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Question: Pick one from each option category
Engine config: I4 - 183 (0.7%)
Engine config: I3 - 79 (0.3%)
Engine config: I2 - 11 (0%)
Engine config: V2 or opposed twin - 125 (0.5%)
Engine config: V4 - 240 (0.9%)
Engine config: specify below - 5 (0%)
Displacement:  ~750cc - 79 (0.3%)
Displacement:  ~1000cc - 252 (1%)
Displacement:  ~1200cc - 226 (0.9%)
Displacement:  ~1400cc - 95 (0.4%)
Wet weight:  ~500 lbs - 289 (1.1%)
Wet weight:  ~550 lbs - 233 (0.9%)
Wet weight:  ~600 lbs - 82 (0.3%)
Wet weight:  ~650 lbs - 25 (0.1%)
Final drive: chain - 125 (0.5%)
Final drive: shaft - 376 (1.5%)
Final drive: belt - 140 (0.5%)
Fuel: ~5.0 gal - 94 (0.4%)
Fuel: ~6.0 gal - 338 (1.3%)
Fuel: ~7.0 gal - 209 (0.8%)
Ergos: Manual adjust (seat, bars, pegs) - 508 (2%)
Ergos: Static - 83 (0.3%)
Heated: Grips - 205 (0.8%)
Heated: Grips & seat - 175 (0.7%)
Heated: Optional - 203 (0.8%)
ABS: Standard - 234 (0.9%)
ABS: Optional - 360 (1.4%)
Windscreen: Motorized - 325 (1.3%)
Windscreen: Manual step adjust - 192 (0.8%)
Windscreen: Static - 101 (0.4%)
Windscreen: Naked! - 13 (0.1%)
Swingarm: Standard - 267 (1%)
Swingarm: Single sided - 311 (1.2%)
Hardbags: Standard integrated - 35 (0.1%)
Hardbags: Standard removable - 474 (1.9%)
Hardbags: Optional - 115 (0.5%)
GPS: Integrated - 121 (0.5%)
GPS: Optional - 403 (1.6%)
Suspension: ESA type - 92 (0.4%)
Suspension: Fully adjustable, manual - 443 (1.7%)
Suspension: Semi-adjustable - 74 (0.3%)
Power outlets: 1 standard - 133 (0.5%)
Power outlets: 2 standard - 317 (1.2%)
Power outlets: 3 standard - 98 (0.4%)
Power outlets: optional - 70 (0.3%)
Instruments:  Mostly analog (like the current Busa) - 329 (1.3%)
Instruments:  Mostly digital with full computer - 282 (1.1%)
Engine cooling:  Liquid - 568 (2.2%)
Engine cooling:  Air/oil - 62 (0.2%)
Color options: 1 - 34 (0.1%)
Color options: More than 1 - 531 (2.1%)
Gas tank:  metal - 473 (1.9%)
Gas tank:  plastic - 105 (0.4%)
Generator output:  ~500W - 44 (0.2%)
Generator output:  ~600W - 245 (1%)
Generator output:  ~700W - 295 (1.2%)
Gears: 5 - 36 (0.1%)
Gears: 6 - 593 (2.3%)
Signals: Integrated, self canceling - 333 (1.3%)
Signals: Integrated, manual canceling - 176 (0.7%)
Signals: On stalks, self canceling - 66 (0.3%)
Signals: On stalks, manual canceling - 42 (0.2%)
Cruise control:  Standard - 236 (0.9%)
Cruise control:  optional - 336 (1.3%)
Linked brakes:  Yes - 187 (0.7%)
Linked brakes:  No - 401 (1.6%)
Lights: HID - 471 (1.8%)
Lights: Standard - 121 (0.5%)
Tail light: LED - 507 (2%)
Tail light: Standard - 72 (0.3%)
Glove box: Yes - 376 (1.5%)
Glove box: No - 166 (0.7%)
Underseat helmet hooks: Yes - 392 (1.5%)
Underseat helmet hooks: No - 151 (0.6%)
Front brakes: Standard - 203 (0.8%)
Front brakes: Radial mount - 355 (1.4%)
Front fork: Standard - 164 (0.6%)
Front fork: USD Standard - 310 (1.2%)
Front fork: Single sided (like GTS) - 12 (0%)
Front fork: Paralever, duolever, Hossack, etc - 86 (0.3%)
Fueling: Fuel injection - 589 (2.3%)
Fueling: Old school carbs - 28 (0.1%)
Wheels: 17 inch - 527 (2.1%)
Wheels: Other (specify below) - 10 (0%)
Ignition: Manual key - 460 (1.8%)
Ignition: KPASS type (keyless) - 114 (0.4%)
Instrument controls:  Left side, dash mount - 194 (0.8%)
Instrument controls:  Right side, dash mount - 51 (0.2%)
Instrument controls:  Left side, bar mount - 198 (0.8%)
Instrument controls:  Right side, bar mount - 30 (0.1%)
Mirrors: Adjustable length, manual - 345 (1.4%)
Mirrors: Standard - 210 (0.8%)
Frame styling:  Aluminum - 232 (0.9%)
Frame styling:  Annodized aluminum (ie. black) - 207 (0.8%)
Frame styling: Trellis type - 102 (0.4%)
Overall styling:  Angular, aggressive - 115 (0.5%)
Overall styling:  Angular, conservative - 104 (0.4%)
Overall styling:  Smooth, aggressive - 269 (1.1%)
Overall styling:  Smooth, conservative - 97 (0.4%)
Fairing: Forms of adjustable ducting - 263 (1%)
Fairing: Engine mostly sealed - 91 (0.4%)
Fairing: Traditional type ducting - 180 (0.7%)
Exhaust: Single side - 184 (0.7%)
Exhaust: Dual - 258 (1%)
Exhaust: Underseat - 155 (0.6%)
Cat: Between header and can - 204 (0.8%)
Cat: In can - 257 (1%)
Valve train: Variable for perf and/or mileage - 205 (0.8%)
Valve train: Standard overhead - 263 (1%)
Valve train: Desmo type - 41 (0.2%)
Valve adjust: ~10K miles - 25 (0.1%)
Valve adjust: ~20K miles - 192 (0.8%)
Valve adjust: ~30K miles - 319 (1.3%)
Valve adjust type: Screw - 137 (0.5%)
Valve adjust type: Shim over bucket - 70 (0.3%)
Valve adjust type: Shim under bucket - 62 (0.2%)
Valve adjust type: Hydraulic type - 241 (0.9%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $8000 - 66 (0.3%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $10000 - 116 (0.5%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $12000 - 213 (0.8%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $14000 - 137 (0.5%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $16000 - 73 (0.3%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $18000 - 17 (0.1%)
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $20000+ - 4 (0%)
Load capacity:  Specifically designed for solo STing - 192 (0.8%)
Load capacity:  Traditional 2 up touring - 299 (1.2%)
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« Reply #80 on: June 30, 2008, 03:25:24 pm »

After I picked all my options I assume the bike would run about 1.5 million dollars..... heck, I'll just stick with the XX a bit longer....
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« Reply #81 on: September 30, 2008, 09:04:45 pm »

What I described is a slightly larger 650R.  About 750-1000cc, better tuning, better suspension, better brakes, same looks.  Maybe add an extra two cylinders in a V4, and maybe underseat instead of underengine.  Analog gauges, with no silly frufru stuff or gigantic windscreen.  I'll keep my standard swingarm, steel frame, chain, and shim/bucket valves to keep price down.  I think $10k would be a good price point.

Lots of options on your list I simply don't want.  ABS- NO; cruise control- NO; hardbags- NO; center stand- NO, heated/adjustable/GPS/electronic suspension- HELL NO!  Fuel range doesn't matter- as long as it's not a pathetic 100-ish miles.

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« Reply #82 on: October 12, 2008, 03:32:22 am »


You listed a lot of catagories. It's a little difficult to interpret the results.


You missed color. One of the reasdons that the Connie-14 is unacceptable to me is because of the bland, non-sporting Neutron Silver color that it is limited to.


Color options: 1    21 votes
Color options: More than 1    403 votes



Current results:

Engine config: V4
Displacement:  ~1000cc
Wet weight:  ~500 lbs
Final drive: shaft
Fuel: ~6.0 gal
Ergos: Manual adjust (seat, bars, pegs)
Heated: Optional  (won by 1 vote over heated grips standard)
ABS: Optional
Windscreen: Motorized
Swingarm: Single sided
Hardbags: Standard removable
GPS: Optional
Suspension: Fully adjustable, manual  (ESA type failed miserably, kind of a surprise)
Power outlets: 2 standard
Instruments:  Mostly analog (like the current Busa)
Engine cooling:  Liquid
Color options: More than 1
Gas tank:  metal
Generator output:  ~700W
Gears: 6
Signals: Integrated into bodywork/mirrors, self canceling
Cruise control:  optional
Linked brakes:  No
Lights: HID
Tail light: LED
Glove box: Yes
Underseat helmet hooks: Yes
Front brakes: Radial mount
Front fork: USD Standard
Fueling: Fuel injection
Wheels: 17 inch
Ignition: Manual key  (keyless ignition failed miserably)
Instrument controls:  Left side, dash mount  (surprisingly bar mount instrument controls is behind by 2.  At least left side is winning)
Mirrors: Adjustable length, manual
Frame styling:  Aluminum
Overall styling:  Smooth, aggressive
Fairing: Forms of adjustable ducting
Exhaust: Underseat and Single Side   (currently a dead heat)
Cat: In can
Valve train: Standard overhead   (surprisingly VVT is losing)
Valve adjust: ~30K miles
Valve adjust type: Hydraulic type
Ideal price point for options you picked:  $12000
Load capacity:  Traditional 2 up touring

A few contradictions jump out at me.  The main ones being:  500 lbs wet with all the options people still want, including a rear subframe designed for 2 up touring isn't going to happen.  $12K is probably low with such things as HID headlights, LED tail lights, and tooling a bike that has a large option list (bags, heated grips, heated seat, GPS, ABS).

From scanning the list here's what I see:  ST.N members want a 1000cc VFR with most of the options/features that BMWs (K1200S) have...and they basicaly want it for free. Lol Lol
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« Reply #83 on: October 12, 2008, 08:13:46 am »


Color options: 1    21 votes
Color options: More than 1    403 votes


Probably should have had a Solid color vs. BNG category.
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« Reply #84 on: February 06, 2009, 01:08:20 pm »

Bump for new/lazy members.
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« Reply #85 on: February 06, 2009, 08:41:40 pm »

Thanks for the bump.  I hadn't stumbled upon this one yet.  After reviewing the results I found out I'm fairly normal and want everything just like everyone else. Smile



A few contradictions jump out at me.  The main ones being:  500 lbs wet with all the options people still want, including a rear subframe designed for 2 up touring isn't going to happen.  $12K is probably low with such things as HID headlights, LED tail lights, and tooling a bike that has a large option list (bags, heated grips, heated seat, GPS, ABS).



I think your being a pessimist.  With all the demand we have here for a perfect bike I'm sure someone will build one for us at a reasonable price.  I would expect the release date to be around 2030 and of course then we'll want one that doesn't use gas and hoovers.
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« Reply #86 on: February 08, 2009, 01:30:34 pm »


we'll want one that doesn't use gas and hoovers.


No street cleaning attachments for mine, thanks  Lol
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« Reply #87 on: October 28, 2010, 04:11:19 am »

The results so far...

A liquid-cooled, 1200cc V four with a shaft drive and removable hard bags...

sounds like...  Headscratch

A Honda VFR1200??  EEK!

 OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG

Are there any other current offerings come any closer?
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« Reply #88 on: October 29, 2010, 08:40:18 am »


The results so far...

A liquid-cooled, 1200cc V four with a shaft drive and removable hard bags...

sounds like...  Headscratch

A Honda VFR1200??  EEK!

 OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG

Are there any other current offerings come any closer?


Typical STNers, all talk, no action. Want proof? We have one, count 'em one VFR1200 owner and he just fessed up.
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« Reply #89 on: October 29, 2010, 09:18:22 am »


The results so far...

A liquid-cooled, 1200cc V four with a shaft drive and removable hard bags...

sounds like...  Headscratch

A Honda VFR1200??  EEK!

 OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG

Are there any other current offerings come any closer?



Sure but Honda missed the completely unrealistic but desired price point. I might have missed it in the poll but where was the "makes it look like a baboon's ass" option?
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« Reply #90 on: October 30, 2010, 09:06:01 am »

Can't believe I have not seen this poll prior to today. Headscratch

Well I also have some different thoughts then most of the group it appears also. Twofinger
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« Reply #91 on: February 19, 2011, 04:42:04 am »

Poll needs fresh votes  Bigsmile
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« Reply #92 on: February 19, 2011, 08:58:44 pm »

OK so 500 LBS may/is a bit portly but I bet she can handle herself in a heavy cross wind.

Remember this is not a SPORT touring, or a sport Touring, something more like a sport-touring. A bit of each, not toooo much or either something down the middle

Say something like ........................... (as long as it is not made by honda)
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« Reply #93 on: June 03, 2018, 02:51:07 pm »

This poll is 11 years old...and still stickied.  Lol

Forgot all about it.
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« Reply #94 on: June 03, 2018, 11:15:33 pm »

 Other than  having an extra100cc displacement, plastic tank and normal front forks, I mostly described an FJ-09.  
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« Reply #95 on: June 04, 2018, 03:12:27 pm »


This poll is 11 years old...and still stickied.  Lol

Forgot all about it.


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« Reply #96 on: June 04, 2018, 03:58:16 pm »

Goldwing

There it’s done

Best Sport Tourer ever
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« Reply #97 on: June 04, 2018, 11:05:01 pm »

Wrong answer. Zero Sport in the Goldwing. I've waited for enough of them over the years, and never found them sporty in any way (and yes, I own two older ones). If you had said ST1100/1300 you would have had a good  argument.
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