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Question: What are the most overlooked and underrated bikes owned / used by STN Members? (PICK 3)
Aprilia Caponord - 27 (3.5%)
BMW K1100RS - 25 (3.3%)
Ducati ST3/4 - 76 (9.9%)
Honda NT700V - 47 (6.1%)
Honda ST1300 - 63 (8.2%)
KTM SM-T - 26 (3.4%)
Kawasaki Versys - 83 (10.8%)
Kawasaki ZZR1200 - 58 (7.6%)
Kawasaki GPZ1100 - 23 (3%)
Moto Guzzi Norge - 90 (11.7%)
Suzuki GS500F - 31 (4%)
Triumph Sprint RS - 65 (8.5%)
Yamaha FZ6R - 42 (5.5%)
Buell Ulysses - 56 (7.3%)
Other:  Write In Vote - 56 (7.3%)
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« on: October 21, 2010, 10:21:25 pm »

I would like to follow up this poll with another poll discussing the most overrated bikes.  But, I'm the kind of person who likes to save the best for last.   Bigsmile

The list above represents older and late model sport(y) touring models which don't seem to be discussed a whole heck of a lot on STN or I see very few owners of these bikes.  I believe we overlook some great machines and the more popular ones dominate most of the discussion.  

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« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2010, 10:29:00 pm »

For me, I voted for these three:

Ducati ST3/4 - quintessential sport-touring bike.  Nobody has done it better.  It's a shame Ducati doesn't make another one today.

KTM SM-T   -   Seems to be a lot of discussion and focus over the past few years about the Tiger and the new Multi.  I believe the SM-T is the perfect compromise between the two.

Triumph Sprint RS - partially naked triple with good ergos which can be had at a very reasonable price today.  I'm surprised more people aren't buying used RS's.  But then again, maybe the owners aren't selling.   Lol

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« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2010, 08:07:10 am »

Sprint RS - overlooked, under-rated, and now amazingly affordable.  One of my local dealers has one for $3500.

I voted KTM SMT as well, because there are so few owners.  But now I'm thinking maybe that is partially KTM's fault for getting rid of so many of their streetbike dealers.

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« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2010, 08:21:44 am »

Speed Triple.  The ratio of people who think it's a way cool bike and would like to own one to those who actually do is skewed.
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« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2010, 08:46:41 am »

I used to own a Sprint RS. Aside from the cheap suspension (easily fixed for $1000 - $1200) it was a fine bike. I bought it dirt cheap as a new/leftover with a big Triumph incentive on top. But it was basically a Sprint ST minus some plastic and the 955i Sprints get plenty of love here.

There are two KTM 990 SMTs collecting dust at my local dealer. Weird. I guess KTM has failed at grabbing mindshare for some of their bikes. The Adventure and SuperDuke are well-known, but the SM/SMR/SMT and RC8 don't seem to be on the regular Joe's radar screen.
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« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2010, 09:14:40 am »


I used to own a Sprint RS. Aside from the cheap suspension (easily fixed for $1000 - $1200) it was a fine bike. I bought it dirt cheap as a new/leftover with a big Triumph incentive on top. But it was basically a Sprint ST minus some plastic and the 955i Sprints get plenty of love here.

There are two KTM 990 SMTs collecting dust at my local dealer. Weird. I guess KTM has failed at grabbing mindshare for some of their bikes. The Adventure and SuperDuke are well-known, but the SM/SMR/SMT and RC8 don't seem to be on the regular Joe's radar screen.


I think that part of the reason is that the RC8 is priced up there with the Ducatis and Aprillias.
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« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2010, 10:38:20 am »

Triumph Sprint ST -  955i
I owned both an ST and RS and would say both were underrated.  Other than the SSSA and DSSA they were the same bike except for tupperware (frames were very slightly different).  At the same time VFR's were the best on the planet, MC ragsters were saying poor suspension, or some other lackluster comments.  New springs on my Sprint for $250 and could run off and hide from VFR's --- the triple was awesome.    The 1050's aren't bad either.
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« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2010, 05:01:04 pm »


Triumph Sprint ST -  955i
I owned both an ST and RS and would say both were underrated.  Other than the SSSA and DSSA they were the same bike except for tupperware (frames were very slightly different).  At the same time VFR's were the best on the planet, MC ragsters were saying poor suspension, or some other lackluster comments.  New springs on my Sprint for $250 and could run off and hide from VFR's --- the triple was awesome.    The 1050's aren't bad either.


Yep, I had no issue with the showa suspenders on my VFR and have felt the Sprint "wobble" mid corner on an older 955 triple.  That said, I hated VTEC and loved the triple motor.  It's a lot easier to upgrade the suspension on the Sprint than improve the motor on the VFR.
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« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2010, 05:47:07 pm »

Almost as comfortable as my old VFR (95) with just slightly lower clip ons, seat to pegs and reach to the bars is almost the same. Loads more power and a lot less weight. SPORT-tourer is the game.

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« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2010, 06:21:45 pm »


Sprint RS - overlooked, under-rated, and now amazingly affordable.  One of my local dealers has one for $3500.

I voted KTM SMT as well, because there are so few owners.  But now I'm thinking maybe that is partially KTM's fault for getting rid of so many of their streetbike dealers.




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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2010, 06:28:08 pm »

ZZR1200, of course.  It was never the fastest.  Nor the best handling.  Nor the prettiest.  But it does everything pretty well.  I keep looking for something sporty, reasonably quick, and well suited for 2-up.  Everything else comes up short in some category.  Usually 2-up capability.  Smaller & smaller is the trend these days.  At 4 or 5 times the cost, a C14 would probably be better, but not 4 or 5 times better.  Big ZZR's are so cheap now that if I trash mine, I can replace it for the cost of a couple of insurance payments on something new.
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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2010, 06:52:37 pm »


ZZR1200, of course.  It was never the fastest.  Nor the best handling.  Nor the prettiest.  But it does everything pretty well.  I keep looking for something sporty, reasonably quick, and well suited for 2-up.  Everything else comes up short in some category.  Usually 2-up capability.  Smaller & smaller is the trend these days.  At 4 or 5 times the cost, a C14 would probably be better, but not 4 or 5 times better.  Big ZZR's are so cheap now that if I trash mine, I can replace it for the cost of a couple of insurance payments on something new.

I voted for the bike as well. It's a wolf in sheeps clothing, and a sheep in wolf's clothing. That bike can do it all. Cool

If you disagree, you've never ridden one. Wink

BTW, to get the ball rollin', the Hyapusy is the most overrated bike by far. Bigsmile
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There are two KTM 990 SMTs collecting dust at my local dealer. Weird. I guess KTM has failed at grabbing mindshare for some of their bikes.

I think "The Long Way Round" might play a factor.

I suspect many new riders who want to be taken seriously as a RTW rider only has eyes for BMWs.
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Almost as comfortable as my old VFR (95) with just slightly lower clip ons, seat to pegs and reach to the bars is almost the same. Loads more power and a lot less weight. SPORT-tourer is the game.

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« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2010, 11:01:28 am »

I think the Ducati ST3 and ST4 are very overlooked.  I feel my ST3s is the pinnacle of the SPORT-touring world.  You don't here about many or see many but they have all day comfort, power, and weather protection.  I still can't think of another bike I would replace mine with.

I also voted for the 'other' category because I think the 'run watchya brung' bikes are often overlooked. Just about anything can be used.  A person doesn't need a bike that was categorized as a Sport-Tourer.  Most any sport bike or naked can be made to work.  I did about 12K of touring on my Z1000 before getting the Ducati.  I recently bumped into a guy on a Z1000 that had done over 50K touring on it.  Just shows that it's all about how fussy we get.
 
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« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2010, 11:08:26 am »

Versys, people have the brain washing that it has to be big in displacement to be good. Rolleyes
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There are two KTM 990 SMTs collecting dust at my local dealer. Weird. I guess KTM has failed at grabbing mindshare for some of their bikes. The Adventure and SuperDuke are well-known, but the SM/SMR/SMT and RC8 don't seem to be on the regular Joe's radar screen.
The rumor of leaking water pumps, bad fuel pumps being all too common, has turned me off. The need to fix that shit before I'd buy one. Yeah the engine/ suspension rocks , but I need frigging turn key , it don't break for that kind of money,even discounted.And too few dealers to be comfortable on a big road trip for me. Everyone I know who has a KTM did the fuel pump at least once and I know 3 with shit water pumps. Sorry unacceptable for a bike of that caliber
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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2010, 03:57:21 pm »

ST3 - I just sold mine and already miss it.  There is no replacement on the market, though the Ninja 1000 sounds promising (but it's an inline 4 Sad  )

Moto Guzzi Norge - I will be test riding one next season.  Beautiful shape, nice features, and plenty of deals can be had on them.  Not as comfortable or fast as a BMW RT, but like all other Guzzi models, there's just something that makes you want it.

Suzuki GS500F - this is kind of my wildcard pick.  It's not designed for either sport or touring; however it tours at a pretty low weight and (with modifications) can carry a good amount of luggage.  It's also a very economical and reliable choice, and there are a few members on this board who sport-tour with theirs, and I've been really impressed with their setups.
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Moto Guzzi Norge - I will be test riding one next season.  Beautiful shape, nice features, and plenty of deals can be had on them.  Not as comfortable or fast as a BMW RT, but like all other Guzzi models, there's just something that makes you want it.

Top speed isn't a good measuring stick in my book  Smile

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Top speed isn't a good measuring stick in my book  Smile

riding "The Pace" is all about riding a big 'ol wave of torque thru the twisties.



That's exactly what I look for in bikes.  But, I still want something that's a little racy too.  that's why the Uly never did it for me.  That bike hits the torque criteria well, but there's something about a Guzzi or Duc motor that gives you a little quicker revs.
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« Reply #20 on: October 24, 2010, 11:15:21 am »

Honda CG125. This bike can do anything and do it for a pittance. Easy to work on, yet pretty much bullet proof-which is why there are a trillion Chinese copies out there.
Honda C90. This machine got the World onto 2 wheels. It has also outsold everything else. For a very good reason.
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« Reply #21 on: October 24, 2010, 01:14:16 pm »

The Versys takes the lead.  That does not surprise me.  
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The list above represents older and late model sport(y) touring models which don't seem to be discussed a whole heck of a lot on STN or I see very few owners of these bikes.  I believe we overlook some great machines and the more popular ones dominate most of the discussion.  




I believe these owners are too busy mile munching to waste time chatting about how good their bikes are.

KTM Superduke.  Add some hard luggage space and you can knee drag across the country with ease.  The mechanical quirks just require a little extra maintenance but the Big 4 have yet to produce a bike anywhere close to the quality of KTM.

VFR.  It was also overlooked by its creator and sold as an overpriced budget bike.  
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2010, 10:00:32 am »

Ducati ST3/4 - quintessential sport-touring bike.  Nobody has done it better.  It's a shame Ducati doesn't make another one today.

KTM SM-T   -   Seems to be a lot of discussion and focus over the past few years about the Tiger and the new Multi.  I believe the SM-T is the perfect compromise between the two.

Triumph Sprint RS - partially naked triple with good ergos which can be had at a very reasonable price today.  I'm surprised more people aren't buying used RS's.  But then again, maybe the owners aren't selling.   Lol

Honorable Mentions:  Versys and Uly

I don't think the ST3/4 is underrated...  I think it's lack of popularity is due to maintenance history of pervious Ducatis and Ducatis dealer sparsity.
Ditto (with minor adjustments) for KTM and ULY.
Dealer support is a very valid consideration on a sport-touring purchase.
I had a Sprint RS.  I have (err had, one recently dropped Triumph) 2 dealers w/in an hour.  Got it used at a very good price and got a good trade-in; the BMW dealer also owned the other place that (then) carried Triumph.  If I could only have one bike, this is my first thought.  In Lucifer orange.

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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2010, 10:30:20 am »

I would personally love a Norge, but there just aren't any dealers close enough if I needed any warranty work done, and I'd be worried about the limited dealer network on a trip as well.  Otherwise, that is by far my favorite of the big ST bikes.
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« Reply #25 on: November 06, 2010, 01:05:20 am »

I think my bike (2005 Kawasaki Z750S) should be on that list, it is a very capable ST bike that is very underrated and overlooked.
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I voted Aprilia and Norge, but my write-in would be my Monster 695. On a six-day trip last summer it was nothing short of a hoot, even with a decent sidewind.  It got great mileage, adapted well to elevation changes and didn't overheat.  The motor ran really well for long stretches and the torque was very useable in undulating road conditons.  Thumbsup
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ZZR1200, of course.  It was never the fastest.  Nor the best handling.  Nor the prettiest.  But it does everything pretty well.  I keep looking for something sporty, reasonably quick, and well suited for 2-up.  Everything else comes up short in some category.  Usually 2-up capability.  Smaller & smaller is the trend these days.  At 4 or 5 times the cost, a C14 would probably be better, but not 4 or 5 times better.  Big ZZR's are so cheap now that if I trash mine, I can replace it for the cost of a couple of insurance payments on something new.


I should have voted for something else and just left this as our secret Smile

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« Reply #28 on: December 29, 2010, 08:33:19 pm »

Is it possible to "un-vote".  I meant to vote for Honda NT700V but hit ST1300?

I just got an NT700V.  More I ride the better I like it.  It may be underrated because it has only been here a year.  The "press" seems mixed wit comments like under powered, dull etc.  That said, I have already seen more than one reference to riders doing SS1000s, some more than one.  The bike seems more than able to run down the road all day at normal highway speeds without strain.

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I think my bike (2005 Kawasaki Z750S) should be on that list, it is a very capable ST bike that is very underrated and overlooked.


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« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2011, 10:59:20 pm »

Almost as comfortable as my old VFR (95) with just slightly lower clip ons, seat to pegs and reach to the bars is almost the same. Loads more power and a lot less weight. SPORT-tourer is the game.

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« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2011, 11:20:47 am »

Not surprisingly, I consider my bike to be one of the most underrated sport touring bikes.  The Triumph Tiger 955 is reliable, comfortable, and has plenty of performance.

I just rode 200 miles yesterday and could have easily done another 200.  The upright sitting posture helps on long days in the saddle.

The "adventure bike" label hurts its identification as a sport-touring bike, but on the Triumph forum it is very obvious that many Europeans tour the Continent on their Tigers.  

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« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2011, 01:59:33 pm »

Okay, since you all want BIG bikes:

Triumph Trophy 1200
BMW K100 series
Any large engined Guzzi. The older the better-like the Spada series.
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« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2012, 09:21:31 am »

BMW K1200RS  98'  Sport-touring...... able to haul what you need, at a HIGH rate of speed!!
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« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2012, 12:15:22 pm »

I was tempted to write in my bike, which is the perfect touring bike for me, but I fully realize that I'm broken in that way.   Lol
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« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2012, 01:23:30 pm »

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« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2012, 10:01:17 pm »

Day before yesterday I was idly reading this thread, taking a couple of notes, first time on the forum...

Today I own a Sprint 955 ST.

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« Reply #37 on: March 05, 2012, 10:32:03 pm »

aprilia Futura.  I was looking for one to keep the RSV-R company, but found a super clean ST3 and wanted something different from the bike I had.

I also liked the Norge and Sprint that I rode.

How about the Motus?  I saw it at Ferracci's when they were doing their cross country promo tour.  Looked very interesting.
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« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2012, 10:14:33 pm »

my write in would have to be the Honda superhawk 996. Currently have a 98 with  46000 miles and never had one issue.  still looks new
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« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2012, 10:23:13 pm »


my write in would have to be the Honda superhawk 996. Currently have a 98 with  46000 miles and never had one issue.  still looks new


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ZZR1200, of course.  It was never the fastest.  Nor the best handling.  Nor the prettiest.  But it does everything pretty well.  I keep looking for something sporty, reasonably quick, and well suited for 2-up.  Everything else comes up short in some category.  Usually 2-up capability.  Smaller & smaller is the trend these days.  At 4 or 5 times the cost, a C14 would probably be better, but not 4 or 5 times better.  Big ZZR's are so cheap now that if I trash mine, I can replace it for the cost of a couple of insurance payments on something new.



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« Reply #41 on: May 02, 2012, 09:53:27 pm »

I voted for my Versys. I don't hear a lot of people talking about them here. I guess they don't excel at "triple-digit sight-seeing". But they rock in the twisties, which is what everyone says they search out. I recently rode with a group of Concours 14s and stayed right with them because we were in winding back roads. Then, at the end of the ride, I didn't have to add gas to get home. Short wheelbase, light, upright, big tank equals a long day of fun. Has anyone else noticed that the motorcycle mags, after they talk about the latest Ducati to come out, have an article about some great scenic ride... and that guy is on a Versys.
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« Reply #42 on: May 03, 2012, 12:43:38 pm »

I picked FZ6R but meant FZ6.  If you want a lightweight sport touring mount the FZ6 is it inmy book.  50+ MPG depending on how fast you want to go and plenty of room and carrying capacity for all but the heavist of loads.  Engine has good midrange.

I went from a FJR1300 to a FZ6 and so far I've really been liking it.  

I don't care for the FZ6R.  Steel frame (weight), and lower shelf suspension and other bits than even the FZ6 had (and it didn't have the best stuff), all so they could put more plastic on it to make it appeal to the yougins who had to have a "sport bike".
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« Reply #43 on: May 07, 2012, 06:59:03 pm »

I'm on my second Vstrom 1000 and although its kind of vanilla compared to some others mentioned here, it fits me nice, and I can out run all cruisers and though I am behind, I can hang with my buddies on FZ1's through the corners.  Plus its nice for two up with luggage.  
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« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2012, 10:38:10 pm »

My write in is the Suzuki Bandit, any year. With minor mods it makes a pretty good touring mount.
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« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2013, 05:49:07 pm »

the suzuki katana 600 , its definately hated by many and underrated, but ive owned it for some time now and I take it to the track many times during the season in the advanced group and put the knee down in all corners, go on long 10-12 hour two up trips for several days , commute and what not.  its cheap to buy , cheap to maintain , cheap to insure , simple mechanics and it keeps up with many bikes. I am still the limiting factor on it  Shrug
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« Reply #47 on: March 16, 2013, 08:59:03 am »

my pick is the 95-96 gpz1100. rock solid bike and motor. super smooth motor is what kawi should have put in the c10 connie's. keeps up no problem with more modern machines. very comfy ergos and can be found cheap.
after that i would go with the first gen fz1 and fz6.
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my pick is the 95-96 gpz1100. rock solid bike and motor. super smooth motor is what kawi should have put in the c10 connie's. keeps up no problem with more modern machines. very comfy ergos and can be found cheap.
after that i would go with the first gen fz1 and fz6.

I remember your gpz1100 as a VERY, VERY nice bike.  It would definitely move.  There are a bunch of guys in the upstate of SC that ride gen 1 FZ1's.  Those guys fly, they just have to remember to stay on the asphalt and remain vertical Crazy.
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my pick is the 95-96 gpz1100. rock solid bike and motor. super smooth motor is what kawi should have put in the c10 connie's. keeps up no problem with more modern machines. very comfy ergos and can be found cheap.
after that i would go with the first gen fz1 and fz6.



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my pick is the 95-96 gpz1100. rock solid bike and motor. super smooth motor is what kawi should have put in the c10 connie's. keeps up no problem with more modern machines. very comfy ergos and can be found cheap.
after that i would go with the first gen fz1 and fz6.


Yes. My GPz was my intro into sport-touring and it was SMOOTH AS GLASS. I ended up moving to the FZ1 which I've really enjoyed. Faster, and better suspension, especially after some mods. Both great bikes at great prices.
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« Reply #51 on: April 27, 2013, 04:02:46 pm »

I will place a second write-in for the Trophy 1200
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« Reply #52 on: April 28, 2013, 10:30:43 am »


I will place a second write-in for the Trophy 1200


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« Reply #53 on: April 28, 2013, 01:27:15 pm »

Maybe when this was first posted, the Moto Guzzi Norge.  But now there's a small but devoted STN group with Norges.  Certainly if the question is, "the most underrated touring motorcycle on STN," then the Norge is not it.


I suggest the Honda VFR1200.  Because it's intended by Honda to be the exact bike for people like us.  And as far as I know, there is only one STN member who owns one.  Wow.  Did that miss the target or what?   Shrug  


Any STN thread that mentions the VFR1200 immediately seems to devolve into what it isn't or what it doesn't have (big tank, cheap price, cruise control, built-in stock ticker).  But in theory, we all wanted a bike like the VFR and Honda built it for sport touring.  And of course 98% of the people who bash it for what it isn't have never ridden one (which is not necessarly our fault; ever tried to get a test ride at a Honda dealer?).  I think all the folks with big water cooled BMW's, for instance, would love the VFR if they had the chance to ride it.


So I vote it 'Most Underrated."  
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Maybe when this was first posted, the Moto Guzzi Norge.  But now there's a small but devoted STN group with Norges.  Certainly if the question is, "the most underrated touring motorcycle on STN," then the Norge is not it.


I suggest the Honda VFR1200.  Because it's intended by Honda to be the exact bike for people like us.  And as far as I know, there is only one STN member who owns one.  Wow.  Did that miss the target or what?   Shrug  


Any STN thread that mentions the VFR1200 immediately seems to devolve into what it isn't or what it doesn't have (big tank, cheap price, cruise control, built-in stock ticker).  But in theory, we all wanted a bike like the VFR and Honda built it for sport touring.  And of course 98% of the people who bash it for what it isn't have never ridden one (which is not necessarly our fault; ever tried to get a test ride at a Honda dealer?).  I think all the folks with big water cooled BMW's, for instance, would love the VFR if they had the chance to ride it.


So I vote it 'Most Underrated."  

For oh so many years after it hit the beach, the various VFR's were the darlings of the West Coast MC Mag pundits.  When if finally slipped below the radar, Honda had to come up with something to fill the void.  IMO, the first VFR's were what a whole bunch of folks wanted.  Honda didn't figure that out, it just happened.  With the VFR1200 they built a bike that was designed to fit a group that Honda defined and it didn't work out as expected.  It may be a good bike but sure hasn't caught on with the STN crowd or motorcyclists in general.  I know I see way more Norge's out it the back roads than VFR1200's.  To be underrated, I guess a bike has to perform better than it gets credit for.  I don't know if it actually meets that criteria.
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« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2013, 03:07:40 pm »

2007 and up Bandit 1250....now called the GSX1250FA but it's still a Bandit 1250.

Silky SMOOOTH motor (less vibes than the old 1200's) Half Fairing 6 speed tranny, EFI, water cooled, a torque monster, it makes FULL 80ft lbs of torque at only 3,500RPM'S!!!!

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I would vote for the Kawasaki C10 Concours (Connie).  Reliable, fast enough, big gas tank, good mileage, lots of farkles available. Mine's a 2005.  
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