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Question: Pick one from each option category
Engine config: I4 - 183 (0.7%)
Engine config: I3 - 79 (0.3%)
Engine config: I2 - 11 (0%)
Engine config: V2 or opposed twin - 125 (0.5%)
Engine config: V4 - 240 (0.9%)
Engine config: specify below - 5 (0%)
Displacement:  ~750cc - 79 (0.3%)
Displacement:  ~1000cc - 252 (1%)
Displacement:  ~1200cc - 226 (0.9%)
Displacement:  ~1400cc - 95 (0.4%)
Wet weight:  ~500 lbs - 289 (1.1%)
Wet weight:  ~550 lbs - 233 (0.9%)
Wet weight:  ~600 lbs - 82 (0.3%)
Wet weight:  ~650 lbs - 25 (0.1%)
Final drive: chain - 125 (0.5%)
Final drive: shaft - 376 (1.5%)
Final drive: belt - 140 (0.5%)
Fuel: ~5.0 gal - 94 (0.4%)
Fuel: ~6.0 gal - 338 (1.3%)
Fuel: ~7.0 gal - 209 (0.8%)
Ergos: Manual adjust (seat, bars, pegs) - 508 (2%)
Ergos: Static - 83 (0.3%)
Heated: Grips - 205 (0.8%)
Heated: Grips & seat - 175 (0.7%)
Heated: Optional - 203 (0.8%)
ABS: Standard - 234 (0.9%)
ABS: Optional - 360 (1.4%)
Windscreen: Motorized - 325 (1.3%)
Windscreen: Manual step adjust - 192 (0.8%)
Windscreen: Static - 101 (0.4%)
Windscreen: Naked! - 13 (0.1%)
Swingarm: Standard - 267 (1%)
Swingarm: Single sided - 311 (1.2%)
Hardbags: Standard integrated - 35 (0.1%)
Hardbags: Standard removable - 474 (1.9%)
Hardbags: Optional - 115 (0.5%)
GPS: Integrated - 121 (0.5%)
GPS: Optional - 403 (1.6%)
Suspension: ESA type - 92 (0.4%)
Suspension: Fully adjustable, manual - 443 (1.7%)
Suspension: Semi-adjustable - 74 (0.3%)
Power outlets: 1 standard - 133 (0.5%)
Power outlets: 2 standard - 317 (1.2%)
Power outlets: 3 standard - 98 (0.4%)
Power outlets: optional - 70 (0.3%)
Instruments:  Mostly analog (like the current Busa) - 329 (1.3%)
Instruments:  Mostly digital with full computer - 282 (1.1%)
Engine cooling:  Liquid - 568 (2.2%)
Engine cooling:  Air/oil - 62 (0.2%)
Color options: 1 - 34 (0.1%)
Color options: More than 1 - 531 (2.1%)
Gas tank:  metal - 473 (1.9%)
Gas tank:  plastic - 105 (0.4%)
Generator output:  ~500W - 44 (0.2%)
Generator output:  ~600W - 245 (1%)
Generator output:  ~700W - 295 (1.2%)
Gears: 5 - 36 (0.1%)
Gears: 6 - 593 (2.3%)
Signals: Integrated, self canceling - 333 (1.3%)
Signals: Integrated, manual canceling - 176 (0.7%)
Signals: On stalks, self canceling - 66 (0.3%)
Signals: On stalks, manual canceling - 42 (0.2%)
Cruise control:  Standard - 236 (0.9%)
Cruise control:  optional - 336 (1.3%)
Linked brakes:  Yes - 187 (0.7%)
Linked brakes:  No - 401 (1.6%)
Lights: HID - 471 (1.8%)
Lights: Standard - 121 (0.5%)
Tail light: LED - 507 (2%)
Tail light: Standard - 72 (0.3%)
Glove box: Yes - 376 (1.5%)
Glove box: No - 166 (0.7%)
Underseat helmet hooks: Yes - 392 (1.5%)
Underseat helmet hooks: No - 151 (0.6%)
Front brakes: Standard - 203 (0.8%)
Front brakes: Radial mount - 355 (1.4%)
Front fork: Standard - 164 (0.6%)
Front fork: USD Standard - 310 (1.2%)
Front fork: Single sided (like GTS) - 12 (0%)
Front fork: Paralever, duolever, Hossack, etc - 86 (0.3%)
Fueling: Fuel injection - 589 (2.3%)
Fueling: Old school carbs - 28 (0.1%)
Wheels: 17 inch - 527 (2.1%)
Wheels: Other (specify below) - 10 (0%)
Ignition: Manual key - 460 (1.8%)
Ignition: KPASS type (keyless) - 114 (0.4%)
Instrument controls:  Left side, dash mount - 194 (0.8%)
Instrument controls:  Right side, dash mount - 51 (0.2%)
Instrument controls:  Left side, bar mount - 198 (0.8%)
Instrument controls:  Right side, bar mount - 30 (0.1%)
Mirrors: Adjustable length, manual - 345 (1.4%)
Mirrors: Standard - 210 (0.8%)
Frame styling:  Aluminum - 232 (0.9%)
Frame styling:  Annodized aluminum (ie. black) - 207 (0.8%)
Frame styling: Trellis type - 102 (0.4%)
Overall styling:  Angular, aggressive - 115 (0.5%)
Overall styling:  Angular, conservative - 104 (0.4%)
Overall styling:  Smooth, aggressive - 269 (1.1%)
Overall styling:  Smooth, conservative - 97 (0.4%)
Fairing: Forms of adjustable ducting - 263 (1%)
Fairing: Engine mostly sealed - 91 (0.4%)
Fairing: Traditional type ducting - 180 (0.7%)
Exhaust: Single side - 184 (0.7%)
Exhaust: Dual - 258 (1%)
Exhaust: Underseat - 155 (0.6%)
Cat: Between header and can - 204 (0.8%)
Cat: In can - 257 (1%)
Valve train: Variable for perf and/or mileage - 205 (0.8%)
Valve train: Standard overhead - 263 (1%)
Valve train: Desmo type - 41 (0.2%)
Valve adjust: ~10K miles - 25 (0.1%)
Valve adjust: ~20K miles - 192 (0.8%)
Valve adjust: ~30K miles - 319 (1.3%)
Valve adjust type: Screw - 137 (0.5%)
Valve adjust type: Shim over bucket - 70 (0.3%)
Valve adjust type: Shim under bucket - 62 (0.2%)
Valve adjust type: Hydraulic type - 241 (0.9%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $8000 - 66 (0.3%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $10000 - 116 (0.5%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $12000 - 213 (0.8%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $14000 - 137 (0.5%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $16000 - 73 (0.3%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $18000 - 17 (0.1%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $20000+ - 4 (0%)
Load capacity:  Specifically designed for solo STing - 192 (0.8%)
Load capacity:  Traditional 2 up touring - 299 (1.2%)
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« Reply #40 on: August 19, 2007, 03:56:28 pm »

Wot about the Rocket 3-limited to a mere 1400cc!! And there's a new super-rocket coming out....
I want a V8, too. That weighs nothing. And is free.
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« Reply #41 on: August 19, 2007, 08:47:42 pm »


I was surprised too.  Ideally I would want a curb weight of less than 500lbs.


You don't see a 400 lb or 450 lb weight option on the list because I'm a realist.  Based on many of the options people are picking is probably not possible to have a 400 lb weight bike with a bunch of bells and whistles, be dead reliable in all kind of conditions, and cost less than $12K.

The 500 lb minimum seemed reasonable to me.  Out of 98 votes I've only seen a few people bring it up.

For those of you who want that sort of weight you're going to have to settle for a seriously stripped down naked to supersport.  Shrug
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« Reply #42 on: August 19, 2007, 09:38:33 pm »

Some good points there skipper.  I've toured on a stripped down naked.  Now I have an ST3. Wink

Also, if I had to, I'd trade 50lbs for high reliability.  We are, afterall, talking about sport-touring here, not building the ideal play-toy.  So, in hind sight yes, I think your range of weight options was reasonable.  

But hey, I can still dream of a 400lbs fully farkled ST.  And, I may as well dream of a 300lbs KRL with a six speed while I'm at it!  Ok, now I know I've lost touch with reality.  Lol
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« Reply #43 on: August 20, 2007, 07:54:56 am »

Liter-class sportbikes weigh about 450 wet these days. Add a beefier subframe and an extra gallon of fuel and you'd be pushing 475 maybe? With empty hard luggage maybe 500. My Wee Strom (470 wet) feels like a big blue pig compared to the 636 (420 wet).

Several bike comes close to what I want, but no one has put that magic combination together (yet). A Multistrada with 20 more HP, a decent looking fairing and 12K valve adjustments would be close. A Ulysses with the new 1125 engine would be close. A Tiger with a new rear end (lose the fugly seat, add undertail exhaust, fully functional luggage) would be close.

Flat 75+ ft-lb torque curve with 10K redline. 50 MPG. 500 pounds wet with empty hard luggage attached. 6.5+ inches suspension travel. Upright ergos. Triple disc brakes with ABS. Mostly naked with small, effective windscreen. Rips in the twisties like a sportbike. Comfy enough for all day. Able to handle bumpy, beat up pavement and decent dirt/gravel roads. 250 mile range (to empty). Low maintenance. Comfy enough for pillion for short day rides. $12K MSRP with luggage included.
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« Reply #44 on: August 29, 2007, 06:10:48 pm »

Bizzump.  Made you look.   Lol  Surely there are more than 134 members that want to weigh in on this.*






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« Reply #45 on: September 11, 2007, 01:30:02 pm »

Summary so far:


ENGINE
It's clear that many people are enamored with the 1000cc V4 configuration.  High mileage valve train maintanence is also popular...as is the option of Hydraulic valves.

Engine Configuration:  V4
Displacement:  1000cc
Fueling:  Fuel Injection
Valve Train:  Standard Overhead.
Valve Adjust (if needed):  ~30,000 miles
Valve Adjust Type:  Hydraulic
Gears:  6
Engine Cooling:  Liquid

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CHASSIS / ELECTRICAL
Voters want to have their cake and eat it too.  They want a slew of options and accessories and they want it relatively light.  Bright and clear HID and LED lights are popular for safety and "coolness."  Fully adjustable suspension is expected in this day and age of high tech motorcycling.

Weight:  ~500 lbs
Final Drive:  Shaft
Gas Tank:  Metal
Fuel Capacity:  ~6.0 gallons
Suspension:  Manual, full adjust
Front Brakes:  Radial Mount
ABS:  Optional
Linked Brakes:  No
Front Fork:  Upside Down, Standard
Swingarm:  Single Sided or Standard ... dead heat
Wheels:  17 inch
Generator Output:  700W or 600W ... another dead heat
Signals:  Integrated self cancelling, with integrated manual cancelling close behind.  Clearly stalks are out.
Lights:  HID
Tail Lights:  LED
Exhaust:  Dual
Cat Location:  In Can or Before Can ... another split.
Load Capacity:  Designed for Solo STing or 2UP STing ... a wash.  Interesting to see a lot of riders not interested in any passenger accomodatoins of an kind (raises hand).

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STYLING
Aggressive styling with integrated turn signals is where it's at.  And buyers have spoken:  More than ONE color "choice"!!

Color Options:  More Than 1 ... but some people do not want the ability to choose.  Mmkay.
Frame Styling:  Aluminum or Anodized Aluminum ... split.
Overall Styling:  Smooth, Aggressive.  Conservative styling of either kind was not popular.
Fairing:  Some Form of Adjustable Ducting
Mirrors:  Length Manually Adjustable

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ACCESSORIES
Removable hardbags and factory power outlets are no brainer to voters, but people would like the choice to have many other factory installed options to choose from.  Right side dash controls are not popular, but this is usually what most bikes give us today.  And for some reason half the voters don't want a couple hooks under their seat for helmets. Headscratch

Windscreen:  Standard, Motorized
Heated Accessories:  Optional, with Grips only a close second
Hardbags:  Standard, Removable
GPS:  Optional
Ergos:  Manual adjustable (seat, bars, pegs)
Power Outlets:  2 standard
Instruments:  Mostly Analog or Mostly Digital ... a split
Cruise Control:  Optional
Glove Box:  Yes
Underseat Helmet Hooks:  Yes, by a narrow margin.  This one baffles me.
Ignition:  Standard Key.  Clearly people aren't impressed with a keyless ignition on the bikes...yet.
Instrument Controls:  Left Side, Bar Mount.  People do not like right side instruments of any kind according to the poll.

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PRICE
It's probably not realistic to expect all the choices and options above to come in at $12,000, but this is what the vote says.

Ideal Price Point for Options You Picked:  $12,000

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Clearly some people can't read instructions as some categories had more votes than people who took the poll.  Meaning some tools voted for two (or more) options in one category.  Also, some people did not vote in every category.
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« Reply #46 on: September 11, 2007, 03:07:29 pm »

All reeeeeeeeeeeeeet... the hills will be alive with V4 moozic...
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« Reply #47 on: September 11, 2007, 03:35:19 pm »

Skip, can you see a summary of what one person voted?  
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« Reply #48 on: September 11, 2007, 03:39:39 pm »

No.  Probably digging in to the database might show, but I'm n00bish to such things and don't want that much detail.
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« Reply #49 on: September 11, 2007, 03:45:58 pm »

I was just curious if you could see (for example) who voted for a 1400cc bike with every available option, and still thinks it should be under 500 pounds.   Lol  Rolleyes
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« Reply #50 on: September 11, 2007, 03:48:01 pm »

and cost $10K Bigsmile
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« Reply #51 on: September 11, 2007, 03:49:53 pm »

Hey I like building my own bike. Engine config. inline 6 from the Suzuki prototype last year, the inline 6 is supposed to the smoothest engine configuration. I want to also keep the weight low, I am not getting any younger and the back isn't what it used to be. I would rather have infinite choices on manual suspension than only 3 on electronic as if we all weigh the same... Gotta have color choices, I don't need my ride looking the same as someone elses. Big Gas tank, single sided swing arm for easy tire removal, belt drive for ease of maintanence, paralever front suspension which is excellent once you get used to it and learn to trust it. Underseat exaust to make room for the saddle bags or shorty's on either side like the GSZ-R 750, trellis frame because I like the look and I don't want to cover it completely with a fairing, electric adjustable windshield because once you have had it you will always want it if it works as well as the BMW RT's do. 1400cc engine with gobs of torque for two up loaded, no key start becuse it's cool. I have more but need to run.
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« Reply #52 on: September 11, 2007, 08:19:29 pm »


I was just curious if you could see (for example) who voted for a 1400cc bike with every available option, and still thinks it should be under 500 pounds.   Lol  Rolleyes



To design means aim, conception, innovation, intent, invention, pattern, plan, project,

So to design a bike you blueprint for 500 pounds but by the time it hits the road it's 600 pounds... that
means you don't start with 600 pounds because it will grow to 700 pounds by the time it hits the road...
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Yes, I have a terminal case of small bike disease.  Sad that most of the smaller bikes are 80s leftovers, but at least they're dependable, more so than some of the current stuff.


Nothing wrong with small bike disease. I'd still ride small bikes if I could sit on them comfortably. Once I really know how to work on it and am competent at side-of-the-road repairs and I've sourced a fairing that works with the lines of the bike my Guzzi is going to be perfect for me as a sport-tourer. Shrug
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« Reply #54 on: September 12, 2007, 07:43:08 pm »

Mine would be something very close to the Ducati ST3, but I'd like it with the DS1100 air cooled engine, belt drive and screw-type valve adjusters. I'd also like an S-option for better brakes and suspension, and I'd pay $14K for that. (No reason on earth why it couldn't be well under 500 pounds.)

I'd also much prefer a bike designed for solo ST.
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« Reply #55 on: September 16, 2007, 01:50:13 am »


The poll to end all polls. Lol

No kidding.

I think I built a VFR-1000-ST...thing. 500lbs (duh Smile )  $14,000.

Basically, if you take a ST1300, shave it down 230lbs (sans options), and give it BMW-style weight carrying, I'd buy it for about $14,000. My R1100S is 500 wet - and has a 460lb-ish load capacity on top of that.
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« Reply #56 on: September 16, 2007, 11:24:35 pm »


Mine would be something very close to the Ducati ST3, but I'd like it with the DS1100 air cooled engine, belt drive and screw-type valve adjusters. I'd also like an S-option for better brakes and suspension, and I'd pay $14K for that. (No reason on earth why it couldn't be well under 500 pounds.)

I'd also much prefer a bike designed for solo ST.


Just curious, why the preference for air cooled?  Having an ST3 it often hits over 102DegC in traffic if I go through a city.  At those moments I'm glad that it's water cooled with a fan in front of the radiator.

Lots of really good things I like about it, just a few that I'd change.
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« Reply #57 on: September 16, 2007, 11:31:03 pm »

I'm not sure about bhd's reasoning, but my reason is water cooled is heavier, with more parts to break.
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« Reply #58 on: September 16, 2007, 11:40:59 pm »

Good point.  In order to not bog down and hijack this thread, I'll start a new poll on water vs. air cooling.

Good poll skipper!  Some neat options, and good to see peoples thoughts and reasons.  Keep them coming.
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Just curious, why the preference for air cooled?  Having an ST3 it often hits over 102DegC in traffic if I go through a city.  At those moments I'm glad that it's water cooled with a fan in front of the radiator.

Lots of really good things I like about it, just a few that I'd change.



Mostly for simplicity and appearance. I've always been a big fan of the bikini fairings and they look really good with a trellis frame and an air cooled 90 degree Vee below. I'm becoming more of a minimalist as I get older, so I'd take a 90hp air cooled bike that weighed on the very low side of 400 pounds dry over a 150hp bike pulling around close to 600 lbs. This is why I've become such a huge fan of belt drives, too. (Any help getting "Simplify and add lightness" onto a license plate?)

About cooling: You do have to be a little more concerned with rear cylinder temperature on an air cooled vee, but its easy to avoid problems if you make the rear cylinder run just a little richer.

The advantage of liquid cooling has a lot more to do with the temperatures inside the engine than the cooling air outside. Liquid cooling has the potential for a huge performance increase because you can greatly reduce the temperature at critical points inside the combustion chamber. Eliminate those detonation sources and you can bump compression a full point or more and design the head with narrower bridges between the valves, which can improve flow efficiency.

Liquid cooling wicks heat away from the combustion chamber better than air, but in the scenario you describe there isn't much of an advantage to liquid cooling. At low speeds you're pumping coolant through your engine that is at least 80% hotter than the atmospheric air moving over the cooling fins.

Both an air cooled bike and a liquid cooled bike will be fine even in a place like Phoenix in July (speaking from experience) as long as you don't do something stupid like repeatedly racing the engine while you're only moving at three mph. Do that and you can overload the cooling ability of any engine, liquid or air.

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