Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 [All]   Go Down
Print

Topic: 2011 GSX1250FA coming to America  (Read 44053 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.
knolltop314
*

Reputation 10
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '10
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: '08 GSX650F
GPS: NW of St Louis
Miles Typed: 1015

My Photo Gallery


So, what's the problem?




Ignore
« on: October 06, 2010, 09:26:36 am »

2011 Suzuki GSX1250FA

... an update on the venerable Bandit 1250, now in a fully faired sporty-touring iteration.



The Bandit was last seen in Suzukiís 2008 lineup, and this new version, called the GSX1250FA, takes it up a level. Itís a bike that was introduced in world markets in 2010, but itís a new addition to American Suzukiís lineup.

And it looks like a bike right for these times, as it offers real-world usability, long-distance comfort , a midrange-heavy big-bore motor and anti-lock-braking safety, all at a very reasonable list price of $11,599.


The 2011 GSX1250FA takes the Bandit to a sleeker, sport-touring angle with its full fairing and standard ABS brakes.
The FA uses a 1255cc four-cylinder for power, fuel-injected for quick response and counterbalanced for smoothness. The Bandit ST (my words)ís chassis is a basic steel-tube frame, with its rake and trail a moderately sporty 25.2 degrees and 104mm, respectively, scaling in at 567 lbs full of fuel.

Utility is promised by the standard-equipment centerstand and availability of hard luggage, including a tail trunk. The protective bodywork and windscreen will send air around its rider while draining its 5.0-gallon fuel capacity. The FAís broad seat is comfortably low at 31.7 inches, and, if more legroom is needed, it can be raised nearly an inch by flipping its platform.

This is a lot of bike for less than 12K, even if the old Bandit retailed for less than $9000, as prices for Japanese motorcycles keep on climbing due to an unfavorable exchange rate. Itís easy to see how the GSX will appeal to aging sportbike pilots.

From Motorcycle.com ........................
« Last Edit: October 06, 2010, 04:42:29 pm by UFO » Logged

+-+-Michael-+-+
Sport-Touring
Advertisement
*


Remove Advertisements

chornbe

« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2010, 09:39:08 am »

That's excellent news.
Logged
motormike
*

Reputation 31
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '10
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: 2007 VFR800 ABS, 2001 VFR800FI
GPS: Mpls., Minnesota
Miles Typed: 1160

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2010, 09:45:11 am »

This is my first attempt at embedding a photo so we'll see how it goes.

This bike looks like a good model with a full fairing.

Edit:  whoops, my photo is the 2010 model which is what I found when I searched Google on "2011 GSX1250FA".
« Last Edit: October 06, 2010, 09:53:24 am by motormike » Logged
Advertisement



Snowbird
evil minion
*

Reputation -179
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: '01 Futura, '06 FJR
GPS: Man cave.
Miles Typed: 7767

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2010, 09:49:39 am »

This the bike?



I wonder the price? It'd have to be substantially lower than C-14, FJR, etc. In which case   Clap
Logged

Two wheels or four, weight is the enemy.
Orson
speshulize in havin' fun
*

Reputation 86
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '09
Motorcycles: '02 Moto Guzzi Le Mans, '04 Triumph Thruxton, '16 BMW R1200RS
GPS: Western N.C.
Miles Typed: 14347

My Photo Gallery



WWW
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2010, 09:53:33 am »


Itís a bike that was introduced in world markets in 2010, but itís a new addition to American Suzukiís lineup.

I thought this bike was available in Europe for at least a year, maybe 2  Headscratch

I could be wrong.
Logged

motormike
*

Reputation 31
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '10
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: 2007 VFR800 ABS, 2001 VFR800FI
GPS: Mpls., Minnesota
Miles Typed: 1160

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2010, 09:54:21 am »

Do you have a link to the Motorcycle.com article?

I couldn't find it quickly.
Logged
Rincewind
*

Reputation 123
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '08, '09, '10
Years Supported: '11
Miles Typed: 13728

My Photo Gallery




Ignore
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2010, 09:57:42 am »



I thought this bike was available in Europe for at least a year, maybe 2  Headscratch

I could be wrong.


I believe it was a 2010 model for them.

http://www.suzuki-gb.co.uk/bike/gsx1250fal0st/

This is a good move for Suzuki.

Logged
motormike
*

Reputation 31
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '10
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: 2007 VFR800 ABS, 2001 VFR800FI
GPS: Mpls., Minnesota
Miles Typed: 1160

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2010, 10:06:29 am »

The news about the Bandit is tagged on the end of the article about the new GSXR 600 and GSXR 750.

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/suzuki/2011-suzuki-gsxr600-and-gsxr750-revealed-90013.html

Here's a blurb on the price, which is mentioned in the opening post (which I missed...sorry).

"2011 Suzuki GSX1250FA

The other new bike we saw the Suzuki dealer meeting Ė with 600 dealers and 1400 attendees Ė is an update on the venerable Bandit 1250, now in a fully faired sporty-touring iteration.

The Bandit was last seen in Suzukiís 2008 lineup, and this new version, called the GSX1250FA, takes it up a level. Itís a bike that was introduced in world markets in 2010, but itís a new addition to American Suzukiís lineup.

And it looks like a bike right for these times, as it offers real-world usability, long-distance comfort , a midrange-heavy big-bore motor and anti-lock-braking safety, all at a very reasonable list price of $11,599. "
Logged
chornbe

« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2010, 10:09:40 am »


This the bike?


I wonder the price? It'd have to be substantially lower than C-14, FJR, etc. In which case   Clap



"And it looks like a bike right for these times, as it offers real-world usability, long-distance comfort , a midrange-heavy big-bore motor and anti-lock-braking safety, all at a very reasonable list price of $11,599."

Logged
rajflyboy
Member
*

Reputation 367
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: BMW
Miles Typed: 1672

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2010, 10:11:59 am »


The news about the Bandit is tagged on the end of the article about the new GSXR 600 and GSXR 750.

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/suzuki/2011-suzuki-gsxr600-and-gsxr750-revealed-90013.html

Here's a blurb on the price, which is mentioned in the opening post (which I missed...sorry).

"2011 Suzuki GSX1250FA

The other new bike we saw the Suzuki dealer meeting Ė with 600 dealers and 1400 attendees Ė is an update on the venerable Bandit 1250, now in a fully faired sporty-touring iteration.

The Bandit was last seen in Suzukiís 2008 lineup, and this new version, called the GSX1250FA, takes it up a level. Itís a bike that was introduced in world markets in 2010, but itís a new addition to American Suzukiís lineup.

And it looks like a bike right for these times, as it offers real-world usability, long-distance comfort , a midrange-heavy big-bore motor and anti-lock-braking safety, all at a very reasonable list price of $11,599. "



11,599???

I paid less than that for a brand new ZX14 just a few years ago.     This Gixxer is overpriced by at least 1500 dollars in my opinion but it is a very cool bike!!
Logged

"The Dream is free The Hustle is sold separatelyĒ
chornbe

« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2010, 10:14:37 am »




11,599???

I paid less than that for a brand new ZX14 just a few years ago.     This Gixxer is overpriced by at least 1500 dollars in my opinion but it is a very cool bike!!


Do you have ANY idea at all what you're talking about?

And, IF you paid that price and IF you actually bought that bike, you paid left over pricing. EVERY bike has an expected MSRP regardless of what fictional prices they actually do sell for... That's the MSRP, and no, you don't find ZX14s at a smaller MSRP than that and besides, they're not even in the same class of machine.

Hypermotards cost more than Honda Shadows... HOLY SHIT WHAT A RIPOFF!!!

Come on... give it some thought.
Logged
Rincewind
*

Reputation 123
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '08, '09, '10
Years Supported: '11
Miles Typed: 13728

My Photo Gallery




Ignore
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2010, 10:22:27 am »

Add $1k for the bags and it's still $500 less than the Triumph Sprint GT.
Logged
bomber
*

Reputation 30
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '10
Years Supported: '11
GPS: Sea of Joy
Miles Typed: 17355

My Photo Gallery


Based on actual events




Ignore
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2010, 10:24:48 am »

Suzuki continues to offer outstanding values in many bike niches . . . . good for them!
Logged

Beautiful day, happy to be here
-- Jane Catherine Lotter
"Bomber is correct" -- Carbonero
rajflyboy
Member
*

Reputation 367
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: BMW
Miles Typed: 1672

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2010, 10:26:39 am »




Do you have ANY idea at all what you're talking about?

And, IF you paid that price and IF you actually bought that bike, you paid left over pricing. EVERY bike has an expected MSRP regardless of what fictional prices they actually do sell for... That's the MSRP, and no, you don't find ZX14s at a smaller MSRP than that and besides, they're not even in the same class of machine.

Hypermotards cost more than Honda Shadows... HOLY SHIT WHAT A RIPOFF!!!

Come on... give it some thought.


You are wrong.  

MSRP was below 11599 on a ZX14 just a few years ago on a current in year model.  And yes the ZX14 is a hell of a lot more bike than a GSX1250

The exchange rate really has raised the prices on Jap bikes to a level >> in which I would just go ahead and buy a European Machine such as a Triumph or Ducati over the Jap bikes
« Last Edit: October 06, 2010, 10:28:52 am by rajflyboy » Logged

"The Dream is free The Hustle is sold separatelyĒ
rajflyboy
Member
*

Reputation 367
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: BMW
Miles Typed: 1672

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2010, 10:30:47 am »

Here are the facts hero

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2006/kawasaki/ninja/zx_14/prices/20897/05/index.html
Logged

"The Dream is free The Hustle is sold separatelyĒ
tomek
*

Reputation 12
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 3
GPS: 60527
Miles Typed: 1849

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2010, 10:32:10 am »

Bandit 1250, 5.0 gallon tank,internet forums go   Thumbsup

Honda VFR1200,4.9 gallon tank,internet goes  OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG
Logged

Fast bikes save lives

If you are not sliding you are not riding
rajflyboy
Member
*

Reputation 367
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: BMW
Miles Typed: 1672

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #16 on: October 06, 2010, 10:36:29 am »

While I love this new GSX1250 I just could never go and buy one.    You will never get any value of it on a resale and you can buy a whole lot better machine for not much more money.  

Price vs Fun factor just doesn't match up.  

Logged

"The Dream is free The Hustle is sold separatelyĒ
Orson
speshulize in havin' fun
*

Reputation 86
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '09
Motorcycles: '02 Moto Guzzi Le Mans, '04 Triumph Thruxton, '16 BMW R1200RS
GPS: Western N.C.
Miles Typed: 14347

My Photo Gallery



WWW
« Reply #17 on: October 06, 2010, 10:40:23 am »


Bandit 1250, 5.0 gallon tank,internet forums go   Thumbsup

Honda VFR1200,4.9 gallon tank,internet goes  OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG

 Lol

5.0 sounds like a lot more than just 4.9  Bigsmile
Logged

rajflyboy
Member
*

Reputation 367
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: BMW
Miles Typed: 1672

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #18 on: October 06, 2010, 10:45:58 am »



 Lol

5.0 sounds like a lot more than just 4.9  Bigsmile


That will get you about 3 miles or so
Logged

"The Dream is free The Hustle is sold separatelyĒ
Xanth
*

Reputation 9
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: '00 YZF600R
Miles Typed: 142

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #19 on: October 06, 2010, 10:55:35 am »

Suzuki didn't import for 2010. This makes price comparisons difficult, but I would guess that the 2009 Bandit ABS ($9800 msrp) would have cost around $10,000 - $10,500 for 2010. Suzuki took the Bandit ABS and fully faired it for between $1,100 and $1,600. (Yes, I'm making many assumptions here)

Kawasaki took the Z1000 ($10,500 for 2011) and fully faired it for $400 more to make the Ninja 1000. If Kawasaki offered an ABS model in the US it probably would have gone up another $1,000 to $1,500 like some of their existing bikes.

While definitely not an equal comparison, I think Suzuki is right inline with a "fair and reasonable" setup. Yes, I would like to have seen it come in at a slightly lower price point for giving the Bandit full fairings. With the rising costs of Japanese motorcycles I can't say the pricing is wrong, even if I don't like it.

Is the Bandit suspension fully adjustable like the Kawasaki?
Logged
chornbe

« Reply #20 on: October 06, 2010, 10:57:20 am »

We live in a world where the big STs are all $15k and up.

This bike is more appropriately compared to the Sprint ST and GT...

That's the price compare to worry about, and yes, only for 2011.

It wasn't here in 2010 so it's moot.
Logged
chesthing
*

Reputation -14
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: R1200RT
GPS: Colorado
Miles Typed: 948

My Photo Gallery




Ignore
« Reply #21 on: October 06, 2010, 11:08:58 am »

Chain drive = fail.
Logged
Dave the slave
*

Reputation 5
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2006 pearly white VFR
GPS: Nirvana
Miles Typed: 768

My Photo Gallery




Ignore
« Reply #22 on: October 06, 2010, 01:09:08 pm »

 

Chain drive = fail.



 Rolleyes

Buy an FJR.

I PREFER chain drive.
Logged

Remember - If at first you don't succeed... don't go skydiving.
rajflyboy
Member
*

Reputation 367
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: BMW
Miles Typed: 1672

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #23 on: October 06, 2010, 01:12:33 pm »

Chain Drive = more HP which makes me  Bigsmile
Logged

"The Dream is free The Hustle is sold separatelyĒ
chornbe

« Reply #24 on: October 06, 2010, 01:14:45 pm »

I'm thankful for a rich and varied market place that offers a little something for everyone.
Logged
rajflyboy
Member
*

Reputation 367
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: BMW
Miles Typed: 1672

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #25 on: October 06, 2010, 01:19:01 pm »


I'm thankful for a rich and varied market place that offers a little something for everyone.


A Z1000 or Suzuki 1250 type of machine was much more interesting when they sold for 8G instead of 12G
Logged

"The Dream is free The Hustle is sold separatelyĒ
Dave the slave
*

Reputation 5
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2006 pearly white VFR
GPS: Nirvana
Miles Typed: 768

My Photo Gallery




Ignore
« Reply #26 on: October 06, 2010, 01:22:25 pm »

Just to add fuel to the fire I paid $11,300 OTD for my 2009 ZX14, MSRP was $12,099+TTL so in Utah if I paid full retail I would have been about $13,300.

But it really depends on the popularity of the model in question.  
Logged

Remember - If at first you don't succeed... don't go skydiving.
IrishFazerBoy
*

Reputation 1
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 82R65LS & 05FZ1
GPS: Long Island, NY
Miles Typed: 191

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #27 on: October 06, 2010, 01:24:38 pm »

Ninja 1000, Sprint GT, GSX1250F ... damn...all made for me.   It's going to be difficult to choose!    BTW where is Honda??? WTF!!!   That CBF1000 would match up nicely here.   Oh well,   they've given up the NA market I guess.
Price...well coming from a BMW they all look good.   The 1200RT is a most excellent bike, but $18K ...ouch

Logged
UFO
*

Reputation 191
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2018 Kawi H2SX SE
GPS: WA State
Miles Typed: 13213

My Photo Gallery


Retired-Ex-Skipper



« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2010, 01:29:53 pm »


Bandit 1250, 5.0 gallon tank,internet forums go   Thumbsup

Honda VFR1200,4.9 gallon tank, $16,000 entry price, internet goes  OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG


FTFY
Logged

Neal - 2018 H2 SX SE - H2SXRiders.net - Ride Fast . . . Ride Far
Strog
*

Reputation 2
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 06 F650GS
GPS: Broken Arrow, OK
Miles Typed: 418

My Photo Gallery


Geek on two wheels




Ignore
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2010, 01:33:46 pm »


Bandit 1250, 5.0 gallon tank,internet forums go   Thumbsup

Honda VFR1200,4.9 gallon tank,internet goes  OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG


50-ish MPG versus mid-30s MPG is the bigger issue if you want to compare those bikes. You'd be walking from your VFR long before the Bandit even got to reserve.  Bigok

I think it would have been a lot less of an issue if the VFR1200 had a larger tank OR better fuel economy. The old VFR had a 5.8 gal tank and 40MPG so it was a big step backwards in range on a tank for a bike that was supposed to be good at touring (probably is great for touring if you don't mind stopping more often).
Logged
chornbe

« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2010, 01:35:40 pm »


Just to add fuel to the fire I paid $11,300 OTD for my 2009 ZX14, MSRP was $12,099+TTL so in Utah if I paid full retail I would have been about $13,300.

But it really depends on the popularity of the model in question.  


the 2011 XZ14 is MSRP $13,599.

When doing new-model-year price comparisons, MSRP has to be compared first. Discounted prices are just icing on the cake. Left over pricing is a crap shoot.

Raj's complaint was that the Bandit 1250 sport-tour dressed version of "overpriced" at $11 and some change compared to the ZX14.

It's not... again, comparing new stock on current-year models.
Logged
scottzilla
*

Reputation -56
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '10
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: CBR1100XX, 33hp oversized dirt bike, 08 Tuono
GPS: NY
Miles Typed: 8809

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2010, 01:41:16 pm »


Bandit 1250, 5.0 gallon tank,internet forums go   Thumbsup

Honda VFR1200,4.9 gallon tank,internet goes  OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG OMGOMGOMG



ZING! Lol
Logged

They're finding dead bodies where I ride.

The Wrath of Con Pt. 4 "One thing is for sure however, I will never publicly promote or let it be known that I am a member of STN again".
Mr.Black
*

Reputation 152
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '09, '10
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: '08 GSF1250
GPS: 01543
Miles Typed: 18512

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2010, 01:44:02 pm »

Factor in at least $400.00 for an aftermarket seat since the stock one is like sitting on a rock.
Logged

Sig lines used to be fun.
Cablebandit
Pig Wrangler
*

Reputation 92
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: '10 Flying Pig
GPS: Stormstown PA
Miles Typed: 4824

My Photo Gallery


Certified Maniac


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #33 on: October 06, 2010, 02:00:05 pm »




A Z1000 or Suzuki 1250 type of machine was much more interesting when they sold for 8G instead of 12G


Wait a year and pickup a leftover for that...or less.  While I agree that the bike looks good and makes sense.  The fickle American consumer doesn't make sense.  

Face it, the motorcycle buying public at large here buy cruisers/ crotch rockets.  Bikes that "make sense" don't seem to do well in this market for whatever reason.
Logged

IBA #33260  https://www.facebook.com/TheCablebandits
"since I actually have a twat I can complain all I want to" - viffergyrl
"I pooped at the highest point in West Virginia" - molferen
JReazor
*

Reputation 27
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '08, '09, '10
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: 2000 SV650, 2011 Sprint GT, 2007 C3
GPS: Drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's
Miles Typed: 3319

My Photo Gallery



WWW

Ignore
« Reply #34 on: October 06, 2010, 02:07:37 pm »




Wait a year and pickup a leftover for that...or less.  While I agree that the bike looks good and makes sense.  The fickle American consumer doesn't make sense.  

Face it, the motorcycle buying public at large here buy cruisers/ crotch rockets.  Bikes that "make sense" don't seem to do well in this market for whatever reason.


Because motorcycles are toys. No one needs a practical or comfortable toy.
Logged
Cablebandit
Pig Wrangler
*

Reputation 92
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: '10 Flying Pig
GPS: Stormstown PA
Miles Typed: 4824

My Photo Gallery


Certified Maniac


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #35 on: October 06, 2010, 02:10:26 pm »

Precisely
Logged

IBA #33260  https://www.facebook.com/TheCablebandits
"since I actually have a twat I can complain all I want to" - viffergyrl
"I pooped at the highest point in West Virginia" - molferen
scottzilla
*

Reputation -56
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '10
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: CBR1100XX, 33hp oversized dirt bike, 08 Tuono
GPS: NY
Miles Typed: 8809

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #36 on: October 06, 2010, 02:28:24 pm »




Wait a year and pickup a leftover for that...or less.  While I agree that the bike looks good and makes sense.  The fickle American consumer doesn't make sense.  

Face it, the motorcycle buying public at large here buy cruisers/ crotch rockets.  Bikes that "make sense" don't seem to do well in this market for whatever reason.



This is the common answer but BMW has done a good job selling in their niche; the Adventure is their best seller, year after year after year...
This does not point towards buyers only caring about crotch rockets and cruisers.  I think it does show consumers have expectations about what kind of products a mfg produces.  It is the mfg's job to influence these expectations.
Logged

They're finding dead bodies where I ride.

The Wrath of Con Pt. 4 "One thing is for sure however, I will never publicly promote or let it be known that I am a member of STN again".
Cablebandit
Pig Wrangler
*

Reputation 92
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: '10 Flying Pig
GPS: Stormstown PA
Miles Typed: 4824

My Photo Gallery


Certified Maniac


WWW

Ignore
« Reply #37 on: October 06, 2010, 02:34:38 pm »

True, but BMW is selling the lifestyle not the bike.  Similar to Harley.  How many of those dentists buying GS's used to have a Harley.  I think we already have the thread that BMW is the new Harley.  Lol

Logged

IBA #33260  https://www.facebook.com/TheCablebandits
"since I actually have a twat I can complain all I want to" - viffergyrl
"I pooped at the highest point in West Virginia" - molferen
Dave the slave
*

Reputation 5
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2006 pearly white VFR
GPS: Nirvana
Miles Typed: 768

My Photo Gallery




Ignore
« Reply #38 on: October 06, 2010, 02:36:25 pm »




the 2011 XZ14 is MSRP $13,599.

When doing new-model-year price comparisons, MSRP has to be compared first. Discounted prices are just icing on the cake. Left over pricing is a crap shoot.

Raj's complaint was that the Bandit 1250 sport-tour dressed version of "overpriced" at $11 and some change compared to the ZX14.

It's not... again, comparing new stock on current-year models.



I bought my 2009 ZX14 in May of 2009... Not a leftover... My point was shop and haggle and you can get a much better price than MSRP.
Logged

Remember - If at first you don't succeed... don't go skydiving.
Dan K
*

Reputation 110
Offline Offline

Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: '10 VFR1200F, '03 Aprilia Tuono RSV
GPS: North of Chicago (flat lands w/no twisties)
Miles Typed: 4219

My Photo Gallery


I'm only here to help. Really.




Ignore
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2010, 03:15:17 pm »




Because motorcycles are toys. No one needs a practical or comfortable toy.



I'm curious about the prevalence of the belief that motorcycles are toys.  

I feel, with no real statistical basis, that riders I know use their bikes for transportation more than as 'toys.'

Of course, most of my riding friends and I have multiple bikes, and usually only 1 is the practical touring/commuting bike (for some, they have 2, but those guys don't count anyway - too many in the garage).


My buddy with one bike, he never rides it.

Odd.

- Dan
Logged

Sometimes the only answer is defenestration. - Dan K
rajflyboy
Member
*

Reputation 367
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: BMW
Miles Typed: 1672

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2010, 03:24:19 pm »




the 2011 XZ14 is MSRP $13,599.

When doing new-model-year price comparisons, MSRP has to be compared first. Discounted prices are just icing on the cake. Left over pricing is a crap shoot.

Raj's complaint was that the Bandit 1250 sport-tour dressed version of "overpriced" at $11 and some change compared to the ZX14.

It's not... again, comparing new stock on current-year models.



What part of "Just a few years ago" can you not understand?
Logged

"The Dream is free The Hustle is sold separatelyĒ
Rogue
Menace to Society
*

Reputation 108
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: Buell and Honda
Miles Typed: 6884

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2010, 03:44:34 pm »

Nevermind the price argument.

How many in here REALLY believe the GSX1250F is going to sell well at all?

They couldn't give away enough Bandit 1250's when it was less than $10k!  This ST "Bandit" will be competing head to head against the likes of the C14, VFR1200, Hayabusa, Triumph Sprint GT, ZX14, etc.  Most people in this price range will go for the sleeker, faster, machines.  Those leaning towards sleek will get the Hayabusa/ZX14.  Those leaning towards comfort will get the C14/FJR/VFR1200.  That leaves the GSX1250F and the Z1000S languishing in the showrooms of America.  

Motorcycles in this class don't sell if they don't look right.  That Suzuki already looks dated.  Sorry but look at sales history of similar bikes in the US.  They all failed.
Logged

Rogue
chornbe

« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2010, 03:46:00 pm »





What part of "Just a few years ago" can you not understand?


Shrug

Oh, gosh. Sounded to me like you were comparing a few-years-old bike to a current model.

Sorry if I got that wrong.
Logged
Orson
speshulize in havin' fun
*

Reputation 86
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '09
Motorcycles: '02 Moto Guzzi Le Mans, '04 Triumph Thruxton, '16 BMW R1200RS
GPS: Western N.C.
Miles Typed: 14347

My Photo Gallery



WWW
« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2010, 04:38:59 pm »

Maybe some people will think it looks dated...I like it but, then I like cafe racers so, I may not be one to go by  Bigsmile



I think it looks better than the ST1300 or the FJR or the Concours 14

Yamaha didn't think the FJR would sell in the US so, time will tell whether Suzuki keeps it in their line up.
Logged

ANTBROWN
*

Reputation 2
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2007 Suzuki SV1000S
GPS: Calgary, Alberta
Miles Typed: 20

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2010, 05:17:22 pm »

I don't know how things in the Sates are exactly but up here in Canada the GSX1250 SEA comes with the full set of luggage and it's quite popular. It doesn't have all the bells and whistles of the FJR, C14 or K1300 but in today's economy how many people can afford to pay top dollar for a motorcycle which is essentially a toy. Now isn't the right time for Suzuki to release an expensive sport/touring machine although I do wish they'd change the chain to a belt drive, add heated grips and a 22 - 23L tank. A taller/wider manually adjustable windscreen employing a system similar to Madstad's Robo brackets would be great as well but other than that I think the bike looks great and from everything I've read about it on several websites and forums, including this one, not many people have anything bad to say about it and the vast majority like it a lot. I rode one at a Suzuki demo day and it felt really good. That motor is a gem. Smooth and lots of bottom end/midrange. Just where you need it for real world riding. The ergos where good as well. I know I'm coveting one that's for sure. Love that blacked out motor!!
C14's are butt ugly.
Just my two cents.

Michael
« Last Edit: October 06, 2010, 05:38:42 pm by ANTBROWN » Logged
Jetpilot5
Junior Member
*

Reputation 22
Online Online

Motorcycles: 2016 BMW R1200RS
GPS: Bloomington, IL
Miles Typed: 1764

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2010, 06:03:02 pm »


How many in here REALLY believe the GSX1250F is going to sell well at all?

I think it's going to be a much tougher sell now that the new Kawasaki Ninja 1000 has been introduced.  It'll be interesting to read the tests on these bikes in the coming months, but the Ninja has higher specs for a little less money and while I think the GSX looks good, it doesn't mimic the looks of the superbikes like the Kawasaki does.  ABS may sway a few but not many.  A test ride program might help because that Bandit engine is really nice but I doubt that's happening either.

Anyone know what color the US is getting?
Logged

Region 4 Meet 04, 05, 06, 07, 08 | CSTN 07 | ST.N National 08, 10, 12 | Region 4 Track Day 09
Siah
*

Reputation 1
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 1996 Suzuki Katana 600, 2003 Suzuki Bandit 1200s
GPS: TX
Miles Typed: 106

My Photo Gallery




Ignore
« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2010, 06:14:40 pm »

I think the people that know and love the Bandit will choose the GSX1250, and the people that love shiny and new will buy the Ninja 1000.
Which basically means the Ninja 1000 will trounce the Bandit, which is unfortunate, because I'd love for Suzuki to keep sending bikes like this to the states.  I know as soon as I get an air traffic control job after I graduate, I'm going to get one.  And I'll probably turn my B12S into a streetfighter.  
Logged
Sarchi
warm and fuzzy
*

Reputation 12
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: a fuzzy one
GPS: Toronto
Miles Typed: 1085

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2010, 07:04:17 pm »




You are wrong.  

MSRP was below 11599 on a ZX14 just a few years ago on a current in year model.  And yes the ZX14 is a hell of a lot more bike than a GSX1250

The exchange rate really has raised the prices on Jap bikes to a level >> in which I would just go ahead and buy a European Machine such as a Triumph or Ducati over the Jap bikes


Actually guys, the Yen has declined about 30% vs. the Dollar in the last 5 years.  I know Japan imports their steel, but still.  With outsourcing rampant and 0% interest rates, the prices on Japanese goods should be going down over here, not up.  I have no explanation for this, maybe someone else can take a shot at it.  Headscratch
« Last Edit: October 06, 2010, 07:06:06 pm by Sarchi » Logged
Orson
speshulize in havin' fun
*

Reputation 86
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '09
Motorcycles: '02 Moto Guzzi Le Mans, '04 Triumph Thruxton, '16 BMW R1200RS
GPS: Western N.C.
Miles Typed: 14347

My Photo Gallery



WWW
« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2010, 07:08:10 pm »

The Japanese Yen and the Japanese Dollar are two different things.
Logged

bassjones
*

Reputation -11
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 06 VFR ABS
GPS: Fort Wayne, IN
Miles Typed: 2385

My Photo Gallery



WWW

Ignore
« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2010, 07:11:16 pm »

One more to add to the potential next bike list.  The new Kawi Z1000S (available with full luggage) is what the new VFR SHOULD have been, this new Bandit is a great value at that price, the Sprint GT - YES!!! Choices!  That or go more touring oriented with the Conk, FJR or the (hopefully updated by then) ST1300...
Logged

marc11
*

Reputation 10
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '06, '07, '09
Motorcycles: 14 R1200RT - 02 XR400r
GPS: Orange County, NY
Miles Typed: 2743

My Photo Gallery


I drank the Kool-Aid; it gave me the runs.




Ignore
« Reply #50 on: October 06, 2010, 07:31:15 pm »




Actually guys, the Yen has declined about 30% vs. the Dollar in the last 5 years.  I know Japan imports their steel, but still.  With outsourcing rampant and 0% interest rates, the prices on Japanese goods should be going down over here, not up.  I have no explanation for this, maybe someone else can take a shot at it.  Headscratch


Land and labor are very expensive in Japan.  Japan tries to source as much in country as they can, they attempt to support themselves as much as possible, including steel.  A lot of steel is still made in Japan, and while very high quality, it isn't cheap.

Actually the Yen is very strong against the dollar, historically strong.  In fact Japan has been accusing China of buying Yen to drive the value up making Japanese imports less attractive overseas.  So a weak dollar/strong Yen make Japanese produces less attractive to the US, ie more expensive since it takes more dollars to buy the same amount of Yen.  Therefore at 100 Yen to the dollar you needed 10,000 dollars to make 100,000 yen, at 90 Yen to the dollar you need to sell that same product for 11,111 Dollars to make that same 100,000 Yen.
« Last Edit: October 06, 2010, 07:36:25 pm by marc11 » Logged

From the North East?  Check out: www.northeastsporttouring.com
ChrisInTexas
*

Reputation 0
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2005 Katana 750 - Zero Gravity, FirstGear, Dry Bones.
GPS: Texas
Miles Typed: 41

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #51 on: October 06, 2010, 11:00:07 pm »




Actually guys, the Yen has declined about 30% vs. the Dollar in the last 5 years.  I know Japan imports their steel, but still.  With outsourcing rampant and 0% interest rates, the prices on Japanese goods should be going down over here, not up.  I have no explanation for this, maybe someone else can take a shot at it.  Headscratch


As of this writing $1 US = 83 YEN, in June of 2007 $1 US = 123.8 YEN. That means that in 2007 you could get 123.8 YEN for every US dollar, today you can ONLY get 83 YEN for a US Dollar. The US Dollar has lost approximately 33% of its value compared to the Japanese YEN since 2007, hence the price increase for Japanese products.

Also, I love this Bandit and plan on buying one, I think it is a perfect ST bike.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2010, 09:57:24 am by ChrisInTexas » Logged
motormike
*

Reputation 31
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '10
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: 2007 VFR800 ABS, 2001 VFR800FI
GPS: Mpls., Minnesota
Miles Typed: 1160

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #52 on: October 06, 2010, 11:32:14 pm »


I'm partial to Suzuki only because I had some friends in high school own GSXR bikes (long time ago).  I'm hoping to buy a SV650 as my first bike.  I like this new Bandit model with full fairing and ABS and want to see it in person.

Lots of choices with all of these new and existing models.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2010, 09:03:16 am by motormike » Logged
sammyseaman
AH3
*

Reputation 206
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 1 1/2
GPS: Grand River Valley
Miles Typed: 9855

My Photo Gallery


Владимир Константинов




Ignore
« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2010, 09:34:04 am »


Chain drive = fail.


 Headscratch Don't let a tiny bit of maintenance scare you.
Logged

"Warm them with your breath or in your hand then insert them to a comfortable depth." ~Mr. Black~
"Polar bears can't jump." ~black bear~
satz
*

Reputation 10
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2005 Fz1
GPS: N.Attleboro ,Ma
Miles Typed: 119

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2010, 11:04:32 am »

Couple of things the bandit 1250 avg 50 miles to a gallon so comparing it to the VFR is not correct.
Also you can buy the bandit with ABS which the Ninja 1000 does not come with.

Insurance on the bandit is going to alot less compared to the other bikes. The only thing is why cannot you buy a bandit for 9k with abs and just added luggage and bottom fairing
for 1k.

Logged
Sarchi
warm and fuzzy
*

Reputation 12
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: a fuzzy one
GPS: Toronto
Miles Typed: 1085

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2010, 11:06:52 am »




As of this writing $1 US = 83 YEN, in June of 2007 $1 US = 123.8 YEN. That means that in 2007 you could get 123.8 YEN for every US dollar, today you can ONLY get 83 YEN for a US Dollar. The US Dollar has lost approximately 33% of its value compared to the Japanese YEN since 2007, hence the price increase for Japanese products.

Also, I love this Bandit and plan on buying one, I think it is a perfect ST bike.


D'oh!  You're right.  I was reading the tables backwards, no wonder it made no sense.   Embarassment

Well, that's the answer to raj's rant then.
Logged
JReazor
*

Reputation 27
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '08, '09, '10
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: 2000 SV650, 2011 Sprint GT, 2007 C3
GPS: Drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's
Miles Typed: 3319

My Photo Gallery



WWW

Ignore
« Reply #56 on: October 07, 2010, 01:36:32 pm »





I'm curious about the prevalence of the belief that motorcycles are toys.  

I feel, with no real statistical basis, that riders I know use their bikes for transportation more than as 'toys.'

Of course, most of my riding friends and I have multiple bikes, and usually only 1 is the practical touring/commuting bike (for some, they have 2, but those guys don't count anyway - too many in the garage).


My buddy with one bike, he never rides it.

Odd.

- Dan


That's definitely not consistant with my experience. Most of the people I know who own bikes take them out for short rides when the weather is nice on Sunday morning. I work with a couple guys that have bikes in the garage that haven't been started in several years. Several others go on a couple long trips a year but never ride to work. Bikes are simple recreation to those people. I would wager that they make up a bigger percentage of the American motorcycle buying public then we do.
Logged
Jetpilot5
Junior Member
*

Reputation 22
Online Online

Motorcycles: 2016 BMW R1200RS
GPS: Bloomington, IL
Miles Typed: 1764

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #57 on: October 07, 2010, 01:55:10 pm »

Now up on the Suzuki US website.

http://www.suzukicycles.com/Product%20Lines/Cycles/Products/GSX1250FA/2011/GSX1250FA.aspx?category=sportbike
Logged

Region 4 Meet 04, 05, 06, 07, 08 | CSTN 07 | ST.N National 08, 10, 12 | Region 4 Track Day 09
motormike
*

Reputation 31
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '10
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: 2007 VFR800 ABS, 2001 VFR800FI
GPS: Mpls., Minnesota
Miles Typed: 1160

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #58 on: October 07, 2010, 01:58:34 pm »


Now up on the Suzuki US website.




In BLACK.
Logged
Siah
*

Reputation 1
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 1996 Suzuki Katana 600, 2003 Suzuki Bandit 1200s
GPS: TX
Miles Typed: 106

My Photo Gallery




Ignore
« Reply #59 on: October 07, 2010, 02:16:10 pm »

Suzuki has made all my dreams come true.  Damnit I want to graduate NOW!  
Logged
scottzilla
*

Reputation -56
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '10
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: CBR1100XX, 33hp oversized dirt bike, 08 Tuono
GPS: NY
Miles Typed: 8809

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2010, 03:39:49 pm »

Is this new Suzuki SCRAD?  If it's SCRAD, it will sell like hot cakes.  Suzuki people love SCRAD.

(Inspired by every other Craigslist ad of some punks selling a GSXR...er, SCRAD). Smile
Logged

They're finding dead bodies where I ride.

The Wrath of Con Pt. 4 "One thing is for sure however, I will never publicly promote or let it be known that I am a member of STN again".
HipGnosis
It's Hip to Gno
*

Reputation 23
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '10
Motorcycles: BMW F800ST(low), VStar 950, Ninja 650
GPS: Not sure where I am, but I'm going back to villainy
Miles Typed: 5107

My Photo Gallery


Mercenary doppleganger scout




Ignore
« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2010, 05:37:15 pm »


How many in here REALLY believe the GSX1250F is going to sell well at all?
How many think any ST bike will sell well??

I think sport-touring has a broad spectrum and has room for more.
Logged

ďThere's a time for daring and there's a time for caution, and a wise man understands which is called for.Ē - Robin Williams as John Keating in 'Dead Poets Society'
ConPilot1
Seven Pupils In My Eye
*

Reputation -1645
Offline Offline

Miles Typed: leet

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2010, 06:01:42 pm »

Quote
I think it looks better than the ST1300 or the FJR or the Concours 14


Not even close.

I think the new ST Zook with the bags is very utilitarian looking, but I kinda like it.
Logged

halloween over.
Baz
*

Reputation 22
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '07, '08, '09, '10
Years Supported: '11, '12
Motorcycles: Yamaha FJR
GPS: St. Albert, AB, Canada
Miles Typed: 9018

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #63 on: October 08, 2010, 03:26:45 am »

They have had this very Bandit available here since the introduction of the 3rd gen.

It was simply an add on from the Suzuki parts catalogue. (now an actual model) Not cheap of course. You see the odd one at a dealer here every once in a while, but they are not a big seller.

All the plastic is made by a 3rd party. Luggage by Givi, the fairing by someone else. (I once knew this  Headscratch) You can buy all the pieces separately if you google.

Most of the luggage is in the Suzuki CA parts catalogue. (Scroll to the "luggage" tab

http://moto.suzuki.ca/Product%20Lines/cycles/Products/Bandit%201250S/2009/GSF1250SA/Accessories.aspx?Style=
« Last Edit: October 08, 2010, 03:39:43 am by Baz » Logged
Siah
*

Reputation 1
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 1996 Suzuki Katana 600, 2003 Suzuki Bandit 1200s
GPS: TX
Miles Typed: 106

My Photo Gallery




Ignore
« Reply #64 on: October 08, 2010, 08:37:48 am »


They have had this very Bandit available here since the introduction of the 3rd gen.

It was simply an add on from the Suzuki parts catalogue. (now an actual model) Not cheap of course. You see the odd one at a dealer here every once in a while, but they are not a big seller.

All the plastic is made by a 3rd party. Luggage by Givi, the fairing by someone else. (I once knew this  Headscratch) You can buy all the pieces separately if you google.

Most of the luggage is in the Suzuki CA parts catalogue. (Scroll to the "luggage" tab

http://moto.suzuki.ca/Product%20Lines/cycles/Products/Bandit%201250S/2009/GSF1250SA/Accessories.aspx?Style=

You're confusing the GSF1250GT with the GSX1250FA
Yeah Suzuki model numbers are confusing. The GSF1250GT is a touring version of the Bandit, with the aftermarket fairing, luggage, etc.
The GSX1250FA has a fairing designed for it (need more proof? Just compare the headlights), ABS standard, etc.  
Here's the bike you're thinking of:
http://www.gizmag.com/suzuki-bandit-1250-grand-touring/8659/
Logged
Lon
Mower
*

Reputation 13
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '07, '09
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: '10 Concours 14, '08 DL1000, '10 KTM 690 E-R
GPS: Hudson, NH
Miles Typed: 1055

My Photo Gallery



WWW

Ignore
« Reply #65 on: October 11, 2010, 01:36:06 pm »


It's not... again, comparing new stock on current-year models.


To your point...

In 2006, $1 = 116•
Now, $1 = 82•

Hey, look, Japanese bike prices are up ~30% since 2006... go figure.
Logged

'10 Concours 14 / '10 KTM 690 E-R / '08 DL1000
AMA / ST.N / DoD / RoK
Lon
Mower
*

Reputation 13
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '07, '09
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: '10 Concours 14, '08 DL1000, '10 KTM 690 E-R
GPS: Hudson, NH
Miles Typed: 1055

My Photo Gallery



WWW

Ignore
« Reply #66 on: October 11, 2010, 01:47:59 pm »

I think it's going to be a much tougher sell now that the new Kawasaki Ninja 1000 has been introduced.


Z1000 (Ninja 1000 is based on this bike) is a license-destroyer.  God that bike's fun.  I like it more than the S1000RR and the ZX10R, though I'd love it more if it had the BMW's sweet traction control.
Logged

'10 Concours 14 / '10 KTM 690 E-R / '08 DL1000
AMA / ST.N / DoD / RoK
doublen675
*

Reputation 4
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2009 Triumph Street Triple R
GPS: Idaho
Miles Typed: 152

My Photo Gallery


"I am the Stig"




Ignore
« Reply #67 on: October 15, 2010, 01:47:38 pm »

I like it, a reasonably priced alternative to the FJR and ST.  Chain drive too, so easy sprocket changes if you want.   Bigok
Logged

Baz
*

Reputation 22
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '07, '08, '09, '10
Years Supported: '11, '12
Motorcycles: Yamaha FJR
GPS: St. Albert, AB, Canada
Miles Typed: 9018

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #68 on: October 16, 2010, 03:32:11 am »



You're confusing the GSF1250GT with the GSX1250FA
Yeah Suzuki model numbers are confusing. The GSF1250GT is a touring version of the Bandit, with the aftermarket fairing, luggage, etc.
The GSX1250FA has a fairing designed for it (need more proof? Just compare the headlights), ABS standard, etc.  
Here's the bike you're thinking of:
http://www.gizmag.com/suzuki-bandit-1250-grand-touring/8659/


You are correct  Bigok
Logged
Yamadavidson
*

Reputation 1
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: GSF 1250
Miles Typed: 36

My Photo Gallery




Ignore
« Reply #69 on: October 18, 2010, 01:03:41 pm »

If you want a sport-tourer without all the overpriced bells and whistles you really only have a few choices, the new Triumph GT and the Suzuki. The Busa's and ZX14s really aren't in the same class comfort wise without lots of mods and the motor of the 1250 makes it a really great ride. I can do without shaft drive(my car has it Lol) the quality of today's chains makes it a non issue for me and if I decide to change gearing its a snap.  It seems  the average age of riders is getting higher so I think the sport touring and adventure touring markets will expand in the US so this is a good  move by Suzuki.
Logged
ANTBROWN
*

Reputation 2
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2007 Suzuki SV1000S
GPS: Calgary, Alberta
Miles Typed: 20

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #70 on: October 20, 2010, 02:12:44 pm »

Does anybody know how I can find out what the alternator output is for the GSX1250? I can't find it posted anywhere.
Logged
knolltop314
*

Reputation 10
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '10
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: '08 GSX650F
GPS: NW of St Louis
Miles Typed: 1015

My Photo Gallery


So, what's the problem?




Ignore
« Reply #71 on: October 20, 2010, 10:03:58 pm »

fwiw ... '08 GSX650F makes approx 400 watts and oem electricals use about 230.
Logged

+-+-Michael-+-+
sprint_st
Let the Wookie Win
*

Reputation 7
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2014 FJR1300A
GPS: SC Upstate
Miles Typed: 2630

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #72 on: October 21, 2010, 11:23:15 am »

"How many in here REALLY believe the GSX1250F is going to sell well at all?

They couldn't give away enough Bandit 1250's when it was less than $10k!  This ST "Bandit" will be competing head to head against the likes of the C14, VFR1200, Hayabusa, Triumph Sprint GT, ZX14, etc.  Most people in this price range will go for the sleeker, faster, machines.  Those leaning towards sleek will get the Hayabusa/ZX14.  Those leaning towards comfort will get the C14/FJR/VFR1200.  That leaves the GSX1250F and the Z1000S languishing in the showrooms of America.  

Motorcycles in this class don't sell if they don't look right.  That Suzuki already looks dated.  Sorry but look at sales history of similar bikes in the US.  They all failed."
IMO, the GSX1250F isn't going to do all that well and neither is the Sprint GT.  Like said above, guys into comfort ST will go ST1x00/C14/FJR/various BMW's.  guys who go sport ST will go ZX14, Tiger, Sprint ST, whatever and strap stuff on.  Guys who are totally frugal (read cheap) will go with something basic and strap stuff on.  A point that could be made is that just because it does or does not sell well doesn't make it an excellent bike.  
   
Logged

It AIN'T the destination, it's the RIDE!
ANTBROWN
*

Reputation 2
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2007 Suzuki SV1000S
GPS: Calgary, Alberta
Miles Typed: 20

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #73 on: October 21, 2010, 03:40:38 pm »

Well just so you know sprint_st, the GSX1250 was the number one selling sport touring bike in England this summer. In tough times cheap and good enough make a compelling alternative. Read some of the Bandit forums and you'll see there are plenty of owners already in the States who are very much enjoying their 'cheap' Bandits. I've been searching the net for several months now looking for reviews of the GSX/Bandit 1250 and I've yet to find one that that is negative.
For those of you who think the GSX is underpowered, Sport Bike magazine shows on their performance pages that the Bandit 1250 has better 60-80mph and 80-100mph roll-ons than the C14 or the FJR. Sure after 100 the other two will out perform the GSX but really how much time do most people spend above 100 anyhow. I test rode one at a Suzuki demo days this summer and that is one sweet motor. Smooth and lots of bottom end and midrange grunt. Right where you need it for touring. The GSX is more nimble than either of the other two to boot. Don't get me started on the ST.
Yes it's not perfect but for a budget bike it seems to perform very well.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2010, 06:29:31 pm by ANTBROWN » Logged
Baz
*

Reputation 22
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '07, '08, '09, '10
Years Supported: '11, '12
Motorcycles: Yamaha FJR
GPS: St. Albert, AB, Canada
Miles Typed: 9018

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #74 on: October 27, 2010, 11:14:04 pm »


Well just so you know sprint_st, the GSX1250 was the number one selling sport touring bike in England this summer. In tough times cheap and good enough make a compelling alternative. Read some of the Bandit forums and you'll see there are plenty of owners already in the States who are very much enjoying their 'cheap' Bandits. I've been searching the net for several months now looking for reviews of the GSX/Bandit 1250 and I've yet to find one that that is negative.
For those of you who think the GSX is underpowered, Sport Bike magazine shows on their performance pages that the Bandit 1250 has better 60-80mph and 80-100mph roll-ons than the C14 or the FJR. Sure after 100 the other two will out perform the GSX but really how much time do most people spend above 100 anyhow. I test rode one at a Suzuki demo days this summer and that is one sweet motor. Smooth and lots of bottom end and midrange grunt. Right where you need it for touring. The GSX is more nimble than either of the other two to boot. Don't get me started on the ST.
Yes it's not perfect but for a budget bike it seems to perform very well.


I went from a 2nd gen Bandit to a FJR and can tell you that while the power band is different, I think the two would be a very close quarter mile run. In fact I believe the last time MC mag did quarter mile tests, there was only a .15 sec difference between the two.

I am pretty sure you will see the floor price drop somewhat when the Bandit hits the showrooms.

My 2nd gen Bandit was an OK tourer, the 3rd gen would even be better. I have to say though that the Bandit would not come close to the touring abilities of the FJR. With the right price point, it may sell ok, but I don't think it would be a best seller here.

Logged
schmedly
*

Reputation 0
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2009 Suzuki Bandit 1250 S
GPS: Connecticut
Miles Typed: 13

My Photo Gallery


2009 Suzuki Bandit 1250 S




Ignore
« Reply #75 on: December 26, 2010, 10:32:19 pm »




I went from a 2nd gen Bandit to a FJR and can tell you that while the power band is different, I think the two would be a very close quarter mile run. In fact I believe the last time MC mag did quarter mile tests, there was only a .15 sec difference between the two.



I have a 2009 Bandit 1250 S set up with a lower fairing, luggage, madstad windshield and all the comforts - and I can whip my buddy's FJR off the line every time, but then again he is a big pussy.  I wish I had ABS, but the bike stops well so I don;t really need it so long as I stay out of the bad weather.
Logged

_________________________________
Motorcycles keep me sane, not safe.
Mr.Black
*

Reputation 152
Offline Offline

Years Contributed: '09, '10
Years Supported: '11
Motorcycles: '08 GSF1250
GPS: 01543
Miles Typed: 18512

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #76 on: December 27, 2010, 06:13:52 am »




I have a 2009 Bandit 1250 S set up with a lower fairing, luggage, madstad windshield and all the comforts - and I can whip my buddy's FJR off the line every time, but then again he is a big pussy.  I wish I had ABS, but the bike stops well so I don;t really need it so long as I stay out of the bad weather.
What do you have for a seat?
Logged

Sig lines used to be fun.
schmedly
*

Reputation 0
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2009 Suzuki Bandit 1250 S
GPS: Connecticut
Miles Typed: 13

My Photo Gallery


2009 Suzuki Bandit 1250 S




Ignore
« Reply #77 on: December 28, 2010, 10:54:28 am »


What do you have for a seat?


I took the stock seat and reworked it.  I took it apart and cut about 1 inch off the foam, angled back to give the seat less forward pitch.  To enhance this for the passenger I created a semi-rigid foam wedge to sit the passenger up even more - not quite leaning back but nice and flat with no forward lean.  Rider still leans forward a little.  Then I added memory foam to both and made them plushy and soft.  I had to long distance ride and rework both seats about five times to get all the sore points out and get the lean just right.  Now I can go all day and not get sore, passenger reports good comfort too.

Here is a list of all the things I did to it to get it the way I wanted it:
Genuine Suzuki color matched lower fairing - 464.99
Madstad 20 inch adjustable windshield (mounted on stock windshield) - 189.95
Seat redone with memory foam, optimized for upright touring position for passenger and rider
Givi E45N deatachable side cases - 334.00
Givi side mounting racks - 170.10
Givi E450 detachable top case with & brake light kit and back pad, - 211.50
Givi rear mounting rack - 142.20 (topcase moved back 2 inches so passenger can sit up / back)
SW-MOTECH Gascap Bottom Ring for Quick-Lock Tankbags - 14.40
Bags-Connection "Daypack II" Quick-Lock Tankbag - 79.90
Pilot Fork mounted Halogen accessory driving lights - 20.00 (created mounting brackets myself and saved a bundle)
HealTech Speedo Healer (makes speedometer adjustable to correct for built-in factory 8.5% over-read error and auto records top speed with button recall) - 114.99
GI-Pro gear position indicator with ATRE (automatic timing retard eliminator - eliminates factory setting that lowers torque in first and second gear) - 162.99
Barkbusters Storm Handguards (nice for bugs and on cold days) - 99.99
MFW Vario Extension Arm 50mm with MFW Vario Master Grip Pegs (makes leg room for passenger.) - 90.00
Kaoko Throttle Lock Cruise Control - 125.00
Gen-Mar Handlebar Risers (1" up and 1" back) 145.00
LED lighting kit (two red running in back, two yellow extra signals in back, switched blue under body accents, valve stem covers blue) - 78.00
Also flipped over rider pegs moving them down 1 inch.
Logged

_________________________________
Motorcycles keep me sane, not safe.
blackbird54
*

Reputation 0
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: cbr1100xx & st1100
Miles Typed: 57

My Photo Gallery




Ignore
« Reply #78 on: January 03, 2011, 11:42:48 pm »

This is a sweet looking machine.
It is hard for me to believe the same people make the Hayabusa! The Busa is just fugly next to this one.
Logged
Oxblood
*

Reputation 16
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2011 Triumph Sprint GT
GPS: Vancouver, BC
Miles Typed: 1090

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #79 on: January 07, 2011, 12:00:52 am »

I recently acquired a 2010 GSX 1250 SEA (Canadian "touring" model with ABS, side and top cases).  So far I am very pleased with it. I ride it daily as my commuter, and am getting reasonable mileage in stop and go traffic (45 mpg?). The motor is awesome. Buttery smooth, quiet, and the torque kicks in nice and low. No problem accelerating with this bike. HP at the variously rated 98 to 104 (depends on what review you are reading, though Dale Walker at Holeshot has dyno charts showing 104 at the rear wheel on a stock bike) is likely more than most will need.

Someone stated a new seat would be necessary. So far, I have found the stock seat to be quite comfortable. It sure is a lot better than my DL650's stock seat. During my commute, I have a small portion on freeway, and have dialed the bike up to 130kk/h, and the windscreen and fairing do a nice job of managing air. No buffeting that I could detect. Seating position was nice, and I can see this bike being very comfortable on long trips.

If you want to make it power mad, for about 700.00 you can get Holeshot's exhaust, and the Dobeck TFI tuner, remove the secondary butterflies, disable the PAIR and bypass the 02 sensor. Dale's dyno charts show 134hp with these rather inexpensive mods, and all of them can be done by the lay mechanic.

All in all, I think this is a fine bike, and if Suzuki would market it correctly, it would likely sell very well.
Logged
Jetpilot5
Junior Member
*

Reputation 22
Online Online

Motorcycles: 2016 BMW R1200RS
GPS: Bloomington, IL
Miles Typed: 1764

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #80 on: March 01, 2011, 04:00:49 pm »

The local dealer now has one of these in stock so I could check it out in person.  Overall, I like it.  Not the most high tech machine available but it has everything you would need to do some sporty touring.  It fits me well (I'm 6'2" with a 34 in inseam) and is a little more relaxed than the new Ninja 1000 but it's close.  It is physically bigger than the Ninja, but not nearly as big as an FJR or C-14.  Fairing and windscreen follow the same pattern with more than the Ninja but less than the FJR or C-14.  It seems to fit more in the middle, with the Ninja looking more like a hooligan bike in comparison and the Yamaha and C-14 being much more touring oriented.

Looks are subjective but I thought it looked good in solid black.  Sporty but not racy and I really liked the Suzuki better than the Ninja 1000 in that regard.  The abbreviated tail section on many of the newer bikes looks out of place to me.  Why have a real short rear seat and tail section just to have to add a huge plastic mud flap/rear plate bracket.  I also liked the round, but rather large, exhaust can compared to a lot of what I'm seeing on new bikes. The VFR1200 exhaust comes to mind.

The updated instruments look nice, an improvement from what the Bandit 1250 had.  Fit and finish was typical Suzuki, OK but not fantastic.  I guess you get what you pay for in that respect.  

Not much else really.  Proven powerplant, standard ABS, decent chassis and suspension.  I guess it's up to the buyer to determine if it's worth the money, especially with new leftover Bandits still available, but I was more impressed than I thought I would be.
Logged

Region 4 Meet 04, 05, 06, 07, 08 | CSTN 07 | ST.N National 08, 10, 12 | Region 4 Track Day 09
mountainmotor
*

Reputation 6
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: Fast one's
Miles Typed: 72

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #81 on: March 03, 2011, 03:15:54 pm »

I was hoping Suzuki would bring the new silver over " i forget the actual color name "

Good looking bike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YXGkure5Q4

Logged
Oxblood
*

Reputation 16
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2011 Triumph Sprint GT
GPS: Vancouver, BC
Miles Typed: 1090

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #82 on: March 13, 2011, 01:21:16 pm »

One of the complaints noted throughout this thread was price. So I decided to cobble together the prices for Canada for 2011 models mentioned here as alternatives to the GSX:

Honda St 1300 19,999.00
Yamaha Super Tenere 16,499.00
Kawai ZX 14 16,099.00
Kawi C14 20,199.00
Kawi Ninja 1000 13,699.00

2010 GSX 1250 in Canada (latest prices I could find on line, Suzuki Ca does not publish the MSRP anymore)
GSX1250FA : MSRP. $11,799
GSX1250SEA : MSRP. $13,299

Please not the Suzi prics are 2010, as Suzuki CA for some reason stopped displaying MSRP (prolly cause the dealers in bumphoque nowhere complained about MSRP being shown, making it hard for them to jack the price even higher).

Typically, I hvae noticed Suzzuki CA likes to add about 500 bucks a year to bike prices. That still puts the GSX in under 1000 less than the Kawi Ninja 1000. The other bikes are significantly more expensive. think of all the mods and farkles that could be thrown on tthe GSX with that extra money.

I have had mine since December. Git a good deal on the SEA (10,299 + tax, no PID). I ride it daily. I like it. Its predecessor was the DL650, which I really loved to ride, except for the top heaviness. Rapid braking could be hell on that bike. But it was still a nice ride. I like the GSX a lot more. It turns in faster, brakes a lot better (and I don't think that is solely due ti ABS), is easier to balance at low speeds, and overall feels more comfortable.

Given its price point, and its reliability (everyone knows the Bandit is bone reliable), and the fun you can have with it, I think Suzuki could sell a lot of these. Put some marketing behind it like they did with the V-Strom 650, and I am sure sales would be  healthy.

Now, for some eye candy. Here is my ride:



Logged
schmedly
*

Reputation 0
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2009 Suzuki Bandit 1250 S
GPS: Connecticut
Miles Typed: 13

My Photo Gallery


2009 Suzuki Bandit 1250 S




Ignore
« Reply #83 on: March 13, 2011, 01:38:07 pm »

Very Nice!
Logged

_________________________________
Motorcycles keep me sane, not safe.
Oxblood
*

Reputation 16
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2011 Triumph Sprint GT
GPS: Vancouver, BC
Miles Typed: 1090

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #84 on: March 13, 2011, 02:13:16 pm »


Very Nice!


Thank you. I quite like it. When I am done with it, it will be a slightly different beast. I plan on replacing the collectors and header to eliminate the cat converter, slap on a new exhaust, bypass the PAIR valve and O2 sensor, and drop in a Dobeck TFI box. Over on Holeshot performance's website, Dale has dyno charts of a similarly modified Bandit 1250S that averages 134bhp at the wheel, and 90+ ft lb for torque. Total cost of the mods are about 1500 bucks.
Logged
zrx4me
*

Reputation 0
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: bandit 1200s,DRZ400SM
GPS: winter springs,FL.
Miles Typed: 32

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #85 on: March 13, 2011, 03:21:47 pm »

I got to ride the GSX1250,ninja 1000 and the triumph sprint Gt over at bikeweek.The ninja 1000 has an awsome engine,but the bike feels like a full on sportbike with higher bars.My knees were really cramped and the seat slopes you foward into the tank.THis bike would not be good for longer rides and the passenger accomodations are not good at all.The suzuki was a really nice,smooth and comfortable bike,plenty of power(not like the kawi though)smooth and really comfortable.I like how it offers ABS and I like the gear indicator also.The only negative I had was the color black is just too dark and there's no contrasting frame or cover color.The black paint does look good out in the sun though because it has tiny blue metalflake in it.The sprint Gt was also a nice bike.Growly motor was very powerful and the seat is the most comfortable.The riding position is more agressive but,I was very comfortable on it.The bike handles better than the others and is extremely confidence inspiring in the corners and big sweepers.It is almost $2000 more than the suzuki,but it does come with big hard bags.the triumph also had a amazing paint finish and a real quality look to it.Depending on my finances,I would pick either the suzuki or the triumph.I just wasn't at all thrilled with the kawi.and for passengers,the suzuki or triumph look like they would be pretty good.
Logged

'05 suzuki bandit 1200s,07 DRZ400SM
JSPEED
*

Reputation 0
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2012 DL650EXPL2
GPS: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Miles Typed: 2

My Photo Gallery




Ignore
« Reply #86 on: April 14, 2015, 11:37:06 am »

Just picked up a leftover 2014 GSX1250SEA in white for $10,899.00, I'm coming off a 2012 DL650AEXPL2 and can't wait to try this mile eater.
Logged

Preparation prevents piss poor performance.
CheesyRider
*

Reputation 9
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2015 Honda Goldwing F6B, 2017 Kawasaki Versys-X 300
GPS: White Bear Lake, MN
Miles Typed: 250

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #87 on: April 14, 2015, 02:43:13 pm »


Just picked up a leftover 2014 GSX1250SEA in white for $10,899.00, I'm coming off a 2012 DL650AEXPL2 and can't wait to try this mile eater.

Congrats!
Now, two questions:
1) What country do you live in?
2) Where are the pics?
Logged
JSPEED
*

Reputation 0
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2012 DL650EXPL2
GPS: Halifax, Nova Scotia
Miles Typed: 2

My Photo Gallery




Ignore
« Reply #88 on: April 14, 2015, 10:13:29 pm »

I'm in Canada. No pics yet but will post some when I can.

I have a few accessories on order;

Alaska Leathers sheepskin butt pad
Oxford Premium heated grips
2014 DL1000 hand guard set
Suzuki fitted bag liners
Suzuki back pad for rear case

Soon ordering a Leo Vince SBK Evo II LV One exhaust also.
Logged

Preparation prevents piss poor performance.
CheesyRider
*

Reputation 9
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2015 Honda Goldwing F6B, 2017 Kawasaki Versys-X 300
GPS: White Bear Lake, MN
Miles Typed: 250

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #89 on: April 14, 2015, 10:33:12 pm »

I'm sure you'll love it.  I had a 2007 Bandit 1250 for a few years.  I should have kept it much longer and skipped getting the FJR I replaced it with.  That Suzuki 1250 is by far the smoothest running inline four I've ever experienced.
Logged
Oxblood
*

Reputation 16
Offline Offline

Motorcycles: 2011 Triumph Sprint GT
GPS: Vancouver, BC
Miles Typed: 1090

My Photo Gallery





Ignore
« Reply #90 on: June 29, 2015, 01:25:00 pm »


I'm in Canada. No pics yet but will post some when I can.

I have a few accessories on order;

Alaska Leathers sheepskin butt pad
Oxford Premium heated grips
2014 DL1000 hand guard set
Suzuki fitted bag liners
Suzuki back pad for rear case

Soon ordering a Leo Vince SBK Evo II LV One exhaust also.


Hope you love the ride. It is a great bike. As for exhaust, I run the Yosh RS3C. Sounds brilliant, weighs so much less than the stocker, and looks really sharp as well.
Logged
Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 [All]   Go Up
Print
Jump to:  



ST.N

Copyright © 2001 - 2013 Sport-Touring.Net.
All rights reserved.

 
SimplePortal 2.3.1 © 2008-2009, SimplePortal