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Question: Pick one from each option category
Engine config: I4 - 183 (0.7%)
Engine config: I3 - 79 (0.3%)
Engine config: I2 - 11 (0%)
Engine config: V2 or opposed twin - 125 (0.5%)
Engine config: V4 - 240 (0.9%)
Engine config: specify below - 5 (0%)
Displacement:  ~750cc - 79 (0.3%)
Displacement:  ~1000cc - 252 (1%)
Displacement:  ~1200cc - 226 (0.9%)
Displacement:  ~1400cc - 95 (0.4%)
Wet weight:  ~500 lbs - 289 (1.1%)
Wet weight:  ~550 lbs - 233 (0.9%)
Wet weight:  ~600 lbs - 82 (0.3%)
Wet weight:  ~650 lbs - 25 (0.1%)
Final drive: chain - 125 (0.5%)
Final drive: shaft - 376 (1.5%)
Final drive: belt - 140 (0.5%)
Fuel: ~5.0 gal - 94 (0.4%)
Fuel: ~6.0 gal - 338 (1.3%)
Fuel: ~7.0 gal - 209 (0.8%)
Ergos: Manual adjust (seat, bars, pegs) - 508 (2%)
Ergos: Static - 83 (0.3%)
Heated: Grips - 205 (0.8%)
Heated: Grips & seat - 175 (0.7%)
Heated: Optional - 203 (0.8%)
ABS: Standard - 234 (0.9%)
ABS: Optional - 360 (1.4%)
Windscreen: Motorized - 325 (1.3%)
Windscreen: Manual step adjust - 192 (0.8%)
Windscreen: Static - 101 (0.4%)
Windscreen: Naked! - 13 (0.1%)
Swingarm: Standard - 267 (1%)
Swingarm: Single sided - 311 (1.2%)
Hardbags: Standard integrated - 35 (0.1%)
Hardbags: Standard removable - 474 (1.9%)
Hardbags: Optional - 115 (0.5%)
GPS: Integrated - 121 (0.5%)
GPS: Optional - 403 (1.6%)
Suspension: ESA type - 92 (0.4%)
Suspension: Fully adjustable, manual - 443 (1.7%)
Suspension: Semi-adjustable - 74 (0.3%)
Power outlets: 1 standard - 133 (0.5%)
Power outlets: 2 standard - 317 (1.2%)
Power outlets: 3 standard - 98 (0.4%)
Power outlets: optional - 70 (0.3%)
Instruments:  Mostly analog (like the current Busa) - 329 (1.3%)
Instruments:  Mostly digital with full computer - 282 (1.1%)
Engine cooling:  Liquid - 568 (2.2%)
Engine cooling:  Air/oil - 62 (0.2%)
Color options: 1 - 34 (0.1%)
Color options: More than 1 - 531 (2.1%)
Gas tank:  metal - 473 (1.9%)
Gas tank:  plastic - 105 (0.4%)
Generator output:  ~500W - 44 (0.2%)
Generator output:  ~600W - 245 (1%)
Generator output:  ~700W - 295 (1.2%)
Gears: 5 - 36 (0.1%)
Gears: 6 - 593 (2.3%)
Signals: Integrated, self canceling - 333 (1.3%)
Signals: Integrated, manual canceling - 176 (0.7%)
Signals: On stalks, self canceling - 66 (0.3%)
Signals: On stalks, manual canceling - 42 (0.2%)
Cruise control:  Standard - 236 (0.9%)
Cruise control:  optional - 336 (1.3%)
Linked brakes:  Yes - 187 (0.7%)
Linked brakes:  No - 401 (1.6%)
Lights: HID - 471 (1.8%)
Lights: Standard - 121 (0.5%)
Tail light: LED - 507 (2%)
Tail light: Standard - 72 (0.3%)
Glove box: Yes - 376 (1.5%)
Glove box: No - 166 (0.7%)
Underseat helmet hooks: Yes - 392 (1.5%)
Underseat helmet hooks: No - 151 (0.6%)
Front brakes: Standard - 203 (0.8%)
Front brakes: Radial mount - 355 (1.4%)
Front fork: Standard - 164 (0.6%)
Front fork: USD Standard - 310 (1.2%)
Front fork: Single sided (like GTS) - 12 (0%)
Front fork: Paralever, duolever, Hossack, etc - 86 (0.3%)
Fueling: Fuel injection - 589 (2.3%)
Fueling: Old school carbs - 28 (0.1%)
Wheels: 17 inch - 527 (2.1%)
Wheels: Other (specify below) - 10 (0%)
Ignition: Manual key - 460 (1.8%)
Ignition: KPASS type (keyless) - 114 (0.4%)
Instrument controls:  Left side, dash mount - 194 (0.8%)
Instrument controls:  Right side, dash mount - 51 (0.2%)
Instrument controls:  Left side, bar mount - 198 (0.8%)
Instrument controls:  Right side, bar mount - 30 (0.1%)
Mirrors: Adjustable length, manual - 345 (1.4%)
Mirrors: Standard - 210 (0.8%)
Frame styling:  Aluminum - 232 (0.9%)
Frame styling:  Annodized aluminum (ie. black) - 207 (0.8%)
Frame styling: Trellis type - 102 (0.4%)
Overall styling:  Angular, aggressive - 115 (0.5%)
Overall styling:  Angular, conservative - 104 (0.4%)
Overall styling:  Smooth, aggressive - 269 (1.1%)
Overall styling:  Smooth, conservative - 97 (0.4%)
Fairing: Forms of adjustable ducting - 263 (1%)
Fairing: Engine mostly sealed - 91 (0.4%)
Fairing: Traditional type ducting - 180 (0.7%)
Exhaust: Single side - 184 (0.7%)
Exhaust: Dual - 258 (1%)
Exhaust: Underseat - 155 (0.6%)
Cat: Between header and can - 204 (0.8%)
Cat: In can - 257 (1%)
Valve train: Variable for perf and/or mileage - 205 (0.8%)
Valve train: Standard overhead - 263 (1%)
Valve train: Desmo type - 41 (0.2%)
Valve adjust: ~10K miles - 25 (0.1%)
Valve adjust: ~20K miles - 192 (0.8%)
Valve adjust: ~30K miles - 319 (1.3%)
Valve adjust type: Screw - 137 (0.5%)
Valve adjust type: Shim over bucket - 70 (0.3%)
Valve adjust type: Shim under bucket - 62 (0.2%)
Valve adjust type: Hydraulic type - 241 (0.9%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $8000 - 66 (0.3%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $10000 - 116 (0.5%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $12000 - 213 (0.8%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $14000 - 137 (0.5%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $16000 - 73 (0.3%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $18000 - 17 (0.1%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $20000+ - 4 (0%)
Load capacity:  Specifically designed for solo STing - 192 (0.8%)
Load capacity:  Traditional 2 up touring - 299 (1.2%)
This poll sucks - 0 (0%)
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« Reply #60 on: September 19, 2007, 07:14:54 pm »

This thread demonstrates why there will never be a perfect sport touring motorcycle. What the people want is perfectly unreasonable, maybe impossible. They want a bike that is loaded with contradictory options, zero maintinence, high performance, low weight, and sold at a loss.
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« Reply #61 on: September 19, 2007, 09:05:02 pm »

I'm sure there would be a market for an adjustable seat height that goes DOWN as well as upwards.  Many women, and shorter men are steered towards cruisers for this very reason.  
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« Reply #62 on: September 20, 2007, 12:40:57 am »

The poll to start all trolls??  Twofinger

That was fun ...
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« Reply #63 on: October 22, 2007, 07:21:57 pm »

This needs another bump.  I know there are a bunch who haven't taken the poll. Bigok
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« Reply #64 on: October 23, 2007, 08:44:24 pm »

It's a good poll.  It definitely takes some time and thought.  Having had more time on the Ducati to compare with the I4 Z, I think I'll have to go back and change my answers.  
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« Reply #65 on: October 25, 2007, 06:19:22 am »

This is a great poll - I just hope some industry insiders are READING IT  Crazy

I don't want a bike over #500 WET, ABS, VVT, V-TECH, linked brakes, fancy gizmo's that add to the weight & cost of the bike. Give me a light weight bike with simple valve train, long adjustments, plenty power, sportbike class suspension and brakes with removable hard luggage and long distance between the fuel stops.

I love my ST1100 for a long-distance sport-tourer - if you are covering several states for several days either on the slab or in the twisties you just can't beat it. However, the wooden brakes, soft suspension and excessive mass wear you down over time and don't lend to local sport-touring or get out and ride a few hours type of riding.

I love my FZ1 for it's light weight (compared to the ST), plenty power, fully adjustable suspension and great brakes. If there was only some way of combining the two bikes into one............
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« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2007, 04:23:07 pm »

hadn't looked at this poll in a long far -- I hope industry insiders are NOT looking at it -- sheesh, they'd look at the results, throw up their hands and say, "no WAY we can sell more than 20 of anything to these people!"

interesting, the lack of variation in the percentages of the answers -- high of 2.2%, low of 0.2%

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« Reply #67 on: October 26, 2007, 04:30:02 pm »


hadn't looked at this poll in a long far -- I hope industry insiders are NOT looking at it -- sheesh, they'd look at the results, throw up their hands and say, "no WAY we can sell more than 20 of anything to these people!"

interesting, the lack of variation in the percentages of the answers -- high of 2.2%, low of 0.2%

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You have to look at the answers for a specific option.  220 people want FI, 10 want carbs!
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« Reply #68 on: October 26, 2007, 04:36:41 pm »

I picked that I want carbs, just because I can actually work on and repair them.  FI, take it to the dealer so they can replace some major component.  Yes, FI is more efficient and doesn't require fiddling with to make them work right, but that's my reasoning.
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« Reply #69 on: October 26, 2007, 04:43:42 pm »


I picked that I want carbs, just because I can actually work on and repair them.  FI, take it to the dealer so they can replace some major component.  Yes, FI is more efficient and doesn't require fiddling with to make them work right, but that's my reasoning.

It's nice to be able to rejet instead of getting a PC and having it programmed, but at the same time I think that starting on the first try no matter how freaking cold it is can be really nice and worth it. Smile
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« Reply #70 on: March 16, 2008, 05:12:01 pm »

I see that the "ideal" ST.n bike ia a V-4 with a SSSA, 1000cc's.


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« Reply #71 on: March 16, 2008, 09:05:15 pm »


I see that the "ideal" ST.n bike ia a V-4 with a SSSA, 1000cc's.


Wow... V4s... didn't see that coming...
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« Reply #72 on: March 18, 2008, 06:21:05 pm »

I want Goldwing-like chest and head protection for highway and air conditioning for hot humid days  Lol
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« Reply #73 on: March 23, 2008, 08:48:21 pm »

Looks like most of my choices were the most popular.  Thumbsup

Very cool poll!
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« Reply #74 on: June 07, 2008, 01:22:01 am »

Please include a comfortable saddle, lower c.g., and lower ride height (those of us that are inseam challenged have a very hard time with top heavy, tall bikes), I have a current C-14 and love it except for the aforementioned problems.  I ride twisties and the super slab as well, and I go far too fast, so I could use a built in Radar Jammer!
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« Reply #75 on: June 24, 2008, 05:09:10 pm »

Great idea Skipper - I think I designed a VFR 1200, with lots of ergo adjustability, fuel range, and relatively simple mechanics.

I'll take mine in Black by the way. And can I have a few "farkle" tie in points pre engineered in the wiring harness for my radar, nav, and music system?

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« Reply #76 on: June 24, 2008, 05:41:33 pm »

Like a few others, I basically designed a Honda Deauville.  Bigsmile

If I'm a marketing guy though, I'm thinking that to sell it in the States, it would have to be re-badged as an ST700, always parked next to ST1300's, and marketed heavily to women.

I'm not saying its right, or even fair, but that's probably the only shot it would have of selling here....sadly.

The BMW F800ST also comes pretty close for me. I just hate overpaying for a badge/logo, and that thing seems to be having some serious teething problems for the money they're asking.

Not being an Aprilia guy, I only recently discovered the 850 Mana. Also not perfect with its chain drive and lack of fairing, but at least its in the ballpark.
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« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2008, 10:12:28 am »

I would be all giddy if I could put a ZZR 1200 motor in a BMW- R bike Thumbsup
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« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2008, 10:29:02 am »

You listed a lot of catagories. It's a little difficult to interpret the results.


You missed color. One of the reasdons that the Connie-14 is unacceptable to me is because of the bland, non-sporting Neutron Silver color that it is limited to.
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« Reply #79 on: June 26, 2008, 01:01:57 pm »


You listed a lot of catagories. It's a little difficult to interpret the results.


You missed color. One of the reasdons that the Connie-14 is unacceptable to me is because of the bland, non-sporting Neutron Silver color that it is limited to.

That's easy to fix.  Bigok
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