all I'd want.  Right now it looks like the closest thing to a perfect bike for me will be to frankenbike a ninja 500.  Add a luggage rack, upgrade the suspension, and do all sorts of other stuff to it.


Mercy Lauren... if it were possible to big bore the 400 to 600 I'd allready have done it... how about you
only call up 53 of your 106 ponies instead???
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« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2007, 02:26:11 pm »




Mercy Lauren... if it were possible to big bore the 400 to 600 I'd allready have done it... how about you
only call up 53 of your 106 ponies instead???

A V4 600 does sound very interesting, I agree.  It's just that if I have too many more ponies than I need, I start seeing blue flashing lights.  Lol  The 636 is a back road weekend toy for that reason, and the 250 does the long hauls and touring.  At least I only road rage on the bicycle.
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« Reply #33 on: August 16, 2007, 04:42:24 pm »

Huh.  After ticking through all the boxes as far as what I really want (cheap, shaft drive, cheap, luggage, wind protection, cheap), I ended up with:

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Huh.  After ticking through all the boxes as far as what I really want (cheap, shaft drive, cheap, luggage, wind protection, cheap), I ended up with:

Yep.  Some people may find, if they answer the poll honestly, that the bike they are looking for already exists.  Or one very close to it.
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« Reply #35 on: August 16, 2007, 05:00:23 pm »



Yep.  Some people may find, if they answer the poll honestly, that the bike they are looking for already exists.  Or one very close to it.


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Yep.  Some people may find, if they answer the poll honestly, that the bike they are looking for already exists.  Or one very close to it.


True.  NOW BRING IT TO THE STATES, HONDA!
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« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2007, 11:36:52 pm »

Skip,
Best poll I have seen in a long time....while many disagree on many fine point there were a lot of points that got hit by many people...The fellow with the pic of the Deauville would fill the bill for many people. One of the major mags many years back did a similar poll...I think it was back in about 83..the Yamaha Vision had a lot of what people wanted......Too bad it went the way of a lot of Yamahas.....Great poll ..though a lot of what I wanted I got in my ST1300...yeah guys I readily admit it is heavier..and so am I but it carries me well and ridden at the "pace" gives pretty good economy...Keep up the good work oh about the sabbatical .... and time off They retired my old butt after 27 years as a Fire Fighter something about not passing a pulmonary function test...best job I ever had....worked 110 days a year.....got 10 shifts off a year and major holidays too.
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« Reply #38 on: August 18, 2007, 12:36:21 pm »


Huh.  After ticking through all the boxes as far as what I really want (cheap, shaft drive, cheap, luggage, wind protection, cheap), I ended up with:




That's very close to what I'm looking for as well. If only they'd bring it to the states.
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« Reply #39 on: August 18, 2007, 09:43:02 pm »




Mercy Skipper... 500 lbs is the lowest you'll go in the poll??? no wonder there's little hope of ever
experiencing a 450 lb wet sport touring machine... please realize your site has the power to challenge the
manufactures to at least consider the possibilities???  


I was surprised too.  Ideally I would want a curb weight of less than 500lbs.  My Z1000 and ST3 weigh in at about 440lbs dry.  That's as heavy as I want as I always seem to end up in un-ideal conditions.  For example, I hit  several km of gravel in road construction on my first day trip on the ST3 today. Crazy   (I'm currently deliberately avoiding things like that until my shoulder injury heals.  I was not impressed)

I picked I4 instead of V-twin.  I know own both types and the difference is amazing.  I find the I4 to be smoother off idle (good for around town).  The L2 of the Ducati however, is kind of lumpy and grumpy off idle, but then the torque starts to pull from quite low and just keeps going.  In order to not exceed the break-in RPM I would up shift before each pass today and I still had lots of torque  Bigsmile

So, maybe I should change my vote.  The I4 is a good around town bike and a good squid bike, whereas the L seems better for touring.

P.S.  I also voted for Desmo valves, but with a really really looong adjustment interval!
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