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« on: May 07, 2013, 07:55:30 pm »

Itching to pull the trigger on something new. I rarely buy new bikes but this time around I am going to. After weeks (months) of pondering different, models from different manufacturers I'm on the brink of pulling the trigger on a 2013 990 SM-T.  

It's almost to similar to my Gen1 FZ1 with it's upgraded suspension and brakes in someways, however it addresses one important aspect that I don't like about the Fizzer, and that's the unrelenting desire for twin cylinder style low RPM torque.  Drool

I'm not a complete stranger to KTMs and their various quirks,  any words of wisdom on this particular bike?  

What will I hate about it. Anything?

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« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2013, 08:00:45 pm »

Take a long demo ride and let your wood (or lack thereof) be your guide.
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« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2013, 08:02:33 pm »

It's going to have less torque at every point in the rev range than your FZ1.  


FZ-1:


Sm-T:
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« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2013, 08:23:30 pm »


It's going to have less torque at every point in the rev range than your FZ1.  


FZ-1:


Sm-T:



Interesting - I'll have to do some research on that.  Not sure how to interpret that dyno you posted. Torque must not have been corrected since it doesn't cross the HP curve where I would expect to see it.
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« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2013, 08:35:50 pm »

Were you expecting something other than 5250 RPMs?  Headscratch

Maybe you could go back and re-read the chapter on HP and torque.
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« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2013, 08:39:09 pm »


Were you expecting something other than 5250 RPMs?  Headscratch

Maybe you could go back and re-read the chapter on HP and torque.


Maybe I'm not seeing all the graphs?  Headscratch  I only see one graph and there is no cross over at 5250. Source may be blocked from my work.

Ah... Didn't realize there was a 2nd graph. Still can't see it though.

Only one I see is:

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« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2013, 08:43:51 pm »

Ahhh, my apologies, there is indeed a second graph
specific to the SMT.
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« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2013, 08:56:33 pm »

Yeah, but what does "sorted" RPM mean? The curves should always cross at 5250, right?

Big twins making big low RPM torque (just because they are twins) is a myth. Torque is a function of displacement and how the engine is tuned. I remember reading liter-class shootouts where the GSXR 1000 and/or ZX-10R made more torque everywhere than the Ducati 999 or Aprilia Mille.
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« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2013, 09:10:03 pm »


Yeah, but what does "sorted" RPM mean? The curves should always cross at 5250, right?

Big twins making big low RPM torque (just because they are twins) is a myth. Torque is a function of displacement and how the engine is tuned. I remember reading liter-class shootouts where the GSXR 1000 and/or ZX-10R made more torque everywhere than the Ducati 999 or Aprilia Mille.


Very true. But not a myth as much as tuning and design parameters. Twins are usually tuned to make torque sooner and sign off quicker than an inline4. A function of design and swinging big ass pistons compared to small ones.

The 990 develops peak torque at a published 7000rpm. That's a fairly low number unless compared to something like a Harley.  In the bit of digging I've done on dyno charts in the last few minutes I'm not sure how there is a chart showing an FZ1 with bigger numbers across the board, but so far I haven't found a back to back test so a comparison is hard to make. However the one constant I've seen so far is that the SM-T beats the FZ1 in HP & torque until well up in the RPMS.  
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« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2013, 09:16:59 pm »



In this particular dyno chart, the scale of HP does not equal the scale of TQ. Compare LHS scale and RHS scale


Irrelevant. HP and torque are calculated
from a formula using 5250 as a constant:
HP = torque x RPM / 5250.
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Irrelevant. HP and torque are calculated
from a formula using 5250 as a constant:
HP = torque x RPM / 5250.


You are correct. I deleted my post after looking at the graph again.  At first, I quickly glanced at the chart and saw the scales being unequal and assume that's why the plots didn't cross at the expected point.

It is possible to have the plots (lines) not cross at 5252 if the scales are unequal.  However you are correct that the math always works out to HP=TQ at 5252 RPM. 


My guess is either uncorrected numbers or TQ is in units of N-m
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My guess is either uncorrected numbers or TQ is in units of N-m


I think you're correct about the units being in Nm - either that or the particular motor in question was magical cause I've never heard of any FZ1 approaching 100Ft lbs of torque. Wink

Been searching more images. It does look like the Gen1 plays pretty close in torque numbers and  on the extremes of the charts the FZ1 did show better numbers across the board. I hate trying to compare different charts though because it's always apples and oranges. One chart showed a stock Gen1 having 136 hp. LOL.

Perhaps part of the difference in feel is the almost 100lbs less the SM-T is having to move compared to the FZ1.
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I think you're correct about the units being in Nm - either that or the particular motor in question was magical cause I've never heard of any FZ1 approaching 100Ft lbs of torque. Wink

Been searching more images. It does look like the Gen1 plays pretty close in torque numbers and  on the extremes of the charts the FZ1 did show better numbers across the board. I hate trying to compare different charts though because it's always apples and oranges. One chart showed a stock Gen1 having 136 hp. LOL.

Perhaps part of the difference in feel is the almost 100lbs less the SM-T is having to move compared to the FZ1.


My Gen II FZ1 was modded / tuned and dyno'd @ 146HP and 80 ft-lb (by the previous owner).  It is my understanding that those numbers are pretty commons with typical mods (exhaust, air box, PC, tune). I also don't put a lot if credence into the dyno numbers however. My bike runs great and that's good enough for me.

have also never heard of a Gen I or Gen II over 100 ft-lb.

My take is that the SM and FZ are completely different bikes, and will have a completely different feel. I would get a test ride if possible, and let the analysis from your butt dyno and smileage calculation determine the best path!

The SM looks wicked fun.
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« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2013, 10:56:08 pm »

I'm hoping for some pretty noticeable differences.

After thinking about it for a bit I think part of the difference in feel (and sound) and percived "torque" is due to having 1/2 the power pulses for a given rpm on a twin as opposed to a 4 cylinder for the same rpm. They don't sound as frantic when on them hard. This makes for a more guttural feel as well as sound. More polished than a thumper yet not the hi-freq vibe typically found on an inline4.

If I was racing I'd want in inline4. For cross county I'd want something big like a C14. But for grin factor that I can still put 300-400 miles a day on I'm thinking the SM-T may be the ticket.  Heck, I did at least a half a dozen 500+ mile days on my DR-Z before the toll on the body overcame the fun of it. I thought about the 690 mill for a bit but decided against it for those times when the day has come to a close and I've got more miles to put on to get home in a hurry. That's when the DR-Z would become totally unbearable. I'd put that joker away after a 500+ mile day and not want to even look at it for a week. LOL.
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I'm hoping for some pretty noticeable differences.

After thinking about it for a bit I think part of the difference in feel (and sound) and percived "torque" is due to having 1/2 the power pulses for a given rpm on a twin as opposed to a 4 cylinder for the same rpm. They don't sound as frantic when on them hard. This makes for a more guttural feel as well as sound. More polished than a thumper yet not the hi-freq vibe typically found on an inline4.




I think that's true.  Everyone believes that twins have more low-end torque, but for a given displacement it generally isn't true.  However, they do give a very different feel, and some people prefer the feel of one type of engine architecture over another.

I've had singles, twins, triples and inline fours and have liked them all when done well and been irritated in turn by those that were done poorly.  I would recommend taking the SM-T for a spin to see if it floats your boat.  If it does, buy it.  There really is no other valid yardstick.
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I think that's true.  Everyone believes that twins have more low-end torque, but for a given displacement it generally isn't true.  However, they do give a very different feel, and some people prefer the feel of one type of engine architecture over another.

I've had singles, twins, triples and inline fours and have liked them all when done well and been irritated in turn by those that were done poorly.  I would recommend taking the SM-T for a spin to see if it floats your boat.  If it does, buy it.  There really is no other valid yardstick.


So true! Smile

I loved the Triumph 1050 motor, wasn't as thrilled with the rest of the bike (Sprint). I have the Tiger 800XC on the radar still as a possible purchase largely because of my experiance with the 1050 triple.  The only twin I've put miles on was a SV650 which had a nice suspension under it. I thought it had plenty of umph for back road scratching and *almost* enough for the occasional dreaded slab run. Thumpers are great fun but high mileage days on either something like the DR-Z of KTM525 are in the past. 690 Duke was a contender for a minute but decided against it. I've had some decent sized inline4's, a FJR1300 and a C10. Comfy sofas, but the feeling of being "in them" rather than atop of them isn't quite as much fun.  The FZ1 has been a great bike once I put a good suspension under it. Just want something a little different.
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I think that's true.  Everyone believes that twins have more low-end torque, but for a given displacement it generally isn't true.


cf Panigale, a twin tuned for high-end, and giving up the mid-range torque. I think it's more correct to say MOST twins
are tuned for the low end, but there are similar 4s. (Bandit 1200, 1250 come to mind)

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 However, they do give a very different feel, and some people prefer the feel of one type of engine architecture over another.

I've had singles, twins, triples and inline fours and have liked them all when done well and been irritated in turn by those that were done poorly.  I would recommend taking the SM-T for a spin to see if it floats your boat.  If it does, buy it.  There really is no other valid yardstick.


I do like the 75 degree twin in the KTMs, and the light weight of the SM/SMR/SMT is a huge attraction, more so
than the engine. I had a 950SM that was incredible fun to ride, especially once I had a Renazco seat on it.

Shinobi13 on here has an SM-T that he traded a K1200S for; met him this weekend and the grin factor is
apparently (and, after my 950SM experience, unsurprisingly) wicked huge. 'Enough' power for road use,
wallops out of corners like a rocket, lightweight -- what's not to like?
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So true! Smile

I loved the Triumph 1050 motor, wasn't as thrilled with the rest of the bike (Sprint). I have the Tiger 800XC on the radar still as a possible purchase largely because of my experiance with the 1050 triple.  The only twin I've put miles on was a SV650 which had a nice suspension under it. I thought it had plenty of umph for back road scratching and *almost* enough for the occasional dreaded slab run. Thumpers are great fun but high mileage days on either something like the DR-Z of KTM525 are in the past. 690 Duke was a contender for a minute but decided against it. I've had some decent sized inline4's, a FJR1300 and a C10. Comfy sofas, but the feeling of being "in them" rather than atop of them isn't quite as much fun.  The FZ1 has been a great bike once I put a good suspension under it. Just want something a little different.


Funny; you and I have the exact same opinion on that Sprint. I did ride the Tiger 800, and I'd give it a whirl but I don't think it's going to have the on-road grin factor of the big SM.
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I do like the 75 degree twin in the KTMs, and the light weight of the SM/SMR/SMT is a huge attraction, more so
than the engine.




I guess we have different ideas of what constitutes light weight.  
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« Reply #19 on: May 08, 2013, 11:23:46 am »

I was a bit of a bike whore prior to getting my KTM 950 SMR and have been quite happy with it for 5+ seasons now (54K+ miles). That's saying something. And I don't feel a particular need to buy anything new although I would like a bit more power. The bike isn't fast, but it's fast enough.

That said, I suspect my bike isn't running great and a trip to the dyno to get real numbers might be worth doing. Maybe the jetting needs some tweaking for optimal performance.

As I said at the start of this thread, buy the bike that gives you wood. Test rides > spec sheets.
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I was a bit of a bike whore prior to getting my KTM 950 SMR and have been quite happy with it for 5+ seasons now (54K+ miles). That's saying something. And I don't feel a particular need to buy anything new although I would like a bit more power. The bike isn't fast, but it's fast enough.

That said, I suspect my bike isn't running great and a trip to the dyno to get real numbers might be worth doing. Maybe the jetting needs some tweaking for optimal performance.

As I said at the start of this thread, buy the bike that gives you wood. Test rides > spec sheets.


Yeah, Fast is something that I don't feel "too* much need for. Eye blurring acceleration into the triple digits is not a big factor.
I want enough power to do extended highway running when needed without feeling I'm straining the motor.
Enough umph to put a grin on my face exiting corners.
A nice holigan type growl never hurts... Wink
Good suspension.
Strong brakes.
Decent stability at speed, though it doesn't have to be heavy sport touring type of stability, just not quite as flighty as a 300lb thumper tends to get at 80 in a crosswind. Wink
Agile enough to change direction quickly when I want it to without feeling like I'm having to muscle the bike. (One of the few faults i have with the FZ1, can't hide 520+ lbs too well when you're changing directions in a hurry)
Good ground clearance for those times when I'm feeling froggy.
Enough leg room to spare the knees.
At least a wee bit of wind protection.
Just enough cargo hauling ability to throw in a pair of jeans, and extra shirt, and a bit of rain gear from time to time.

Hey, I ain't hard to please! LOL.
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I guess we have different ideas of what constitutes light weight.  


I came to it from a Sprint ST. Losing 100+ lbs made it 'light'. Yes, it's not Superbike light, or 690SM light -- but it's not a heavy bike in my estimation.

Now, YMMV!
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I came to it from a Sprint ST. Losing 100+ lbs made it 'light'. Yes, it's not Superbike light, or 690SM light -- but it's not a heavy bike in my estimation.

Now, YMMV!



The SM-T weighs 200 more pounds than my Husky supermoto...  now that is a light bike.
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« Reply #23 on: May 08, 2013, 02:06:52 pm »

right of first refusal when the fz hits the block?  Smile
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The SM-T weighs 200 more pounds than my Husky supermoto...  now that is a light bike.


Yes. That is a light bike. A very light bike, and an honest to god SM. The SM-T is still a big bike, with all that that entails.

For what it is, I still think it's light.
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right of first refusal when the fz hits the block?  Smile


Sure!

But you may be in for a wait.  I'm not pressed for storage space yet. Smile
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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2013, 05:28:30 pm »

Power delivery will be WAY different than the FZ1, regardless of how they look on paper.  Been riding my 1st Gen Tuono a lot lately, and its just a completely different animal (990 or 998 twin) than the inline 4 FZ1 (although I miss my old FZ1 too).

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Sure!

But you may be in for a wait.  I'm not pressed for storage space yet. Smile



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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2013, 10:16:54 am »

Being that you are a proficient and skilled rider, you will enjoy the refinements found on KTM's machines.  I love the Super Duke so much I had to get another just for the track.  Almost pulled the trigger on a SMT but that would require selling a beloved SD.  The new Adventure currently tops my list for next bike.

MFi in Woodbridge has a demo SMT if you need one to ride.
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Being that you are a proficient and skilled rider, you will enjoy the refinements found on KTM's machines.  I love the Super Duke so much I had to get another just for the track.  Almost pulled the trigger on a SMT but that would require selling a beloved SD.  The new Adventure currently tops my list for next bike.

MFi in Woodbridge has a demo SMT if you need one to ride.


Thanks! But it's too late.  I have an SM-T now sitting in my garage.  Bigsmile

The SD was a contender as well but I'm just now getting my license cleaned up.  Crazy

Now the real killer is I already had a trackday scheduled for Shenny on Sunday. I may not be able to resist...  and I already have two excuses worked out 1) I haven't had time to mount a new rear on the FZ1 (been too busy MC shopping).  2) The KTM needs heat cycling and varied RPMS as part of a good break-in. 20 minutes on 40 minutes off sounds about right. Hahaha.
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« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2013, 03:26:15 pm »

Mount the tire on the FZ1.  I don't see how you could feel comfortable whipping your new bike around the track at 9/10ths...although maybe you could.  Congrats either way.
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Isn't this why we ride high performance machines?  I don't think he bought it to sit in traffic or drone along the highway at 55mph...

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Dang, I was close to doing Shenny on Saturday, if I wasn't working Sunday...

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Isn't this why we ride high performance machines?  I don't think he bought it to sit in traffic or drone along the highway at 55mph...



Dang, I was close to doing Shenny on Saturday, if I wasn't working Sunday...

Congrats on the new ride.  Be sure to post pictures in the picture thread!  (Action shots from this weekend would be nice)


Not even broken in and going all out with it at the track? I'd be to worried about messing up my new bike. After I've had it for a while, sure. I've taken all my bikes to the track (except my 'recently  acquired 03 Tuono, which I bought specifically to do so this summer). I get it. Just, I wouldn't take my brand new baby to the track right out of the gates...

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« Reply #33 on: May 09, 2013, 04:40:23 pm »

Keep us posted on how you like the SM-T.  Looking at it but just did a slimey crud rud run this weekend on a rented Tiger 800 and was pretty impressed.

Side note, test rode Ducati's new hyperstrada and hated it.
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Mount the tire on the FZ1.  I don't see how you could feel comfortable whipping your new bike around the track at 9/10ths...although maybe you could.  Congrats either way.


Not saying bad things can't happen, they certainly can and do on both the track and the street.  However I've done quite a few trackdays so there is no intimidation factor. Just a nice place to go have some fun and get to know the bike in a controlled environment.   My main concern is to make sure I have time to crank out a 100 miles or so on the bike before hand to let any hot spots wear in a bit.  

I'm at the point in performance riding that I'm pretty familiar with my personal limits. Nothing to prove and I'm dang sure a Factory ride with MotoGP isn't in the cards, LOL. So for me a trackday is more about "Let's see how far I can push this particular bike and remain comfortable." rather than "Let's see if I can win trackday!" Smile
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Not saying bad things can't happen, they certainly can and do on both the track and the street.  However I've done quite a few trackdays so there is no intimidation factor. Just a nice place to go have some fun and get to know the bike in a controlled environment.   My main concern is to make sure I have time to crank out a 100 miles or so on the bike before hand to let any hot spots wear in a bit.  

I'm at the point in performance riding that I'm pretty familiar with my personal limits. Nothing to prove and I'm dang sure a Factory ride with MotoGP isn't in the cards, LOL. So for me a trackday is more about "Let's see how far I can push this particular bike and remain comfortable." rather than "Let's see if I can win trackday!" Smile


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« Reply #36 on: May 10, 2013, 10:56:48 am »

I wanted to break the RC8 in on the track -- sadly, it didn't happen.

I will admit that I was intimidated by taking the Mutley out there; our local track is small and tight and the combination of the cost of the bike, the conditions, and the weight in a tighter config made me really awkward on it.

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« Reply #37 on: May 10, 2013, 02:34:33 pm »

I'm really digging the SM-T and it would probably be a very strong contender for my next bike but a seat height of over 33"?!!  Dadgum!!  


Side note:  Bought a new Buell 1125R on a Tuesday.  Had it a Barber Motorsports Park that Saturday.  I don't think there's a better, safer way to familiarize oneself with a new ride.
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I'm really digging the SM-T and it would probably be a very strong contender for my next bike but a seat height of over 33"?!!  Dadgum!!  


Side note:  Bought a new Buell 1125R on a Tuesday.  Had it a Barber Motorsports Park that Saturday.  I don't think there's a better, safer way to familiarize oneself with a new ride.


Somehow I didn't manage to find the time to spoon a new rear tire on the FZ1 today. (Maybe because I was too busy having fun on local backroads with the KTM...)  Anyway, I think it's gonna be an all day affair with the KTM at the track on Sunday.  

To change the oil or not change the oil before Sunday is the main question in my mind at the moment. I've got about 200 miles on the bike now.

I've been told KTM does not use break-in oil and what's in it doesn't seem like break-in oil. KTM recommends full synthetic. But there is always talk about not going to synthetic too soon in the break-in process. I sure wouldn't want to run a trackday on break-in oil (and as I mentioned I don't think it's break-in oil in it. What I don't know is if it's synthetic in it now or dino oil.

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« Reply #39 on: May 10, 2013, 06:57:27 pm »

Change the oil and put on some sliders to insure that you will never need them!

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Change the oil and put on some sliders to insure that you will never need them!

Sounds like you are having some serious FUN these days- good for you.   Bigok


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Keep us posted on how you like the SM-T.  Looking at it but just did a slimey crud rud run this weekend on a rented Tiger 800 and was pretty impressed.

Side note, test rode Ducati's new hyperstrada and hated it.


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Seconded. I almost went to look at the new Duc but decided not to.
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« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2013, 12:03:08 am »

Well the KTM and I survived a trackday.  As RDoug mentioned the stock fueling/ignition map makes for a very twitchy throttle.  In the short 100 miles I'd ridden it on the street I thought it would not be an issue I couldn't work around, but in a track enviroment it meant I had to run at least one higher gear in the corners than I would have liked to have in order to soften the throttle response. It also demanded a lot of my attention throughout the day which when combined with a considerable amount of rust on my riding skills made for some piss poor lines and other issues.

But enough with the bad! The bike is a dream in all other respects. Great handling, suspension, & stability. Soooo easy to ride.

I had the camera mounted on the rear of the bike and the front facing video was pretty useless (and showed of my lazy form...) so I threw together a short vid from when I had the camera rear facing instead.

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« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2013, 12:07:53 pm »

Windblown,

Glad you pulled the trigger on the SMT.  As expatbrit posted earlier, the sh*t-eating grin I've had on my face hasn't gone away since I purchased my SMT last month.  I did put on some Leo Vince 8414's and remapped the ECU, so she's minorly uncorked and lost about 22 lbs of weight from the exhaust change.  The twitchy throttle does take some getting used to...  there are available throttle cams that will minimize that effect, however, I decided to try and change the smoothness of my throttle hand first... Wink  Hopefully that will translate to being smoother with my RC-51 on the track... Bigsmile

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It's going to have less torque at every point in the rev range than your FZ1.  


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I just wanted to throw out there how irritated I am by this post.  My SMT feels significantly more torque than an FZ1 unless you are ringing the hell of the FZ1 motor.  Dyno may tell a different story but seat of the pants is all that matters and I almost reconsidered buying an SMT remembering what a dog the FZ1 is below 5K. JMHO
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I just wanted to throw out there how irritated I am by this post.  My SMT feels significantly more torque than an FZ1 unless you are ringing the hell of the FZ1 motor.  Dyno may tell a different story but seat of the pants is all that matters and I almost reconsidered buying an SMT remembering what a dog the FZ1 is below 5K. JMHO


Seat of the pants is all that really matters unless you've got money on the line. It also helps that the KTM is 100lbs lighter than the Gen1 FZ1.  I never notice the KTM feeling weak on the street, lot's of pull everywhere.

The vid I posted above was on a fairly tight track and I wasn't having any trouble keeping sport bikes with like skilled riders at bay even though I wasn't pushing my luck (The bike only had 100 miles on the ODO at the time). Since then I've run it at a more open track and found that on longer straights it's not quite as fast as it feels like it is once you're well into triple digits.  It matters not though. It's a brilliant bike that I can ride all day long, and damn near perfect for what I bought it to do.
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« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2014, 10:12:12 pm »

I demo'd a dust colored SMT at MFI last week.  Perfect bike.  I still love the sportier feel of a Super Duke and the touring capability of my VFR, but if I had to have just one bike, the SMT would be it.  ABS takes the fun out of it though...
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ABS takes the fun out of it though...


Yeah, you can turn off the ABS but it resets when you turn the bike off back to the default, which is on.  It would be so cool to be able to turn it on or off on the fly with a simple switch. Some folks splice a toggle switch into the line to keep it turned off without having to go through the disable process during each start up.
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I know this is digging up the past but how have your SMT's been?  It's a bike that is on my short list to try.  I demoed one and I was underwhelmed by it.  Maybe it was just that unit.  Are the valve checks really every 9500 miles???
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I just wanted to throw out there how irritated I am by this post.  My SMT feels significantly more torque than an FZ1 unless you are ringing the hell of the FZ1 motor.  Dyno may tell a different story but seat of the pants is all that matters and I almost reconsidered buying an SMT remembering what a dog the FZ1 is below 5K. JMHO



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I know this is digging up the past but how have your SMT's been?  It's a bike that is on my short list to try.  I demoed one and I was underwhelmed by it.  Maybe it was just that unit.  Are the valve checks really every 9500 miles???


I sold it recently. Miss it from time to time.  It was an exceptionally fun bike to ride but between a few niggles inherent in the 990 design and my evolving riding habits it no longer fit my desires as well as it once had. It's spot in the stable has been taken by a less exciting but more capable  multi-surface all-arounder - a Triumph 800 XC.
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I sold it recently. Miss it from time to time.  It was an exceptionally fun bike to ride but between a few niggles inherent in the 990 design and my evolving riding habits it no longer fit my desires as well as it once had. It's spot in the stable has been taken by a less exciting but more capable  multi-surface all-arounder - a Triumph 800 XC.


I already rode with it lol.  That was one of my friends who bought it.  The SMT presence is strong in the RVA, there's 5 of us now with them.
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I know this is digging up the past but how have your SMT's been?  It's a bike that is on my short list to try.  I demoed one and I was underwhelmed by it.  Maybe it was just that unit.  Are the valve checks really every 9500 miles???


Underwhelmed??  Mine wheelies almost overwhelmingly lol.  

The pair we got last year has been great.  I've personally put over 15k on it since March bringing the odometer to just over 32k.  Wife's SMT is about the same.  The gear position seal has started to weep oil occasionally, leaving a puddle in the garage from time to time but it's a $2 O ring I'll swap out next oil change.  Otherwise they've been great and we've added SW Motech boxes and done a lot of camping.

I can't say I've heard of a 990 that required valve adjustment prior to 30k miles, valve checks are supposed to be at 18k I think.
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I already rode with it lol.  That was one of my friends who bought it.  The SMT presence is strong in the RVA, there's 5 of us now with them.


Hope your friend enjoys it. 5 in your group now? Dang. Y'all going to have to come up with a patch! LOL.
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Underwhelmed??  Mine wheelies almost overwhelmingly lol.  

The pair we got last year has been great.  I've personally put over 15k on it since March bringing the odometer to just over 32k.  Wife's SMT is about the same.  The gear position seal has started to weep oil occasionally, leaving a puddle in the garage from time to time but it's a $2 O ring I'll swap out next oil change.  Otherwise they've been great and we've added SW Motech boxes and done a lot of camping.

I can't say I've heard of a 990 that required valve adjustment prior to 30k miles, valve checks are supposed to be at 18k I think.


I know it was amazing that I thought it was so tame, base on dyno charts and what people say about it I should have been foaming at the mouth for it.  Alas they are still out of my price range so maybe the next bike after this one they will be in my range.  I still love the white and black ones  Drool.  I was surprised to read the 9500 mile valve check but that can't be right, its not a Desmo heh.
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