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« on: February 02, 2007, 02:42:33 pm »

Are there any differences between the '05 and '06 Speed Triple.  Any problems of note with either year?  Being lazy.  Big Brother is watching at work...  EEK!

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I just picked up a left over early '05.  It cranks for 3 seconds or so before firing.  I'd read about it so wasn't unprepared but an '06 I demo'd didn't display this.  Is the fix as simple as ECU software?
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2007, 03:21:01 pm »

I've got an 06.  As far as I know, the only difference was going to a smaller oil cooler sometime in the 06 model year.  Mine still has the larger one.  Apparently there was an issue with oil temperatures running too low but in south Texas I can dig the cooling capacity.
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2007, 09:18:14 pm »

I have an 06, but some have reported issues with the brakes on 05's.  I have not had a single issue with my bike.

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One of the few controversial things about the Speed Triple occurred with the 2005 1050 cc models. These new bikes were fitted with all new radial brake calipers by the Japanese company Nissin. Although the brakes performed excellently initially, after time it was found that many bikes evolved problems. After as little as a few days, or as much as a few weeks, the brake lever would develop increased travel, and what was described as "Mushiness". The characteristic was often compared to the feel of brakes with air trapped within its hydraulic system. The initial response from Triumph was that this was "normal", and was designed to be this way. Triumph called this characteristic "progressive feel" brakes.

Many riders refused to accept Triumph's explanation, and after much complaining several fixes were developed. The original, official Triumph fix, was the replacement of the piston seals inside the brake calipers. Very quickly this was found to be temporary at best, and enterprising riders and mechanics developed other temporary fixes for the problem. Bleeding the brakes was one temporary fix, as was a technique of compressing the caliper pistons and then pumping them back full of fluid. Many other things were tried, but all of them produced only temporary relief.

In 2006 with the release of the Daytona 675 (which had the same brakes) Triumph released a second official fix for the problem, still without admitting that there was a problem. This fix was the installation of specially coated brake caliper pistons. However, at the time of this writing some riders have reported success with this modification, and some riders have reported no change to the situation.
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2007, 10:58:29 pm »

Some have had a front brake issue with the lever going soft and excessive travel to the point of touching the grip. My 06 is flawless but if you have a problem Triumph just acknowledged the problem and will fix it!! So no worries
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« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2007, 12:41:29 am »

I just picked up a left over early '05.  It cranks for 3 seconds or so before firing.  I'd read about it so wasn't unprepared but an '06 I demo'd didn't display this.  Is the fix as simple as ECU software?
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« Reply #5 on: February 04, 2007, 12:55:43 am »


I just picked up a left over early '05.  It cranks for 3 seconds or so before firing.  I'd read about it so wasn't unprepared but an '06 I demo'd didn't display this.  Is the fix as simple as ECU software?


Mine has done the same since new, and I too concerned about it some for the first few weeks.  I don't worry about it anymore.

Last I read, the 07 had a redesign ECU that helped this, but I have yet to hear any new owners confirm it.  I also have not yet read of an upgrade for our bikes.  Dobieman?
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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2007, 01:15:00 am »

My '04 cranks for a few seconds before firing, too.  It's done it since it was brand new.  It never fails to fire, so I haven't been worried about it.  
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Mine has done the same since new, and I too concerned about it some for the first few weeks.  I don't worry about it anymore.

Last I read, the 07 had a redesign ECU that helped this, but I have yet to hear any new owners confirm it.  I also have not yet read of an upgrade for our bikes.  Dobieman?


Yes the 07 has a larger ECU and reportedly cranks faster. Faster ECU speeds crank time and diagnostics. Not a big enough difference to worry about IMO.
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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2007, 04:22:15 pm »

My 675 cranks a bit before it fires, but it always starts.  I don't know how long it cranks, since I never thought about it before.  I recall that the TT600s did something similar.
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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2007, 09:44:03 pm »

I thought the 07's got coated brake pistons from the Daytona to supposedly address the brake lever travel issues.  The jury is still out.
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2007, 11:02:15 pm »


I thought the 07's got coated brake pistons from the Daytona to supposedly address the brake lever travel issues.  The jury is still out.


The service manager where I bought mine said Triumph would allow him to change out the pistons if a customer complains.  The bike has to be inside the standard warranty period and included in the VIN range.

The only reason I even thought of how long it takes to fire off is a reviewer commented on it and the '06 I demo'd fired right up.  It was a bit cold this morning (maybe 30F in the garage) and it took a couple of tries to get it started - 4 seconds followed by a couple.  Not a big deal if is consistent and always fires.
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